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How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?

Just assuming  'self-powered-overunity-devices'  may actually function .

Everyone knows that 'self-powered-overunity-devices' exist, are easy to build, and have been around since approximately the late 1800's .

I'm one of the .001% of the population who did not know of their existence until I worked out how some them would work and posted it, some of these concepts had occurred to me a long time before the www-internet existed .

And yet almost everyone everywhere suppresses their existence .

What about times in the last 100 years when you'd think these devices would have been used, why weren't they .


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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2018, 07:42:45 AM »
Ta strona jest uważana za bardzo pouczającą, ale chciałbym wiedzieć, czy te dane zostaną usunięte i dlaczego.

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2018, 01:27:09 PM »
There is a Nobel prize Award given to an U.S. scientist ,"OU" related, not in Physics but in Chemistry !

A-symetrie
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Millions of people worldwide are using photoelectric devices, but do they all/ several of them understand the physical process in-/ on-side this transforming device ?
The conversion from photoelectric DC to household AC appliances by an DC/AC inverter/ transformer ?
110/115V or 220/230 V or 330/380V alternating current output ? dis-/advantages ?

Is it for a conventional user a need to understand his practizising ? If he/ she/(it) is not a technician, engineer, physician ?
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Is the photovoltaic cell not in microstructure a " transistor circuit" array ? How many circuits per sqcm ?Are they coupled in parallel or seriell arrangement, for higher Voltage or higher Amperage ?-------------------------------------

Is beyond Photoelectric devices not now the thermoelectric device the next industrial step ?Are all light/ energy spectrum emission converting Graphene arrays with up to 80% conversion efficiency the nonplusultra ?-------------------------------------
Or cheap copper/ aluminium foil arrays ?-------------------------------------
Or ink- transistor circuit- dots, paintable ?-------------------------------------


Which kind of " suppression" : to bring the transformer device to market or to bring the device cheaply to market ?
But is the use of this device scientificially tested , probably the main and byeffect analog the MRA/MRI/Radar experience ?
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Kyoto "- 80% from 1990-2050" is gas emission related, Paris " holding 2°C temperature increase up to 2100" total energy/ motion/thermic emission related :We are worldwide in the social transformation from the "2000Watt-Gesellschaft/society" to the "1000Watt-Gesellschaft/society", Watt per hour consume, per day = x 24 sourced by " in situ"- generator and e-storage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-watt_society
1998vision : only 2000 Watt ? Yes,  but per capita and per hour and based by https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_energy and here important THE PRIMARY ENERGY FACTOR !It is an industry-political factor, not a really scientifical factor.
                                     
For example : one transformed KVAh solar/ wind energy has : grid feeded a PER 1,0 and self-consumed PER 0,0=
zero energy ( theoretical because zero strict PE related);

Climate related energetic question :
So if I use/ consume thousands/ an Estate  population billions of " zero energy- KVAh " does this not influence the local temperature and the PARIS: 2°Cmax convention target ?


What is a Solar Passive house ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_solar_building_design
I could answer : a construction alike the house realized by the greek Sokrates.the prototype https://slideplayer.org/slide/883780/2/images/10/%C2%ABSolarhaus-Konzeption%C2%BB+von+Sokrates.jpg

modern definition : a construction which only needs 10 Wattpeak per sqm living area, but 10 Wattpeak primary energy

                            THE ELECTRIC SOLAR PASSIVE HOUSE
base: 10 Wattpeak primary energy per sqm and hour :
I take the Imris Induction heater with C.O.P. over 10 ~ 100 Wattpeak per sqm/hour heat energy by 10 Wp PE input.
f.e.: an uninsulated house with 80 sqm floor area= 8000 Wattp heat consume per hour " green PER" energy

I take the Imris Induction heater and couple the Imris C.O.P. 10 generator with ~ 1000 Wattpeak per sqm/ hour heat energy by 10Wp PE input.
f.e.: an uninsulated house with 80 sqm floor area = 80000( eigthy thousand) Wattp heat consume per  hour " green PER" energy

I think and conclude : Tanaka Saburo DC/AC inverter with C.O.P. 5 ( beginning small ! )
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160929&CC=JP&NR=2016174482A&KC=A
 and energetic sourced by an " artificial solar cell chamber" ,
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=29720160&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
 DC output as inverter input, with high efficient bulbs and solar cell efficiency enhancing coating = total chamber C.O.P. 8 and the bulbs controled
 http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A2&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=2012065719&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
 and sourced from a battery and the controler device = C.O.P. 2,5
                                                   
  ergo  5( inverter) x 8( artifial light chamber)x 2,5 = 100 as cascaded C.O.P Accelerator Power Factor                             
          100 X 10 Wattpeak PRIMARY ENERGY UNITS per sqm = 1000 Watt electricity units potential / sqm/ hour
            as energetic source for         
            a.  IR- Emissor ( only body heating !? Object heating ? Room temperature ?) C.O.P ?
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202008006432&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

       or  b.  heat pump C.O.P.  ?       
       or  c.  Induction heater C.O.P. ?

The price/costs to modernize an old house energetically by technical devices to " Solar Passive Standart" is financial  90% up to 95% less expensive than covering  the house with 10-15 centimeter bride plasticfoam insulation.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sancal.de%2Fbuecher-zum-thema-gesundes-bauen-und-heizen%2F

Why are work process C.O.P. greater 1 possible ? Cause recycling , in photo-/thermovoltaic "recombination" called.
And through resonance devices !
And by simple conclusion : http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mi.html
if there are two kinds of acceleration by the same time there has to be two different charge kinds !
positive charge and negative charge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb%27s_law
« Last Edit: December 26, 2018, 09:22:10 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2018, 12:48:46 PM »
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Everyone knows that 'self-powered-overunity-devices' exist, are easy to build, and have been around since approximately the late 1800's .
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Hilarous.  ;D   For the sake of the poster, I'll consider it ironic.

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2018, 12:58:31 PM »
Hilarous.  ;D   For the sake of the poster, I'll consider it ironic.

I wish you were just a little bit smarter than that, just a little bit!

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2018, 04:15:43 PM »
I wish you were just a little bit smarter than that, just a little bit!
Have you finally studied "U=RI"?

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2018, 09:06:25 AM »
Have you finally studied "U=RI"?

U  R  N O T  V E R Y  S M A R T  BECAUSE R IS USELESS > 2MHz when it is wire wound.

Hi Void

Yes,turns out these !so called! non inductive resisters become quite inductive after 2MHz-ok below that.

Swapping it out for a 1/2 watt carbon resistor made all the magical OU disappear  :D


Brad

You should be able to do better than this if you wish to make headway!

Do better next time, alright!

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2018, 09:19:37 AM »
How does suppression work today?

Small Energy Companies are formed, work with community leaders and small groups in the community, stopping the small guys, sucking up un-educated inventors that strike the jackpot first turn, tie them up in legal agreements to the cows come home, company goes belly up, agreements still stand, inventor has nothing and can not talk about it at all because of NDA's.

How does suppression work, the un-educated fools working for these small companies are unknowingly the problem.

Half the problem is psychological, meaning, if you have no idea, led to believe you're doing the right thing, legally, then you get a pat on the back. Sheeple!

How does suppression work? Its right under your nose and its all legal loop holes, small groups here names you know, all working, some unknowingly, some knowingly, to subvert the flow of information, to stop those getting close by padlocking their voice.

Open your eyes, look at the relationships of those here!

Open your eyes, study those before us!

Money, Greed and Legal Agreements with Organised Business Failures at the right time, tied in with small groups of people, planted, having a purpose, are how it works!

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2018, 06:47:43 AM »
 F.Y.I. 

============  copy/paste from a recent SAEC EEG Project Proposal paper ============= 

ALTERNATE ENERGY DEVELOPMENT - TIME FOR A PARADYNE CHANGE   

For the last 100 years or so we have pursued new polution free energy sources. Recent solar, wind and
tide generation have developed to a great extent but the utopia has yet to be reached. Each of these
schemes have their drawbacks and linitations - weather and distribution being the most significant
drawbacks.

2019 is poised to see a significant paradyne shift in alternate energy discovery. A number of "self running"
electronic excess energy generators have been demonstrated over the last few years and our initial
research of these devices shows great promise. Replicating one such device to a point where the self
running claims were varified in the laboratory; however the device was unstable.

While attempting to mitigate the stability problem, it was quickly realized that without fully understanding
the operational theory; mitigating this anomaly with any degree of confidence was simply not possible.
We needed to know how this device technically functioned. We would have to better understand the theory.

After discussing a wide variety of the possible operational mechanisms of this device with a number of
learned scientists and engineers; that is, those that would even risk discussing the subject of excess energy,
there were many possibilities but nothing conclusive. This meant, we would have to develop this theory
ourselves, from scratch. Thus began our search to find the best way to do it. 

Recent capabilities in the areas of worldwide networking and Computer Aided Engineering (CAE) have
reached a level where it is now possible to employ skilled energy developers throught the world by linking
them all together to collectively engineer solutions through the use of a coordinated, modern, analysis and
simulation engineering tool set. 

By bringing these individuals together through an intera-networked platform, with coordinated goals backed
by state-of-the-art design capabilities, will significantly reduce the time to market of viable polution free
systems.

One primary component involves communications and organization. Again, CAE is the key to leveraging
existing advanced alternate energy individual knowledge bases found worldwide. Utilizing the CAE program's
built-in server, application files, documentation, information data base and web based development; a single
CAE platform provides an powerful, integrated, networked environment anytime, anywhere. 

Engineers, Scientists and Technologists share a common set of tools, while also being provided
up-to-the-minute design knowledge and technilogical development status; allowing a truely team focus
on the design, development, simulation, optimization, test, and manufacturing tasks. This unique architecture
also allows intra and inter net matrixing which provides any combination of cluster sharing, compilers,
servers, remote access or stand alone workstation capabilities.

Since the CAE developer serves a variety of industries and customer applications; they provide training,
support and other general information thus allowing the development team to fully concentrate on their
design and not be plagued with any technical or security issues.

An initial goal is to concieve and field viable systems that can easily integrate with existing industrial and
household appliances as well as transport platforms with low to moderate power requirements. Distributed
CAE is one of the key facilitators allowing designers to work together from concept through final product in
one environment.

Much of the fundamental non polluting excess energy generation "knowledge base" is, as yet, non existant.
This presents a very unique challenge; that is, finding people with a rather sophisticated set of skills. A mix of
in-depth conventional expertise combined with a strong desire to excplore beyond the limits without fear
while still maintaining pragmatic insight and determination. A rare combination indeed. Several "search"
ideas are presented in a seperate section. 

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It is suggested that a search for individuals with an "excess energy" knowledge base might be found in selective
pockets such as alternate energy forums and other discussion groups. This step should first involve a study of
several current Forum group discussions, or threads, in an effort to determine if there is, in fact, a resource worth
exploring; and, if so, how best to integrate this "knowledge base" into a CAE focused development program.

Of prime importance are any individuals with the unique target skills and abilities. These might be identified by
reviewing that persons posting contributions over a period a time. 

The next question is to how best to formulate and promote incentives while still maintaining individuality and
creativity. Since this is an “Open Source” GNU type initiative, consider carefully the conflict of intellectual property
conpensation versus a collective, shared team, environment. 

A Caution: Human nature, being what it is, starts off open and freely-giving initially; however things change
quickly when, over time, there becomes “a real something of value” involved. Evaluate with extreme care; if
any hint of doubt surfaces, note it and move on. 

First, however, a review of several Energy related Forums should be conducted and their contributions, if any,
be evaluated and analyzed. 
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FORUM:  "overunity.com"  ----- several months study of most active Threads and individual contributers.
Recommendation:    NO FURTHER ACTION BE TAKEN.   Observations and Notes attached.  (Appendix H) 
=======================================================================

FIN   
 

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Re: How does overunity 'suppression' work if everyone knows about it ?
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2018, 10:47:58 AM »
Problems hide in the lazyness of people to try something, as well as in the people who claim up front that something shown by another builder can not possibly work for x and y reasons.
There is also an issue with very dedicated builders who have all of the necessary hardware, but who do not know what to build or are working on things that will never work.
Then there are attention seekers for example like BRUC_TPU who have nothing to offer but are looking to stroke their ego's.
Followers should be quick in verification of the proposed method and move on quickly when no positive result has been found.
It helps when the proposed experiments are of a simple nature and the steps to a positive result are presented in a step by step fashion with an endpoint a positive outcome.
The Bit tube can help, because the most promising technique would receive the most donations, but this is still hypothetical, because it could be well the case that charlatans like BRUCE_TPU find ways to inspire followers with fake protocols, caution has to be taken.
As a footnote i can assure everybody here that the positive results, when they surface,will be simple and they can be build, and the technique verified by using simple house hold items.
Cheap prototypes can be build by virtually anyone who wants to give it a go, and when the group of followers grows, development will speed up.
The early prototypes will be mechanical, and about least resistance and very small overhead output, but they will be of utmost importance to have the followers see with there own eyes.
That event is critical, and without it the examiner will move on.
After that stage the mechanical parts will be removed, and the development of the real, more powerful solid state models will surface.
The mechanical prototypes will still be made but merely as a desktop gadget or toy that shows the basic effect.
What happens after that is unknown, There can be build generator buildings that will power the already in place distribution networks, or some company would have to revolutionize the current situation by mass production of stand alone units, prepare for some resistance in that case. 

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2018, 01:56:37 PM »
" Problems hide in the lazyness of people to try something, ....""
Problems hide in the crazyness of people to do something,..."a1. un-/ a2 limited ! b1. un-/ b2. limited ?
                        Over-conume,Under-consume,Right-consume( fixed or variable !? WHY and WHEN by WHOM !?
How much/many is allowed by nature ethics,physics and political laws and their orders and by own actio/reactio experience ?
                          Minimum,Pessimum,Medium,Optimum,Maximum consume standart per capita                                                                                                          ,  global, local, personal own ,
                          Minimum,Pessimum,Medium,Optimum,Maximum power generation per capita

Are the  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-watt_society  energetic numbers - per capita and hour -to seen as " must" or " personal minimum wish" as first step ? " energetic fingerprint "
Has the "autonomous engine" to be in the MW,KW or Watt scale ,portable(?),by fixed output or variable output by fix consumer load or variable consumer load ?
Is his lifestyle "stoneage" or " modern living" lifestyle : http://mtbest.net/
Prof. Bo Adamson view and philosophy related " low-e construction" ,somewhere traditional ,not architectural new , since centuries:  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house
Is the "horse power"definition by internal combustion engine cars performance definition wrong,better torque in Newto*meter measurement,  following this standpoint :

http://www.engineair.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18&Itemid=12
How many KWp for electric car drives( with step down transmission ?), clearly velocity-max. and car weight dependant ?!
100% efficiency= O% lost,  total exergy and anergy recycle, 
beside matter/materie to energy restore surplus energy in matter/materie
What is the actual KWh- electricity generation "fair value" which each end consumer worldwide has in his availability ?10 US$cents,5US$cents,down to 1 US$cent per Kilowatt-hour by actual physics lab standart !?
What is the value from each initiator/investor NDA or device-patent/utility model application when the generation price of this device is not under 1US$cent/KWh : education, research&development investment : zero worth !
BE OLYMPIC,EUGENICAL: IT IS THE TAKING PART THAT COUNTS IN LIFE  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2018, 04:54:50 PM »
If your in the 2000 Watt society, you are clearly in the wrong place.
The resulting excess energy output of the first prototype will barely light an LED.
But it's a start.

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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2018, 06:17:58 PM »
Turbo, we all are in the "2000Watt society"- vision project, this is part from the European Union Nearly Zero then Net Zero and final  "Zero Energy"-society program !
From decentral ( consumer center view)  network=grid power plants to local, in situ, own home  power generators =off grid ! Included in the program is the decrease from Wattpeak/-average demand from energy converting devices ! We all makes active  part from the international Kyoto, Kobenhaven, Paris convention contract targets and life and habits changing evolution.
Some ideas ( I am not member or in comercial interests with them)
http://mtbest.net/   http://mtbest.net/energy_efficiency.html
                                      above the last paragraph < 0,8 KWh per day electricity : capita per household ?

https://www.tamera.org/

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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2018, 06:31:50 PM »
I was referring to the excess energy produced by device.
Not even 'OU' but 'free energy' none the less.
It's a long way between lighting an LED and a 2 KiloWatt generator.
It involves small steps, one LED, two LED's ten LED's a hundred LED's and so on.
Not 1 LED <-> 2 KiloWatt.
People who talk in KiloWatts can be skipped immediately.
Those numbers are just too large.
Remember Volta and his first 1,5 Volt Cell.

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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2018, 06:48:31 PM »
Turbo, you define that there would be a need about a 2000Watt/2KW generator, neither I nor the Paul-Scherer-Institute write or wrote anything same ! 2000 Watt per hour and for each consumer worldwide means the primary energy consume  for a " global balanced energy industrial society"( independant if real consense or seen this by overpopulation in consense).
2000 Watt , too much ? Comparison : 25 bicycle- wheel generator biker generating 80 average Watt/hour
 and this 24/365 per capita.The alimentation for this 25 bikers is more costly than the development from a unbonded energy converter, with human-necessities free permant work potential and with only 1/1000 space volume need.
See the calculation of this "2000Watt": house  500W/ transport 500W/       more industry related: 1000W

Taking the mtbest/Chalko 800 Wh electricity consume per day number and dividing this  by 24 and 2 consumer :800/24/2=                             
                   "17Watt Chalko society vision" ( okay more solar heat et cet.)  and this only for the home part
                                    How small the "Lorentz-Force converter" can become ?
E(relativ)= m( from M1-M2) * cv2. Which Halbwert( decay)-Zeit if v not c , how many % near c the frequency ?How accumulate vectorial and scalarial acceleration or vectorial and scalarial decelerating ?
Partial "turbonetics" included, expression from D. Thomas Cosby ( r.i.p.)

 

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