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Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2006, 11:32:52 AM »
Another idea of how it could work...

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2006, 11:36:14 AM »
OOOOoooops!

Pendulums on wrong axis...
I'm too tired to fix tonight but I hope you guys get the idea.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2006, 10:36:27 AM »
ok fixed it guys!

The idea is:
If the outer track that the ball rolls on has a tiny bit wiggle to it so it can lean the pendulums can keep the ball always rolling down hill. The ball rolling down hill gathers momentum and it uses this extra energy to push the pendulum to its starting drop point. What do you guys think? Does this idea of mine hold more water then the electro static propulsion concept?

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2006, 10:53:01 AM »
i see. very nice. makes sense to me!

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2006, 12:50:00 PM »
can i put my 2 cents worth in here ..

gulp .. here goes ..

no fancy smancy science here ,,,

if there is one locked location in the system of a device being promoted, then that is where the focus for where equilibrium will begin to manifest itself .. its very simple and you can analyse any system on this simple observational criterium.

Ask yourselves this .. what is a river.

How do i make a river .. (it is not perpetual motion but it certainly makes the potential for a lot of energy)

Sorry .. its friday and i have had a few good reds and not too clear of mind here but thought i might throw it out there,,,

Burpp .. love you all .. be good to each other and the ones you love

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Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2006, 01:08:18 PM »
Dean I like your posts...
You're analytical and you're not a sheep by any standard.

Don't mind the trash talkers in the thread of TPU doom, but I just wanted to make it clear to you that I think we've lost enough useful members to that thread already.

Don't ever change,
~Dingus

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2006, 05:37:52 AM »
Vectortan I agree with you. In short, without switching a Perm magent on/off by some easy means, Or in other words, a way to controll a magnetic field, without outside power input, You will never gain unity.
I consider magenetism and gravity the same for practicle purposes. And without gaining something free in the process, input will never be less than or equall to output.
My opinion is, set aside gravity and magnetic powered devices, without some mechanical switch to operate a magnet, you are chasing tails.

On a positive note, rather than create the magnetic or grivity device, create a device that controlls or changes a magnetic field...the device must change a magnetic field with no friction ,no power( very minimal power), and or verry little mechanical energy required.
Do this and you change the world, and all these magnetic and gravity devices will work.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2006, 07:07:51 AM »
Heres my input on this,

This , has all the same magnet sizes, since i have read about ''MAGNET'' Motors not haveing the same sizes or strengths,

well that toy but some reason can't post the link, it has magnets all the same sizes,yet you talk about it slowing down!

Have you attempted a smaller/big magnet approach like with the magnet motors, yet this is a different design but the way it is, the same with magnet motors with round backbones.

Prehaps smaller flux, since the magnets look spaced out,and those are points where it slows down.

And a river and weather system is perpetual motion well to put it in this lauguage all though it is messed up by global warming.

Heres a nother one, wtf makes the planet keep spinning, can you tell me this, if there was a way to understand, how the planet spins, then that would be used as a magnet motor.

And if it is under-unity,then why has the universe been around for so long?

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2007, 04:23:25 AM »
Looks to me to be more like a fancy "grandfathers clock".  Instead of moving the hands of the clock, it's moving a ball using a pendulum effect, hence why it eventually runs down.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2007, 08:56:38 PM »
I also believe it's a kind of a clock. All three pendulums are excited by the steel ball, and all pendulums are tuned equal. I believe if this device had only two pendulums, it wouldn't work.
When trying to make a perpetual motion, one have to overcome a small time delay which is allways stopping a perpetual motion. To overcome this delay you have to phase shift actions in the device more than 180O, and by so excite different items in the device in advance - this is ofcourse impossible without adding energy.
 In Finsrud's device, the steel ball seems to excite >120O ahead the pendulums all the time, but by exciting them <240O late, instead of <180O late. The magnets are therefor forced to work on the ball more in one direction than oposite direction. I believe this is the key to sustain perpetual motion.
I did contact him once, because I believed the device was powered by a heavy leaden weight (In the top middle of the device), where a supporting spring gradually went downwards, and then exciting the whole machine. The pendulums are heavy, and have very little loss. Hence the machine is going slow, almost lossyless (High Q - oposite of my nick ;)), by adding a tiny portion of energy - a leaden weight and gravity - and of course will work for many years before one have to wind it up again.
Mr. Finsrud confirmed that this was not right. So I believe it is working in other ways Maybe the way I described. I don't know.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2007, 06:38:36 AM »
  Hello, I?m not sure how far your discussion on Finsrud's device has gone, but I wanted to post how I believe his device is at least partially working.  I will go back, though, and read through the discussions.
  It appears that Finsrud's device (for convenience here is video link again: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553061720631716456&hl=en ) partially works on this principle of low to high, high to low (etc.), magnetic fields and inertia discussed in a topic I started here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1958.0.html ).  Basically using a magnetic wave pattern.
  Seems the inertia created when the ball is attracted by the magnet  (coupled with the weight of the ball, which prevents the magnet from holding it as it goes by) is enough to get the ball to the low (weak) magnetic field of the next magnet--thus starting the process over again.  The ball than kicking the pendulum to keep it going.
  This is what I was hoping to accomplish with an alternating magnet wave design in a circular track. 


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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2007, 08:05:52 PM »
Finsrud's contruction is a genius and acurat design. But in my opinion it is not a "perpetuum mobile" in classical sense (to be used as a effective energy generator). It uses earth rotation (-spin), called coriolis power, through its swinging pendulums. this is a very impressive construction. But may be it will not work near equator and sourt/north-poles of the earth, because the swinging axis do not get additional power there. place it at equator and tell if it is working there!? Magnets are only used to adjust the balls weight at the point rolling over the springs. the three pendulums arranged in a equal sided triangle summarizing the power out of earth rotation spin and store power actualy not used by the ball. this means the pendulums deliver the energy but also work as a capacitor for energy to middle up and downs. a thing like "foucault pendulum", i think. as it could be read in the following links or others, the spin-resulting-energy doesn't not occur at equator and/or NorthPole/SouthPole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2007, 01:33:15 AM »
Great site!, this forum I mean.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2007, 01:48:56 PM »
  Hello, I?m not sure how far your discussion on Finsrud's device has gone, but I wanted to post how I believe his device is at least partially working.  I will go back, though, and read through the discussions.
  It appears that Finsrud's device (for convenience here is video link again: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553061720631716456&hl=en ) partially works on this principle of low to high, high to low (etc.), magnetic fields and inertia discussed in a topic I started here (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1958.0.html ).  Basically using a magnetic wave pattern.
  Seems the inertia created when the ball is attracted by the magnet  (coupled with the weight of the ball, which prevents the magnet from holding it as it goes by) is enough to get the ball to the low (weak) magnetic field of the next magnet--thus starting the process over again.  The ball than kicking the pendulum to keep it going.
  This is what I was hoping to accomplish with an alternating magnet wave design in a circular track. 


best regards,
gr

Maybe you're right. If you drop a iron ball close to a magnet, the magnet will encreas the acceleration while approaching, and reduce the acceleration after it has passed the magnet. Not only that. The magnet will also alter the iron balls path. Maybe this is the extra energy is used to make Finsruds machine work?

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