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Author Topic: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.  (Read 82634 times)

rakarskiy

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #120 on: November 20, 2021, 02:28:04 PM »
"I hope your employer reads your nonsense" says the fellow who has made the calculation to be 0.163Nm. That is about 23 oz.in. Similar to the rated torque of the motor shown here: https://www.ricmotor.com/details/rs-997ph
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What's bothering you? make your calculation, the conditions are higher.  ;)

My calculation is here: http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_ld/0/40_COP_1_motot_gen.pdf

Slide by link: http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_fr/0/8389356.jpg

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #121 on: November 20, 2021, 03:40:50 PM »
What's bothering you? make your calculation, the conditions are higher.  ;)

My calculation is here: http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_ld/0/40_COP_1_motot_gen.pdf

Slide by link: http://rakarskiy.narod.ru/_fr/0/8389356.jpg

Obviously we are on different planets. Your most simple design of dynamo capable of 0.163Nm has 104 poles and a rotor diameter of 350mm by 500mm long. For the same capability I can buy this off the shelf.
https://www.ricmotor.com/details/rs-997ph
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rakarskiy

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #122 on: November 20, 2021, 08:06:08 PM »
bistander, if you can squeeze 1 kW out of this engine, then why all this cheese board. I thought you were an expert  ;)

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #123 on: November 20, 2021, 09:29:41 PM »
bistander, if you can squeeze 1 kW out of this engine, then why all this cheese board. I thought you were an expert  ;)

The electromagnetic torque capability is the determining factor  of the dynamo. If as your design exercise indicates, 0.163 Nm is the electromagnetic torque of your machine, it indicates poor material utilization, which you even mentioned..
I don't know cheese board, but have knowledge and experience with electric machinery and energy conversion. I only spoke up here because I see you selling BS. I'm not buying it and don't think others should either. Similar to my run-in with Turion. You make an extraordinary claim (1kw out / 14w in), prove it.
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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #124 on: November 21, 2021, 07:51:21 AM »
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I only spoke up here because I see you selling BS.
And how, in this case, can perpetum mobile be done?
Let Mr. Rakarsky be wrong with his idea, fig with him.
We did, we didn't succeed either. Do you know how to do it?
I need this. I really, really need ...

rakarskiy

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #125 on: November 21, 2021, 04:43:00 PM »
The electromagnetic torque capability is the determining factor  of the dynamo. If as your design exercise indicates, 0.163 Nm is the electromagnetic torque of your machine, it indicates poor material utilization, which you even mentioned..
I don't know cheese board, but have knowledge and experience with electric machinery and energy conversion. I only spoke up here because I see you selling BS. I'm not buying it and don't think others should either. Similar to my run-in with Turion. You make an extraordinary claim (1kw out / 14w in), prove it.
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Smart ass (joke), my Russian friends are still more experts. I don't argue with talkers. There are also those among Russians who claim that I am incorrectly applying the magnetic induction index to the ampere force modulus.  I say that the use of this module when calculating the electromagnetic moment of the generator is unacceptable. The reason is that the electromagnetic moment is exorbitant. But if the machine is reversible into an electric motor, the motor goes beyond the Singularity, and this cannot be.

We conducted an experiment and I was able to correct the formula of the magnetic induction of the wire  B=(μ₀*I*w)/(2πr). The gap should be denoted as its absence r = 0.0001 m.

In any case, there are a lot of things that are not freely available in the literature. My method is still relevant, but it has become more expensive to implement.


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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #126 on: November 21, 2021, 04:59:43 PM »
Has anyone been able to construct a self-propelled mechanical device?

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« Reply #127 on: November 21, 2021, 05:24:51 PM »
Mr. Rakarskiy,
My suggestion. Obtain motor shown in my post. Test it. Analyze it. Measure components. Apply your formula using its parts. Compare your calculations to published performance. Then realize your mistake.
Yes, I have done this, many times over career. Published formulae always correlate when properly applied.
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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #128 on: November 21, 2021, 09:31:25 PM »
As always, the more visual materials, the better. What kind of module, magnetic induction, to use in the Ampere force calculation formula!

And so, here is this video, also the simplest generator
https://youtu.be/ox3DukiDiuQ

He will take the initial data:

The magnetic induction from the pole of the magnet, in the area of the wire, will be taken as 0.4 Tesla.

The current in the circuit is calculated from the name "50W Generator"
In America, the mains voltage is 120 V, a total of 50/120 = 0.42 A; the number of turns is 2000; the angular rotation speed is 500 rpm; the length of the magnet pole face is 60 mm, as a result, the length of the active coil probe is 60 mm * 2 = 120 mm; the diameter of the rotor is 40 mm.
The results of calculations in two columns of the table (attachment),
the first - with the calculation of magnetic induction depending on the voltage in the wire,
the second - with magnetic induction from the magnet Bm = 0.4 Tesla

I hope it's clear that if we apply the classics, then all generators will be a superblock of a similar configuration!  ;)

P.S. let there be small inaccuracies in diameter, current or magnetic induction from a magnet, but the gap between the result is just reality. A wire with a current forms its magnetic intensity vector and enters into magnetic confrontation with the intensity of the external magnetic field. This principle is observed in engines and generators. And the ability to make calculations correctly is professionalism and technology.  Therefore, I am not asserting, but investigating. In any case, the constant in electric machines of equality of electrical and mechanical power is not fulfilled. The law of conservation of energy in this node cannot be applied. Engineering creativity decides everything.
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rakarskiy

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #129 on: November 22, 2021, 09:14:56 AM »
Mr. Rakarskiy,
My suggestion. Obtain motor shown in my post. Test it. Analyze it. Measure components. Apply your formula using its parts. Compare your calculations to published performance. Then realize your mistake.
Yes, I have done this, many times over career. Published formulae always correlate when properly applied.
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So how's your career going? Maybe you will still make your calculation, otherwise the aptitude test, you have not passed

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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #130 on: November 22, 2021, 10:32:57 AM »
You have not done as I suggested. Compare your calculations to tested performance. Also let us see your [1 kw out / 14 w in] dynamo in action. Prove these calculations and claims you make are true. My career is just fine. I prove my work to my boss. I am not selling to public using false claims and garbage calculations. You need to prove what you say or public will see that you cannot. I need to prove nothing. Millions of electric motors and generators operate according to principles of conventional established science and physics which I endorse.
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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #131 on: November 22, 2021, 11:05:10 AM »
You have not done as I suggested. Compare your calculations to tested performance. Also let us see your [1 kw out / 14 w in] dynamo in action. Prove these calculations and claims you make are true. My career is just fine. I prove my work to my boss. I am not selling to public using false claims and garbage calculations. You need to prove what you say or public will see that you cannot. I need to prove nothing. Millions of electric motors and generators operate according to principles of conventional established science and physics which I endorse.
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And why did you decide that I would do as the adherents of the system suggest to me?  At the same time, in real machines that I design, the efficiency coefficient is no more than 2-3, but this is enough for the adherents of the system to be on the street.
 
There are still interesting topics that are in the public domain, and you silence them, for example, the motor generator of Carl Latmmer (Australia) in 1983 and 1986.

https://overunity.com/18075/self-poweredgenerators-motors-part-34/msg527893/topicseen/#new
https://overunity.com/18068/self-powered-generators-motors-part-33/msg527809/topicseen/#new

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The output power of this generator is 240 VAC at approximately 30 A or 7.2 kW at 2000 rpm. The required power on the shaft (12) is approximately 600 watts.

But Google has only one patent and no information  :)
https://patents.google.com/patent/AU5389086A/en?oq=AU53890%2f86

I think it won't be difficult for you, as a professional, to calculate the effectiveness of the conversion?  ;) :)


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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #132 on: November 22, 2021, 11:57:20 AM »
I made a suggestion that would help you learn or realize that your calculation methods do not work, by using an existing dynamo economically available of about the same EM torque as the one you designed. You choose to play with a YouTube toy. Fine. Build it, test it and verify your calculations. That'd be interesting.
I silence no person. I simply challenge BS when I see it being sold using false claims and lies. Prove me wrong, please.
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Re: The book is dedicated to self-propelled mechanical generating devices.
« Reply #133 on: November 22, 2021, 12:27:32 PM »
I made a suggestion that would help you learn or realize that your calculation methods do not work, by using an existing dynamo economically available of about the same EM torque as the one you designed. You choose to play with a YouTube toy. Fine. Build it, test it and verify your calculations. That'd be interesting.
I silence no person. I simply challenge BS when I see it being sold using false claims and lies. Prove me wrong, please.
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Your skin will peel off soon!

Can't you refute my calculations with an elementary calculation?  What if I'm wrong? You have such an opportunity to prove it to me and everyone else
You are not the only one who doubts, the seeker even conducted an experiment for me to prove that I am wrong.
https://youtu.be/MWLZ07jm8aQ as a result, without realizing it, he only gave me the opportunity to correct my calculations. Now my calculation is very close to ideal. The guy intended to conduct a second experiment to prove the correctness of the Ampere module from an external magnetic flux, but he is silent, probably his puzzles did not come together.
 
By the way, I will correct the calculations in the article, Everything remains in the same spirit, but the generator is planned to be made even better, although not with such a bright efficiency, only - 2


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« Reply #134 on: November 22, 2021, 02:50:44 PM »
@ Mr. Rakarskiy

First, I wish you success in your free energy explorations.

Second, it is up to you (the presenter) to prove or show experimentally
any O.U. results you might claim. 

Third, It is not up to others (i.e. bistander) to disprove O.U. claims.  It is reasonable
that the burden of proof rest upon any claimant of what is extra ordinary, to demonstrate
and CLEARLY AND PLAINLY describe their method or device,

and

to show measurements along with the methods of how those measurements were taken.

 best wishes
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