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Author Topic: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible  (Read 4354 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2018, 02:33:06 PM »
@Belfior
I agree with you. Only self-looping is a proof. I noticed that when we try to close the loop of a device that we think is overunity, that's when we see the flaw we didn't see before!

I don't know if Bearden can be trusted or not, I mean haven't seen the MEG in shops yet, but he had some good points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNU3MLqyzPk

We put 50% of the input back to the negative rail effectively destroying the dipole, so we got 50% to use in our circuit with all losses of that said circuit. That is how we are taught to make circuits and I don't think it is a mistake, but a deliberate scheme to keep those circuits ineffective.

So in my mind the question really is how to agitate charges without dumping back to the source dipole? We have such techniques and we can go around laws like Lenz, but you can pickup any electrical engineering book and it is telling that is the wrong way or it does not mention these techniques at all. I don't think is a coincidence either.

After 2 years of 'research' I went back and watched all the Don Smith videos again. He is really trying to tell us something, but you really gotta listen.

PS.

I wonder what is hiding in the original Maxwell's equations, that Steinmetz and others changed so that they could be easily used in engineering. Quaternion != Vector. I think it is the same if a 2D map is used to describe this planet

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2018, 03:47:02 PM »
Bearden, and at a lower level Don Smith, have theories but not the least working device, not even a proof of concept. In science we must verify and confirm theories by experiments.

For example, let's take the Lenz law you mentioned. Lenz's law is only the consequence that moving charges influence each other via the magnetic field.
The only force on charges is F=q.E with E the electric field either deriving from a potential or, in our case, obtained by a varying magnetic field in which case E=v x B (vector product), v being the speed of the charges relative to the observer who also sees the B field which is the result of moving charges.
Therefore, the situation is symmetrical between the charges of the source of the magnetic field and the moving charges in the field created by the former. From the viewpoint of the charges at the source of the magnetic field, there is no magnetic field (because they are at rest in their own referential) but they see the varying magnetic field of the moving external charges.
The effect of the former on the latter is strictly identical to the effect of the latter on the former, since there is only one physical cause, the relative velocity between charges, resulting in a force (also explicable by Einstein's relativity). So if Lenz's law did not apply, the effect that gives rise to it would not exist either, induction would not exist. Lenz's law and induction law are one and the same, just a question of which charges we look at.

There are many IQ >140 among physicists, we must be very careful to challenge their theories that they have also verified through thousands meticulous experiments. If there is a possibility of free energy, we will have to be very, very, very smart to find it. Or to have an extraordinary luck. It's what we play at.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2018, 09:41:36 PM »
Yes what we need is empirical evidence !

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6v9zkz

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
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Offline Belfior

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #48 on: October 11, 2018, 10:50:06 PM »
Yes what we need is empirical evidence !

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6v9zkz

Yeah well it is all theories until you have it running on your bench and if it is not self looped I tend not to watch the video. When it is self looped you can forget all measuring error debunkers. Self looping with a battery is also BS Bedini style. I bet you can get OU from a battery system by somehow destroying the battery at the same time. Self loop with caps and I will give you a medal for sure!

Just use 4k video to shoot it, so the "wire finders" can have a good look at it :)


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2018, 02:50:39 AM »
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Many! In electronics, since the age of 11. That's why I'm very careful now. All the experiments in FE I have done so far (single wire transmission, back emf, SMOT, so-called "scalar waves", Steorn-style parametric motors...) show that everything works according to conventional theories.

Cool, many people can work a lifetime and never see anything extraordinary while others just naturally stumble onto it. This is because we are obviously not the same people and we do not think the same and nobody should assume we do.

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I'm looking for loopholes but I haven't found any yet. Most of those who believe they have found them are only surprised by commonplace phenomena that they do not understand.

Obviously your not looking hard enough and this relates to the concept of "learning how to learn". I see many people who think learning is simply memorizing what others have done however memorizing is more akin to pseudo-learning not genuine learning. To truly learn something new requires an open mind and independence from others not conformity. No person who has ever accomplished anything great or innovative has conformed to anything in the way of normalcy.

If you want to find a loophole look at this...
http://www.rexresearch.com/treshalov/treshalov.htm

Here we see the concept of Exergy or the absolute energy within the entirety of a system which is available to perform work. As well as an introduction to the concept that Kinetic energy and Potential energy in a system are not always intimately bound to one another as we might expect. Treshalov does a poor job of explaining the concept however the foundation is present.

Learning is about progress and if we have made no progress then obviously we have not learned anything. As one intellectual put it we have lived in a lost decade in which nothing of consequence has happened that matters.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2018, 12:36:41 PM »
@onepower

I have said this before, but when a person that has not come up with anything original teaches kids to do the same, we get to where we are now. After that the teacher and the students are effectively living in a matrix, that was put over their eyes. Anybody that is trying to use their brain is quickly ridiculed back to the flock and we continue on for the next 100 years. The problem here being we might not have another 100 years before things get irreversible. Just like religious people might have a crucifix on their wall the teacher has his Harward diploma on the wall to remind him, that he is a priest and not a scientist. The religion is just different.

You can use your brain, but inside the framework they have provided. You can bet your ass the framework was designed so, that nothing new (old?) and magical is ever found. You can accomplish this by setting the framework and accompanying rules in this way. Everything new comes up by accident and it needs to happen to a person that has the balls to take it forward. Everything new we discover comes about by accident or from a person that is said to be crazy, but we still teach students to be normal and forget all this other nonsense!?! Now that is crazy. Bacteria?!? Smaller that the eye can see?!? Nonsense. Lets put some cow shit on the wound and prepare a mercury drink for the patient...

I get told every week, that I should do normal things and think like normal people. That is another artificial construct. The only outcome of that is that we keep on peddling the mouse wheel for the 1%. Close your eyes and wait for death.

I think the key is to do something differently. If we haven't found the answers yet, it means we are asking the wrong questions. Now why is that? It must be in something in the very basics of the sciences that is totally wrong. Maybe it is just stupidity or maybe it is a deliberate cover up. Everything in archaeology is a temple or a tomb. Maybe they are labs and power plants? People keep destroying shit they do not understand, because there is a risk someone does understand and then they are obsolete. Burn the library of Alexandria. Sumerian history is just mythology and on the other hand Jesus was real and Mohammed was riding a white unicorn to the heavens when he died...

We need to dig way deeper. Have a couple of joints and sleep outside in a tent. Is the Universe about life or is it about death? If it is about life, then we are being provided all we need without us needing to destroy life. So something like fission is an abomination to the whole Creation. Fukushima is a good example. So much death because we want to watch "fuckpile island" on TV. If there is a Creator that sure as shit is not a white bearded old dude sitting on a cloud making deals with one human tribe so they have an eternal license to kill to get their Promised Land. My opinion is that the universe always was or it came about because of some event that produced the first vibrations. Everything is light and vibration. So my church is the universe and everything in it. Infinite possibilities of vibrations to unite and produce stuff like us. So every time you sing a song it is a praise to the Creation. Simple things matter like why do you want to do it in the shower where there are "all the frequencies" present?

The answer to energy might be somewhere before Ampere's (empirical!) law. All we need is to change the "as we all know" to "why?". I am not interested in the 99% that our current rules explain. It is the 1% anomalies I am interested in. We are still using vector representations of Maxwell's equations and if you hit an anomaly you are told just to "ground the shit out of it". We are actively trying to force the 1% into the 99%.

Also I believe that if I look at the stars and have an urge to go see them, that means there is a way to do it. It might be antigravity, free energy or remote viewing, but there is a way. It is this fundamental urge that leads to discovery. I don't think a cat looks at the stars and go "hmm I wanna fly there and meet other species". The cat does not look at the stars!

@F6FLT

I hope you are not too deep into the current dogma, that you can step out of your comfort zone. Everything works to the conventional theories, because that is the way we do research and that is the way we measure. I do believe in the scientific method. I just don't believe in the framework we are given as the basis

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2018, 12:51:18 PM »
People believe in God, but they don't think there are other universes or dimension? Maybe you can resonate something that it pulls crap from another dimension or universe? It is a human perception that this needs gigawatts of power, if at all possible.

Elon Musk said we might be living in a simulation and we need to be weary of letting AI loose. Well who says computer need to be wires and chips? Are we not the AI already? We might be here as an experiment to see if we can figure out the problem the "Creator" has. Maybe the Creator is a machine an this is a simulation. The machine came across an anomaly and we were created to figure it out. It could be consciousness, love or what ever.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2018, 02:33:57 PM »

I guess OU is explicit content

try again

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6vbkwq

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2018, 02:38:19 PM »
I guess OU is explicit content

try again

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6vbkwq

Explicit content... So they wan to know who is watching this, because you need to sign in to watch this. How nice!

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #55 on: October 12, 2018, 02:57:41 PM »

My first link to this video worked when I tried it here at OU forum.

Then it went down. "explicit content"

same with another video

So I renamed the first video and uploaded it to dailymotion again.
so far its working.  down load it in case it goes down again?


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #56 on: October 12, 2018, 03:42:09 PM »
@Bifilor

Fortunately....  the fear mongers don't have it that wraped up yet.

I think it was just an error on my part... cliked the Parerntal controll mistakenly
during the upload ?  ..... Sure had me worried for a while though !

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #57 on: October 13, 2018, 02:01:53 AM »
Hmm only saw that video so maybe I do not fully follow what is going on.

One thing came to mind. On the video there is a claim that 105g is pulling 115g up so there is OU.

But I did not see 105g pull up 115g. I saw a finger pushing the sliding unit, that had 105g on it claiming only 105g was pulled. When a finger is used you pull up 105g PLUS anything the magnet interaction needs to get his done. So 105g was pulled plus any work the magnets needed for separation.

I might be wrong, but I am also very.....very drunk atm


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #58 on: October 13, 2018, 05:58:24 PM »
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Obviously your not looking hard enough and this relates to the concept of "learning how to learn". I see many people who think learning is simply memorizing what others have done however memorizing is more akin to pseudo-learning not genuine learning. To truly learn something new requires an open mind and independence from others not conformity. No person who has ever accomplished anything great or innovative has conformed to anything in the way of normalcy.
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Unfortunately, the facts deny what you say.
Where does the energy you currently use come from? What makes it easy for you to communicate with anyone everywhere? With what do you travel around the planet? Why are you talking about "electric or magnetic fields",  "forces", "energy", "momentum", "power"?
Are all these devices you use and these concepts you handle, the products of scientists and engineers, or of do-it-yourselfers and handymen?

A new idea appears when it is mature, that is, when the context of human knowledge has reached a point from which it can emerge in the minds of some, the best prepared, so-called "pioneers" (for example in electricity, Coulomb, Ampère, Ørsted, Faraday, Maxwell, Tesla).
As Louis Pasteur said, "luck favours prepared minds".
Those who innovate are those who know the state of the art, and are therefore able in their observations to differentiate between what is well known and what is new, or are able to find new ways to explore rather than re-invent hot water.

When I see hundreds of posts just on the single wire transmission, I feel like I see children playing a puzzle for which they obviously don't have all the pieces. When you have an electronics engineer background, you know that any device is always inductively or capacitively coupled to its environment, even a simple wire, and you know whether you can neglect its inductance or capacitance, or not. In this case, the components at the wire termination are always more or less coupled to the ground or the generator, so we have a conventional circuit looped by a capacity in the order of pF, and the energy is well drawn from the generator (I myself wasted my time doing the measurement).
The unprepared minds do not see any capacitor, so they shout "Miracle!", unable like children to understand that they are missing parts. The prepared minds include capacities in their schema, and perfectly model single wire transmission with LTspice.

Until now, prepared minds have given us energy. It's not free but it's real, we use it every day. Until now, unprepared minds gave us only dreams, promises or obscure theories that produce nothing (except scams). Unfortunately, dreams and promises do neither power my PC nor warm my house.
Remember that even Tesla was an electrical and mechanical engineer, he received a higher education in engineering and physics at the University of Graz. Truly innovative technical ideas never come out of nowhere, not even from a handyman in his garage. You don't need to have a university education to have ideas, nevertheless if you want your ideas beat those of "prepared minds" in matter of operational technology, you must prepare yourself, and at least acquire the basics. Otherwise, you are seriously handicapped because like children, you turn pieces all over the place hoping to plug the holes in the puzzle, without ever producing anything useful (or you invoke the holes as source of ZPE, slipping from science to religious incantation   :) ).

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #59 on: October 13, 2018, 10:00:46 PM »
Very well stated F6FLT.  I agree with you one hundred percent.  The argument about education getting in the way of innovation is ridiculous to the extreme.  When I see a novice making wild claims about a perfectly normal behavior of a circuit or device I am reminded of someone that wants to explore new worlds.  They refuse to take the time to learn what worlds have been explored so everything new to them must be a new discovery.  They are so simple in their thinking they refuse to even learn how to read a map to help them explore for new worlds.  I have had many discussions on this and other forums with people that don't even know how to properly use the meters and other test equipment they have but they are still sure they have made some great discoveries. Thanks for your clear and accurate post.

All of this sounds very condescending, but I don't mean it to be.  None of us were born knowing all about electronics or anything else for that matter, but a lot of us have taken the time to actually try and learn.  And those that refuse to learn make such silly arguments for not taking the time to learn that I just have to comment on it sometimes.

Respectfully,
Carroll

PS: F6FLT sounds like an amateur radio operator's call.  Are you a ham?  My call is WD4SIX

 

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