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Author Topic: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible  (Read 26350 times)

Offline F6FLT

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #90 on: March 11, 2019, 10:36:04 AM »
When I was in school, they taught me work in kg * m - what is the difference?
The comparison of the difference of work in the axial vs lateral directions is on page 12.
Can you for once read the whole document before commenting?

Nothing on page 12 either. It's not even a work calculation. To do this, it is necessary to integrate the product F*distance on the trajectory, and to be conclusive, it is necessary to show that for the same starting and arrival point, this integration depends on the trajectory, i.e. here, is different when the magnets slide side by side or move away from each other.

Will you continue to indicate page numbers unrelated to the problem raised, or have you understood the question, that of the experimental demonstration with measurement data that the work depends on the path, while all we know and see until now is that this is never the case when the energy comes from a potential difference, here a magnetic potential?

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #91 on: March 11, 2019, 12:14:16 PM »
https://www.voanews.com/a/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet/4235140.html
as explained more than 20 years before :
http://www.geminielectricmotor.com/
permanent magnet motors and magnets true potential force use , demagnetisation risk thrue coercive force :
https://patents.google.com/patent/US6037692A/en
power/density + efficiency : 1 up to 10 KW output per Kg motor weight and 99% conversion, RPM/Frequency!

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #92 on: March 11, 2019, 12:31:43 PM »
Nothing on page 12 either. It's not even a work calculation. To do this, it is necessary to integrate the product F*distance on the trajectory, and to be conclusive, it is necessary to show that for the same starting and arrival point, this integration depends on the trajectory, i.e. here, is different when the magnets slide side by side or move away from each other.

Will you continue to indicate page numbers unrelated to the problem raised, or have you understood the question, that of the experimental demonstration with measurement data that the work depends on the path, while all we know and see until now is that this is never the case when the energy comes from a potential difference, here a magnetic potential?
I think all of this is addressed in the document, exactly the way you outlined it.
I can't say for sure, though, that all the data presented are correct - they need to be retested independently.
I'm not against a healthy bias, but your bias is interfering with the productive thought.


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #94 on: March 13, 2019, 06:57:13 AM »
https://www.powerelectronics.com/alternative-energy/permanent-magnet-motor-feasible
I have read both this article, and the article that it links to at the beginning (The article that made me post the initial post in this thread).
I did a simulation in FEMM, but the complete cycle is somewhat inconclusive due to inaccuracy in the simulation, but no obvious signs of a working model.


I't easy to believe that it would work if you ignore the magnets travel (distance), but if you multiply the distances with the magnetic forces (potential energy at any given point in space), and summarize all positions, you end up in about nothing.
Say you simulate a scenario that is 100mm x 100mm, and you take measurements at every mm, the result average to zero - more or less.


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #95 on: March 13, 2019, 11:10:55 AM »
Thanks for your trial comment  !
In the second "powerelectronics" article the most interesting is the definition from a / the " permanent magnet"from academical physics science view  !
To see like a " permanent recharging magnetostatic capacitor".
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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #96 on: March 13, 2019, 12:07:09 PM »
I think all of this is addressed in the document, exactly the way you outlined it.
I can't say for sure...

It's easy to know for sure!  ::)
It is enough to have the basic skills in electromagnetism, to read the paper, to notice that there is no calculation of the work from the tables of force that are given and no comparison between the two cases.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #97 on: March 13, 2019, 02:18:54 PM »
Why not just build it? Two permanentmagnets should not be hard to place on a table and test the physics in real world.


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #98 on: March 13, 2019, 09:53:41 PM »
Why not just build it? Two permanentmagnets should not be hard to place on a table and test the physics in real world.


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Didn't Floor observe something similar in his TD drive?

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #99 on: March 13, 2019, 10:10:47 PM »
Didn't Floor observe something similar in his TD drive?
Maybe Floor can tell something about that. Honestly, I cannot remember if I have seen that video (if there is one). So many magnet-topics here, and so many magnet-videos on youtube. I haven't track on all these, LOL ;D


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Offline Acca

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #101 on: March 14, 2019, 04:28:51 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSu-wUXbUoI

Do CC translate on YouTube to English text ...

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #102 on: March 14, 2019, 07:59:52 AM »
One more link for Vegas

 
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Published on Jan 23, 2019
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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #103 on: March 14, 2019, 11:51:34 AM »
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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #104 on: March 14, 2019, 10:35:33 PM »
This is the thread
https://overunity.com/14311/work-from-2-magnets-19-output-2/60/
This is probably not a good example because I can't figure out what he
is trying to do there, so forget it.