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Author Topic: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine  (Read 22613 times)

Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2005, 07:17:32 PM »
 I've been afraid of the Non Disclosure Agreement with its heavy handed suppression of synergy. However, I think a lot of work can be done with a reasonable amount of discretion to prepare demonstration devices. Therefore, manufacturers can be brought into the preparations with a near normal amount of industrial coordination. The deviation from being entirely normal is that the diode array is so good that it will make a lot of unforeseeable improvements everywhere. Anyway, Lets  be open to the possibility that manufacturers can invest in the diode array to have a part of it in their future. This means that high quality ice cube making demonstration equipment can be built by the manufacturers investing in the show.  This further means that we can have perpetual flashlights, clocks, and other affordable, easily prepared small things sold at the demonstration parks to reasonably open minded people looking for new things in the world.  Furthermore, there will be visionaries that accept it by their sensitive means.

Next sales people need good prototypes for their mission. If they have long range vehicles and equipment to settle anywhere in the world and know that other sales people also have similar means as a general social policy, they will go forth and sell with mutual self discipline.

Aloha, Charlie

atomiverse

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2005, 11:56:08 PM »
Paul:
I doubt the machine has to get cold to "run" on ambient heat, though that would be mighty fine. It's not going to be all that robust an energy source unless it can, eh? I've long wondered why one cannot/doesn't "cascade" peltier circuits around a shel like an onion?

Charlie:
I was thinking of infrared sources in general, but that sounds nifty all irght. If that refers to my post, thanks, I'm honored.

Maybe Google Answers can help me out on rich guys who're decent human beings.


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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2005, 12:20:20 AM »
Paul:
I doubt the machine has to get cold to "run" on ambient heat, though that would be mighty fine. It's not going to be all that robust an energy source unless it can, eh? I've long wondered why one cannot/doesn't "cascade" peltier circuits around a shel like an onion?

Dear atomiverse,

You don't understand.? In such machines the cold comes from the fact that such a machine is moving energy from the magnetic material to the appliance.? It's not a matter of if the machine has to be cold.? It's simply a side affect, and a good one at that.

You can read more about my research at:

http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:PaulL

In a very brief nutshell, the research is based on the magnetocaloric effect.? It has nothing to do with nano technology.? I am fairly confident that by next year I'll have a machine generating kilowatts of power.? This is based on computer simulations using classical physics equations.? If I can pull it off with cheap magnetic materials then it should cost less than $100.? The machine should be very compact, size of printer, very easy to build.? At present it seems the user is going to have to customize a transformer.? For example, take two complete E cores and cut the middle sections out.? Then bond the two cores together.? This will give you a much wider E core.? There will be two coils on each end.? With specific timed pulsed free energy is obtained.? There is a lot about magnetic materials that most scientists have no clue about.? The Magnetocaloric effect is just the start of such research.

Sincerely,
Paul

PaulLowrance

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2005, 08:38:44 AM »
Are there any U.S. laws pertaining to publishing?  What if someone posted a free energy machine that was not yet tested, but later on turned out to work?  In such a case the details of the circuit would not be ready, but the inventor would provide the required signals.  Of course there would be detailed drawings of the machine.  In other words, what if no circuit was provided-- just a drawing of the required current and/or voltage signals?

Also, does it matter where the design is posted?  Can it be here or at Yahoo groups or does it need to be a professional publishing company?

Once published, the inventor has one year to file a patent.

Sincerely,
Paul

Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 11:08:25 PM »
Paul,

I think that if a craftsman in the art could construct it from your publication and plausibly have it work than the one year time would start. Publishing on this site is a complicated question. Access involves no payment. Access is slightly restricted probably to enable the ejection of people with poor netiquette, a common practice on the web. We are a discussion group now though there is no restriction on some of us being in business together. Lawyers probably advise clients to steer clear of uncertanties so the clients comply and stop talking. Therefore these issues are poorly discussed and are de facto resolved in favor of secrecy. Inventors probably want unrestricted access to ideas and discussions concerning inventing. I think that society should act to maximise human development and act against secrecy.

My bias in the case of a clean, cheap, and safe energy machine based on absorbing ambient heat and concurrently releasing an equivalent amount of electrical power is that such machines require the selective aggregation of small energies that deviate from the norm in the desired direction; that a bulk process will not work. For example if a hot spring (tapered helix) is weaker than a cold spring than a machine can be made where the spring is compressed when hot and released whem cold driving the recompression of the spring putting the spring in a cyclic process and providing net output power but this is a 2LT limited engine. An example of the small energies approach is where a lot of thermally driven moving molecules can be directed to build up a powerful flow. The infra red of a thermovoltaic cell is involves photons created on many spots.

Telsa conceptualized a device comprizing very many coils each wraped around a polarized magnet. A coil would saturate more easily for one direction of current. This is equivalent to a rectifier.   

I visited the link with the metal/insulator/superconductor refrigerator. It looks like it requires electrical power so it would then absorb heat on one side and eject this heat plus the thermal equivalent of the electric power on the other side.

Aloha,  Charlie

PaulLowrance

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2005, 07:12:58 AM »
Dear Charlie,

So you are suggesting that people not publishing an invention on free forums such as this place?  Where would you publish?  I may have read somewhere that IP.com charges about $100 to publish.

Thanks for the answer.  I've asked this question on the Internet for months now and people always dodge the question and run off track.  So far your answer is the closest straightforward answer.

Sincerely,
Paul

Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2005, 11:18:11 AM »
I think that it is most important for creative people to brainstorm with each other with everyone supported by today's access to abundant knowledge. Inventors need to post and publish to thrive. This is more important to me than patenting things. Individuals originate ideas; groups prepare concepts for development within an enterprise. Bringing a new product out requires both individual creative mulling things over and a group process to make sure that a concept meets a wide range of requirements including proper attribution for the inventions going in.  It is difficult to attribute contributions to individuals operating in a well working group. Therefore, the group members should be treated equally and paid generously but this not be the entire payment to an inventor. We have already brought up the idea of finding a place to work together. Let me pass the planning ball at this point.

Aloha, Charlie

PaulLowrance

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2005, 05:37:52 PM »
Dear Charlie and others,

I am doing some research on Publishing.  It seems evident that the U.S. patent office is now very picky at what it considers to be legitimate publishing.

I am trying to find out more details, but there is a good possibility that even the large and more trusted companies such as Yahoo (Yahoo groups) are not legitimate considerations for prior art.  I sent an email to ip.com for more details and a price list.  IP.com goes through considerable trouble to publish the data of other inventors.  Here are some links:

https://priorart.ip.com/online_help.jsp?ipcomAffiliate=&topic=legalStatus

http://www.ip.com/pdf/legalopinion.pdf

https://priorart.ip.com/lsa/pdf/LSA_Matrix.pdf

http://www.ip.com/resource/articles/bp-53.pdf

http://www.ip.com

Kind regards,
Paul

PaulLowrance

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2005, 05:20:20 PM »
Dear researchers,

I just received an email from IP.com:

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I would love to discuss the reasons why it is not advisable to publish something on a yahoo user group with the expectation of it being consider prior art.

~

IP.com charges per document (up to around 20 pages). The price, without discount, is $200 per publication voucher.

Please do not hesitate calling or e-mailing any additional questions.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Tim
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Sincerely,
Paul

atomiverse

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2005, 09:32:44 PM »
http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/6-901Fall2003/Readings/index.htm

is a link to a free book on patenting at the MIT Opencourseware Project.

Though I like this thread plenty as a nutshell analysis.

Sojourner

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2005, 12:23:12 AM »
I think the thing to do would be to build a machine that works and is a viable commmodity. (Not-"We pumped 500watts into this device and we got a whole five watts of genuine cold fusion out of it!!!! Yay!")

Then have it announced publically with other researchers and also announce the design as publc domain, making plans readily available.

Invest heavily into the enterprises that will be making the parts. (magnets etc)

This may seem a round-about way of financial gain, but my philosophy on this is that:  if you cast your bread upon the waters, it will return to you multiplied.

A viable free-energy device, placed in public domain would be the most powerful thing to ever change the world. The LAST thing one should do is suppress it by concealment or restriction.

Why?

There are plenty of, shall we say, "concerned parties" out there that possibly would just LOVE to make sure your secret died with you......if you know what I mean.

There are others that, through enough legal wrangling, could put the sleephold on your invention as well....and very quickly at that, before it 'got out' enough to make a terrible mess.

All either one of these 'parties' need is for YOU, the discovering scientist,  through worry, greed, or fear of having no profits from your efforts,  to have made the mistake of 'containing' the technology and not releasing it to the public at large.

Rest assured, that this is all the help they need, and they will grab it, contain it, and snuff it out quicker'n a New York Minute.

Before a person thinks about hiding their own discoveries............consider this:

Can we really believe, for one moment, that the dicoveror of a viable free energy device will not be taken care of financially even if they give away the 'secret'?

Think of the books, the paid lectures, the tours, the interviews........yes, there is a gravy train of monetary security in merely the popularity.

Screw the 'patent' system. Screw the lies about it protecting anyone in todays international market.

The question is: Do you want to help humanity as a whole and be known for that or do you want to be known as another 'statistic' on the list of suppressed inventors. Martyr or saviour? Take your pick.

The best way to avert these things would be to use the time-proven method of persistance and propagation. Like a virus, spread through the world on all the Microsoft machines.........like the chain-letter that will not die.................like the Dennis Lee's of the world that run for YEARS and YEARS on mere 'promises', 
like the mult-imarket phenomenon, -------->give..............give...........GIVE, and encourage the recipitants to give it too!

This is the secret you will need to make your dreams come true.

Soj

Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2005, 07:01:20 AM »
Let's consider how we can we have world prestige initially motivate and ultimately reward the whole enterprise of people involved in developing our world class inventions.

Aloha,  Charlie

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2005, 07:05:13 PM »
Never forget, something given freely has no value. It is a harsh, capitalistic world in which we live. You do need to get people behind you, but not too many. If you structure things in such a way that there is financial reward for all those who assist you (even on a speculative basis), you are far more likely to succeed.

Again, and I can not stress this point enough, you do need to get people behind you. You must achieve an aura of credibility. You must build a good team. You must structure your delivery in such a way that it can make money. You must avoid becoming a salesperson - beating the street to attract public interest. The general public will actually be of very little use to you. They have little or no real power. To succeed, you must attract power. From power, money and acceptance will flow.

The power behind the decisions which shape our lives is not to be found on the street. Only in the back rooms of governments and large corporations can the kind of power you need be accessed. To gain this access, unless you possess it already, you must associate with the relevant kinds of people. These people, if you are successful in your relationship-building, will become part of your team. Your team will now bring with it a network. A well-built network will allow you access to power.

You will need engineers, lawyers, accountants, politicians (or people with significant political contacts).

I do not wish to seem melodramatic, however I do know these things to be true. This is especially the case when dealing with 'fringe' technologies. My experience in this area is brief, but successful.

Your steps will be as follows;

Assure yourself of the beneficial nature of your invention, making realistic estimates of how much money is to be made out of it in the market (be highly critical here, because most of the people you talk to are going to be)

Search patent databases to make sure you aren't infringing on the Intellectual Property of another inventor

If you have come this far, you must immediately file a Provisional Patent. Contact a lawyer to find out how to do this. This lawyer may end up as part of your team.

Before discussing your technology with others, make them sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement or Confidentiality Deed which requires them to recognise your ownership of the invention and not discuss it with others that are not covered by such an agreement.

Use targeted disclosures to interest and then secure a team of people that are capable and well-connected. Anybody you know that has some connections to any large organisation is generally the best place to start. Power attracts power and has money as a friend.

You must now establish a Pty Ltd Company. Legislation regarding this differs from place to place, so you must speak to an accountant to discover the best way for where you are.

Your new company must be the owner of your Provisional Patent and must consist of a large number of shares, which you can sell to raise seed capital. You must be able to explain why your technology is better than current alternatives and how you intend to turn it into a profitable business.

With luck, the accountant you spoke to will be able to connect you to potential sources of seed capital (often his own wealthy clients) to build a prototype if you don't have one already, or to develop your new business if you do have one. Make your activities as cheap as possible in the early stages, you are likely to need every cent that you have and probably more.

The rest is now up to you. It will be hard work. Others will doubt you, and you will probably doubt yourself.

If you have managed to attract clever, influential people to your technology, they are likely to suggest ways in which your technology can be taken further. Always listen to them. You don't have to do what they say, but you must always listen to them.

I wish any who attempt this path in life the very best of luck. Despite the inherent difficulties, it is a noble pursuit. If you are motivated by a desire to improve the world in which we live, you deserve success.

Whilst the commercial flavours may not to be the liking of all who read this, they are essential and con not be dispensed with. It takes power to change the world, money is simply one of power's many metaphors.

rmgordon

lrrg@wantree.com.au

PaulLowrance

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2005, 07:53:34 PM »
Dear rmgordon,

First you need to get the build designs out to the public.  If not then you can pretty much count the seconds to your death.

TechStuf

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Re: What to do when you have a Free Energy machine
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2005, 12:15:00 AM »
By jove......Mr. Gordon's assertion, although truly obvious, succeeds in making a point.?

He stated that:? "Something given freely has no value."

By inference then,? we may include your freely given opinion Mr. Gordon?

(JK)


Certainly, you are speaking less about your personal beliefs and remarking about 'general public perception'.....in effect saying that the public has become jaded over the decades at the hands of unscrupulous profiteers....and that they don't see any value to anything offered them as 'free' because, in their experience, it is too good to be true.




Many people have learned that the best things in life are those which are 'freely given'.





One of several cases in point, regarding the many 'backroads' taken by truly beneficial technolgies, once hitched to the money train:

http://www.alternativescience.com/over-unity.htm

turned into this....

http://www.hydrodynamics.com


Looks like Griggs knew how to take a hint!


See how that works?? ?


This is how YOU can 'help' the world......You can join the trash heap of Teslas, Schaubergers, Malloves and other such ilk......or wake up and smell 'new money'.....while the bureaucrats help their masters utterly gut rip the planet!? Oh goody!



Everybody wins!? Well,? everybody who is anybody that is....


"Our responsibility is to our shareholders!"   seems to be the battlecry of the ages.......too bad, really, that many of those selfsame 'shareholders' do not realize that they also share not a negligible level of culpability as well, in what is being done to others, and so too, themselves..... in their name.




Shhhh....hear that?? ?Those are the hot, dry winds of change a blowin.? Get your wind generators up and ready boys.......Or so I'm told.



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