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Author Topic: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible  (Read 9564 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2018, 01:34:46 PM »

Bifilar.... your responce

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"Well I think it depends what your intentions are? If you want to stay alive you don't tell anybody about it and you just grind bitcoins in your garage with your free electricity."
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Bench proof or not depends on ones intentions ? non secquiter or what ?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6v9zkz

I kinda read it as "how much proof does one need?" and the question actually was (or so I believe) "is this bench proof?"

I have to say that I am not the person to answer that. I can as always give you my opinion or brain farts that come to my mind :)

1. I have no clue what is the thing that is being proven here. That magnets in certain angles do not repel or attract?
2. Why does it always have to be a 7 ton truck that is used to prove something? You can easily lose something in the friction or other losses
3. Could something else be used like a pendulum with a magnet that just passes the 2 upright magnets when they are in a certain angle?
4. If the pendulum works, it is still a long way from a self looped machine.
5. Using time to prove OU exists by itself is a bit of a waste in my opinion. Aim straight for the self looped machine and the proof will be inherit in it

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Offline telecom

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2018, 04:30:08 AM »
@Floor
When you lift the bottle up with your finger, it doesn't necessarily mean that
you are applying a force equal to the weight of the bottle.
The force can be bigger, it this case you create an acceleration according to the second law.
You need to make a bottle to push the SL forward, then you will know the required force.
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Offline Belfior

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2018, 11:53:13 AM »
@Floor
When you lift the bottle up with your finger, it doesn't necessarily mean that
you are applying a force equal to the weight of the bottle.
The force can be bigger, it this case you create an acceleration according to the second law.
You need to make a bottle to push the SL forward, then you will know the required force.
Regards

That was the point I was trying to make earlier.

@Floor

Not trying to pee in your cerial here! This is constructive critisim!

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2018, 11:53:13 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #78 on: October 19, 2018, 12:09:26 AM »



When you lift the bottle up with your finger, it doesn't necessarily mean that
you are applying a force equal to the weight of the bottle.
The force can be bigger, it this case you create an acceleration according to the second law.
You need to make a bottle to push the SL forward, then you will know the required force.
Regards


             "The force can be bigger"
                      Wrong.....  can not be and  is not bigger. and monkeys might fly out of your butt to.

 The Force needed to lift the SL weight applied starts at 105 grams and decreases as RO rotates... when RO is allowed
to rotate under the force of the RO weight as SL weight is lifted..

    "in this case you create an acceleration according to the second law."

Wrong.... Input (by lifting SL)and output (by RO weight falling) CAN BE simultaneous BUT DO NOT NEED TO BE.
If RO is NOT allowed to rotate by force of the RO weight (it remains at 90 deg.), as the SL weight is lifted,
the  lifting force is constant at 105 grams through out the 22 degrees of lifting.  period.   

This lifting of SL  is 22 / 40 of the distance the RO weight is lifted when the SL weight falls.

If after SL is lifted  it (SL)  is gradually lowered.... It will still cause the lifting of the RO weight.  I was as careful to calibrate
every thing so that this would remain so.

Your considerations of acceleration  are a misdirection.

 

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2018, 03:02:40 AM »


             "The force can be bigger"
                      Wrong.....  can not be and  is not bigger. and monkeys might fly out of your butt to.

 The Force needed to lift the SL weight applied starts at 105 grams and decreases as RO rotates... when RO is allowed
to rotate under the force of the RO weight as SL weight is lifted..

    "in this case you create an acceleration according to the second law."

Wrong.... Input (by lifting SL)and output (by RO weight falling) CAN BE simultaneous BUT DO NOT NEED TO BE.
If RO is NOT allowed to rotate by force of the RO weight (it remains at 90 deg.), as the SL weight is lifted,
the  lifting force is constant at 105 grams through out the 22 degrees of lifting.  period.   

This lifting of SL  is 22 / 40 of the distance the RO weight is lifted when the SL weight falls.

If after SL is lifted  it (SL)  is gradually lowered.... It will still cause the lifting of the RO weight.  I was as careful to calibrate
every thing so that this would remain so.

Your considerations of acceleration  are a misdirection.
I'm wrong most of the time, and the main reason in this case being the difficulty
of clearly seeing what actually takes place in your setup.
What would really help, is a clear diagram of the apparatus, indicating polarities of the magnets, and step by step sequence of the interaction.
I'm sure that with your drafting skills this won't be that hard to produce.
Then it will be easier to understand what actually happens there.
Best regards

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #79 on: October 19, 2018, 03:02:40 AM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2018, 09:31:29 PM »
@ telecom

Certain magnet interactions it sometimes seems, are almost made to boggle the mind.
It takes time and effort to sort them out.

Give it time.  Relax.

OK

Diagrams explanations

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/dlattach/attach/169582/

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/dlattach/attach/169588/

https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/dlattach/attach/169174/

Watch / study the videos at          https://www.dailymotion.com/us     type in    seethisvid    in the search box.

         force = Mass     times    acceleration
                   but more fundamentally
         energy = force   times    displacement

         I will post more links when ever you want.   There are a lot more.


         Regards
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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #81 on: October 20, 2018, 09:37:30 PM »
I think I got a handle of the TD unit.
The way I see it, you limit RO going past 90, and it actually wants to go
to 180 ( to be parallel to SL).
Then you attach the weight to be at a certain angle when SL is far.
When SL get closer, it  pushes RO towards 90 by the repulsion field.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't mind to see more links though because its a very facsinating subject.
Regards

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
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Offline telecom

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #82 on: March 08, 2019, 04:53:29 PM »
The key to Dr.Kozeka discovery is this chart.
It shows that at the distance of 5 mm  the separation force is 1/5 of
the original.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #83 on: March 08, 2019, 07:33:10 PM »
The key to Dr.Kozeka discovery is this chart.
It shows that at the distance of 5 mm  the separation force is 1/5 of
the original.

Why 1/5 ? When "original" = no distance 1600 and by 5 mm 200 then 200/1600 = 1/8

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Force,  at contact= no distance .      500 pounds
                                  1 mm distance  125 pounds
                                  2 mm distance.   31 pounds
                                  3 mm  distance.   7,8 pounds       

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #84 on: March 08, 2019, 08:47:08 PM »
The key to Dr.Kozeka discovery is this chart.
It shows that at the distance of 5 mm  the separation force is 1/5 of
the original.

The notion of force is irrelevant in matter of energy. Energy = Force x Displacement.

If you lift a 100 kg weight to a height of 0.1 m, at the end of a lever that has a ratio of 10 for the length of both arms, the force you will apply will only be 10 kg. Is it "free energy"? Of course not. The distance of movement of the lever arm on your side will be 1 m instead of 0.1 m.   100 x 0.1 = 10 x 1.
With magnets it's the same thing. The field gradient is not the same everywhere, so the lower force on one side will have to be applied over a longer distance, and the energy will be balanced in each zone.

Kozeka calculates forces but not work which is the only interesting concept, either because he is incompetent or because he is looking for investors for a scam (otherwise why?).


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #85 on: March 08, 2019, 10:50:00 PM »
The notion of force is irrelevant in matter of energy. Energy = Force x Displacement.


Kozeka calculates forces but not work which is the only interesting concept, either because he is incompetent or because he is looking for investors for a scam (otherwise why?).
This is absolutely untrue.
In his documents he goes to a great length explaining what you just wrote about force vs work,and he doesn't find work being the same in a different planes.
This is caused by the difference in the density of the magnetic field.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #86 on: March 09, 2019, 12:00:51 PM »
This is absolutely untrue.
In his documents he goes to a great length explaining what you just wrote about force vs work,and he doesn't find work being the same in a different planes.
This is caused by the difference in the density of the magnetic field.

This is perfectly true, "Kozeka calculates forces but not work which is the only interesting concept", and the paper you gave proves it: we see a beautiful formula "work = force x distance" but then only force tables, for example from page 48 onwards, and no tables of the work of the forces. Or specify the page.

When you see the document starting with considerations on pollution, oil, or digression on the strength of neodymium magnets, rather than getting to the facts, you understand that it is simply a matter of impressing and preparing a psychological conditioning to make us swallow a big non-scientific absurdity. I know this method, I've read dozens of them before, each time scams.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #87 on: March 09, 2019, 03:17:52 PM »
Go to the page 10, this is where it starts.
I don't blame you for your apprehension, but this document seems to be
within reason, as long as all the data are correct.
I will try proving it myself, just need to get a digital fish scale.

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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #88 on: March 09, 2019, 07:03:12 PM »
Go to the page 10, this is where it starts.
I don't blame you for your apprehension, but this document seems to be
within reason, as long as all the data are correct.
I will try proving it myself, just need to get a digital fish scale.

Nothing on page 10, only the value of a possible work doable by a magnet is given (in an exotic non-scientific unit, work/energy is in Joule, at least in Wh, not in "inch-pounds" :), we see they target the laymen and the investors ). Of course a magnet can work, it depends on its initial magnetic potential energy, everyone knows that.
The problem is that nowhere is there a calculation of the work of the forces in both cases of movement, with their comparison for a possible gain. Their analysis is an empty shell, its appearance is misleading.


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Re: New discovery suggest that permanent magnet motors might be possible
« Reply #89 on: March 09, 2019, 07:52:08 PM »
Nothing on page 10, only the value of a possible work doable by a magnet is given (in an exotic non-scientific unit, work/energy is in Joule, at least in Wh, not in "inch-pounds" :), we see they target the laymen and the investors ). Of course a magnet can work, it depends on its initial magnetic potential energy, everyone knows that.
The problem is that nowhere is there a calculation of the work of the forces in both cases of movement, with their comparison for a possible gain. Their analysis is an empty shell, its appearance is misleading.

When I was in school, they taught me work in kg * m - what is the difference?
The comparison of the difference of work in the axial vs lateral directions is on page 12.
Can you for once read the whole document before commenting?


 

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