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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2018, 11:13:27 PM »

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2018, 11:30:51 PM »
If it's going to run inside a sealed enclosure won't the warm liquid cause enough humidity for not to run because it won't evaporate? Would you need to apply heat or just ambient temperature difference between the "head" and "belly" is enough to run on its own?

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2018, 02:32:25 PM »

Something like the minto wheel?
Yes, it is the same sort of principle. They are heat engines.

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2018, 05:17:43 PM »
So is a rubber band stretch it and it heats up, contract it to its original size and it can cool less than room temperature.
Make a wheel and use rubber bands instead of spokes and focus a hot bulb on one point in the rotation and it will start to rotate, it's just a gimmick like the bird

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2019, 11:02:05 PM »
I guess we will never know how tinman did it. Oh well, moving on.  :-\

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2019, 09:03:21 AM »
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I guess we will never know how tinman did it. Oh well, moving on.

There is always option B.

Many times I look at something I don't understand and it can be disappointing when I finally realize the solution. I think this is true because not knowing opens up an unknown number of possible solutions while being told the solution implies there is only one.

On the notion of concepts... the lowly drinking bird relies on the concept of evaporation producing a change in temperature producing an internal change in pressure and a displacement of a volume of fluid performing work. Now a person could look at this and say so what however it is a working concept which could evolve. A man named Victor Schauberger imagined such things, that we could take a simple concept and expand it, evolve it to such a point that it becomes unrecognizable to those that see it. To take a simple drinking bird and mate that concept with a jet engine forcing the process of evaporation and the cooling effect associated with it to occur hundreds of times faster at absurd volumes producing practical amounts of power in the Kw range.

Understand the first internal combustion engines could barely produce ten horsepower, weighed 1000 pounds and were the size of your truck. Today I can hold a ten horsepower RC engine in the palm of my hand which weighs a pound or two running at upwards of 60,000 RPM. Thus any given technology is never what it appears to be to others ... it is how far we can take it.

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Re: The Drinking Bird Challenge
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2019, 06:04:52 PM »
Now a person could look at this and say so what however it is a working concept which could evolve.
Absolutely correct, in my view.

What is brilliant about this idea, which  goes back to the 1880s, is the idea of overbalancing causing the tube coming out of the liquid and the speed of descent so large that the rate of turn doesn't matter much.

A simple scale up seems a good first move. Dichloromethane is available on Ebay in 5l lots very cheaply. A highly heat conductive head is not so easy to find.

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