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Offline sypherios

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2005, 03:46:52 PM »
I saw the Finsrud machine on TV last night. I was quite suprised..! The machine was filmed for 3 days and it operated continuisly. It is said to have a efficiency of 90%.WOW.
who needs OU? 90% is great.


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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2005, 08:49:03 PM »
On which channel was it in which country ?
Did you record it onto Tape ( DVD) ?

If yes, could you please post a video of it ?
Well, 90 % is wrong, what should be the input ???
Just the kick, when it is started ?
This machine has  a few 1000 % efficiency , not 90 %.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2005, 12:17:07 AM »
I saw it in Canada I do have it on my Personal video recorder. I dont kno how to make it into a comp vid yet. But for you Stephan I will try.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2006, 05:38:20 PM »
To answer the question of how does it work, I can see similarities between Finsruds' device and some of the scupture done by George Rickey, an American Kinetic artist just recently passed away.

Rickey's principles of motion in his self moving scuptures relies on the action of compound pendulums, and I think that Finsrud has coupled this motion with the activity of what is termed a "Schulyer Pendulum".

A Schulyer pendulum is a pendulum whose period corresponds to a length that equals the diameter of the Earth. They are created by precisely balancing weights on a vertical bar.

Great idea for artwork, but not a practical source of energy!

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2006, 01:23:57 AM »
Bonsoir

I have a Norvegian K7 vid. about Reidar Finsrud.
This guy is a  total  genius (while not  claiming being so).

Please stop  thinking of 90% or  90,9  or 99,9 or  99.999 and so on... efficiency.
That is fearful skeptical gobbledegooks.

Harti_Berlin is right.
The efficiency of this device is far more than 100%.

Best

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2006, 02:02:17 AM »
I saw it in Canada I do have it on my Personal video recorder. I dont kno how to make it into a comp vid yet. But for you Stephan I will try.

Sincerly Sypherios

Please try it and post it over here !
many thanks.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2006, 07:14:29 PM »

I have viewed the video and looked at the pictures and I believe I know why this device really works.
 ;D

Read these links for the secret...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Electric_Bell
http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/history.asp?page=Exhibit1
http://www.sparkmuseum.com/PERPMO.HTM

Note that the track and ball insulated from the center cylinder assembly and the placement of charging stations along the path. The balls momentum over assisting arms powers the pendulums (requires very little power if timed correctly) and the high voltage charging maintains the balls momentum. The magnets only helps to pull the ball over the pendulum assisting arms and the balls momentum and static charge help it escape the magnets sticky point. While the magent and pendulum sets are essentially useless (just for show), its still a captivating feat of engineering.

Even if this is not how the device works this is a way of creating a similar experiment and generate the same results. Altho if I was planning to experiment with this I would scrap the expensive magnets and over complicated pendulum sets and instead just allow the ring track a loose 2?-4? wobble. You should be able to see the same behavior from the steel ball on a ring track with a multi dry pile configuration. happy experimenting!

Hope this post was helpful... I dont mean to totally discredit this device too quickly, but I do know its possible to replicate with adaptations of very old technology.

While it does appear to be a very clever trick done with electrostatic it is still rather remarkable piece of engineering to see operate.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2006, 10:41:20 AM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=553061720631716456

i think it is just a clever way to get the ball passed the sticky spot/point. see the horse shoe magnet? as the ball gets attracted to the steel spring rod between the track it moves closer to the horse shoe and moves down becuase of the ball's weight and at the same time removes the spicky spot/point and the balls runs right through passed the shoe with momentum. just my opinion, what do you guys think?
« Last Edit: November 13, 2006, 11:04:12 AM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2006, 08:29:08 AM »
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3078131163857744253

40 min video of device operation. Close examination of components.

@Free
The red horseshoes are magnets, but the red cylinders attached to the top assembly are negative static
collectors grounded to the dry pile in the tall base. See more about my theory of operation a few posts up.

@Everyone
To try and replicate the effects cheaply you need a power supply that can put out 3000+V @ .000001 mA.
Any voltage 4 digits or more will work but you can only get a few nanoampere from most known drycells.
Simply positively charge a metal track with the positive and then ground the metal collector. I also know of
a way to build homemade drycells, if anyone is interested in replicating a 1000V+ solid state battery.

This same form of static E propultion was used in the 1800's to build *perpetual* pendulums. *300+ years*
The added static energy helps maintain the charged objects entrance velocity, but the attraction to each
collector stops the instant the electrons escape in your grounded collector. Interesting stuff but not as much potential as the SMOT or TOMI devices.

~Dingus

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2006, 05:14:28 PM »
 Dingus heres one of my origninal posts short context.

 " A few years ago the gentleman who did the write up and pictures on Don Adsitts site was here in Ontario.
   He was here to see David Hamiel  and I was very fortunate that he also took some time and stayed with us . His visit to
 Reidar's place was one of the topics we covered.   Johns conversation with Reidar highlighted the fact that the machine ran more
 on probablility than on energy{ sort of  like Douglas Adams probability drive } , which translated lightly means that the chance of it
 coming to rest relied on the probability that everthing synchroniised to slow it down. It operated more on instability than a source
  of energy.   I'll be starting with the chaos penduluum  first, then branching out. It may not look like his machine when it is done
 because my focus is on the chaos, and further if it does end up looking like his machine then it will be because the principle led
 me in that direction."


   The probability is the part that Reidar emphasized when speaking with John Paisley. It is an easily missed
 concept because physics trys not to emphasize chaos,,, focussing more on finding order. See where this
 leads you. I doubt static electricity would move the ball, and yes I have worked on static electricity motors.
  You can't have any friction as well as watching out for moisture and grounding. Seeing as all of his machine
   is grounded to itself then not much chance of static working.
 

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2006, 11:50:02 PM »
Here is a nice toy, that you can use to study the Finsrud device.

The placed magnets at the bottom are placed this way, that
the pendulum almost never comes to a stop.

Try it yourself, maybe you will find a setup, so the,
pendulum never stops:


Finsrud Pendulum toy, click here

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2006, 08:42:32 AM »
I was looking at the finsrud website and it's interesting that he uses pendulums, levers, magnets and an oscillating ramp, and everyone seems to dismiss one part or another as unimportant. What if there not? I think he's using a cascade type reaction- as finsrud say's -in order for the machine to stop all of the systems must align. That is the pendulum, the ramp and the magnet system must all be at one point for the system to stop- Why not analyse a system based on what would make it stop rather than what makes it go? I see a huge difference in this perspective, only because no one seems to consider it.
Here's a thought- if each system (pendulum,ramp,magnet)would get stuck once every 10 cycles, but there are three systems out of phase then the odds of of stopping go way down. The only determining factor is do you generate enough energy to reset the system when it sticks?.

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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2006, 09:13:11 AM »
I am all with you on that mark AC .. equilibrium is our enemy.


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Re: Finsrud perpetual motion machine
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2006, 11:09:56 AM »
I would say a cylinder magnet above a metal ball rolling on a non restrictive track would stop the machine over time since it would clearly rob the ball of velocity or simply pick it up right off the track. Please test this if you have the means to replicate or if anyone could suggest what kind of magnet it is and the radius of the ball I will buy parts and test it. I would also assume that the arms that attach the penulum and horse shoe magnet to the lever extended through the track would also slow the ball as the pendulum lost energy to gravity. The ball would then have to supply energy to the pendulums to keep them swinging. The horse shoe magnet if in proximity to the ball would attract it and pull the ball over the arm that moves the magnet and pendulum, but its not just moving the magnet its pulling it away from a object its attracted to thus nulling any momentum it added to the ball by adding resistance to the assisting arm. Basicly each component would seem to be a loss. This is why I find this device so interesting. If its not static propultion than I can oly assume the track has a tiny ammount of give and the pendulums keep a cycle that causes the track to have a rotating low point determined by the location of the ball. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

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