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Title: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?

This seems to me a great technology revolution! As if these guys are extremely gifted engineers! Please look at the two links below:

https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf

https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf

The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.

Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.

The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.

Alternatively, you can run a search in Google for the phrase "HOW BARON MUNCHAUSEN CAN LIFT HIMSELF INTO THE AIR BY PULLING HIMSELF UP BY HIS OWN HAIR" (with capital letters).

You can contact the inventors at randdgroup34@gmail.com.

And most important, in order to understand the text and the related Figs.1-6, you have to be an expert in the field of theoretical and applied mechanics

My friends and I are extremely curious about the opinions of the colleagues, who are members of the world community, related to reactionless propulsion systems, alternative sources of energy and other non-standard technology problems.

What do you think about the experiment described in the links above? As if everything seems to be perfect? As if this is really a reactionless propulsion system and/or a perpetual motion machine?

Besides these guys suggest another technology revolution. Their  second technology breakthrough increases drastically the distance travelled by a standard electric car on a single charge. And what do you think about this electric technology? 

Eagerly looking forward to your answer.

Best regards

George Sen
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on August 26, 2018, 11:42:09 AM
I do not see any comments. No one here is interested in reactionless drive?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: aether22 on August 28, 2018, 07:55:40 AM
I do not see any comments. No one here is interested in reactionless drive?


It's more a case of "wait, so I have to read a bunch of low contrast handwriting and math that might go over my head, and the only alternative is some meaningless cryptic images that by themselves explain nothing"...




Also, if you break the conservation of momentum, then you break the conservation of energy either way.


Also, finally, most attempts to violate mathematical laws with math fall flat, they are mistakes, errors.

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: telecom on August 28, 2018, 11:02:46 PM
have you actually tried the experiment?
Generally speaking, mv of the reaction is a vector, and if the direction is changed on the opposite, i.e. not against the original force, but with it, the reaction can be made to
double the original force.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 01, 2018, 03:15:29 PM
Please look at the two PDF links.
1) Everything is explained clear enough and the text and the drawings are also clear enough.
2) No, there are no experiments at all. It's only a theoretical research. If somebody in this forum has time and good will, then he/she could carry out the experiment. You can also consider everything as a part of the entertaiment industry. Simply have fun and be happy! 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 08, 2018, 11:27:51 AM
Dear colleagues,
Let me tell you about two more things.
1) Precise mathematical calculations (including intergrals) unambiguously show the correctness of the conception described in the two PDF links  https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf and  https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf. Baron Munchausen can lift himself into the air by pulling himself up by his own hair for sure! The calculations however take too much space (20 pages) and that's why they are not given here. But anybody, who is interested in, can do the math.
2) There are special computer programs (since 1990s) which entirely and fully imitate real mechanical (as well as electrical, chemical and other) processes. There are numerous clips in YouTube which totally and fully imitate the real mechanical processes which occur in the internal combustion engines (ICE) for example. The clips are animations which show clearly vectors (as time varying directions and magnitudes) of linear and angular velocities and of forces and torques related (a) to the rotating crankshaft, (b) to the reciprocally moving pistons and (c) to the cylinders. AND PLEASE NOTE -- there is an option which allows imitating of the real mechanical processes in ICE with and without friction, that is, friction can vary from zero to any value(magnitude) bigger than zero.
So if there are enthusiasts (enthusiasm is one of the basic requirements of any great deed) in this forum who are well educated in computer sciences, then they could adapt the above mentioned programs to the Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive conception and show all of us in this forum the related adaptations.
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And let me repeat again -- nobody forces you into accepting of the Baron Munchausen's conception for a reactionless drive. Please consider the two PDF links as a part of the entertainment industry. Simply have fun and be happy!
Best regards,
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 15, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
And two more arguments related to Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive which are not related to higher mathematics.
1) Firstly, please look again at Figs. 1,2,2A and 3 in link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf and at the related text in link  https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf. Please assume that the inside walls of the straight-line black pipes are quite rough and covered with abrasive paper. The two blue balls slide inside the straight-line black pipes s-segments. Let us assume that the resisting force of friction is 1N. (The weight of an average apple is around 1N.)
Secondly, please look again at Figs. 4,5,5A and 6 in link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf and at the related text in link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf. Please assume that friction inside the zig-zag channels is 100000 times smaller than 1N (which is perfectly possible by using modern technologies), that is, the resisting force of friction is now 0.00001N. Therefore friction can be assumed negligible -- it is much smaller than the weight of a mosquito! And the related experimental error is 0.001%, that is, the experimental error can be also neglected as the acceptable margin of experimental error is 1% at most.
How to explain the Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive in a simpler and more understandable way?
2) Now we are preparing a presentation (text and drawings) of another approach which allows replacing of friction (Figs. 1,2,2A and 3) with another technology unit. The blue ball slides with negligible friction inside the straight-line black pipe and at a certain moment pushes sideways an oblique piston which on its behalf slides in a straight-line channel. This channel (a) is perpendicular to the black straight-line pipe and (b) is firmly attached to the black straight-line pipe. There is a spring of suitable stiffness inside this additional channel. The blue ball slides inside the black straight-line pipe and pushes the oblique piston, which on its behalf presses the spring. After some period of time the piston is totally pushed out of the black straight-line pipe and is locked in its ultimate position; the spring is maximally pressed and the related velocities are the same as in Fig. 3. If friction is assumed negligible, then (a) no heat is generated and (b) the related energy is accumulated in the spring as a potential energy. (The spring is assumed to be ideal and I will not explain now what is an ideal spring and how it correlates with a real spring.)
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It seems to me that many members of this forum (excluding a few clumsy and ignorant agents of the BIG OIL) as if fear the truth.
Nevertheless simply have fun!
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: fritznien on September 15, 2018, 03:26:03 PM
hard to read.TLDRwhat is the point.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 22, 2018, 10:36:44 AM
To fritznien.
1) The experimental error caused by friction in a real experiment can be reduced to 0.001% (modern technologies allow this) while the acceptable margin of experimental error is 1-2% at most and 5% as a standard.   
2) Friction can be replaced by oblique pistons which are pushed aside by the moving blue balls. Pistons press high-quality springs that accumulate potential energy and do not practically generate heat.
Note. Yet please read the text which you evaluate as TLRD. 
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on October 06, 2018, 11:25:20 AM
Don't fear the truth! And the truth is that BARON MUNCHAUSEN CAN LIFT HIMSELF INTO THE AIR BY PULLING HIMSELF UP BY HIS OWN HAIR FOR SURE! The law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct in some cases! Any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing disturbing and tragic in this fact. Be simply braver and have fun!
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 04, 2018, 11:30:14 AM
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: F6FLT on November 04, 2018, 01:15:44 PM
...BARON MUNCHAUSEN CAN LIFT HIMSELF INTO THE AIR BY PULLING HIMSELF UP BY HIS OWN HAIR FOR SURE!
...
Does he use the same method as Peter Pan?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on November 05, 2018, 02:17:31 PM
I do not see any comments. No one here is interested in reactionless drive?
The point here is how one can pull his own hair and lift himself into the air. The hand that pulls, will pull equally in the opposite direction of the weight he want to lift. Such videos, or statements are untrue because it's a good trick, with nothing more to it.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: F6FLT on November 05, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
...The hand that pulls, will pull equally in the opposite direction of the weight he want to lift. Such videos, or statements are untrue because it's a good trick, with nothing more to it.
...

I share your opinion, Vidar.
The configuration reduces to a closed mechanical system and no new physics is assumed. A Lagrangian can therefore describe the system, which excludes any possibility of non-conservation of the momentum.
I consider this thread to be a good joke, even if it is not the April fool's day.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 11, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
To F6FLT and to Low-Q.
Are you really ignorant or you only imitate ignorance because of the money you receive from the BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations? Most likely the second one is true.   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 11, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: F6FLT on November 11, 2018, 06:45:00 PM
To F6FLT and to Low-Q.
Are you really ignorant or you only imitate ignorance because of the money you receive from the BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations?
Yes I get $50.000 every month from "BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations" to animate social networks. ::)  ;D ;D ;D

Irony aside, after having learned elementary physics, you should also learn the ad hominem fallacy of "Guilt by association" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy) in order to improve your mastery of logic and rethoric and to be less insulting in the future.

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 12, 2018, 04:25:42 PM
To F6FLT.
Please excuse me if I have insulted you. You are free to have your own opinion and protect it. I do not mind if you consider the above Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive as a joke. Then please have fun and be happy! It's OK! 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 12, 2018, 04:26:31 PM
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 26, 2018, 06:26:55 PM
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on November 30, 2018, 12:56:29 PM
To F6FLT and to Low-Q.
Are you really ignorant or you only imitate ignorance because of the money you receive from the BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations? Most likely the second one is true.
This has nothing to do with Big Oil. Oil is Big because over unity doesn't work. Claiming that Big Oil is in the way, is just a conspiracy theory that is constructed by ignorant minds.
Science is all about numbers. If the numbers doesn't add up, you have a problem that can't be solved. Easy as that.
However, in spite of this, even myself have spent lots of time trying to crack the over unity code. Sleepless nights, convinced that I have figured it out, but then the day after I realize I made a mistake in the calculations, or methods that are used to determine how things work.


Working with OU is an extremely hard task to manage fully - just because, in the end of the day, the numbers doesn't add up, EVERY TIME. Frustrating, but true.
I'm not saying that all those experiments and simulations are a waste of time. While walking that steep uphill path, you learn more and more - learning the hard way, by doing errors. You learn what mistakes you did, and then avoid those in later experiments and simulations. Unfortunatly for someone, the broken record plays the same track over and over. Makes the same mistakes over and over.
Just a fool repeats experiments that fail. You must think new every time, even if you don't have any good ideas left - then try the bad ideas untill you come up with something promising.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on November 30, 2018, 01:02:57 PM
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
I have noe clue about these simulators, but what I assume, is that those computer models use calculus to determine the outcome.
As long that calculator correctly states that 1+1=2, I cannot guarantee that you some day will be able to simulate a mechanical system that delivers over unity.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 01, 2018, 11:45:17 AM
To Low-Q
Hi Vidar,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
1) Well, there are three possibilities -- the described above Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive either (a) breaks only the law of conservation of linear momentum or (b) breaks only the law of conservation of mechanical energy or (c) breaks simultaneously both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy.
2) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum automatically leads to a comparatively simple mechanical reactionless drive machine, which (PLEASE NOTE!) has nothing to do with literally lifting yourself into the air by pulling your own hair -- only the ultimate effect would be the same 
2) You wrote that you have spent lots of time trying to crack the over unity code. In such a case let us work together and not compete. Let us find together an expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems and processes. (You and I are not experts in this field for sure.) 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on December 02, 2018, 12:41:45 AM
Well, George, I'm not actually competing. I just find such claims a little odd - the logic doesn't add quite up. By reactionless, I understand a force that does not need a reference. Say that you help a driver with his car by pushing it out of from a pile of snow. By "magic" you do not spend a calorie, but the car is still pushed away from the pile.
Then you realize that the car was hooked up on a tractor. The mistake was that you didn't noticed the tractor.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 12, 2018, 12:45:44 PM
To Low-Q.
Hi Vidar.
Thanks a lot for your reply. And here is my answer.
1) Actually I did not understand what exactly are you talking about in your last message. May be this is due to my insufficient qualification. But let us try another simple approach.
2) Assume that the black component is either fixed to the ground or its mass is much bigger than the mass of the blue component. Then after covering a certain number of zigzags the blue component will stop WITHOUT HEAT GENERATION as friction is zero (or small enough for the related experimental error to be neglected). This corresponds to the second experiment.
3) Let us now replace the black component zigzag sector with a straight-line sector which is rough enough and long enough. Then after covering a certain suitable length/part of the straight-line rough sector the blue component will also stop but this time WITH HEAT GENERATION. This corresponds to the first experiment.
4) If in items 2 and 3 the black component is either not fixed to the ground or its mass is not much bigger but comparable with the mass of the blue component, then in both cases after covering a certain number of zigzags (experiment 2) and after covering a certain length of the rough straight-line sector (experiment 1) the blue and black components will form together one united whole which will move with one and same final velocity. But in one case (corresponding to experiment 2) THERE IS NO HEAT GENERATION and in the other case (corresponding to experiment 1) THERE IS HEAT GENERATION. This enevitably leads to the conclusion that may be both the law of conseravation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously to some extent. And there is now only one step to designing and manufacturing a reactionless derive. (Let us call it for fun a "Baron Munchausen reactionless drive".)
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It's simple, isn't it?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 12, 2018, 12:58:56 PM

Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 18, 2018, 09:19:13 AM
And here is one even more understandable variation of the considerations related to the links  https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf and https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf.
1) Let us assume that the mass of the black component is m and the mass of the blue component is m too. The initial velocity of the blue component is Vo and its linear momentum is mVo respectively.
2) Let us consider only the zigzag experiment 2.
3) Firstly, let us consider what would happen if the zigzag channels are rough and there is friction. And secondly, let us consider what will happen if the zigzag channels are smooth and there is no friction.
4) The question is how many zigzags have to be covered by the blue component for both the black component and the blue component to form one united whole whose mass is 2m and whose velocity is Vo/2, and whose linear momentum is exactly (2m)(Vo/2).
5) The answer is surprisingly simple -- simple formulas and calculations have to be used only.
5A) For the first case -- rough zigzag channels. The blue component has to cover 5 zigzags for both the black component and the blue component to form one united whole whose mass is 2m and whose velocity is Vo/2, and whose linear momentum is (2m)(Vo/2) respectively. In this first case HEAT IS GENERATED.
5B) For the second case -- smooth zigzag channels. The same final results with the only difference that (1) the blue component has to cover 11 zigzags and (2) HEAT IS NOT GENERATED.
6) We chose a sine wave shape of the zigzag channels. But one can use any other zigzag-shaped curve.
7) For the calculations we used the following initial data.
7A) Force of friction = 1N (initial value); force of friction gradually decreases because it depends on the normal force (normal to the sine wave curve) which also decreases while the blue component moves in relation to the black component.   
7B) Coefficient of sliding friction = 0.5 = const.; it does not change while the blue component moves in relation to the black component.
7C) Sine wave maximum amplitude = 0.2 m.
7D) Vo = 1 m/s.
7E) m = 1 kg.
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How to explain the situation in a simpler manner?
IT IS EVIDENT that there is only one step from the above considerations to the designing and manufacturing of a comparatively simple  ENTIRELY mechanical reactionless drive machine.
Looking forward to the answers of all sceptics :) (who we actually consider as friends, associates and colleagues).
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 18, 2018, 09:42:25 AM
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 26, 2018, 04:25:41 PM
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum, who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 29, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum, who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 02, 2019, 10:51:51 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Best wishes to all members of this forum!
And I would like to ask again for support, partnership and collaboration:
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum, who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on January 02, 2019, 12:43:07 PM
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Best wishes to all members of this forum!
And I would like to ask again for support, partnership and collaboration:
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum, who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
Happy new year George!
I think your question doesn't get any response, but I have answered your question earlier - even if it wasn't exactly what you wanted.
If you want to simulate a mechanical setup, the professional way, any legit simulators out there does not allow over unity - simply because they take all physical and mathematical aspects into consideration that cannot allow a false answer to a calculation. It will, if all details about your zigzag-idea is put into the model, calculate zero output.


I have analyzed your zigzag-idea (Based on what I can uderstand frot it), but I cannot find anything in it which creates energy from nothing, or anything special, or surprizingly odd.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 06, 2019, 12:50:00 PM
Happy New Year, Vidar!
Thanks a lot for your reply. I would not agree with your opinion, but it's ok. It is normal different people to have different opinions.
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To all other colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share Vidar's opinion.
Please consider carefully the 10 items below that can be found by Google.
1) Physics engine -- Wikipedia.
2) Physics abstraction layer (PAL).
3) Dynamechs.
4) RigidChips.
5) Dynamical simulation -- Wikipedia.
6) Open dynamics engine.
7) Japanese rigid-body simulator.
8) Rigid-body simulator.
9) Rigid-body Dynamic Simulators.
10) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 15 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on January 06, 2019, 11:50:18 PM
 @George1,
 
Hi,
I'm an old timer. Been a very long time since my last post...
Nicely written paper! Very cleanly explained. Congratulations! However, I've stop reading at the very top of page 8: "The second result is that the blue T-shaped component decelerates..."
Why is it do you think it would decelerate? Would it? Why would it? I'm asking because I firmly believe it won't. In the absence of any friction (ideal case), it's the balls that accelerates instead. It will accelerate without any problem in the light of the assumption made at page 3, in the brackets: "For easier considerations further in the text you could assume that the masses of the two symmetrical couples blue rods - blue balls are equal to zero and can be neglected". Emphasis is on "are equal to zero", hence they do not require energy, nor momentum, to accelerate instantaneously.  The speed of T-shaped component will, therefore, remain constant. Having reached this point, I'm sorry to say that, imho, the rest of the paper does fall short on physics?


Waiting for your reply,

Best regards!
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 07, 2019, 01:01:35 PM
But if the speed of the T-shaped component remains constant, then this will lead to a severe violation of the two basic laws. No matter how many are the zigzags the T-shaped component's speed will be always constant and the T-shaped component will never stop. Did I understand you correctly?
(In my poor opinion the best solution is the use of a high-quality rigid-body simulator of the kind that is used in NASA, Boeing, Formula 1 etc.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards!
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on January 07, 2019, 02:24:37 PM
Yes, that is correct. In the absence of friction and zero ball masses, the T-shaped component's speed will be always constant, regardless of zigzags. There is no violations of any laws that I am aware of.
If you'll want to consider non-zero ball masses but also the absence of friction, the speed of T-shaped component will vary as per momentum and energy conservation laws, depending on the zigzags exact geometrical configuration but, in the end, when traveling straight again, the speed will revert back to the exact initial speed, regardless of zigzags. It's just slightly more complicated to solve but in essence I think you'll find out a solution close to a kind of jerky motion and nothing else of particular relevance.
That's how I see it.I'm sorry for the bad news.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on January 07, 2019, 07:01:12 PM
@tinu
That is pretty much what I figured out too.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 08, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
To Low-Q/Vidar and tinu.
Thanks a lot for your replies. I would not agree with your arguements because of several reasons. It will take too much time and space however to explain these reasons in detail. (Part of these reasons were explained in some of my previous posts.)  Anyway you both are free to have your own opinions and protect them. It's OK. My intuition tells me however that very soon you both will change your minds and you both will join our team. If so, you are welcome.
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To all other colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share present Vidar's and tinu's opinions.
Please consider carefully the 10 items below that can be found by Google.
1) Physics engine -- Wikipedia.
2) Physics abstraction layer (PAL).
3) Dynamechs.
4) RigidChips.
5) Dynamical simulation -- Wikipedia.
6) Open dynamics engine.
7) Japanese rigid-body simulator.
8) Rigid-body simulator.
9) Rigid-body Dynamic Simulators.
10) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 15 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 11, 2019, 01:14:29 PM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share present Vidar's and tinu's opinions.
Please consider carefully the links below.
1) https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_simulation_software
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PfAtth53bk
4) https://www.mathworks.com/products/simmechanics.html
5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_engine
6) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 20 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 16, 2019, 03:59:18 PM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share present Vidar's and tinu's opinions.
Please consider carefully the links below.
1) https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_simulation_software
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PfAtth53bk
4) https://www.mathworks.com/products/simmechanics.html
5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_engine
6) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 20 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 20, 2019, 10:40:47 AM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 23, 2019, 02:49:38 PM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 28, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 01, 2019, 09:59:29 AM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 02, 2019, 01:09:32 PM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 04, 2019, 09:10:26 AM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 10, 2019, 03:14:39 PM
Any comments, opinions, recommendations, objections? Any positive and constructive criticism is welcome.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 10, 2019, 03:15:15 PM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 12, 2019, 03:18:00 PM
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 19, 2019, 10:29:30 AM
Any comments, opinions, recommendations, related to our reactionless drive conception?
Looking forward to your answers.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on February 20, 2019, 10:18:22 AM
Instead of repeating yourself and annoying everyone with the same messages over and over, you can build this thing, and see how it works ;)


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 21, 2019, 10:15:49 AM
To Low-Q.
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Hi Vidar,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
1) Yes, you are right. As if I overdo the things a little. I am sorry for this.
2) Now we are working over a real experiment as well as over a computer simulation. But these two problems are not easy to be solved. Some help from any member of this forum would be always welcome.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,     
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on February 21, 2019, 11:48:30 AM

Starting with specific design on the drawing board is a good way to start. Drawings with specific details, such as size of parts, where to put them (how to assamble), what the parts are for, and what purpose they have. Choise of materials for each part.
3D drawings is easier to understand. Not many can understand 2D drawings and put those together in an imaginary 3D model, then visualize how it works.
You have some work to do, I suppose🙂


Vidar

To Low-Q.
---------------------
Hi Vidar,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
1) Yes, you are right. As if I overdo the things a little. I am sorry for this.
2) Now we are working over a real experiment as well as over a computer simulation. But these two problems are not easy to be solved. Some help from any member of this forum would be always welcome.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,     
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 21, 2019, 03:38:53 PM
A quote from Low-Q: "Starting with specific design on the drawing board is a good way to start. Drawings with specific details, such as size of parts, where to put them (how to assamble), what the parts are for, and what purpose they have. Choise of materials for each part.
3D drawings is easier to understand. Not many can understand 2D drawings and put those together in an imaginary 3D model, then visualize how it works.
You have some work to do, I suppose🙂"
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To Low-Q.
-----------------
Hi Vidar.
Thanks a lot for your reply and for your moral support. We highly appreciate this. And yes, you are right -- we have some work to do, that's true.
And one question, if you please. I can't understand these three sentences: "3D drawings is easier to understand. Not many can understand 2D drawings and put those together in an imaginary 3D model, then visualize how it works." Would you be so polite to give us some more detailed explanations?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 22, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
To Low-Q.
-----------------
Hi Vidar.
Why 3D is easier to understand than 2D? Isn't it just on the contrary?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on February 22, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
What I meant was draw the model in 3D, such as you do in Fusion 360 or Sketchup.


If you need help with design or wether it works or not, it is important to be VERY specific. Detailed drawings in 3D is very helpful.
Because ball-pen lines, some ripples/waves, a square here and there, maybe a circle somewhere on a piece of paper, does not make sense for many. Even if the text/explanations are there, it is not always easy to follow the explanation of the drawings.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 23, 2019, 12:45:23 PM
Hi Vidar,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Your last text is very interesting. I would need some time to formulate exactly a few questions. And what are Fusion 360 and Sketchup?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on February 23, 2019, 01:07:20 PM
Fusion 360 and Sketchup is computer software where you can modelling objects, put them together so you can sort of simulate a real model, turn it around on the computer screen so you can look at the model from any thinkable positions.
Search youtube for Fusion 360 modelling or Sketchup modelling. Then you see what purpose these softwares has🙂
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on February 23, 2019, 01:14:39 PM
Well, aside from my reply above, I have given your drawing an eyeball, and wonder about one thing.
The waveform, I assume is a hollow track, or two tracks close to each other, keeping a small rod or something on track as you move the piston back and forth.
The lines that goes in between the two vertical parallell lines, what are they supposed to do, except from bouncing up and down as you move the piston sideways?
It is somewat hard to keep track on a handwritten photographed description, in multiple pages in, a foreign language...
Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 25, 2019, 02:21:23 PM
To Low-Q/Vidar.
----------------------
Hi Vidar.
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Would you be so polite to formulate again your question(s)? I did not understand them entirely.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 25, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
To Low-Q/Vidar
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And thanks a lot for the information related to Fusion 360 and Sketchup.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 26, 2019, 09:09:48 AM
To Low-Q/Vidar
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It's not an easy job for an unexperienced man to work with Fusion 360 and with Sketchup. It will take some time to study and learn the basic skills.
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 27, 2019, 11:43:34 AM
To Low-Q/Vidar.
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There is some progress with these programs. But it will take time.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on February 27, 2019, 07:43:46 PM
Sounds great Geroge1.
These compotersimulations in 3D are powerful tools.
They do not only offer a full 3 dimension model, but you can make parts, assemble them on the computer. In this way you can easily see where you need adjustments or alternative fittings. Last, but not least, your model can be exported to a 3D printable version, and one day hold your computermodel in your hands. I do this all the time. Making parts on my 3D printer that I have made in SketchUp Make ( the free version of scetchup).


It is a steep learning curve at the beginning. I have recently got into Fusion 360, but after many years with SketchUp, I find it hard to "reset" my brain to handle Fusion 360 well.
I'll probably stick to SketchUp for now.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 01, 2019, 12:15:15 PM
To Low-Q.
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Hi Vidar.
Thank you for your reply.
1) Yes, SketchUp really seems to be more convenient. It is web-based and does not need downloading (as Fusion 360 does) which is, let's say, one of its primary advantages.
2) But as if neither SketchUp nor Fusion 360 have any options related to a possible details' motion. Or may be there are such options but being a non-expert I did not notice them? Please throw some light on this section of SketchUp and Fusion 360, if possible.
3) As I can see you are a top-expert in the field. So would you be so polite to think over the possibility to join our team and become our partner?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on March 01, 2019, 03:28:06 PM

Hi George1,


I have to think about the partnership. What does it involve? Finance, development, support, or what?
I cannot throw money after people. I can for sure help if you need some sketches, but do not expect me to be 100% dedicated to the partnership since I do have lots of other things to do - such as kids, other hobbies, a wife, a job etc.
I will not spend a second on contributions to developments of devices that obviously cannot work, such as closed looped gravity powered machines of all kinds, or electrical closed looped devices that is suposed to deliver excess energy.


I am more into magnetism, because that is a relatively wide field when you think about it. It is not directly compareable to gravity, even though the magnetic fields at any point is conservative, but it is the magnetic field gradient that looks interesting. What can we do with it? How can we displace magnetic materials, or other magnets, within a magnetic field gradient without effort? etc. This is the issues I work on right now (Actually for years without sucsess this far).


Speaking of SketchUp: It is not possible to animate functions of a model in SketchUp. To do this you need an expert level in VERY expensive and powerful computer tools.
What I do is designing a model in SketchUp, then 3D-print it as a model with parts that I put together, and test in real life. Computersimulations cannot provide proof. Most important, computersimulations use generic calculus to determine the outcome. That means you will never be able to simulate overunity on a computer.


Vidar

To Low-Q.
-----------------
Hi Vidar.
Thank you for your reply.
1) Yes, SketchUp really seems to be more convenient. It is web-based and does not need downloading (as Fusion 360 does) which is, let's say, one of its primary advantages.
2) But as if neither SketchUp nor Fusion 360 have any options related to a possible details' motion. Or may be there are such options but being a non-expert I did not notice them? Please throw some light on this section of SketchUp and Fusion 360, if possible.
3) As I can see you are a top-expert in the field. So would you be so polite to think over the possibility to join our team and become our partner?
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 10, 2019, 12:14:45 PM
To Low-Q.
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Hi Vidar.
Thank you for your reply.
My colleagues and I have been extremely busy for the last 7 days and because of this I could not answer your last letter.
About the partnership. Actually I have not an exact formula for this partnership. May be support and development? Or something else? Please suggest, if you like, some formula for partnership and collaboration of mutual benefit.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on March 10, 2019, 02:36:38 PM
Hi George,


I am willing to discuss projects with you. Just tell me how you prefer the communication. Open source, such as this forum, or in full secret.
Email, facebook, messenger, or what?


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 12, 2019, 09:38:57 AM
To Low-Q.
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Hi Vidar
Thank you for your reply.
Well, may be some part of our correspondence could be open source and some part could be secret. You have the email address of our group. It is written in my first post. Please write to our email address, if you like, and if you have some secret projects, which you don't want to reveale to public.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on March 12, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
To Low-Q.
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Hi Vidar
Thank you for your reply.
Well, may be some part of our correspondence could be open source and some part could be secret. You have the email address of our group. It is written in my first post. Please write to our email address, if you like, and if you have some secret projects, which you don't want to reveale to public.
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George   
OK. Thanks. I sent you an email from my gmail account just now.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 15, 2019, 03:09:14 PM
To Low-Q.
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Hi Vidar.
Thank you for your reply. I will enter our team's email address after a while.
Best regards,
George 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 16, 2019, 11:39:18 AM
Any comments, advices, recommendations, objections?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: aurelian on March 17, 2019, 01:42:00 AM
Is there any moderator on this forum who can approve new posts?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: hdeasy on March 19, 2019, 04:04:24 PM
Why don't you pay an engineer to make up your system and test it? That's what I have done for 6 or 7 prototypes at this stage using centrifugal force to propel reaction-lessly. Some of the prototypes shattered due to vibrations but they all gave the predicted forces. I won't show them as trying to develop in a startup company. I estimate yours would cost about 500 Euros with the firm I work with.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 26, 2019, 10:45:15 AM
Why don't you pay an engineer to make up your system and test it? That's what I have done for 6 or 7 prototypes at this stage using centrifugal force to propel reaction-lessly. Some of the prototypes shattered due to vibrations but they all gave the predicted forces. I won't show them as trying to develop in a startup company. I estimate yours would cost about 500 Euros with the firm I work with.
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This is a good advice. You have done 7 prototypes. Could you recommend me soe skillful engineer?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 30, 2019, 02:16:41 PM
Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 31, 2019, 05:21:08 PM
Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 08, 2019, 03:42:03 PM
Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 09, 2019, 01:35:16 PM
Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 10, 2019, 10:58:56 AM
Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 11, 2019, 12:55:06 PM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 15, 2019, 11:28:51 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 16, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 19, 2019, 10:06:12 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 20, 2019, 10:07:57 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 22, 2019, 08:48:01 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 23, 2019, 10:11:04 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 24, 2019, 10:07:31 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 25, 2019, 09:10:51 AM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 26, 2019, 02:05:07 PM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 27, 2019, 12:52:25 PM
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 30, 2019, 09:26:01 AM
It seems to me a paradox that there isn't at least one enthusiast in this forum who is ready to perform either a real or a computer-simulated experiment of the reactionless drive. I can't understand this. What happens here?
Regards,
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 02, 2019, 09:53:55 AM
Hi everyone
Very, very sad! No inventors-enthisiasts here?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 02, 2019, 03:06:16 PM
 Maybe that's because time and money are too precious to be wasted?!
There are enough enthusiasts here but I told you already that your idea is flawed. You may perform the real experiment by yourself by placing two laser pointers at the end of a rod in such a way that their emitted photons will be your zero-mass balls. Make the zig-zag pattern out of mirrors appropriately placed so as the laser is reflected back to the central rod where is to be absorbed on a black surface. Now you can move the rod back and forth and do your observations and measurements. I suggest you use a very low-amplitude pendulum movement for the rod by suspending it with stings under vacuum and then measure it's oscillation frequency, with lasers turned on then off. But I'd rather suggest you better keep studying physics as it would be more conclusive and beneficial in the long run.
Best regards!
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 03, 2019, 09:49:40 AM
Hi tinu,
Thank you for reply.
1) First of all it's evident that there is some kind of misunderstanding here. Nobody ever mentioned about zero-mass balls. The mass of each blue ball is, let's say, 1/100 the mass of the T-shaped blue component.
2) Your laser-based idea seems to be interesting. But how will you imitate the "ball+rod united whole" back-and-forth motion by using laser beams? We cannot understand this. It seems to be incompatible with our basic concept. Please explain your point of view in detail, if possible.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
       
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: hdeasy on May 03, 2019, 10:12:16 AM
I couldn't wade through the verbose exposition - reminds me of something from Bergson or Alfred Whitehead. Can you not summarize it in 2 or 3 sentences? The springs remind one of what is a truly reaction-less system - i.e.  http://www.inertialpropulsion.com/ . (http://www.inertialpropulsion.com/)
 Nothing like it thoguh, is it? (http://www.inertialpropulsion.com/)
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 04, 2019, 12:29:14 PM
Hi hdeasy,
Is there any friction between this machine and the horizontal surface?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 04, 2019, 12:31:24 PM
As if some four small wheels maintain the horizontal motion?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: hdeasy on May 04, 2019, 01:13:18 PM
Do you mean Steve's demo of his cart moving? Well some friction is there between wheels and surface but he maintains that a reaction-less force moves it forward without contact to the axle of the wheels. However, the movement is a bit jerky, which could be that he's using one way wheels. In this case the system would be reaction off the floor.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 06, 2019, 10:28:58 AM
Hi tinu,
Thank you for reply.
1) First of all it's evident that there is some kind of misunderstanding here. Nobody ever mentioned about zero-mass balls. The mass of each blue ball is, let's say, 1/100 the mass of the T-shaped blue component.
2) Your laser-based idea seems to be interesting. But how will you imitate the "ball+rod united whole" back-and-forth motion by using laser beams? We cannot understand this. It seems to be incompatible with our basic concept. Please explain your point of view in detail, if possible.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
     
Hi George1,

1. Nobody ever mentioned about zero-mass balls?!!! https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf Page 3, in the brackets: "For easier considerations further in the text you could assume that the masses of the two symmetrical couples blue rods - blue balls are equal to zero and can be neglected".  So, it seems the whole paper was written by somebody else, someone not part of 'your team', since you don't even remember what's about? I've only red it once, almost 4 months ago  and still remember what's written within while you obviously don't know it even at this time...
So, who actually wrote the paper? Please tell him/her/them, that the paper is plain wrong (starting with page 8 ) and please forward to him/her/them my previous post of January 6th.

2. You absolutely need a blue laser, since the rods and balls are blue in the concept paper you posted. Otherwise, the whole experiment might fail. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will fail. So, if you don't have a blue laser to emit blue photons acting as blue balls, you may quickly rewrite the paper according to the laser wavelength you have available, in an attempt to save the situation.  For instance, you may try red rods and red balls, if you have a red laser readily available. Yes, it seems my idea is hard to understood, isn't it? I'm glad you find it interesting, tough.
Point 2 was a joke, obviously, for those wandering. But since we're wasting time here, why not?

Best regards.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 06, 2019, 11:33:24 AM
Hi guys,
Let us focus again on the zigzag design as described in the first post of this topic.
-----------------------------------
1) What will happen if:
a) the mass of the blue component is SMALLER than the mass of the black component;
b) the mass of the blue component is EQUAL to the mass of the black component;
c) the mass of the blue component is BIGGER than the mass of the black component.
-----------------------------------
2) And one modification of the main concept.
-----------------------------------
Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the zigzag channel section the blue component will decelerate. What will be the value of this deceleration d and how it will depend on the number of the zigzags? After how many zigzags for example the velocity of the blue component will be 3/4 its initial velocity Vo? Or, let's say, 1/2?
-----------------------------------
And one more question. It is evident that if the blue component enters the zigzag channel section, then the black component exerts force Fc on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of Fc coincides with the direction of Vo. What will be the mean value of Fc for example? Or its maximum and minimum? 
-----------------------------------
So can somebody calculate the values of the deceleration d and of the force Fc for all of us in this forum? It is evident that both d and Fc are bigger than zero ( d > 0 and Fc > 0), but it will be a nice job if some formulas are derived.
(Note. Friction is negligible and the shape of the zigzag channel could be for example an ordinary standard sinusoid. (Or any other curve, if more convenient.))
-----------------------------------
Looking forward to your answers.
-----------------------------------
George     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 07, 2019, 08:57:02 AM
Hi guys,
Some calculations and/or opinions related to our last post?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 08, 2019, 11:38:56 AM
Hi guys,
Any calculated values for Fc and/or for d?
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 08, 2019, 12:41:19 PM
 Yes, I'm working on it!
It goes quite slowly. So far I have a report but it's 800 pages long...  ::)
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 08, 2019, 01:32:28 PM
OK, we are waiting!
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 08, 2019, 01:39:53 PM
Hi tinu,
You petrify me again, my friend! As if you are a highly-qualified expert in electrochemistry as well as in theoretical and applied mechanics too! You are genius! :D
(Please don't be angry again -- I am only joking! :D)
Looking forward to your calculations related to Fc and d.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 09, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
Hi guys,
Let us focus again on the zigzag design as described in the first post of this topic.
-----------------------------------
1) What will happen if:
a) the mass of the blue component is SMALLER than the mass of the black component;
b) the mass of the blue component is EQUAL to the mass of the black component;
c) the mass of the blue component is BIGGER than the mass of the black component.
-----------------------------------
2) And one modification of the main concept.
-----------------------------------
Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the zigzag channel section the blue component will decelerate. What will be the value of this deceleration d and how it will depend on the number of the zigzags? After how many zigzags for example the velocity of the blue component will be 3/4 its initial velocity Vo? Or, let's say, 1/2?
-----------------------------------
And one more question. It is evident that if the blue component enters the zigzag channel section, then the black component exerts force Fc on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of Fc coincides with the direction of Vo. What will be the mean value of Fc for example? Or its maximum and minimum? 
-----------------------------------
So can somebody calculate the values of the deceleration d and of the force Fc for all of us in this forum? It is evident that both d and Fc are bigger than zero ( d > 0 and Fc > 0), but it will be a nice job if some formulas are derived.
(Note. Friction is negligible and the shape of the zigzag channel could be for example an ordinary standard sinusoid. (Or any other curve, if more convenient.))
-----------------------------------
Looking forward to your answers.
-----------------------------------
George     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 09, 2019, 11:12:57 AM
Hi tinu,
Waiting for your calculations related to the zigzag system.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 10, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
Hi guys,
Please have a look again at the first post of ours in this topic. Let us make the following comparison. (We will repeat some parts of our previous posts.)
============================
1) Please have a look at Fig. 4, Fig. 5, Fig. 5A and Fig. 6.
--------------------------------------------------
1A) THERE IS NO FRICTION. (Modern technologies allow to reduce practically as much as you want the experimental error, related to friction.)
--------------------------------------------------
1B) Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the zigzag channel section the blue component will decelerate. And it is also evident that the deceleration d (its absolute value and its mean value) will be bigger than zero, that is, d > 0.
--------------------------------------------------
1C) It is evident that if the blue component enters the zigzag channel section, then the black component exerts force Fc on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of Fc coincides with the direction of Vo. It is also evident that the force Fc (its absolute value and its mean value) is bigger than zero, that is, Fc > 0.
============================
2) Please have a look at Fig. 1, Fig. 2, Fig. 2A and Fig. 3.
--------------------------------------------------
2A) THERE IS FRICTION in the linear channel s-segment section.
--------------------------------------------------
2B) Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the linear channel s-segment section the blue component will decelerate. And it is also evident that the deceleration d' (its absolute value and its mean value) will be bigger than zero, that is, d' > 0.
--------------------------------------------------
2C) It is evident that if the blue component enters the linear channel s-segment section, then the black component exerts force F'c on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of F'c coincides with the direction of Vo. It is also evident that the force F'c (its absolute value and its mean value) is bigger than zero, that is, F'c > 0.
============================
3) Please compare item 1 with item 2. It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0. Therefore it is evident that zigzags successfully imitate resistance, which is identical to friction, but without generating heat. And if we use this simple fact in the experiments, described in Figs. 1 - 6, then we can conclude again that:
a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is not correct;
b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct;
c) both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously.
============================
Let us stress upon the fact that IN GENERAL both the law of conservation of mechanical energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are absolutely true and correct. There is no doubt about this. But any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing special, disturbing and tragic in this fact.
--------------------------------------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George 




Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 11, 2019, 01:11:59 PM
Any comments, suggestions, opinions?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 14, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Hi guys,
As if the theoretical conception in the first post of ours in this topic is most probably a small exception of the law of conservation of linear momentum. But please note -- I wrote "MOST PROBBALY" and NOT "SURELY". Please have a look again at item 3 of our penultimate post. Which one of its sub-items (a), (b) and (c) is correct? We hope that some colleagues here will help to clarify this question.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 14, 2019, 08:03:35 PM
... most probably a small exception of the law of conservation of linear momentum
is nowhere to be found but in your head!

...But please note -- I wrote "MOST PROBBALY" and NOT "SURELY".
Noted. Most probably, like it's been said above.

Which one of its sub-items (a), (b) and (c) is correct?
Each and every of (a), (b) and (c) is wrong, also a brilliant sample of pure gibberish.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 15, 2019, 09:26:59 AM
tinu,
Did you take your medicine this morning?
You are a pathological hater. You are a sick man. You really need a doctor. And I am absolutely sure that you are sending your posts from the psychiatry section of a hospital.

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 15, 2019, 09:54:03 AM
No arguments on topic?
 
Being uneducated might be somewhat excusable but being rude is your best choice? Really, George? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaZDwIKYF4w
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 15, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
Hi tinu,
Ok, ok, my friend! :D I will not argue with you. You are free to have your own opinion and protect it. It's ok!
Don't worry and be happy! :D
Regards,
George
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 15, 2019, 12:04:08 PM
Hi guys,
A friend from another OU forum gives an interesting idea. He suggests the zigzag rounded curves to be replaced with sharp zigzag forms similar to saw teeth.  In this case, he says, the possible violation-of-the-two-conservation-laws effect would be as if even much greater. What do you think about his suggestion?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 15, 2019, 03:29:48 PM
Any opinions related to the saw-teeth zigzag model suggested by the colleague from a similar to ours OU website? (Please have a look at our last post.) His suggestion seems to be interesting.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM
Hi guys,
I am re-sending again our post of May 10, 2019, 10:14:09 AM. This post as if most clearly supports the validity of our basic concept.
============================
============================
Please have a look again at the first post of ours in this topic. Let us make the following comparison. (We will repeat some parts of our previous posts.)
============================
1) Please have a look at Fig. 4, Fig. 5, Fig. 5A and Fig. 6.
--------------------------------------------------
1A) THERE IS NO FRICTION. (Modern technologies allow to reduce practically as much as you want the experimental error, related to friction.)
--------------------------------------------------
1B) Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the zigzag channel section the blue component will decelerate. And it is also evident that the deceleration d (its absolute value and its mean value) will be bigger than zero, that is, d > 0.
--------------------------------------------------
1C) It is evident that if the blue component enters the zigzag channel section, then the black component exerts force Fc on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of Fc coincides with the direction of Vo. It is also evident that the force Fc (its absolute value and its mean value) is bigger than zero, that is, Fc > 0.
============================
2) Please have a look at Fig. 1, Fig. 2, Fig. 2A and Fig. 3.
--------------------------------------------------
2A) THERE IS FRICTION in the linear channel s-segment section.
--------------------------------------------------
2B) Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the linear channel s-segment section the blue component will decelerate. And it is also evident that the deceleration d' (its absolute value and its mean value) will be bigger than zero, that is, d' > 0.
--------------------------------------------------
2C) It is evident that if the blue component enters the linear channel s-segment section, then the black component exerts force F'c on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of F'c coincides with the direction of Vo. It is also evident that the force F'c (its absolute value and its mean value) is bigger than zero, that is, F'c > 0.
============================
3) Please compare item 1 with item 2. It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0. Therefore it is evident that zigzags successfully imitate resistance, which is identical to friction, but without generating heat. And if we use this simple fact in the experiments, described in Figs. 1 - 6, then we can conclude again that:
a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is not correct;
b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct;
c) both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously.
============================
Let us stress upon the fact that IN GENERAL both the law of conservation of mechanical energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are absolutely true and correct. There is no doubt about this. But any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing special, disturbing and tragic in this fact.
--------------------------------------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 16, 2019, 12:46:26 PM
Please stop this crap already, will you? If you can't come with experimental results better stfu!
And stop spamming us again and again with your nonsense!
Can you understand this is a public forum or you're simply retard?
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 16, 2019, 01:37:10 PM
tinu,
You did not take your medicine again this morning. I will talk to your doctor to forbid you to write in this forum and take away your computer. You are dangerous for you yourself and for the others.
May be you have to change the medicine? Because obviously the medicine you are taking is not effective enough.       
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 16, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
George,

 I see you insist with repeated ad-hominem. You won't stay long here with your insults, you little prick.
 
Tell me this: your character is abject, your education is poor, your western culture is almost non-existent and your inclination is clearly toward lying and cheating yet your English is pretty good. Add a high ego and no manners whatsoever. You must come from a former imperial colony, aren't you?
 
Anyway, I promise you: any time I'll have a spare minute, I'll sign in to smack in your face, moron!
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 16, 2019, 03:13:14 PM
tinu,
All members of this forum already see clearly that you are mad and dangerous. There is no doubt about this. How to have a dialogue with a mad person?
(I would like to appologise to all other members of this forum for my inappropriate words above. But there is no other way for communication with such people like tinu.) 
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 16, 2019, 08:43:46 PM
 George,

Haven't I just told you I'll not allow any more impunities?
Is it I was not clear enough or you're really retard?!
Wait for my reply. It will come shortly, as soon as I'll make some time to waste on you.
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: tinu on May 16, 2019, 09:11:54 PM
... we can conclude again that:
a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is not correct;
This assertion is plain stupid. Linear momentum is always conserved. There is no exception.

...we can conclude again that:
b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct;
 
This assertion is plain stupid. In a closed system where there are no dissipative forces (as per your assumptions),  mechanical energy is always conserved. There is no exception.
 
...we can conclude again that:
c) both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously.
This assertion is DOUBLE stupid. Both mechanical energy and linear momentum are always conserved. There is no exception.

Let us stress upon the fact that IN GENERAL both the law of conservation of mechanical energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are absolutely true and correct. There is no doubt about this. But any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing special, disturbing and tragic in this fact.
This assertion is the most stupid sample one can read. Laws in physics have no exceptions! A single exception, if identified, would completely invalidate the law!

So George, why don't you go educate yourself a little more before coming here to insult people? If you need links and free books for your education, I can help.
Or, if you prefer, focus you attention to other kind of rules (traffic maybe) where, of course, there can be exceptions.

Please come back only when you're sufficiently enlightened and meanwhile refrain yourself from posting absurdities!


Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 17, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
tinu,
1) If you lived at the time of the three musketeers in France, then you should kill tens of people! :D (I am joking, Professor No-man -- please don't be angry again!):D 
2) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." Any objections against this last claim?

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 18, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
Hi guys,
Any comments, suggestions, opinions related to our post of May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM and to the related item 2 of our last post?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 25, 2019, 06:26:52 PM
Hi guys,
Any comments, suggestions, opinions related to our post of May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on June 02, 2019, 02:13:29 PM
Hi guys,
Let us resume our almost-one-year-lasting discussion.
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1) The two supporting points of our basic concept are our two posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0. Therefore it is evident that zigzags successfully imitate resistance, which is identical to friction, but without generating heat.
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2) It follows from the previous item 1 that it is perfectly possible to design and manufacture a reactionless drive of an entirely new kind. The principle of operation of this new kind of reactionless drive (a) is described in detail in our two posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM and (b) is absolutely free.
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3) In order to work properly however the above mentioned new kind of reactionless drive needs a a reliable and effective motor system.
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4) The modern technology trend is related to electric vehicles -- electric cars, trucks, airplanes, drones, boats, bicycles, etc.
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5) So we are suggesting a revolutionary electric technology which increases (twice as a minimum and more than 25 times as a maximum) the distance travelled by a standard electric vehicle on a single charge. (Please have a look at our first post of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM.) Our revolutionary electric technology is cheap, safe and reliable and can be successfully used in combination with the new kind of reactionless drive as well as in combination with any type of a standard now-existing electric vehicle.
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6) We are selling our revolutionary electric technology for 10 (ten) million dollars. Money first and only then releasing of the technology description/information accompanied by a working experimental device.
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7) And we changed our minds. We decided to use 5 million dollars for R&D work and 5 million dollars for charity, that is, every second dollar of this 10 million dollars price will be used for charity.
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Looking forward to your answer.
George
 
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on June 09, 2019, 05:09:06 PM
Looking for a buyer of our revolutionary electric technology which is able to increase (twice as a minimum and more than 25 times as a maximum) the distance traveled by a standard electric vehicle on a single charge.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on June 14, 2019, 01:23:31 PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20071119131255/http://www.trinitymotors.net/https://web.archive.org/web/20040607160343/http://www.trinitymotors.net/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20071119131255/http://www.trinitymotors.net/https://web.archive.org/web/20040607160343/http://www.trinitymotors.net/)
An historic breaktrough ( their words ::) )

The "PowerMax"
A generator-motor~ rotoverter concept
https://web.archive.org/web/20040607173348/http://www.trinitymotors.net/pressreleases.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20040607173348/http://www.trinitymotors.net/pressreleases.htm)"dormant windings" awaking

Similar:
http://www.geminielectricmotor.com/default.htm (http://www.geminielectricmotor.com/default.htm)"... the electricity generated by this third field could be used to recharge...... "

Both +/- calculation :100 electric units in and magnetic force out + 30 electric units for recharge


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=Tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=)

From battery 20 electric units to inverter to Tanaka Saburo device makes 100 electric units to
PowerMax or Geminielectricmotor ....... and 30 electric units for battery recharge .

   SURPLUS ENERGY CYCLE


"open source" technology: for electric vehicles( land,sub-/sea,air),  heat pumps/chiller, fridges, pumps,.........

Alternatively:
PowerMax or Geminielectricmotor

and this Dr. Imris battery recharge concept, since 31.03.2019 free/ open source :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&bcId=2&locale=en_EP&return=true&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&bcId=2&locale=en_EP&return=true&FT=D&date=20190328&CC=DE&NR=112017003611A5&KC=A5#)
Dr. Imris generative device ~ Tanaka Saburo device

THE 1 eWATT( and less) PER KILOMETER CHALLENGE;:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20001020&CC=FR&NR=2792258A1&KC=A1#)
2000 Wh per 100 Kilometer

A. + 4x PowerMax / Geminielectricmotor + Saburo


B. Alternatively:

4x 500 Watt
https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet (https://www.voanews.com/silicon-valley-technology/can-better-electric-motor-save-planet)
1000 Wh per 100 Kilometer

4x
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462 (https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11462or)

or Dr.Imris/ Tanaka Saburo generator/amplifier
200-100 Wh per 100 Kilometer =

                                                 1 eWATT PER KILOMETER
and optional :
https://www.interpatent.de/unsere_innovationen_strom_aus_der_federung_en.html (https://www.interpatent.de/unsere_innovationen_strom_aus_der_federung_en.html)
--------------------------------------

                           3d micro- modelling for surplus energy cycles
1. https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=JP&NR=2007028879A&KC=A#)
+ PowerMax or Geminielectricmotor  or inverter/ converter
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on June 15, 2019, 09:41:18 AM
Hi lancaIV,
Hi dear friend,
It's a real pleasure to correspond with you! You are a great expert! (No flattering -- I really think what I am writing!) 
Please give me some time to consider carefully your last post.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on June 15, 2019, 10:12:41 AM
Hi guys,
1) We are selling a revolutionary electric technology for 10 (ten) million dollars. Our revolutionary electric technology increases (twice as a minimum and more than 25 times as a maximum) the distance traveled by a standard now-existing electric vehicle on a single charge. Our revolutionary electric technology is cheap, safe and reliable and is practically ready for production on a large industrial scale. There is a working prototype/experimental device.
2) In addition to our revolutionary electric technology we reveal ABSOLUTELY FREE the secret of the principle of operation of a revolutionary reactionless drive -- just like Baron Munchasen who lifted himself up by pulling his own hair. Please look at our two basic posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM.
3) The combination of the previous item 1 and item 2 would lead inevitably to an unique reactionless propulsion vehicle -- no transmissions, no propellers, no high-velocity hot gases, no high-temperature resistant materials, no high-pressure resistant materials, no sophisticated design and no sophisticated technology and NO POLLUTION(!), but only a simple electromechanical system, able to cover effectively great distances.
Looking forward to your answer.
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on June 16, 2019, 06:28:17 PM

Hi George,
I thought this was an open source forum. Selling stuff might be better elsewhere ;)
10 million dollars isn't cheap, btw, but why are you selling it?
Does it work?
Is it tested backwards, forwards, up and down, so you are sure this technology works?


I haven't looked through all the posts in this thread, but if this is some overunity stuff, you should be 110% sure it works.
Most important, when selling something wonderful, with a high price tag, you need to expose the inner workings. Let independent people examine your machine in full.


People has been fooled too many times on claimed overunity devices, nobody will buy it unless you can prove beyond doubt that it works. That means long time operation without input energy. We talk about weeks or months of continous operation, with no human interference or energy inputs of any kind.


Vidar

Hi guys,
1) We are selling a revolutionary electric technology for 10 (ten) million dollars. Our revolutionary electric technology increases (twice as a minimum and more than 25 times as a maximum) the distance traveled by a standard now-existing electric vehicle on a single charge. Our revolutionary electric technology is cheap, safe and reliable and is practically ready for production on a large industrial scale. There is a working prototype/experimental device.
2) In addition to our revolutionary electric technology we reveal ABSOLUTELY FREE the secret of the principle of operation of a revolutionary reactionless drive -- just like Baron Munchasen who lifted himself up by pulling his own hair. Please look at our two basic posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM.
3) The combination of the previous item 1 and item 2 would lead inevitably to an unique reactionless propulsion vehicle -- no transmissions, no propellers, no high-velocity hot gases, no high-temperature resistant materials, no high-pressure resistant materials, no sophisticated design and no sophisticated technology and NO POLLUTION(!), but only a simple electromechanical system, able to cover effectively great distances.
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Acca on June 21, 2019, 01:15:17 PM
Clip from Russian space station a Reaction-less puller..
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PNclxVYBuD1BkBOaGlndyjulHc_coNvb/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PNclxVYBuD1BkBOaGlndyjulHc_coNvb/view)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5RnjeTvuNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5RnjeTvuNk)
The anti-gravity engine of Leonova <ins><ins><ins></ins></ins></ins>Speaking of a quantum engine, Vladimir Leonov does not mean the classical scheme of a photon engine, where thrust is created by annihilation of matter and antimatter. The scientist, working on new physics, creates devices that work on the basis of the elasticity of space and energy of gravitational waves. Unfortunately, the army of scientists tries not to touch upon similar topics, and continues to improve what is already hopelessly outdated. In order to clarify the necessity of transition to new principles of motion in space, it suffices to say that the specific impulse of modern carrier rockets is only twice that of the rocket of Werner von Braun. That is, the physical limit of liquid rocket engines has been reached. Nuclear engines are dangerous, and electric engines have a low thrust and are not suitable for starting from the Earth. This is why Leonov's anti-gravity engine is so important. In case of successful implementation of the project, engineering and technology are awaited by incredible transformations, which can not even be imagined. Suffice it to say that with a quantum engine, a spacecraft will reach the Moon in three and a half hours, and Mars in just two days ...Sound signals should sound immediately. The initial and final state of the system looks exactly the same, and yet we have extracted energy from the system. This is, at last, an eternal machine, which everyone dreams about? To solve this paradox, we must carefully study each of the individual operations. The laws of physics for any closed system are reversible, and therefore our approach is to locate the one that hides an irreversible operation. Obvious candidates are the process of measurement or, perhaps, the installation of a shutter or piston.


 
https://housepic.ru/en/antigravity-engine-development-russia-successfully-tested-the-antigravity-engine-of-the-lion.html (https://housepic.ru/en/antigravity-engine-development-russia-successfully-tested-the-antigravity-engine-of-the-lion.html)





 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on June 23, 2019, 02:45:54 PM
Hi guys,
--------------------
1) We are selling a revolutionary electric technology for 10 (ten) million dollars. Our revolutionary electric technology increases (twice as a minimum and more than 25 times as a maximum) the distance traveled by a standard now-existing electric vehicle on a single charge. Our revolutionary electric technology is cheap, safe and reliable and is practically ready for production on a large industrial scale. There is a working prototype/experimental device.
--------------------
2) In addition to our revolutionary electric technology we reveal ABSOLUTELY FREE the secret of the principle of operation of a revolutionary reactionless drive -- just like Baron Munchasen who lifted himself up by pulling his own hair. Please look at our two basic posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM.
AND VERY IMPORTANT -- THE PRINCIPLE OF OPERATION OF OUR REVOLUTIONARY REACTIONLESS DRIVE MUST BE EVALUATED ONLY BY HIGHLY QUALIFIED EXPERTS IN THEORETICAL AND APPLIED MECHANICS! 
--------------------
3) The combination of the previous item 1 and item 2 would lead inevitably to an unique reactionless propulsion vehicle -- no transmissions, no propellers, no high-velocity hot gases, no high-temperature resistant materials, no high-pressure resistant materials, no sophisticated design and no sophisticated technology and NO POLLUTION(!), but only a simple electromechanical system, able to cover effectively great distances.
--------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Acca on June 23, 2019, 06:52:14 PM
You should at least show a photo of this 10 million dollar machine ...
As to why you are posting this here as this overunity forum is to reverse engineer your type of machine ?
 ...and the principle of operation.. as we don't want anything that is just another radioactive Harold Coleman power generator..


Acca...


Ps I want only 5 million for my method of accelerating time .."machine"..I have to sell it as I am old..



Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Acca on June 23, 2019, 07:38:58 PM
Soo... I forgot to ask you if this technology is stolen Russian reaction-less device by Vladimir Leonov as shown in the ISS clip..  I posted the link on the previous page as Leonov just uploaded the clip two days ago on his youtube channel..  I think that this is soo..  You have to really by honest here as Russians already have the unit in gravity-less ISS and doing engineering application based experiments for the uni-directional drive..


So unless you can prove your claim with photos the Russians have patents already and disclosed this method..


However Americans are still debating if it is even possible to have uni-directional thrust with no counter reaction..


Sooo ...too bad as this is 100 times more efficient and like Robert Cook described this in his book "The death or rocketry" in the 1980's  and patent..The cat is now out of the brown paper bag.. and you are now on the sidelines..


Acca.. 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on June 29, 2019, 10:21:37 AM
Hi Acca,
Hi Low-Q/Vidar,
Thank you for your replies.
The links you have sent to us have nothing to do with our technologies and conceptions. But these links are very interesting and we need some time to consider them carefully.
George 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 02, 2019, 09:07:07 AM
To Acca and Low-Q/Vidar.
--------------------------------
Hi guys,
1) We considered carefully the last links that have been sent. As mentioned in our last post our technologies and conceptions have nothing to do with these links, i.e., our technologies and conceptions have nothing to do with antigravity and quantum energetics. We describe only a simple mechanical system consisting of four simpe mechanical components. As for the clip, describing the Russian reactionless puller, we suspect that this is some kind of pneumatic system which uses for support the air inside the cabin and actually this is not a reactionless puller.
2) And what is your opinion about our two posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM? Zigzags imitate resistance, identical to friction, but without generating heat, don't they?
Looking forward to your answer.
George     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on July 02, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
To Acca and Low-Q/Vidar.
--------------------------------
Hi guys,
1) We considered carefully the last links that have been sent. As mentioned in our last post our technologies and conceptions have nothing to do with these links, i.e., our technologies and conceptions have nothing to do with antigravity and quantum energetics. We describe only a simple mechanical system consisting of four simpe mechanical components. As for the clip, describing the Russian reactionless puller, we suspect that this is some kind of pneumatic system which uses for support the air inside the cabin and actually this is not a reactionless puller.
2) And what is your opinion about our two posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM? Zigzags imitate resistance, identical to friction, but without generating heat, don't they?
Looking forward to your answer.
George     
The only force that somewhat imitate friction is a constant acceleration of mass, but then you gain kinetic energy as the velocity increase.
The "friction" you talk about does not involve any increase of kinetic energy due to mass acceleration, so therefor the friction must cause heat.


So, to answer your last question, the zigzags generate heat if you cannot recover 100% of the "friction" to do useful work.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 03, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
To Low-Q/Vidar
---------------------------
Hi Vidar,
You greatly disappoint me, my friend!
You have written: "The only force that somewhat imitate friction is a constant acceleration of mass, but then you gain kinetic energy as the velocity increase.
The "friction" you talk about does not involve any increase of kinetic energy due to mass acceleration, so therefor the friction must cause heat. So, to answer your last question, the zigzags generate heat if you cannot recover 100% of the "friction" to do useful work." There is no sense in this composition of words. This is for example something like the following sentence: " The Moon is black and it walks around the green tree." Grammatically correct, but absurd.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 03, 2019, 02:39:05 PM
To Low-Q/Vidar
---------------------------
Hi Vidar,
You greatly disappoint me, my friend!
You have written: "The only force that somewhat imitate friction is a constant acceleration of mass, but then you gain kinetic energy as the velocity increase. The "friction" you talk about does not involve any increase of kinetic energy due to mass acceleration, so therefor the friction must cause heat. So, to answer your last question, the zigzags generate heat if you cannot recover 100% of the "friction" to do useful work." There is no sense in this composition of words. This is for example something like the following sentence: " The Moon is black and it walks around the green tree." Grammatically correct, but absurd.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 03, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
I don't know why my last post has been sent two times in a row. I am not responsible for this.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on July 03, 2019, 02:48:53 PM
To Low-Q/Vidar
---------------------------
Hi Vidar,
You greatly disappoint me, my friend!
You have written: "The only force that somewhat imitate friction is a constant acceleration of mass, but then you gain kinetic energy as the velocity increase. The "friction" you talk about does not involve any increase of kinetic energy due to mass acceleration, so therefor the friction must cause heat. So, to answer your last question, the zigzags generate heat if you cannot recover 100% of the "friction" to do useful work." There is no sense in this composition of words. This is for example something like the following sentence: " The Moon is black and it walks around the green tree." Grammatically correct, but absurd.
George
Sorry for disapointing you. I hope you can provide an understandable explanation to why the zig-zag does not loose energy to heat, and why friction, per definition, doesn't create heat.
My purpose was not to disappoint you, but putting down my thoughts on the subject.
Mechanical systems follows mechanical physics. There is no workaround to avoid a physical device to violate its physical nature.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 03, 2019, 03:05:00 PM
Vidar,
1) But you haven't read at all the two posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. PLEASE READ THEM CAREFULLY!
2) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." Any objections against this last claim?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on July 04, 2019, 12:30:20 AM
Vidar,
1) But you haven't read at all the two posts of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. PLEASE READ THEM CAREFULLY!
2) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." Any objections against this last claim?
George
What's written is one thing. How your device work in real life is another thing.
I strongly believe it is smart to do the practice first, then figure out how it works. Anyone can write down ones ideas, claims, etc, but that does not prove anything.


For 10 million dollars, you really need to prove your claims. The one and only way to do that, is to build the thing, and exmine how it works - not only by you, but by independent people without influence of the inventor. Avoiding anything that would possibly bias the examiners work and results.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 04, 2019, 10:28:14 AM
Hi guys,
------------------------------
1) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
------------------------------
2) Because the lack of objections inevitably leads to a generation of a violation/exception of the rule/law of conservation of linear momentum. (I will remind again that any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact.)
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3) Previous item 2 inevitably leads on its behalf to a possibility of designing and manufacturing of a reactionless drive.
------------------------------
How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
George
=================
P.S. To Vidar. Firstly, (1) our reactionless drive conception and (2) our revolutionary electric technology are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Secondly, as far as I can see you have no objections against the claim of item 1. Thirdly, if you have 10 million dollars, then we could start negotiating about our electric technology. And fourthly, the reactionless drive motor could be either (a) some kind of electric technology or (b) an internal combustion engine or (c) a steam engine or (d) a steam turbine combined with some nuclear device for example, etc. (You can even integrate the reactionless drive with some bycicle-like device and use your muscle power.) And at last, you, Sven and I are viking descendants and we have to support each other and not to confront.         



Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on July 05, 2019, 11:21:58 PM
.......... And at last, you, Sven and I are viking descendants and we have to support each other and not to confront.         
Supporting each other is not the same as agreeing to everything. Confrontations are something else I think - like something that happend when the vikings boarded the northern shore of Scotland and took with them the most beautiful nuns back to Norway...


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 06, 2019, 11:56:28 AM
Hi Vidar,
A) Yes, you are right about the words "support'" and "confront" -- I did not use them in the most suitable way.
===================
B) But let us get back to the essence of this discussion. I am sending again the text of one of our last posts.
===================
1) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
------------------------------
2) Because the lack of objections inevitably leads to a generation of a violation/exception of the rule/law of conservation of linear momentum. (I will remind again that any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact.)
------------------------------
3) Previous item 2 inevitably leads on its behalf to a possibility of designing and manufacturing of a reactionless drive.
===================
How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
------------------------------
Do you agree with items 1, 2 and 3?
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 14, 2019, 02:29:07 PM
Some idiots try to imitate us coppying the name of our topic. Please don't pay attention to their writings.
George 1 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 14, 2019, 02:36:43 PM
Please don't pay attention to the writings of that old cheater whose name is losiledlighting. The latter has nothing to do with us.
George 1
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on July 17, 2019, 12:32:53 AM
Hi Vidar,
A) Yes, you are right about the words "support'" and "confront" -- I did not use them in the most suitable way.
===================
B) But let us get back to the essence of this discussion. I am sending again the text of one of our last posts.
===================
1) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
------------------------------
2) Because the lack of objections inevitably leads to a generation of a violation/exception of the rule/law of conservation of linear momentum. (I will remind again that any rule/law has its exceptions and there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact.)
------------------------------
3) Previous item 2 inevitably leads on its behalf to a possibility of designing and manufacturing of a reactionless drive.
===================
How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
------------------------------
Do you agree with items 1, 2 and 3?
Looking forward to your answer.
George
I can't agree with item 1, 2 or 3 unless you have experimental results that confirms the hypothetis.
Any idea or hypothetis is often biased, meaning that the idea feels so right, one can't see the error in it.
I do not say there is an error in your hypothetis, but the possibility for an error that you will discover when you tests the hypothetis in pratice, is there.
Besides, the explanation written May 10.th, and repeated May 16.th is not refering to figures that is easily accessable from the page where the explanation is written.
That makes it time consuming to follow.


Make some precise building plans, follow the plans, and build it. Untill then, I cannot comment any further.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 18, 2019, 05:51:12 PM
Well, you are a stubborn colleague Norseman! :)
OK, let us start again. Starting again with item 1.
---------------------------
1) Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
---------------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on July 28, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
---------------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on August 03, 2019, 02:36:06 PM
Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
----------------------------
1) As far as we can see there aren't any objections against this last claim. Besides a simple experiment, which was repeated many times, confirmed the validity of Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0. We developed an entirely new and original technology able to decrease standard sliding friction hundreds (and even thousands) of times thus reducing hundreds (and even thousands) of times experimental error due to friction. (In principle modern technologies allow reducing of friction practically as much as you want thus reducing as much as you want the experimental error due to friction.)
----------------------------
2) Our general intention is to suggest to the audience an electro-mechanical reactionless drive without any pollution.The secret of the principle of operation of the mechanical component of the system has been already revealed ABSOLUTELY FREE in this topic. The electrical component of the system however is not free an we sell it for 10 (ten) million dollars.
And here is our key business proposal. It is evident that most members of this forum are creative persons of non-standard and original way of thinking. (Not a flattery, but a true real fact.) If a certain member of this forum manages to help us to sell the electrical component of the system for 10 (ten) million dollars, then he/she would immediately receive 1 (one) million dollars and an invitation to join our team of inventors (if he/she wants to join us and work with us, of course.)
----------------------------
Looking forward to your answers.
George       
   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on August 11, 2019, 11:55:16 AM
Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." (Experimentally proved) ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
-----------------------
Many people here are simply afraid of truth. A very sad fact!
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on August 19, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." (Experimentally proved) ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
-----------------------
No objections?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on August 25, 2019, 12:50:50 PM
Still no objections? Shall we write a new textbook of physics? :)
We need (1) brave collaborators/partners of non-standard and original way of thinking and (2) 10 million dollars for further perfection of our next inventions as performing of precise, exact and high-quality scientific experiments is an EXPENSIVE business.
Looking forward to your answer.
George1   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 01, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
Deep silence again? :)
STILL NO OBJECTIONS WITHIN A PERIOD OF MORE THAN ONE MONTH?
It is a matter of (1) a perpetual motion machine and (2) a reactionless drive simultaneously, isn't it? Where are the Nobel prize committee representatives? :)
Any candidates for buying the secret of our electric technology and/or for collaboration with us? (Our team welcomes new members of non-standard and original way of thinking.)
George1
   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 08, 2019, 01:58:22 PM
Deep silence second month and still no objections? This unambiguously shows that it is really a matter of a serious technology breakthrough! And because of this the price of our electric technology has been increased. Our electric technology costs already 20 million dollars. (Please don't worry -- we are not greedy. The greater part of the money will be used for charity.)
Looking forward to your answer.
George1 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on September 09, 2019, 10:25:12 PM
It might be a different reason to why it has been scilent for months, than you might think. The first thing that comes to mind, is that the posts here is repeated over and over, about something mechanical. Something that obeys laws of physics - as all other mechanical systems do (sorry).
You need to build this to convince yourself, and us. The outcome is however predicted already by everyone except yourself ;)


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on September 09, 2019, 11:34:19 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160727&CC=CY&NR=1113918T1&KC=T1#

                                                                26.12.2012
https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP08872337&tab=main
https://register.epo.org/application?lng=en&number=EP08872337&tab=main
It seems this machine does not obey the defined laws
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Low-Q on September 10, 2019, 02:37:19 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160727&CC=CY&NR=1113918T1&KC=T1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160727&CC=CY&NR=1113918T1&KC=T1#)

                                                                26.12.2012
https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP08872337&tab=main (https://register.epo.org/application?number=EP08872337&tab=main)
https://register.epo.org/application?lng=en&number=EP08872337&tab=main (https://register.epo.org/application?lng=en&number=EP08872337&tab=main)
It seems this machine does not obey the defined laws
I cannot find anything in these documents that does not obey the laws of physics. Please point out where you find the OU. I cannot find it.


Vidar
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2019, 02:50:22 PM
[0020] ......which the efficiency is appreciable increased..... NO PERCENTAGE, NO NUMERICAL NUMBER

[0022] ...... August 2008 ...

Maerz( prototype), April( the Arestov xing-article/offer), Mai, Juni, Juli, August 2008 :

                                              Linevich Unwuchtmotor

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xing.com%2Fcommunities%2Fposts%2Fdie-alternative-stromanlage-bei-einer-leistungsaufnahme-von-nur-25-watt-entwickelt-der-motor-eine-leistung-1001254727 (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.xing.com%2Fcommunities%2Fposts%2Fdie-alternative-stromanlage-bei-einer-leistungsaufnahme-von-nur-25-watt-entwickelt-der-motor-eine-leistung-1001254727)
Prototyp : 25 in and 400 out numbered detail and 400/25= 1600% as percentage
for given experimental construction


But based by the received commercial EP Grant this does not obey the laws. !  ;)
Probably you know: many U. S.  Patent office grants are withdrawn by the EP Patent office. !
In the U. S. probably commercial save,  in the EP estates : open source. !

U. S. Patent office grant conditions obey European Patent office grant conditioning
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 15, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
Well, I am repeating hundreds of times one and same thing.
I am repeating again!
Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
---------------------------
ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
---------------------------
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 20, 2019, 09:37:49 AM
YOU SIMPLY FEAR THE TRUTH!
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Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
---------------------------
DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 21, 2019, 12:19:51 PM
I WILL REPEAT WITH CONFIDENCE WHAT I HAVE FORMERLY AFFIRMED -- YOU SIMPLY FEAR THE TRUTH!
------------------------------------
Here is an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
---------------------------
DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 29, 2019, 01:30:31 PM
Still no objections? This is because no objections can be invented. ;)
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.tagesspiegel.de%2Fgesellschaft%2Fpanorama%2Fnach-milliarden-scheidung-ex-frau-von-amazon-chef-will-haelfte-ihres-vermoegens-spenden%2F24392228.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fm.tagesspiegel.de%2Fgesellschaft%2Fpanorama%2Fnach-milliarden-scheidung-ex-frau-von-amazon-chef-will-haelfte-ihres-vermoegens-spenden%2F24392228.html)
Give yourself the reazons/arguments that the 4th richest woman on earth should invest or donate 10 or 20 millions €/$ in your/team idea/concept.  !?
TV- invention-investment-show participation. ?
https://www.vox.de/cms/sendungen/die-hoehle-der-loewen.html (https://www.vox.de/cms/sendungen/die-hoehle-der-loewen.html)

Capital venture event participation.,worldwide ?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=capital+venture+fair&oq=capital+venture+fair&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=capital+venture+fair&oq=capital+venture+fair&aqs=heirloom-srp..0l5)


IENA/GENF INVENTION Exposition participation. ?
http://www.iena.de/de/home.html (http://www.iena.de/de/home.html)

http://inventions-geneva.ch/en/home/ (http://inventions-geneva.ch/en/home/)


http://www.borderlands.de/index1n.php3 (http://www.borderlands.de/index1n.php3)
http://www.transaltec.ch/facma/design.php?design=2 (http://www.transaltec.ch/facma/design.php?design=2). Adolf and Inge Schneider

X-Prize. ? Richard Branson ( Virgin group, billionaer) Prize. ?




Btw. : you have  the concept -dossier ready,  with a.  manufacturing-  b. production then - lease - selling costs and prices?

The pros/cons list related conventional in market/ in pipe( ~ R&D) competitors/ converters. ?
A functional prototype for the demonstration from your theory in practise. ?


 Capital Venture 100 visits : 99 " good bye and good luck " and only 1 " Stay, new Partner! "
Joint-venture participation Quote. ? 10%,25,1%,49,9%,50,1%,74,9%,75,1%  ?
 Win-win up to loose/loose ad-venture risk ratio
Sharing the capital quotes and capital loose risk with many partners. ? Kickstarter et cet.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on September 29, 2019, 02:28:39 PM
Hi lanca IV.
Thank you for your reply.
1) As if you have interesting suggestions again. Please give me some time to consider carefully the links you have posted here.
2) We tried many times to contact Richard Branson, but we always failed. Do you have any idea for how to contact this man?
Looking forward to your answer.
George 
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2019, 02:49:13 PM
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/komoto-fans-heat-2000sf-for-4-cents-per-hour#/ (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/komoto-fans-heat-2000sf-for-4-cents-per-hour#/)
                        3656 $ investment pleased
                          reached : 16%  or 593 $

How great is the indiegogo audience in number. ?
How important is energy and costs savings  ?

What is the Investor and consumer real priority. ?

To see and feel him-/her-self and by others by the " ecce homo ! " - moment
PROUDNESS AND PRESTIGE
To reached the sky  !
UNFORGETABLE MOMENT  !

When the energy/electricity market becomes liberized and volative : from positive cents/KWh costs down to negative cents/KWh costs ( the producer has to pay ) what are the own competition conditions. ?
Fix costs/ open market costs

Your 10/20 millions demand divided by how many devices/KW installations   ?= basic fix cost


Richard Branson : " ... man" ? " .....   person " !
I can here play " the Punk" but I am educated by " old school"-rules and so do know the border lines.

You visiting your possible investors become observed,  your profile in the Internet dislosed ( there are professional company's/servants who do this for their clients)
crime statistic
 https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FF%25C3%25BChrungszeugnis (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.m.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FF%25C3%25BChrungszeugnis)
External and the Internal ( the second : secret area related;  estatal/industrial aso.  )

and probably ,before contract assignment : finance sector rating ( living standart / by cash or high credit)



To know the rules of the game and making " the Partner( his ambient : family, curriculum vitae)  transparent


Your device/-s : ready for UAL/TUEV approvement. ?


Why not the B. O. S. - scheme : you build - you operate-you sell,  this is today industrial common solution
Are you in financial hurry, do your team player want to see fast money return. ?

Giving an break-even-point : 1 Euro-cent/KWh electricity Generation

How far are you away from this flat/base : 1,5/2,0/.... Euro-cents
                                                                             0,75/0,5/... Euro-cent

                                     ???   Questions and answers. !?
Who shall manufacture the physical devices : are they not worth as industrial project partners. ?

                                                           A LITTLE MORE CAUTION :
Kybernetik : from Men-Machine society to Machine-Men society development, this we are

Instead " Machine" also nameable Virtuosity or https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithm)

                        "ZEITGEIST"                           COGITO ERGO DESIGN.

You probably also know that this " man" is not a Knight, not an OBE, but a SIR Richard Branson.Did he studied on an Uni?  Degree?  PROMOTION/HABILITATION/ HONORARY-DOCENT ?

What do you know about the 80' : the Virgin label,later Virgin Megastore and Virgin airline. ?Free speech and free mind and free knowledge and free interests interchange during conversation. !

THE " HINTS" in this 25 millions prize  ? ( the small written conditioning. ! Acceptable by both sides. ? )
https://www.virginearth.com/the-prize/ (https://www.virginearth.com/the-prize/)

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britische_Jungferninseln (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britische_Jungferninseln) here he has his private isle/island

Clearly :
Hi Richii ,you rich cool motherf****,all okay ? I have the shit, the super- dooper heavy machine !
also possible !


Be satisfied to get from his bureau/ secretary a positive comment and the invitation for more this concept clearing details  by your first trial  !

20/10 millions as lump sum or in rates/tranches per1/2 - 1 year payment ?

Business Angel/-s,this is what you need ;
or you decide for professional consultance : 1000 Euros per day( excellent professionals: 400€ per hour)
https://www.google.com/search?q=buisiness+angel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=buisiness+angel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m)

RICHDOM diversification : 1 rule : never more than 10% in one investment ( excluded company owner : solely investment and liquidity source)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.diepresse.com%2F5226461%2Fstartup-aus-oberostereich-greift-nach-us-patenten-fur-salzwasser-zellen (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.diepresse.com%2F5226461%2Fstartup-aus-oberostereich-greift-nach-us-patenten-fur-salzwasser-zellen)               
                                       2,8 Million assets value

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fenergyload.eu%2Fstromspeicher%2Fstromspeicher-energiewende-startups%2F (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fenergyload.eu%2Fstromspeicher%2Fstromspeicher-energiewende-startups%2F)
                                 from over 200 millions investment

How rich are the aquion-Investors   before the insolvency ?

How high was the aquion-share quoted before the insolvency  ?

Total investors richdom divided cash aquion- investment sum  ?
IPO : aquion investment sum/ aquion.    a. total  b free market    share quotes value
aquion total assets value after insolvency/

  For some people 20 millions are " peanuts" and
they or their foundations administrates thousands of those "nuts"

You can be perfect organized but your possible partner feels him at this moment in the wrong place and by the wrong time and give the for you wrong decision : " NO,no interest ! Good bye and good luck !"

                           FUZZY LOGIK :                   
                         you are ever wellcome in the " 99%- No, thank you ! # metoo " club

Daimler-Benz : a project was presented to the administration and received the "R&D"- budget okay. !
                           The engineers of this project were funny. !
                          the same project presented a second time to the same administration
                                                  got "R&D"- budgetting withdrawn/ rejected



                         LIFE IS FUNNY  ::) AND THE RULES SO CLEAR  8)
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on September 30, 2019, 11:17:49 AM
"...When the energy / electricity market becomes liberized and volatile : ..... "
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/CDU-Spitze-will-die-EEG-Umlage-abschaffen-article21302770.html (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/CDU-Spitze-will-die-EEG-Umlage-abschaffen-article21302770.html)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpolitik%2FCDU-Spitze-will-die-EEG-Umlage-abschaffen-article21302770.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpolitik%2FCDU-Spitze-will-die-EEG-Umlage-abschaffen-article21302770.html)
Flat rate : in-flat- ion/ stag-flat-ion/de-flat-ion/re-flat-ion
Working by free market conditioning or " manipulated" market prices by inflated "net rate back"- warranty by the estate !?

What happened in Spain with the electricity market and the energy investment values when the estate abolished the " net return rate" per KWh  !?
LEGAL !?  BY MACRO-ECONOMY LAWS AND ORDER ?
YES !?  EACH U. N.  ESTATE ECONOMY PRIORITY :
GENERAL EFFICIENCY RULE, german : Allgemeine Wirtschaftsgebot. ; "gebot"= DEMAND

The consequence for the energy generator producer ( wind,solar,...)  national,in Germany. !?
"HARD FACTS WARRANTY" OR "SOFT FACTS WARRANTY"  ?


Gefaehrliches Fahrwasser aehnlich https://www.google.com/search?q=silvio+gesell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m (https://www.google.com/search?q=silvio+gesell&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m) and the WW2- prediction  :
EURO- KREDIT-COMMUNISMUS
DOLLAR-CREDIT-COMMUNISM

Science Punk or geral science anarchy by other

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=lassale+Sozialismus+haengematte&oq=&aqs= (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=lassale+Sozialismus+haengematte&oq=&aqs=)
and care caridade charity :
why do you think,George1, that YOU has ( has and not have ! 3.pers.pl.m ~ THE) the MUST to DECIDE to notplease a lower  lump sum ( or rates/ tranches)for your material and idealistic concept. ?Is the chance to give probably investors lower investment risk and later lower endconsumer lease or selling price not charity enough. ?

Are you in hurry to leave Planet EARTH/ERDE vulgo TELLUS. ?
Together ? : https://www.spacex.com/ (https://www.spacex.com/)  Co-investor : Elon Musk

Which is the actual liquid/net salary in your country/estate, statistical : from 100% , from the upper 90%/ down 90% :does 2500/5000/10000 €/$ per month/ quartal /semester not change the living standart from you and your team  ?
You work by ultimative decisions : from 10 millions to 20 millions. !
When you will demand 50 millions. ?
ARROGANZ : classical and meaning 2019 p. C.n.  ?!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(character (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(character))
  from V. I. P. s   to  T. V. I. P. s


https://patentauction.com/ (https://patentauction.com/)     how many "George1"-Characters will we refind there. ?
If there is an offer : for a 260 billion market only 500.000 US$ investment ( hints?)
how much thinks an other one with an 20 years patent validation - up calculated - market value about 600 billions $ to receive as offer : " make an offer" this inventor please. !?

Married?  What thinks your wife about you  ?Having child/-s. ?  What "WELTBILD" from you he/they would imaging/ printing on a white virgin page. ?
George1,here you are fiction,  in your day-by-day life I hope real/-ly. !
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on September 30, 2019, 02:19:59 PM


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(character (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(character))
  from V. I. P. s   to  T. V. I. P. s

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bonhomie (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/bonhomie) ::)
 https://www.spurensuche.info/wp-spurensuche/portfolio/madeleinedelbrel/ (https://www.spurensuche.info/wp-spurensuche/portfolio/madeleinedelbrel/)    ?
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Everywhere/nowhere soul-brothers and everywhere/ nowhere soul-sisters  ?  ;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fcdkwdfz0GA

Do we - by common sense - want to become " soul-wolves" ?
https://cbs.riken.jp/en/faculty/t.fukai/ (https://cbs.riken.jp/en/faculty/t.fukai/)

https://www.heise.de/tp/autoren/?autor=Erich%20Bieramperl (https://www.heise.de/tp/autoren/?autor=Erich%20Bieramperl)

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Gesegnete Mahlzeit. !

.... Denn Dein - ist das Reich
               und.  - die Kraft
               bis.    - in alle Ewigkeit

Knowing the rules from the game : wellcome in " ENGEL-LAND" ,where " time out/off" commands

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Kid, when you grow up what do you want to become. ?
A GIGAJOULE-CONSUMER, LIKE ALL THE OTHERS  !
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.capital.de%2Fwirtschaft-politik%2Flaender-mit-dem-hoechsten-pro-kopf-energieverbrauch-66633%3Futm_source%3Dpocket-newtab (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.capital.de%2Fwirtschaft-politik%2Flaender-mit-dem-hoechsten-pro-kopf-energieverbrauch-66633%3Futm_source%3Dpocket-newtab)

IT found his sin of life ,like ALL the others, is it not. ? :)
The Future : 8,9,10  ?  GIGA(JOULE) Factories consuming Planet Earth

George1 , where is your Drake. ? ( Philosophical Internet- Patron?)
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.traunsteiner-tagblatt.de%2Fdas-traunsteiner-tagblatt%2Fchiemgau-blaetter%2Fchiemgau-blaetter-2019_ausgabe%2C-der-heilige-georg-als-legendaerer-drachentoeter-_chid%2C940.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.traunsteiner-tagblatt.de%2Fdas-traunsteiner-tagblatt%2Fchiemgau-blaetter%2Fchiemgau-blaetter-2019_ausgabe%2C-der-heilige-georg-als-legendaerer-drachentoeter-_chid%2C940.html)

 GEORGE1.    MEETS   1EGROEG. ?
Ca c' est seulement un(e) amusement, stay happy. !
GEORGE1: 1989 PERSPECTIVE  2049: RETROSPECTIVE
SEULEMENT UN(E)  AMUSEMENT. !
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+ #whichmindisreal
+ # whichfutureisreal
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on October 06, 2019, 02:40:14 PM
Hi lancaIV,
1) Thanks a lot for your last posts. You have sent again a plenty of good and interesting ideas. Please give us some time to consider carefully all materials you have posted.   
2) I do not know whether you are an expert in theoretical and applied mechanics or not. If yes, then what is your opinion about the zigzag mechanical conception of this topic? Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lancaIV on October 07, 2019, 11:25:43 AM
George1,83499 members has this forum. !
Read the several members response/comments to your idea, write the pos/cons on a paper, avail by yourself 
the worth from their positive/negative critics/ judgement/ validation. !
How far/ near as help for your progress  !?
A successfull work wishing
OCWL
p.s.: I can by my mind and opinion ever be wrong. ! This is my own responsibility  !
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on October 13, 2019, 02:32:51 PM
To lanca IV.
----------------------
Hi lanca IV,
Thanks a lot for your reply. Thank you for your last good advice. I will follow it.
Any other good idea is welcome.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on October 13, 2019, 02:51:27 PM
Hi guys,
1) Although overunity.com is not a typically commercial website we would like to make a business offer. If some member of this forum "invents" a method/way/approach for selling of our electric technology as a trade secret for 20 million dollars, then he/she would immediately receive 1 million of these 20 million dollars. (Google is a typical example of a high-tech business (1) which is a not-patented trade secret and (2) which works successfully as a perfect money-making machine.)
2) Let me remind you again that our electric technology increases many times (twice as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard now-existing electric vehicle on a single charge. Our electric technology has a successfully working prototype.
3) And here is again an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on October 19, 2019, 02:33:56 PM
Isn't there any highly qualified expert in theoretical and applied mechanics in this forum who has enough bravery and good will to admit unambiguously that our zigzag mechanical conception represents the principle of operation of a reactionless drive?   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on October 27, 2019, 01:29:18 PM
And here is again an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM? THE LATTER HAS BEEN EXPERIMENTALLY PROVED ALREADY MANY TIMES.   
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 02, 2019, 09:40:07 AM
Still no objections within a period of almost three months?! It is evident therefore that most human minds are heavily infected by some kind of mental poison which does not allow them to see and accept obvious theoretical and EXPERIMENTAL(!) facts. Very sad! :(
Am I right? 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 10, 2019, 02:49:54 PM
Here is again an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST THIS LAST CLAIM? THE LATTER HAS BEEN EXPERIMENTALLY PROVED ALREADY MANY TIMES.   
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on November 12, 2019, 08:36:55 AM
“RD” checks out.
PM, I don’t see that but.....




Even if we simplify the situation
Take the zig-zags, or a washboard whatever
And a ‘rake’, that brushes across it in only one direction
The force of friction will have a vector
And as such, will impart motive force on the system as a whole.


Like the impact boat on crack


Need a real world example? Jerk the shake-weight only in one direction.

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 17, 2019, 04:24:01 PM
Hi smOky2,
Thanks a lot for your reply. And thank you for your good words -- all members of our team (including myself) are really pathological enthusiasts! 
1) What is PM?
2) Actually I could not understand your arguments. Please give me some time to consider them carefully. (It seems to me that we are talking about different things.)
3) Meanwhile would you be so polite to consider carefully our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM and especially the following sentence: "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." Do you have any objections against this last claim? The latter has been experimentally proved many times.     
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 23, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
The principle of operation of a reactionless drive seems to be already a reality.
Please consider carefully again our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM and especially the following sentence: "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0." Do you have any objections against this last claim? The latter has been experimentally proved many times.     
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 24, 2019, 02:07:22 PM
Any opinion related to our yesterday post?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on November 30, 2019, 08:57:25 AM
Deep silence again? :o Still no objections? This is because it is impossible to deny experimental facts.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 07, 2019, 03:12:26 PM
1) Still no objections against our zigzag mechanical concept? You simply fear the truth thus stopping the technology progress. And because of this we are increasing now the price of our electric technology, which is able to increase twice (as a minimum) the distance traveled by a standard electric vehicle on a single charge. The price of this electric technology is now 30 (thirty) million dollars. And this price will further increase if our zigzag mechanical concept (i.e. the reactionless drive) does not win public recognition.
2) We shared openly and freely two inventions of ours and these are (1) the reactionless drive, considered in this topic, and (2) the electric heater, described in the topic A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1. And still these two inventions cannot win public recognition. That is why our next several inventions will not be free.   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 08, 2019, 09:04:44 AM
George, have you constructed a zig-zag device to show us?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 10, 2019, 07:00:20 PM
Hi SmOky2,
Thank you for your last post.
Yes, we have constructed an experimental zig-zag device for the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf.
But there are two obstacles for showing it and these two obstacles are as follows.
1) Obstacle 1: It would take too much time (especially time!), money and human resources in order to make a high quality professional video. But this obstacle is, let's say, avoidable more or less.
2) Obstacle 2: A member of our team, who is a top expert in tribology (as well as in other technology areas, but tribology is his favorite branch of science), has invented an entirely new and an extremely effective, simple and cheap method for strong reducing of sliding friction. This method is used in the zig-zag device and if we show the zig-zag device, then we will show the new method of decreasing of sliding friction too. Our inventor however does not want to show publicly his sliding-friction-reducing method for the present. We have to obey his decision. But I promise to do my best to persuade our sliding-friction-reducing method inventor to change his mind in the nearest future. Please give me some time.
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Meanwhile you could do by yourself the zig-zag experiment in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf even on your garage floor. The experiment is extremely simple and cheap. You can use even ordinary lubricants and you only have to add some correction coefficient related to the experimental error due to friction. Besides if you manage to reduce friction enough, then the experimental error due to friction can be neglected.
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And at last a simple elementary logic unambiguously shows that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0. Simple logic and simple math. Like 1+1=2. Practically no need of experiment.
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Looking forward to your answer.
George
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 14, 2019, 08:56:06 AM
Here is again an abstract from our post from May 16, 2019, 09:35:12 AM. "It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
-----------------------------------
Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against this last claim?     
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 14, 2019, 10:47:46 AM
Hi George,
Thank you for responding to my question.
I do not see the “third link”
or any pictures/ diagrams of your experimental
“Zig zag” device.
I have read your repetitive arguments
And your theoretical “ideal condition” for your zig zag
But for myself, I need some sort of Visualization
To understand what you are talking about.



Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 14, 2019, 11:23:37 AM
Hi smOky2.
If you consider carefully the present topic "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?"and if you follow my instructions, then you would find the related links very easy. Anyway for your convenience I gathered together the three links an put them below:
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
3) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf
The first link contains the text and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
The third link is a very important addition to the first link and to the second link.
=================================================
Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 17, 2019, 10:36:01 AM
PLEASE DO NOT FEAR THE TRUTH!
Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 19, 2019, 08:58:27 AM
George, I read this years ago
You could have at least typed this out and edited it by now....


My answer is still no.
It is neither.


You have had ample time to build one or get someone else to waste their time building one....
Either you have already done so and are propagating nonsense

Or you are too lazy to bother and try to build what you tell us to build....


Show what you claim to be your truth.
Or show what you learned while doing so....:
If you have any (theoretical) objections to that
Please feel free to share them


Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 21, 2019, 03:20:01 AM
4. law of motion says: Any unbalanced mass spinning 360° with varying speed or oscillating within 180° or less converts centrifugal force into linear acceleration.

That means you can literally 'swim' in space. For example, imagine you are floating in space, you got a hammer in each hand. As you swing them in front of you horizontally in opposite directions close to 180° resultant vector is pure unidirectional acceleration, you are pulled forward just as if someone pushed you from behind.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 22, 2019, 04:54:12 AM
https://youtu.be/uMQnXig2hrg (https://youtu.be/uMQnXig2hrg)
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 22, 2019, 04:50:22 PM
Make sure to turn volume low before playing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHPna2WF_g0
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 22, 2019, 06:51:34 PM
NOT MINE video proving the 4th law as i formulated it.

Springs are not needed, only two same pendulums oscillating in opposite directions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l3MgQKUGTw
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 22, 2019, 07:04:24 PM
YOU CAN SWIM IN SPACE
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Toolofcortex on December 22, 2019, 10:17:54 PM
So where are your designs?

You dont even know how that machine works.

Another talker who tries to act mysterious but is in fact an edgy nooblet with zero power.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 22, 2019, 10:55:50 PM
So where are your designs?

You dont even know how that machine works.

Another talker who tries to act mysterious but is in fact an edgy nooblet with zero power.

That machine like all inertial devices works by imbalance of centrifugal force.

I FORMULATED THE 4th LAW, so i do understand how any and all inertial devices work, unlike you.

Your pathetic language describes your ignorant noob self. I have no desire to boast but no matter how powerful the 4th law is, it is but a tiny part of my work in theoretical and practical developments in fields of physics, gravity, electronics etc.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Toolofcortex on December 22, 2019, 11:37:12 PM
You can barely write a proper sentence, you dont hold a candle to his excellency Newton.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 23, 2019, 12:11:40 AM
You can barely write a proper sentence, you dont hold a candle to his excellency Newton.

It's ''don't'', not ''dont'', learn to spell. English is not even my first language, yet you can only dream to ever use it in such expressive and flawless way as i do.

The law i formulated does not go against Newton's 3 laws, it stems from them, it describes the phenomena Newton did not recognize, so you fail there too.

You are an illiterate animal who somehow stumbled upon the internet, although you should be outside in the mud playing with a bone.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 23, 2019, 02:41:47 AM
Can I read your 4th law theory?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 23, 2019, 12:47:01 PM

Hi smOky2,
------------------------------
You strongly surprise me, my friend! What is the problem? You are not able to read a hand-written text? You are not illiterate, aren't you?
-----------------------------
I will repeat again. (As if it is most difficult to understand OBVIOUS truths.)
----------------------------
Firstly, please consider carefully the two links below:
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
----------------------------
After fully understanding the concept, described in the two links above, you have to read carefully and fully understand the concept in the third link, which is a very important addition to the first link and to the second link, and which is given below:
3) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf
----------------------------
And at last you have to answer a simple question: Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against the concept, described in the third link?
-----------------------------
How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
George   
   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 23, 2019, 01:23:23 PM
Can I read your 4th law theory?

I already posted it on the last page.

This i say in general, people truly can't see the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 23, 2019, 01:28:45 PM
Something not directly related to the topic but priceless lecture about structure of creation and our true identity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbeK_6ATxQ
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 27, 2019, 08:31:26 AM
To nix85.
----------------------
Hi nix85,
Thanks a lot for your last posts. Please give us some time to consider them carefully.
And thank you for your indirect support. Yes, you are absolutely right that, let's say, most "...people truly can't see the forest for the trees." AND FEAR THE TRUTH!
George

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 27, 2019, 08:39:54 AM
Hi everyone,
WHY DO YOU FEAR THE TRUTH?
Please only answer a simple question: Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against the concept, described in the third link? (Please look at our post of December 23, 2019, 12:47:01 PM.) 
Is this question so difficult?
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 27, 2019, 09:14:27 AM
To nix85.
----------------------
Hi nix85,
Thanks a lot for your last posts. Please give us some time to consider them carefully.
And thank you for your indirect support. Yes, you are absolutely right that, let's say, most "...people truly can't see the forest for the trees." AND FEAR THE TRUTH!
George

You're most welcome. Something to correlate with Bentov's model of cosmos and 49 universes making up a 'cell' of a bigger universe and so on..

In theosophy we find that 49 bubbles of consciousness of the first 'Adi' plane aggregate to produce 1 bubble of the second plane and so on by same ratio of 49 for 7 planes, one bubble of the 7th plane having 13,841,287,201 bubbles of the first plane. Table of bubbles below.

We find this same ratio of x49 encoded in the Bible and we also find in two unrelated contactee cases, Ummo and Oscar Magocsi, that speed of light between the planes increases by factor of 49. *Ummites said 50 but close enough.

A coincidence? Hardly so. Seems density of matter and speed of light increase by factor of 49 for each plane above us.

Then you got the Iargan tehnical info on cosmic carrier field, and six axis of time producing 3 spatial dimensions etc also talking about intelocking tetrahedrons as fundamental pattern by which energy flows.

Summary here > http://www.resona.nl/Denaerde/denaerde.html
Longer here > https://galactic.no/rune/iarapdx1.html
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on December 27, 2019, 11:46:37 PM
NDE story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjch_Qi_nio
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 29, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
Hi nix85,
Need some time to consider carefully your last post.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on December 29, 2019, 01:59:23 PM
Magnetic levitation (PERMANENT MAGNETS!) for the zigzag design. Practically no friction and no heat.
How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 04, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
Magnetic levitation at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A and many other similar and related links.
Besides please look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XngSTeh2Q and many other similar and related links. (It's about home-made and toy models of Maglev's train.)
Perfectly suitable for the zigzag mechanical conception. No friction and no heat.
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 06, 2020, 10:11:20 PM
Hi smOky2,
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You strongly surprise me, my friend! What is the problem? You are not able to read a hand-written text? You are not illiterate, aren't you?
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Ehhhhhhhh....


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I will repeat again. (As if it is most difficult to understand OBVIOUS truths.)
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Firstly, please consider carefully the two links below:
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf (https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf)
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf (https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf)
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
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After fully understanding the concept, described in the two links above, you have to read carefully and fully understand the concept in the third link, which is a very important addition to the first link and to the second link, and which is given below:
3) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf (https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf)
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And at last you have to answer a simple question: Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against the concept, described in the third link?
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How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
George   
   


The OBVIOUS truth is that you are negating all of your variables, and presenting equations
that are not equivalent, nor are they a true representation of the physics behind your “zigzags”.


Your math doesn’t make sense.
How much of the friction is turned to heat or how much is a prolonged elastic collision is irrelevant.
You’ll get the same numbers throwing your blue contraption at a wall.
The fact that you slide a bar to press on opposite sides of the wall(s) only complicates the math
not the solution. Neither of which are included in your hand-written paper.


If you attempt a real world experiment you will find that within the proportions of known materials
and densities you cannot simply “pick and choose” a condition where your math works out.
You preempted yourself by assigning a mass proportionality between the blue and the black
If you follow that assumption and what it implies you see where your friction went.
there exist devices that utilize your zigzag interface. Not exactly as you have with the double sided
U
But the same nonetheless.


Example: a type of brakes were made in this manner, and later abandoned due to a transfer of
motion into a perpendicular reference frame, in an oscillatory motion.
This is because the “ball” has actual mass.
If it had no mass the blue part would experience no effect of the zigzag.

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 11, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
Hi smOky2,
Thank you for your reply.
Well, we are talking again about different things. I would like to ask you again to focus on the target and not to consider things which are true by themselves but which are not related to the present discussion.
I will repeat again. I am writing again (especially for you!) the most important abstract of the third link. And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against this last claim? YES OR NO?

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 11, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
Why are you discussing irrelevant things. It all comes down to a FACT that if unbalanced mass is oscillating within 180 degrees and it is curbed from going beyond 180 degrees


 >>>>>>>>> BY ACTING ON THE AXIS, NOT THE MASS ITSELF <<<<<<<<<


then AND ONLY THEN, you will get unidirectional acceleration.

For example if you are floating in space and you swing your arms in front and then stop them when they are fully stretched to each side, you are stopping them by acting on your shoulder ''axis'', and therefore, there is no backward trust, only forward acceleration due to the swing.

IN OTHER WORDS, MOMENTUM THAT WOULD BE TURNED INTO BACKWARD TRUST IF WE STOPPED THE MASS DIRECTLY FROM GOING BEYOND 180 DEGREES IS SPENT AS COUNTERTORQUE AT THE SHAFT - AXIS OF ROTATION.

To further clear it up, imagine two big pendulums on a shaft floating in space and they are pushed at great speed from position in the front where they overlapped backward in opposite directions...

Now, if you who are sitting at the shaft and therefore are also part of the system, grabbed the pendulums by your hands to stop them from going beyond 180 degrees they would impart their momentum to your hands and system would be given backward acceleration.

But if you instead created great friction that prevented the shaft from turning that momentum would be consumed at the shaft as friction and no backward momentum would be imparted to the system, leaving pure forward acceleration due to centrifugal force.

Remember Thronson, he did not use a clutch but he did act on the axis of rotation instead of decelerating the masses by acting directly on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIt661hfr9c
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 11, 2020, 12:08:23 PM
No rocket fuel has ever been needed, simple rotation of unbalanced mass could allow 1G or more acceleration with minimal expenditure of energy.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 11, 2020, 04:41:48 PM
Travel time at 1G from here https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/840/how-fast-will-1g-get-you-there

Not assuming any time taken for orbital maneuvering, turning halfway 180° to decelerate, assuming closest distance of planets (and Luna) to the Earth, and not accounting for fuel burn (i.e. literal constant 1g acceleration):

The Moon / Luna:
Closest to Earth (Supermoon): 356,577 km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 2h 22m 12s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 3h 20m 24s

Mercury:
Closest to Earth: 77.3 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 10h 52m 48s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 2d 1h 19m 12s

Venus:
Closest to Earth: 40 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 1h 5m 2s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 1d 11h 28m 48s

Mars:
Closest to Earth: 65 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 7h 58m 5s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 1d 21h 13m 1s

Jupiter:
Closest to Earth: 588 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 4d 0h 11m 2s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 5d 16h 2m 2s

Saturn:
Closest to Earth: 1.2 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 5d 17h 25m 1s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 8d 2h 20m 24s

Uranus:
Closest to Earth: 2.57 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 8d 9h 6m 0s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 11d 20h 24m 0s

Neptune:
Closest to Earth: 4.3 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 10d 20h 7m 48s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 15d 7h 52m 48s

Pluto:
Closest to Earth: 4.28 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 10d 19h 31m 12s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 15d 7h 1m 12s
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 11, 2020, 04:44:46 PM
Of course craft with such primitive mechanical drive could never leave Earth's magnetic barrier which is 5 MOON DIAMETERS BEYOND OUR MOON, that would mean instant death to everyone on board, no one leaves the CHINVAT BRIDGE ALIVE without his own REF.

But for voyages to the Moon and back, piece of cake.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 15, 2020, 10:36:47 AM
https://imgur.com/gallery/yiVrX
https://imgur.com/a/dZNqj
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nuo_JHCXs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX4Wypzv0vI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVdQ0AhFd4
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 18, 2020, 08:44:25 AM
Hi nix85,
Thank you for your reply.
We are talking again about different things. I would like to ask you again to focus on the target and not to consider things which are true by themselves but which are not related to the present discussion.
A SIMPLE DIRECT QUESTION NEEDS A SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER! AND YOU ALWAYS AVOID TO GIVE THIS SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER!
But I am a man of good will and patience and I will repeat again. I am writing again (especially for you!) the most important abstract of the third link. And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
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And I will modify the question a little especially for you. And here it is: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO?
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Looking forward to your answer.
George
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P. S. Please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d'. Because it seems to me that you are not very familiar with these four terms.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 18, 2020, 10:30:56 AM
Hi nix85

I am not avoiding anything, subject is reactionless drive and that is exactly what i talked about.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Toolofcortex on January 18, 2020, 03:48:47 PM
These motors do not work.

The ones with a smaller eccentric orbit synched by either gear or belt.

I would know if they did.

There was a small dedicated forum to Bobby amarasingham.

https://www.magistrala.cz/freeenergy/2019/04/15/%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85-%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%B2-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD/

But with all the dodging and the final silence it was clear there was nothing to these motors.

Its an easy idea to have honestly, very visual, at first glance it seems like it could work.

But it does not interact with the universe, and creates no power.

The same reason why these reactionless drives dont work, they simly are lame with very little power and speed.

This is not how UFO's work, thus, nasa doesnt care, we can all row faster than that boat.

People claim lack of financial support all the time, the real issue is that their technology just sucks.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: nix85 on January 18, 2020, 05:29:44 PM
These motors do not work.

Untrue, centrifugal propulsion does indeed work, i defined the basic principle in
detail anyone can test at home. Sit yourself on an office chair, swing two masses
in front of you horizontally and you will be pulled forward as if someone pushed
you from behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUZDBRzKNKk
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: Toolofcortex on January 18, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
Well I never really liked airplanes, nor UFO's. I took the plane a couple times and I dont like it.

If you had a UFO and you invited me for a ride I would probably say no.

I like to sit comfortably here on earth, and my interests are in a device that produces electricity for free forever.

Building a UFO would be cool tho, but I would not fly in it.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on January 25, 2020, 09:19:53 AM
Hi everyone,
Let us focus again on the target.
1) Firstly, please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d' described in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf.
2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO? (Is it so difficult to answer such a simple question? It is like a binary code -- 0 or 1.)
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 01, 2020, 09:30:36 AM
Deep silence again? And still no answer?
1) Firstly, please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d' described in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf.
2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO?
3) Well, I will help. The correct answer is YES. And from here if you follow the simple logical construction link 3 --> link 1 + link 2, then you can conclude that IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE ONLY either (1) the law of conservation of mechanical energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are not correct simultaneously or (2) at least one of these two laws is not correct separately. Do you accept this simple fact? Yes or no?       
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 08, 2020, 09:42:00 AM
Still no answer within a period of two weeks? I am surprised. :)Where are this forum's experts in theoretical and applied mechanics?
So I would like to repeat again the text of our last post. Here it is. 
1) Firstly, please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d' described in the third link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf
2) Secondly, please answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO?
3) Well, I will help. The correct answer is YES. And from here if you follow the simple logical construction link 3 --> link 1 + link 2, then you can conclude that IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE ONLY either (1) the law of conservation of mechanical energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are not correct simultaneously or (2) at least one of these two laws is not correct separately. Do you accept this simple fact? Yes or no?       
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 15, 2020, 09:39:21 AM
Still no objections within a period of three weeks? It's really a full surprise!:) Is this an indicator that anyone here in this forum agrees with the validity and correctness of our zigzag conception?   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 22, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
No objections within a period of one month? How to interpret this result? Everybody here in this forum agrees with the validity of our zigzag conception?
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on February 28, 2020, 02:09:24 PM
Deep silence within a period of more than one month? Shall we consider this silence as a public recognition of the fact that it follows directly from our conception that the law of concervation of linear momentum and/or the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not valid in some special certain cases?   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 02, 2020, 06:58:35 PM
Off topic but some food for thought,


Something ultimately had the power to create the universe, if it was power to create nor destroy where you can't create or destroy then the universe would not exist.


Anybody would come to the same conclusion that something had the power to create, learned or unlearned, but science apparently is not there yet to fully understand the power to create.


This power to create i reckon is an unequal force unlike today where most people understand equal forces which does not enable over unity and over unity is power to create where it gives more out than in.


More out than in i say, because behind all of it, the universe somewhere ultimately had the power to create.


Even laws of energy as you know does not deny the fact that something had the power to create and these laws of energy as most people know state nothing will give more out than in and in defence of this in a circuit as the laws state cannot create nor destroy.

So outside of this impossible limitation, i believe there is something outside of the box of create nor destroy in a circuit, by using the force that the universe used to create it self or create whatever

If this power to create was an equal force well i let anyone who reads my post to conclude whether power to create is an equal force or not but when you think the backbone of all of it the universe, if it was equal force it doesn't make sense to me anyways.

I suggest you read this https://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience

One way or another you have to provoke zero point, what i mean is zero point is believed to have no energy in it, which i believe is not the full picture, this is a power to create force, if you provoke zero point energy will appear from it and you have to treat it as an unequal power to create force for energy to come from zero point and be quick enough to capture energy at the same time.

Has to be an open circuit otherwise your circuit will fry when provoking and capturing energy from zero point if it is a closed circuit.

You have to vibrate it and zero point will respond to you with energy unlike thinking it has none what so ever.

My 2 pence.

Dan.

Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 03, 2020, 04:29:43 PM
It is clear it seems actual overunity is impossible due to laws of energy but maybe,


Maybe well think of it this way, the heat pump an under unity device because of it's efficiency but has a cop greater than 1, this is because it extracts energy from environment which is heat and has oompf because of the cop greater than one and i will say that this interacts with the energy from vacuum or zero point which is where the oomph comes from.


So with the extracted heat you have to externally move this heat (in a open loop circuit manner to escape the laws of energy fully with its cut off ability which makes over unity impossible which is cop not efficiency which is closed loop circuit and its potential to self run with excess energy but does not break the laws of known energy when done in a open loop circuit manner i think) energy around out of the circuit otherwise you can't get a self running heat pump or shall i say using the extracted heat which gives it cop over 1.


Because you will hit a wall which cuts of the advantage of getting the heat pump to self run off extracted heat, but somehow externally get the heat out before it is cut off.


I say there is no limit as to how hot the heat pump will get if you run it off extracted heat which is what the heat pump outputs with cop greater than 1, but limited as to how much heat it can harvest in a way.


It definitely seems possible if you can rescue the potential of the cop before it gets destroyed or cut off advantage.


The whole idea of this is this, to get it to self run off the over cop 1 heat and reput it all back in the heat pump to re harvest this cop greater than 1 back in.


So you have to if there is a way, to externally do it, by fully getting the energy out of the circuit move it around and then put that energy back in to repeat the process.


As have said, this in a way is indeed perpetual because of the ommpf of cop greater than 1 but efficiency is lower than 100% so it is under unity but despite the efficiency it will self run on solely extracted energy and give excess energy in the process to run a load whilst sustaining it self off extracted energy.


It is possible to get it to self run if you know how to rescue the energy fully out of the circuit move it around and then put it back in the circuit which is where it extracts heat.


See it that way and yes it is like a self running solar panel and yes it does get it's power to self run from the vacuum or zero point it self.


Self running with cop greater than 1 but the efficiency is under 100%, you will say that because of the efficiency it won;t self run but no despite this, i view it like this friction but somewhere this does not prevent that because somewhere in the process there is no friction what so ever despite you knowing there is friction.


Yep easy to be confused thinking it of as a fraud due to not being crystal clear as to how it runs, because they view the efficiency and how it would work because it wouldn't unless they learn.

Compare this with everything that is over unity and you will have a better chance of achieving over unity or a self runner due to the cop (where most see it can self run and have excess energy in the process to power a load whilst sustaining the self running process along with excess energy entirely of extracted energy) but not efficiency  (where most see and understand that overunity is impossible) and i see it is indeed there can be a way to achieve if there is one.

So yea externally recueing the energy to save it's potential and then externally input the energy back in so it does not get killed off regarding the power or torque or the self running process with excess energy to power a circuit.

See it that way and it does seem possible and could or will work regarding you must you know about electronics but because i am going on about the heat pump is because to me it is unclear as to how electric circuits could extract energy from the environment like the heat pump but energy being universal and if the heat pump can do it then perhaps electronics can as well.

yep that under unity circuit can be fully be powered by harvested energy and using harvested energy to self run it with excess of power to power a load that is what i see and everyone else because of the cop being greater than 1 but everyone can see it won't work because of the efficiency and because of the efficiency this self runner gets killed of and won't self run or give cop greater than 1 which is why you have to externally rescue energy and externally put it back in again and there you go in a open looped circuit fashion i think.

Arguments about resistance in circuit or friction does not apply you do not need to do anything about it because automatically it has tha process to fully work despite everyone seeing that, maybe not everyone well not me which is what i have learned about that.

The compressor of the heat pump at the source is closed loop where it extracts heat from and the way this closed loop works kills off the ability to self run with excess energy which fully disables the self running process with excess energy but it can be done to make an open looped compressor for the heat pump enabling it to self run with excess energy running solely off extracted energy which is linked to energy from vacuum or zero point and actually gets the power from zpe or energy from vacuum yea self run by putting all of the extracted energy back into the bit where the heat pump extracts heat from, you will have a self runner with excess energy and because of the excess energy which comes from zero point or energy from vacuum where it can power loads or work which is does without a shadow of doubt and with the excess energy of over unity with cop not efficiency will get hotter and hotter with no limit as to how hot it gets as there is no limit as to how hot it gets, so with excess energy it will accelerate into oblivion done by the excess energy it self which means this has real power or torque to do work (energy extracted accelerated with excess let over energy which is over unity) or be destroyed because of how much accelerated energy you get so you have to find a way to control that which can be done.

See it that way and you know theoretically that is can be possible, or possible varying on how to overcome the problem but can work if the problem is overcome as we can all see.

This heat pump has to be designed as a fully open loop circuit but for the heat pump to make this a reality otherwise the closed loop circuit of the heat pump compressor will overload whilst cutting off the potential excess energy that you can so plainly understand and see here.

What does the laws of energy have to say about open loop circuits i mean fully open loop circuits or fully open looped heat pump compressor, it does not break them and the dream of a self runner with excess energy is much much more realistic and understood and will work as that which is self runner powering a load, and the excess energy potential gets it from zero point or energy from vacuum and the secret of zero point is that create nor destroy apply here and science does not deny that at all whatsoever about what created the universe which was caused by a unknown force which creates things which is more out than in and this is a power to create force which is plain to see because of excess energy going back to the backbone of creation it self which is zero point which is power to create and is not balanced but created the universe and is a perpetual force but will be very hard to explain if you knew about it fully.

Yep this is indeed a perpetual self runner thanks to zero point the backbone of what started it all which is the universe and if you understand energy well all i have to say it will be hard to explain why this creation force on it's own created the universe, which is power to create ok, so the way you understand energy well it is losses energy this power to create does not work simply put ok which science does not believe in ok well prehaps not every scientise.

The power to create which is zero point created the universe on its own has power to create so is a un balanced force on it's own so being unbalanced means that power to create certainly is there and will create energy which is impossible which is the dream of over unity it self which is more out than in which is power to create, because energy has to return back to it self so this power to create force right and all of its power to create returns back to it, just saying that to make you understand how hard it is to understand why it does that which it does.

Come to your own conclusion and theory as to how the universe was created and how this energy behaves, for me the self running process of heat pump along with excess energy is due to the unbalanced force of zero point which is power to create ok which you can fully understand from what you can see here.

Every scientist and science it self will agree something created the universe with varying opinion but agreeing with the fact about that for me it is power to create but science in its confusion or denial won't agree about power to create but see it this way, on it's own behind all creations which it created has the power to create and they will much more likely understand and agree fully with that because with all energy, energy returns back to it self so envision this, if this force wasted energy the universe would not exist or if there was friction or any kind of over unity and put your understanding of impossible over unity and try to think as to what created the universe and you might just buy that this force has power to create one way or another..

This power to create is the holy grail of free energy if understood fully and many methods would be understood as well, but the heat pump with excess energy demonstrates the potential of how it has the power to create the power to create is exactly that which is the excess energy done by power to create from the vaccum.

whether unkown or known known concepts of science you have been taught is the opposite of how zero point works simply put, use those conceptes and understand, understand this, this force which is zero point behind absolutly everything and that energy has to return back to where it came from and that this force created the universe.

If this force was combustion it would not have power to create, if this force was balanced and equal, it would not have the power to create, so think and ponder about that and everything you have been taught by science about energy about how the universe was created, for one energy loss means power to create is impossible just to clear things up, this force is mostly unknown as to how it behaves by mainstream science really they all believe something created the universe somewhere but this force by nature with current concepts of science is wrong about zero point because they are treating this force that is does not have power to create but it they understand that then they will be leaning on about that it does have a power creation to it which means it self generates with power to create which is unequal and gives more out than in because it is behind everything and that is how the energy returns back to it giving it the power to create, so much more less than nothing and more then everything is.

So on your own to think and conclude that every thing behind it all, all of creations universe and all and this is behind it all with energy returning back to it, what is it regarding the nature of this energy force whatever you want to call it and compare them as to what you know about energy.

What is impossible from what you know is the opposite of what i know and have said here, more like power to destroy so you get the opposite of more out than in i think which is what science is based on which is why circuits etc get hot.

The reason why zero point is called zero point i think is because nothing can be over unity ponder about that and you might agree it goes along with the wasted methods of science as well nicely in fact but is absolutely illogical to think of it this way, but the way they treat it they might just find out the perpetual power of power to destroy and their concepts will be shattered because of the perpetual nature of it.

So yea the self running heat pump fuelled by the cop 3 heat output when running and then using all of the cop 3 heat back in the heat pump, which accelerates the process to no end as to how hot it gets and while exceeding the behaviour of the energy will accelerate past self running the energy it needs to run and then if it keeps accelerating it will exceed in power.

This reusing heat is part of recycling the energy or heat which will enable exceeding of energy, the heat pump while closed loop does not kill off the heat harvesting process, if the heat harvesting process was closed loop it would not extract heat from the heat in the air, and with that, you have to make the entire design open loop which can be done, so it will enable it to recycle the heat to self run and the faster it gets it will exceed in power.

Hope that make sense, because cop of 3 should be enough to self run with extra exceeding power depending on the design on the heat pump or a heat pump turbine of whatever form of technology, i am certain this principle is possible and would work.

Exceeding of energy? self run? is this possible? yes because it has momentum of energy where torque or work can be done and i have said it will get hotter to no end by reusing the energy and the reused energy has extras momentum due to zero point energy interaction in the process and this extra momentum is the exceeding of energy and this momentum is unequal like acceleration where it get hot to no end and unequal just like zero point and unequal in power generation.

If that is not the case if it had no momentum of unequal acceleration it would not get hot to no end which is the opposite of exceeding energy.

By reusing the heat and is quite clear it encourages even more heat to be extracted even faster i'll let you to think if this is an equal force, equal force of acceleration, people who know the heat pump know it has no limit as to how hot it gets be reusing the energy outputting and then reused.

The cop factor of 3 is a unequal force though is it not? it could have left over energy after using it to self run with left over energy which is exceeding power though so i'll let you reason with all i have said here, as in does this force of left over energy have any real torque or work in it, where would the energy come from?

The exceeding power could exceed even more, it is like as if it has broken the sound barrier into the unknown, the left over power which is exceeding meaning you can power a load from it, but i do not know where the energy comes from (which sustains the exceeding power and it could be unstable volatile at same time this unstable nature of energy is the key of over unity or free energy it self (because the unstable nature i think enables the use of the fully unequal force of power to create from the vacuum somewhere)though you have been taught to make the circuit stable with what you have learned in school or university regarding electric or energy circuits like the cavity or water hammer effects this is no exception) and any case this has to be tested to be accepted as evidence, or instead of powering a load use the exceeding energy to get even more energy out of it in a unequal fashion i think by putting the left over exceeding power of momentum into the heat extraction process which accelerates the process and getting even more power out because of it and would not be equal to power in and power out, this process of using excess energy is not equal but you get way more power out due to the acceleration or bending energy or unequal force, it would quadruple it self perpetually.

The reason why the water hammer or cavity is that it is banging the energy of the vaccum zpe and the process it is like an injection of energy from the vacuum simply put and the unstable nature of it is unequal force so the unstable aspect is unequal, unequal as in perpetually unequal perpetually unstable, unstable which you have been taught to prevent fully in your circuits, but it gets killed off in a closed loop circuit but open loop would be a good idea.


Dan


 


Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 04, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
Regarding the heat pump if you was to attempt this i think that the best approach is a fully open circuit that utilises parallel path technology maybe perhaps.

Yep whoever reads this all i have to say is theorize what created the universe, the power to create and the power creation force which is unknown.

If you put your current understanding while theorize it does not make sense or add up and is impossible with the way you see it but in denial or not knowing, not knowing the backbone behind everything where it outputs and then receives it back, regarding power to create and understanding energy which is like all connected or like a pack of dominoes it still does not make sense.

It would be impossible or very hard to explain and leave you speechless.

You cannot argue or discredit about what created the universe, all of mankind if they reason with, won't deny that if they have a open mind.

Even if they think if the power that created the universe does not have power to create which is what mainstream science wants to believe which does not make sense again because power to create can be idle doing nothing but the potential energy of power to create would be there or activated in a perpetual manner (which is what created the universe) and other unknown formality.

Also power to create does not convert it self fully but would somewhere, but the power to create is not a conversion force or conserving energy or converting energy which is what mainstream science and the flawed understanding of that regarding the heart of power to create.

So yea, that is my only defence of perpetual motion because a perpetual force created the universe if it wasn't the universe would not exist with reasoning they might just identify the power to create.

I am roughly am correct about that regarding the complexity of science.

Since every bit of creation has the power to create thanks to what created the universe and outputs and returns back to it in whatever state it is in, what would this force look like to you (if you can imagine or comprehend) unlike the massive problem of all forces are equal thinking which prohibit and is impossible to achieve real over unity or free energy which is what most people round the world can see like magnetic flux's and the like which is a struggle even for free energy pioneers around the globe as well as here in this forum or thread because they do not know about the power creation force and is working with partly flawed concepts and thinking that all forces are equal.

To me the creation power to create force and how i envision it, is that is accelerates to infinity getting longer in length as it accelerates instead of thinking all forces are equal though where it would not get longer in length, in a unequal fashion it quad quadruples it self instead of thinking all forces are equal.

There are things in science which also identify the process of when it accelerates it gets longer in length but it is an equal force and wastes energy where it can't recycle or enter energy in where this is totally different and alien at the same time.

What i am saying is that when it accelerates it is equal in acceleration which disables the core part of infinity, where this is opposite, it accelerates in unequal fashion and infinity is unequal, infinity is the speed of instantaneous never mind the limit of speed of light, the speed of light it self it out gunned by the power of infinity.

Infinity is instantaneous speed no matter the distance and within that thinking of it, will better comprehend as to why it goes off to infinity and power to create.

Because it is a very bendy force, it has to accelerate unequal because if it did not, infinity would not exist, if it accelerated in equal fashion it still would not make sense because of the limitations of equal forces where this is not, but if they can measure infinity that way they might come across signs that it is indeed an unequal force as to thinking it is equal.

Similar but yea this is a different breed of energy it self, it is not confined to the realms of forces being all equal in length.

If you try to measure infinity with a device that is limited to equal forces all i have to say either way, is that this energy is alien which is infinity as well as the device used to try and measure it.

speed of instantaneous is achieve with a unequal bendy force, the closer it is the slower it goes, but the further it gets the more it unevenly even further in length accelerates achieving instantaneous speed despite the distance which is the acceleration of free energy it self, sure it interacts with equal forces but yeah.

If you was at the far side of the universe or a few meters away it will be going at the speed of instant, and to achieve that infinity acceleration ultimately needs to be known fully to fully understand why this is the case.

It fits nicely as to people who talk about free energy or energy from the vacuum, knowing that this energy has those characteristics which is what i have said.

How would instantaneous speed be achieved if you was a few meters away or light years away in space it would have to be fully be unequal to reach the speed of instantaneous.

Hard to believe but i know it does go at the speed of instantaneous, if infinity speed was limit to speed of light then it would not be infinity and or have much less energy density that it does have.

Infinity has no limit as to how powerful it can be, right?

very difficult to explain but i did my best.

Dan.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 05, 2020, 10:19:54 AM
So yea the extraction process is at a loss and the entire system losses energy as well.


But if you put all of the cop 3 heat extracted back and is open loop at the extraction point otherwise this potential energy gets killed off meaning that whilst losing energy the energy from the extracted heat overcomes all loses to have energy to self run and with left over energy at same time which is excess energy where with excess energy real work can be done, so it is running fully off extracted energy and yes this is perpetual indeed with this process in a way.

Like a self running solar panel that is indeed perpetual in a way, so buy the possible perhaps perpetual in a way because of my ranting about what created the universe and power to create, it is perpetual in a way because it gets that fully from energy from the vacuum, the power creation force and interacts with it, if it doesn't get killed off so yea this method of a self runner with excess left over energy is possible as well if restrictions where not in place like a closed loop circuit.


So yea the push pull thinking does not apply with how it self runs with excess energy or thinking all forces are equal which means that the excess energy bit does not comply with forces being equal which fits nicely with my thinking about power to create or what created the universe etc,

So the whole system is a loss, and the efficiency does not get in the way if you improvise to get past the bit where this potential energy does not get killed off like a fully open circuit, so the only thing it can run from is the cop over 1 which is 3.

So start the heat pump and then works and then use the extracted energy back in again and repeat the process and because energy diminishes due to the losses it will output through those losses to be able to fully self run with left over power.

See it is indeed perpetual being proven here because if it wasn't it would not work and also the universe would not exist because of power to create.

The perpetual force to get it to self run with excess power undeniably is banging on the door but with known electric circuit methods and what to do would kill off the perpetual force from being used.

This perpetual force ultimately does exist but with the way electronic circuits are done it fully ignores this perpetual force and using a method where none of this perpetual force can be used.

So if you see it as i do about heat pump self running off extracted heat with left over excess energy so from what you can plainly see here is the character of the unequal power to create force unlike what most people can see which is all forces being equal, just to help you in a way to think outside of the box.

Regarding the equilibrium where a wave of energy or hertz as it accelerates gains amplitude but is within the equilibrium which means that the power is equal and can never achieve power to create, where as the equilibrium for power to create the equilibrium well let's just say the power to create exists outside the known limits of the equal equilibrium, some scientists theory that this could be the case where it exists outside of known limits and the limits fully prevent power to create process.

Regarding the entire understanding of the equal equilibrium right means that nothing can create or destroy ok so i believe there would be a power to create equilibrium or a power to destroy equilibrium, because well if the equilibrium was equal the universe would not exist at all and if tested there would be some evidence to say there is indeed a unequal equilibrium, ponder with this as well as taking my theory with a pinch of salt.
 
An unequal equilibrium going at the same rate as power to create so the equilibrium it self gains power and amplitude as it accelerates and perpetually increases, unlike a wave confined in a equal equilibrium where it accelerates and gains amplitude similar really but yes.

Between fully testing all equilibrium or the balanced equilibrium there would be evidence that would mean that there is a unequal equilibrium as well as other discovery's.

If the universe was created with a equal equilibrium something out of bounds that violates the limits or laws of the equal equilibrium would be detected fully and breaking all the laws of the equal equilibrium and this out of bounds means the unequal power of it all as to how the creation process works and the power creation is the holy grail of free energy.

I think zero point was detected like that, this out of bounds power means zero because it violates the equal equilibrium fully which it was tested on and is breaking all the known laws of it as well, well both complying and breaking it same time , it is the same when detecting something that goes faster than the speed of light which also was detected but sadly scientists resign over it but would have been a game changer and a winner at same time.

I already know zero point is the backbone of power to create or destroy but scientists are clued up and do not know it fully, the nature of the known zero point is bypassing the limits of the equal equilibrium, next comes is how is that so? well it is unequal power by nature breaking the equal equilibrium and if discovered further will discover the perpetual power to create or destroy in that, because zero is a wave bypassing the impossible to break equal equilibrium simply put, and is a alien different breed of energy.

As the zero point wave propagates further in a balanced equal equilibrium meaning it is not confined to all the laws of energy of the equal equilibrium but bypasses this, the wave of zero point propagates further because it is unequal power within a equal equilibrium and this is how it generates power or what created the universe and is perpetual.

The way the potential energy which causes zero point to propagate further is because it is unequal perpetual power which created and powers the universe and it is where all energy comes from because zero point is the backbone of creation and is behind every single creation and if zero point can't create it self then the universe would not exist in a equal equilibrium, so if the big bang that created the universe happened in a equal equilibrium the universe would not exist, because it can't create it self in a equal equilibrium, because the equal equilibrium is cannot create or destroy and this foundation cannot be rocked whatsoever but the nature of zero point would rock it fully with proof it bypasses the equal equilibrium.

Regarding that equal equilibrium it would both be possible and impossible as in confined in the equal equilibrium to break the laws of energy within the equal equilibrium, because the zero point propagation wave shows it won't stop expanding they have to stabilise the circuit by cutting the potential of this energy fully so it cannot well behave as it does in a perpetual nature, where if it bypasses you would not need to, the perpetual nature of it causes it to have no limit as to how much this energy expands, it is unlimited and perpetual indeed by nature and within it's ability to be unlimited they might just find the key of unlimited power and discover it's perpetual power because as it expands within the expand process a unequal perpetual force would be there.

Zero point it self will never measure equal equilibrium because it violates all known laws of physics that corresponds with the equal equilibrium but if it did this force won't be called zero point, and that is due to the perpetual nature of it.

So if scientists with their science equipment that can detect speeds that go faster than light then the same can be applied to the measurement of zero point in various factors and somewhere will pinpoint the unequalness of it which breaks the all known laws of the equal equilibrium, i would say to them that they have found a unequal perpetual power to create force which is the backbone of all creations and is the holy grail it self.

Hopefully does not get suppressed.

Either way to me regarding the self running heat pump i am on about, this is translated everywhere in the science world where devices solely run off extracted energy with cops greater than 1 but the efficiency and overall design losses energy every way but the cop greater than one overcomes all these losses all together and works as a self runner with excess left over unity energy but in a wasted manner because that is where the power torque or work can be done and can be possible to work fully.

So like a self running solar panel in everything, see it that way and it would be easy to understand and work if they can make it work but is not impossible though.

Yep running like a self running solar panel, running off cop greater than 1 which sustains and gives left over excess power to fuel a load even with all losses which don't prevent this process just a lesser cop but still over 1 when energy exits from the circuit self running as well as excess energy even with the supposed efficiency which prevents this fully but no because you need to do nothing about that as in the energy process it solves that, either with a zero point device that harvests subatomic energy in that manner or a heat pump which is what i was on about with heat, exact same principle with the self running heat pump i was talking about but with zpe subatomic interaction all of this, same principle but with electronics etc, the whole system at a loss, but the cop greater than 1 enables it to self run with a loss and with left over energy at a loss to power a load and actually work like that which is a self running solar panel with excess power in the process and yea it is indeed perpetual in a way because it gets its energy from zero point or power to create or the perpetual process.

Dan
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 06, 2020, 09:39:00 AM
The energy dissipation it self at the heart of it where it causes the circuit to get hot is ultimately not caused by a equal force where all forces are equal, but is the opposite of equal and thus causes the circuit to get hot and leads in a unbalanced unequal perpetual state going all the way down to zero point it self, and in zero point it has that perpetual power, i mean it was thought zero point had no energy but it does, and if you yank it or cause a vibration etc , it will cause energy to appear and be extracted within the vacuum it self whether balanced or not perpetual or not it will cause the vacuum to vibrate and get energy maybe getting the energy created by a perpetual power to destroy which is hot and is what zero point so where on earth would the energy come from if you cannot create or destroy and if all force being equal if it was all forces being equal you would never get energy from the vacuum whatsoever but was ultimately proven in science that energy does come from the sole power of zero point so yea meaning from a self powered perpetual state of energy where it is the back bone behind it all and returns back to it, meaning what i have said about all my rantings about power to create or power to destory, it self generates giving more out than in which is power to create or negative electric or power or the dead opposite of that is power to destory.

Every time you cause energy to be extracted from the vacuum every time you do that activates the perpetual power at the same time and due to the perpetual power it enables power to be extracted from the vacuum/zero point with whatever method, the perpetual power it self when active enables energy to be extracted from vacuum/zero point, if not then you can't extract energy from vaccum/zero point.

The perpetual power nature of it, is the catalyst or key which it self enables power to be extracted from the vacuum whether the extracted energy is equal or perpetual science with its non perpetual thinking thought it had no power which is dead opposite as to what they have found, it ultimately does have energy.

So getting energy from zero point is getting energy from the sole perpetual power of it in whatever form i.e. balanced equal force where all forces are equal or not unequal force.

It can be hot or cold, as in hot electric (unequal positive perpetual power to destroy where all circuits get hot) or cold electric (unequal negative perpetual power to create where all circuits get cold) regarding energy dissipation the momentum or potential of it is perpetual.

For one the collapsing field technique right is utilising the perpetual power process the collapsing field is unequal perpetual nature based way to get perpetual power, like in the same way you vibrate the vacuum to gain energy which is established in science and works the same way regarding the casmir effect, the only way it can self run with excess energy is the self running with excess energy heat pump i am on about regarding the cop over 1 regarding the collapsing field technique and forget the limits of efficiency it wont disable this potential to self run with losses with excess energy with losses so design it that way.

The collapsing field of course will draw energy from the environment and is indeed perpetual in a way because of the laws of energy converting or conversion which does not add in as to what created the universe and the way this converting conversion law works means that is wastes the energy in the process where as if you did not waste it will be banging on the door of negative cold electric power to create force , the collapsing field enables it to tap into the vacuum and it externally gets rescued and externally put back in to save it from the conversion/conserving law effect and this conversion or conserving law effect is different between a closed loop circuit where it cuts of the extraction ability or open where it does not cut off the extraction ability so with negative perpetual power to create cold electric the same can be applied to work fully, in a parallel fully open circuit which enables the energy extraction but then comes the problem of negative power to create force so it will enable it self to self run with excess power which can be done just like the problem of efficiency preventing it to self run with excess power which can be solved and i already know and in same way to allow negative power to enter so with power externally saved before the potential gets cut off right which will bang on negative cold electric power to create ok before it does it gets fully rescued and then externally put in again, this is all part of reusing the energy which recycles and the potential bangs on negative energy so with external energy put out then in, it harvests that energy to give it potential which it does and would exceed in power which is negative again so the circuit has to be parallel path fully open looped system so it does not get cut off, exactly the same with the self running heat pump with excess power or a self running solar panel with excess energy powered by the power to create force which created the universe and is negative cold electric power with losses every in the circuit and the losses in the entire circuit can't cut off the potential perpetual power to create energy anywhere which is cold and negative and alien at same time because the circuit is fully open and parallel at same time so it will work same with the self running heat pump with excess left over energy as a self running solar panel with a perpetual process.

So if you manage to achieve a self running solar panel with excess energy, with the whole system at a loss, like the heat pump i am on about, it is perpetual in a way and the potential this the perpetual force will be there and is an alien negative power to create energy right out of the box, so if you understand positive hot circuits it will be hard to understand the opposite equivalent of this and the electronic parts needed will be hard to get due to understanding of electronics etc which is parts designed for hot circuits not cold.

So yea regarding energy dissipation, this energy dissipation whether it is hot or cold, exists in a non equal perpetual equilibrium unlike a non perpetual equal equilibrium where every person understands so to understand better this better is wave propagation and how this force manifests, especially working out wave propagation with energy dissipation and maybe just find the key of perpetual power.

The way i see the casmir effect is it can be adapted to run solely off extracted energy with left over energy which is excess energy (and this excess energy potential is negative unlike where every circuit is hot and wastes energy)and i view the casmis effect device to be working like the same principles of the overunity meg device and it works fully like a self running solar panel with excess energy exactly like the self running heat pump i am on about and the excess energy potential is negative power electric (power to create) like the heat pump, if they ever find waves which they can to achieve this with the wave length, i mean studying the wave length of the self running heat pump with excess energy which is negative and they have to find that negative power to create energy for that to happen using the power creation process that created the universe which is fully alien negative energy.

You can clearly see the potential of the cold negative electric(power to create) force within reasoning thinking that a cop over 1 can indeed self run with excess energy so there you go, negative energy banging on the door and this is one way out of many to tap negative cold energy/electric unlike the opposite hot circuits and i believe that both hot or cold energy dissipation is incompatible with each other but take that with a pinch of salt.

Even if the potential of cold negative electric(power to create) force which is hard to understand is likely to be interpreted as some alien force and with current understanding of hot heat electrical dissipation, so the potential is undeniably there which is the cold negative electric(power to create) force and is trying to manifest in your circuit so it really does exist as that despite not manifesting could be interpreted as a unstable phenomena where the potential is polar opposite compared to a hot force when this is polar opposite cold force, the current understanding of laws of energy is not fully complete.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 06, 2020, 07:34:27 PM
I think single wire transmission is the key to tap into energy much more easy to understand.


Not much is known about single wire transmission well not to me anyways.

You could tune single wire transmission like a radio to suck in energy to whatever source of energy be it earth etc and the return i think will obviously harvest energy coming back in.

I think Tesla himself intended to use the simple physics of the single wire transmission to tap into energy sources and the process will indeed gather energy and suck it in the process.

Instead of thinking of using something else that is not single wire i think tesla did not treat it this way.

Using single wire transmission will solve a lot of problems and the dream of free energy is better accomplished this way, this single wire transmission works like an energy pump tapping into whatever source of power when it returns back to the single wire because it is open loop half in and half out.

Electrons attract electrons simple to understand with the single wire transmission and putting that energy into earth will do just that with single wire, it is like tapping into electrostatic of the earth which can power many city etc.

Or tapping into wheel work of nature via single wire transmission simple to understand.

If you apply single wire physics into everything then free energy devices will be much better understood so take that with a pinch of salt but yeah.

It would tap into the invisible electric network of the earth with invisible moving stator's and the like which is the wheel work and it in harmony with single wire transmission.

We need to know the full physics of single wire etc, because i can see that it has big potential to set us free from oil gas coal etc,

Yea big potential and very realistic free energy extraction and the like.

In the world of free energy all the designs etc, if it is not possible that it will run and exhausted every option, just apply single wire physics to it then it will be much more understandable.

Like a open ended receiver where you input energy and get energy out via single wire, and this way you have tapped into whatever energy source because energy in causes energy extraction and then outputs all of that and can self run with excess power at same time within the circuit that is, just like this self running heat pump with excess power and this does not break any known laws of energy at all really.

The limitations of electric is i think overcome with single wire physics and enables power extraction much more easy.

Dan.


Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 07, 2020, 10:06:15 AM
Hi IItfdaniel1,
Hi Dan,
Thank you for your reply.
You are obviously an educated person but you have written a whole textbook, my friend! :) You really tell us many interesting facts which are true by themseves but which are not related to the present topic however. Please focus on the topic, if possible.
Looking forward to your answer.
George
 
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 07, 2020, 02:47:10 PM
Thank you yes, i could not help my self.

Anyways i went on about that because giving food for thought, to discover possibly how this alien energy works which is power to create and how it behaves because it isn't a well known source of potential power but is would be easy to identify what it is with simplified physics.

I might be wrong but, scientists believe zero point won't go beyond zero point, if that was the case then the getting energy from it is impossible, no? - this confirms in someway that i am correct > https://phys.org/news/2019-10-quantum-vacuum-energy.html (https://phys.org/news/2019-10-quantum-vacuum-energy.html) this energy is a different kettle of fish because zero point is sustained by positive as in positive to positive perpetual that is fully frozen as it amounts to zero and cannot self perpetuate on it's own and idle energy transfer and fully positive to positive.

What i am trying to say regarding nature of zero point, is that positive follows positive, and is fully positive with nothing negative in it what so ever, unlike conventional electric where positive follows negative.


But if it comes in contact with negative energy then it cannot utilize the negative energy whatsoever (but for it to go beyond zero however it has to interact with negative and this is the only way of doing it as in techniques of communication between positive and negative and must be explored) because the nature of the energy with this cannot be positive follows negative it ultimately does not work like that if not then science would be able to get energy but have not, even super intelligent extra terrestrial ruler of the universe will agree as to how incompatible it really is, even he would have great trouble with it as in trying to get it to work etc but then if quantum mechanics energy interchange works between the positive and negative forces then there is a possibility (incompatible because when positive collides with negative this is the only process i know of same way it causes it to go under zero)because energy does actually appear to zero point but there is no known way as to how to get energy from it, as in getting energy solely from zero point, but if they identify negative energy then they would make some progress to tackle this hard reality because the energy that appears to zero point (energy that comes and goes out of existence which comes from the negative)is coming from the negative incompatible force obviously so in some way mainstream science knows about negative energy which is power to create and its energy dissipation is cold unlike hot circuits that most of mankind uses.
 
I whole heartily do not recommend going beyond zero because the understanding of zero point or quantum mechanics, zero point is the ultimate prison for energy and i am right about that.

I with my theory i think it goes beyond zero point in the process gets energy interaction (where both negative and positive cannot collide in a way where positive and negative in electric circuits and create a anti lenz force so in that way)that way in a perpetual way when negative collides with positive it causes some interesting effects, take that with a pinch of salt but has to be tested, i believe it that zero point is positive explosive energy perhaps and the dead opposite is incompatible with it which is the negative opposite equivalent of it, and the way it gets energy regarding zero point gets it from the perpetual power to create where as zero point is power to destroy and thus incompatible but vibrates in a perpetual fashion against the negative implosive energy.

The perpetual power of zero point which is hot explosive positive power to destroy energy, cannot perpetuate on it's own (because it is a mimic of a force) and if it can't then energy from zero point is impossible and this is what science fully believed in the first place, so it has to get the perpetual power from the negative power to create force by vibrating the dormant perpetual power of zero point it against the perpetual negative power to create to get it to perpetuate and thus get energy with the inter exchange of energy between positive explode zero point and the incompatible power to create.

So when the two incompatible forces vibrate causing a perpetual effect, within the inter exchange of energy where it cancels each other in a way just to make it easier to understand out actually causes a perpetual effect so negative and positive can work like that and all other unknown methods just like that, instead of getting no energy regarding cancelling of positive and negative regarding magnets (regarding anti lenz law effect) but if you do this with zero point positive and power to create negative instead of cancelling each other out due to the nature of zero point would actually create a perpetual effect indeed well the effect ultimately would have caused something for sure unlike being completely landlocked because zero point is the ultimate prison of energy.

The energy potential of going below zero is a fully perpetual effect, if all energy being equal then well it would never go below zero.

So change of subject, regarding broken symmetry from http://www.cheniere.org/references/brokensymmetry.htm (http://www.cheniere.org/references/brokensymmetry.htm) is crucial to enable the solar panel effect but instead of the sun but receiving energy from the vacuum like the sun, and if you excite energy in this manner regarding broken symmetry it would knock on negative energy power to create potential and work like a solar panel but with that potential.

So regarding zero point (positive power to destory) and the (negative power to create) like when two forces cancel each other out regarding electronic magnets, but with this different kettle of fish where the nature of beyond zero is fully a completely unequal force that breaks the all forces being equal right in the bin ok science that treats the interaction between positive and negative right, they cannot do any energy interaction because they do not believe in perpetual power and are using the converting or conserving energy and they can't get anywhere with that regarding understanding the sole power of zero point.

Anyways,



I can't add anything to the current topic so i will be quiet now,

Dan.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 08, 2020, 09:22:08 AM
So when energy appears by going in and out of existence which science detects and they wonder how to get this energy with the zero point process, this is the potential of negative power to create where it is perpetual in  way and just like self running heat pump with excess left over power so in that sense.


Also for it to achieve less than zero, it does not make sense if you view it from a converting or conserving effect, but would make more sense from a perpetual sense, going beyond zero means it has bypass the all forces being equal where perpetual power is well not enabled with the all forces being equal simply put and is perpetually in it's form by going beyond zero which has been proven.


Due to the nature of zero point and the understanding of it means that this is a one sided view of it and very hard to see past it but if you can see negative potential in it then yes, because there are two opposites zero point which is positive (and science seems to think only positive exists) and is a ultimate prison of energy and thus can't do this or that because it goes down to zero, where as negative implosion where it goes right up to up is dead opposite of the laws established in science and the laws as based of the ultimate prison of energy which is zero point and is incompatible and within the incompatible manifests the understanding of impossible and within that it give the dead opposite of more out than in effect and the power to create unlike zero point actually break them in a fully incompatible opposite manner regarding energy dissipation in a freely state it breaks the prison in a opposite manner and in the opposite manner the prison of energy effect ultimately does not apply with this regarding the negative power to create force.

They are two parallels of energy and have no interaction what so ever regarding the two parallel energy which is zero point positive power to destroy and the negative power to create, if you try to connect both forces like an electric circuit well that is fully impossible i think but yea because of positive to positive an fully positive nothing can come in or out regarding how impossible it is to get energy from vacuum.

The potential of energy dissipation where the momentum cause electric circuit to be hot is beyond zero effect.

Regarding the bedini motor it use a energy exciter and the Stanley Meyer hydrogen thingy energy excitation of hydrogen production, it uses the re guageing effect and to understand that it works like a solar panel pump and like the self running heat pump with excess energy left over well like that so read this > http://www.cheniere.org/references/brokensymmetry.htm both the stanley and bedini motor works with that exact priniciple, and it the same breed as the image of this website > https://phys.org/news/2019-10-quantum-vacuum-energy.html so look at the image of broken syrmmetry website and the other phys.org image website i mean both images as in harmony with how the nature of this energy corresponds.

So if negative power to create energy is better known then you can tune into that negative energy and i think this is possible like tuning in a radio to the desired frequency, so instead of the hot frequency you solely tap into the negative power to create which will cause the circuit to get cold and colder that is if they have worked out how to tap into the heart of negative power to create energy which is fully incompatible when compared to hot or zero point power to destory.

Tuning in to the negative to negative energy manifestation where it is fully negative unlike the incompatible positive to positive which is fully positive where energy returns back to the core perpetual power of either zero point positive hot power to destroy or the opposite power to create cold.

This reasoning with positive to positive and why the circuit gets hot would be understood anyways take that with pinch of salt, if they work out negative to negative and why it gets cold is off to a good start.

I think the way we understand energy and all the electrical equipment etc is designed for hot current power to destroy energy and it would be incompatible unless you know if it allows sole negative power on its own or not, just like the sole power of positive energy which is power to destroy energy it is how that energy manifests behind it.

Energy generated by coal whatever done by power stations does not give a single watt out (because the perpetual effect to create that watt in the first place apply's here and the perpetual way this watt manifests from the power station, its potential is indeed perpetual as to how this watt travels into your power socket, its momentum is done by perpetual process otherwise this watt would not exist as in no power coming from the power station if the perpetual effect is not there which comes back to create nor destroy again if the perpetual effect within create nor destroy is how the watt manifests so within the create nor destroy for the watt to manifest somewhere is the perpetual effect for that to happen within create nor destroy so for the watt to manifest is perpetuates it self within a create nor destroy environment externally i think) due to the conversion process so that is impossible because of create a watt does not exist here and destroy a watt also does not apply so figure out the true potential of how these watts manifest, i think they manifest fully outside of create nor destroy in a full external manner in a perpetual way (fully bypassing the convert or energy conservation or the conserving of energy, look at it that way if that makes sense or not)  or not but both perpetual or not fully apply here due to state of energy being active or not, this reasoning is simple and understood.

If the converting of energy or converting or the conserve of energy get in the way and same with all of the known laws of electric in fact then the watt will never manifest, it bypasses that fully i mean breaks the laws of known electric for it to manifest and behind that i think somewhere a perpetual process is responsible as to how the watt manifests and will lead you with this thinking to better understand as to how to get free energy etc and is very probable, the momentum of the potential charge of electric is not prevented by all know laws of electric and is done fully external like a open loop circuit which does not prevent energy extraction well similar which enables power to manifest so you need to know as to how this energy manifests behind it all behind the creation of the electric.

Because for the electric to self sustain it self is propelled by a perpetual force an this perpetual nature can be activate or not, if it wasn't propelled by a perpetual force then you can say bye to electric power manifestation in your home power socket.

It is a form of reactive power, the process of how electric manifests in the impossible hot power to destroy circuit but the manifest of it all the electric is done by a negative power to create force so you can indeed tap into that already really and all of its perpetual processes and y nature of it , it will do the opposite which is breaking the laws of energy which is established with the hot positive explosive power to destroy energy, it done by a fully external way for it to manifest and in the process it does not completely shut down all the mechanisms meaning all perpetual mechanisms are not prevented and can manifest ability for it to self perpetuate otherwise if not then no energy manifestation will occur in your home power socket regrading the all mechanisms of perpetual, it can push giving over unity within a all force being equal hot circuit and the momentum of this is like beyond zero limit which was proven and can happen but yea

You would get implosions of cold electric within that hot totally incompatible circuit with the nature of the two opposite energy's which are fully incompatible with each other but electric manifests within the impossible incompatible energy's so the power manifest of the electron is linked to the cold power to create force and if fully used it would cause the opposite which is where the circuit gets cold instead of hot.

If electric came from hot source zero power power to destroy then there would be no electric in existence but if it came from a power to create then it will exist and it returns back the energy to what made it exist in the first place.

Within the laws of energy ok, if the electron behaved like the laws of electric directly with what self sustains the electrons existence not externally , think about this, there would be no electric in existence and no electric power manifest so it bypasses the understanding of electric fully externally where these laws have no effect meaning you can break the so called laws of energy realistically fully yea.

When people say it breaks the laws of physics and energy just remember there are only 2 opposites basically speaking one by nature and another one by nature, two fully incompatible sources of energy that cannot inter exchange with each other.

One force equates to impossible manifesting the impossible and the other one manifesting the possible with the possible.

Don't get the two opposing energy's mixed up with explain it with the laws of known energy, it is one sided and the laws are fully based off hot explosive power to destroy and hardly anything about the power to create force, there would be two sets of laws of energy i think.

If the perpetual power as to how electric manifest is prevented there would be no electric manifest what so ever.

Regarding parallel path technology it can be possible to tap into negative (implosion) to negative (implosion) and have energy interaction that way leading to a full negative induction and this way enable the possible to possible way, in a way like with single wire power transmission perhaps but take that with a pinch of salt, it has to tap it like that way to enable the ultimate holy grail of free energy, and will be accused of breaking all known laws of energy so with the way parallel works in each single parallel there is only negative imposition energy is needed and that will enable the full potential of power to create.


If you know why energy works like that regarding negative to negative and only negative with no positive then you will be much more likely to succeed.

Anyways you have read my metaphysics theory's of things, science actually needs metaphysics.

Anyways read > “The EmDrive has officially made it through peer review, which is amazing because it literally breaks every law of physics.” from https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1219586/nasa-news-physics-broken-albert-einsten-emdrive-spacecraft-engine-tested-spt seems to be legit and credible and supports my theory of the ability to break the laws of energy.

Also read > http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2017/03/the-impossible-quantum-space-engine.html

I have nothing to add (twice i posted this) but was interesting so i explaining in this way so am now finished so i be quiet now,


Dan.





Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 09, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
With the way we know of the casmir acceleration effect with a equal equilibrium effect, regarding what the arrows look like here is a quantum fluctuation. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCasimir_effect&psig=AOvVaw3J0kY-sSxkLPiq9Hy6zug0&ust=1583842097377000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCICF3N6tjegCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD .


The casmir effect is not in a unequal perpetual equilibrium but if you capture the acceleration effect it will indeed break the laws of physics, like when the two plates are near creating a flow of energy from nothing which is concluded as to why they do think it breaks it due to the perpetual nature of how it manifest and indeed perpetual effect being witness here.


Casmir effect where it gives energy when two plates are near right causing that effect, this effect can be used in many ways, the arrows of acceleration potential right is the effect of when two plates are near indeed giving a force out of nothing i.e. that is well and truly is a perpetual effect and is repulsive i think


With that effect it can be multiplied over and over with no limit like the heat pump i was on about within a equal equilibrium and the way you see rotational power that occurs with this effect out of nothing actually will accelerate with power from nothing roughly saying and indeed will work in that manner, but it won't give excess energy left over energy that is and the potential will i think well draw no usable power potential of whatever because it is within a equal equilibrium where the force is equal and all forces being equal limit but would work and accelerate out of nothing which does ultimately break the laws of energy.


So the energy from casmir force can be re put in again to a unlimited acceleration the bit where it gives energy from nothing and reputing the energy back in to where it came from to multiply the acceleration effect of it and will work.

If that is understood and applied what you will see would be the impossible really, it would look like a perpetual machine due to the nature of the casmir force and how it gets energy from no input of energy.

No input? well again science has ultimately proven it gets energy from no input and the energy exceeds beyond the no input bit (the energy that exceeds in a unequal perpetual measure within a equal equilibrium which isn't perpetual are the big arrows and the no input bit is the small arrows of the picture of casmir force) which is the perpetual acceleration effect and it indefinitely is a sole perpetual effect without a doubt.

So if you get energy from no input and then reputing that energy from nothing back to it again, it will cause it to accelerate to no end whatsoever, just like the heat pump with cop over 1 and putting that heat back into the extraction  process causing it to get hot to no limit and it would have potential to have left over excess energy to power a load which is negative energy potential from perpetual power to create process in a way, so think of it like that but with the casmir effect where it gives energy from nothing whatsoever and see what perpetually happens and will do the impossible there.

But the casmir effect is a different kettle of fish energy, it would be replusive against repulsive to achieve the unlimited acceleration effect like a repulsive magnet motor and work but with magnet motors well the problem is trying to get it to work with magnetic gates but if conventional powered magnet motors that it does bypass the gate to give motion then the permanent magnet motor could work but in another way.

This is quite clear understood, so the energy from nothing causing the energy from nothing to be accelerated to no end also apply here.

So this casmir effect giving energy from completely nothing can be reused to get energy more energy like a perpetual pump of some sort but yea, it would accelerate on its own with no input and the way that works is the beyond zero process i think which is unequal equilibrium which is perpetual.

It will accelerate with seeming potential but you can't get any energy from it same way with the problem with scientists knowing you can't get energy from casmir effect but it won't prevent it from accelerating to no end which is unlimited acceleration potential so there you go a seemingly perpetual machine indeed but look closer though it is within a equal equilibrium where all forces being equal meaning it isn't perpetual but this acceleration process is a dip beyond equal equilibrium.

If you understand quantum mechanics the better you know how it breaks the laws of energy and is indeed possible and can be done like that and i believe in the process which i understand can fully break the laws of energy.


So this casmir force it is greater than 1, and if you use all of that energy which is greater than 1, you will get an ever more expansive energy in a unequal equilibrium perpetual nature of what it truly is it would mean it is even much much greater than 1 from where it began with because you are reusing all of the energy back to where it came from, because the output is much greater then the input, and the arrows of the casmir forces shows this and the input is nothing which is all forces being equal so the effect comes from the beyond zero effect where all forces are unequal

With this force if fully understood and applied to everything, would mean the obvious impossible which it truly is, but it is withing a equal equilibrium, you could have electric circuits that would need alot of energy but with this it can run with a few miliamps of power instead of, a few hundred megawatts but you won't be able to use this abundant energy which is what everyone will find, and what science knows about nature of casmir effect and fully knowing wnhy you can' get energy from it but with my thinking it could be possible to get usable work from it but yea.

So when i mean it is greater than 1 and then re putting that energy giving a far far greater than 1 , i mean in this process the small arrows get ever smaller and the big arrows get further bigger in a perpetual sense and does work exactly as that and it would accelerate like that with an every increasing power/torque actual work in the process getting greater to no end, it will increase in power/torque/work to no end with the acceleration process of the casmir force.

The waves of that picture is the equal equilibrium which is not perpetual and the arrows is the unequal perpetual equilibrium but somewhere you could tap into this useful power maybe externally so the potential does not get cut off and extract/harvest then could be possible as all things could be possible with the nature of quantum mechanics.

So in that sense using casmir forces, both repelling each other will give energy/power/torque powered from the nothing and gain even more nothing and power, like in the same way with the cancelling of forces which is the anti-lenz force, but that gives a neutral cancelled out equal power.

I seem to think the negative resistor is in fact a casmir effect device, using two repulsive parallel plates to gain and magnify the energy to no end and then in between the repelling forces manifests energy and externally tapping the energy in between fully externally that to possible gain energy extraction so you can actually use this energy for work.

It is like nuclear fission or the spliting of the atmo to get electric like with fuel cells but with this yea (casmir effect) regarding the emdrive it is exactly the same when two casmir plates give repulsive energy from nothingness of the vaccum but the real energy is from beyond zero point or beyond the nothingness and that it how it manifests power which science knows of.

I seem to think that by going beyond zero possibly that is how it breaks the laws of energy but use this to conclude and has to be tested but is possible for it to go beyond zero.

But apparently the casmir forces plates on it's own creates a repulsive effect though from the news about casmir force so yeah i think that manifest is beyond zero or maybe use an input of power whichever but this is dangerous because i don't recommend to people who do not know the power to destory which is what the casmir effect is of, so be very very careful.

Maybe the casmir force done by plates just acts like a solar panel with no input, i don't know all of this has to be tested but the theory is pretty understandable.

So yea with negative entropy in quantum mechnics and the negative entropy, it enables the possible effect and the possible effect violates the laws of it all and comes from power to ccreate negative energy.

So when the negative entropy effects a positive one, it bypasses the restriction fully where it would have been thought to be totally impossible.

Because this is a permanent energy it explains why things are impossible or possible.

So the casmir effect plates whatever, they work exactly like a solar panel but different and you could maybe use a earth battery or whatever to power it, so two repelling positive power to destroy forces cancelling each other out to give in between that a negative power to create force, and if somehow you could tap the cold negative power to create it would have to be done with single wire physics, or single wire transmission, the reason for this is because the energy is one way only and a single wire or single wire physics fit this nicely if it is possible or not but yea.

Maybe if you power two casmir plates using earth battery it might just automatically tap into the negative power to create implosion force because energy being interlinks and that will come from the earths electric circuit which is connected to negative power to create cold electric.

https://overunity-generator-guide.blogspot.com/2019/10/radiant-energy-machine-cold-electricity.html

https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/nikola-teslas-radiations-and-cosmic-rays

I might not be correct with all of this, but just some food for thought.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on March 10, 2020, 09:00:17 PM
To George1, if you want a free lunch of true perpetual power/free energy click this link > https://overunity.com/18428/real-free-energy-from-magnets/msg543667/#new (https://overunity.com/18428/real-free-energy-from-magnets/msg543667/#new) and read my post.


You are an educated person you will see very clearly i am right by comparing the self running heat pump but with the gyroscope by clicking that link regarding the facts.


Dan
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 11, 2020, 02:09:27 PM
Hi Dan,
I will consider carefully the link in your last post. But meanwhile I would like ask you to read carefully the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf and answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" Yes or no?
Looking forward to your answer.
George


Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on March 29, 2020, 04:23:36 PM
Any opinions, recommendations, positive critique?
Please read carefully the link https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf and answer the following simple question: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" Yes or no?
Looking forward to your answer.
George
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 05, 2020, 03:40:53 PM
Some interesting discussion occurs in besslerwheel.com/forum. This discussion is related to our zigzag conception. The title of the topic is just the same, that is, "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?". Please have a look at this discussion, if you like. It would be interesting if you share your opinions about this discussion.
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 12, 2020, 04:29:14 PM
Hi everyone,
Any opinions related to the discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum? (This discussion is related to our zigzag conception. The title of the topic is just the same, that is, "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?".)
Looking forward to your answer.
George1
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 20, 2020, 03:05:01 PM
Hi everyone,
1) THEORY and PRACTICE! Two words! It is a SIMPLE OBVIOUS FACT that if a certain scientific THEORY is correct, then the related PRACTICE has to be also correct. And if you have any objections against this SIMPLE OBVIOUS FACT, then you have some mental problems for sure.
2) In overunity.com and in besslerwheel.com/forum we (our team) released ABSOLUTELY FREE two pieces of THEORETICAL research, whose titles are " IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively. For these two pieces of scientific THEORETICAL research is valid the statement in the previous item 1.
3) These two pieces of scientific THEORETICAL research (mentioned in the above item 2) unambiguously show (no serious and reasonable THEORETICAL  objections within a period of two years in overunity.com and in besslerwheel.com/forum) that the law of conservation of energy and the law of coservation of linear momentum are not always correct. But there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact as any rule/law has its exceptions.
4) Our third piece of technology is a new electric technology which increases many times (at least twice as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard electric vehicle on a single charge.
5) Our new electric technology has both THEORY and PRACTICE. In other words, we have a WORKING PROTOTYPE which perfectly confirms the correctness of the theoretical concept on which is based the principle of operation of our new electric technology. The latter is practically ready for production on a large industrial scale.
6) The secret of our new electric technology however is NOT FREE. It costs already 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars and this price will further rise if our first two pieces of THEORETICAL  research (mentioned in the above item 2) do not win public recognition in the nearest future.
7) These 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars will be used mainly for charity and only a small part of this money will be used for some R&D work.
8) We (our team) are looking for buyers of the secret of our new electric technology (and of our next 7 (seven) inventions and technology innovations).
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George1     
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on April 26, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
Prof. S. L. Srivastava did not notice the O. U. It's obvious. Otherwise  he would become a Nobel prize winner. (The same for his Russian/Soviet colleagues 50 years ago.)
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Please read carefully the text below.
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1) THEORY and PRACTICE! Two words! It is a SIMPLE OBVIOUS FACT that if a certain scientific THEORY is correct, then the related PRACTICE has to be also correct. And if you have any objections against this SIMPLE OBVIOUS FACT, then you have some mental problems for sure.
2) In overunity.com and in besslerwheel.com/forum we (our team) released ABSOLUTELY FREE two pieces of THEORETICAL research, whose titles are " IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", respectively. For these two pieces of scientific THEORETICAL research is valid the statement in the previous item 1.
3) These two pieces of scientific THEORETICAL research (mentioned in the above item 2) unambiguously show (no serious and reasonable THEORETICAL  objections within a period of two years in overunity.com and in besslerwheel.com/forum) that the law of conservation of energy and the law of coservation of linear momentum are not always correct. But there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact as any rule/law has its exceptions.
4) Our third piece of technology is a new electric technology which increases many times (at least twice as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard electric vehicle on a single charge.
5) Our new electric technology has both THEORY and PRACTICE. In other words, we have a WORKING PROTOTYPE which perfectly confirms the correctness of the theoretical concept on which is based the principle of operation of our new electric technology. The latter is practically ready for production on a large industrial scale.
6) The secret of our new electric technology however is NOT FREE. It costs already 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars and this price will further rise if our first two pieces of THEORETICAL  research (mentioned in the above item 2) do not win public recognition in the nearest future.
7) These 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars will be used mainly for charity and only a small part of this money will be used for some R&D work.
8) We (our team) are looking for buyers of the secret of our new electric technology (and of our next 7 (seven) inventions and technology innovations).
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George1   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 03, 2020, 03:23:57 PM
Hi everyone,
1) "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1" up-to-now discussions unambiguously show that the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum are not always correct. But there is nothing special, tragic and disturbing in this fact as any rule/law has its exceptions. That's all.
2) We are selling our next 8 (eight) inventions. As a first step we are selling a new electric technology, which increases many times (at least twice as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard electric vehicle on a single charge. Actually we are selling a WORKING PROTOTYPE together with a full description of its principle of operation.
3) Our new electric technology can be successfully used in any battery-based electric device. For example if our new electric technology is used in an ordinary standard electric torch, then its working hours would be increased many times (at least twice as a minimum) preserving at the same time its standard rated intensity of light. So the electric torch industry could realize a good financial jump by using our new electric technology. (Please note that in many emergency cases the duration and the  intensity of an electric torch light are of vital importance for saving of human lives for example.)
4) We have some ideas for how to sell our new electric technology. We are negotiating now with some big companies. At the same time however we are open for collaboration. If some member of this forum suggests a smart method of selling of our new electric technology and/or takes part in the selling process, then he/she would firstly earn good money and secondly, he/she would indirectly contribute to our charity causes.
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Looking forward to your answer.
George1
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 10, 2020, 03:12:07 PM
Any buyer of our new electric technology? Any good idea for a successful selling of our new electric technology? (As mentioned in our previous post we are negotiating now with some big companies, but any help/any good idea is welcome.)
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 17, 2020, 05:43:08 PM
1) 40,000,000 (forty) million dollars! This is the price (for the present!) of our new electric technology that increases twice (as a minimum) the distance traveled by any standard electric vehicle on a single charge. Actually this new electric technology is our third piece of overunity conception (that is, let's say, 1W at the inlet, 2W at the outlet and efficiency = 2, respectively; the same for 1kW/2kW, 10kW/20kW, etc.), but this time it is experimentally proved. There is a working prototype which can be dullicated/copied as many times as you want (in several variations), if you are familiar with the related basic principle of operation.
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2) 1,000,000 (one) million dollars prize will be awarded to that member of this forum who can create a method for a successful selling of our third piece of overunity technology, mentioned in previous item 1.
(Note. Big companies seem to be heavy bureaucratic machines, which work in a very slow manner. Besides big companies' officers of different ranks as if tend to avoid taking responsibilities of any kind. Many of these officers (mainly in US) demonstrate total lack of business and/or technology competence. Furthermore our first two pieces of technology ("IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1") have not won public recognition yet and because of this they are still not famous enough and they are still of no interest to the general public. So as a final result the mentioned-in-our-previous-posts negotiations have been dragging on a little.
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3) 1,000,000 (one) million dollars prize will be awarded to that member of this forum who can create a method, which is able to win QUICKLY public recognition for the concepts, described in "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and in "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1". (If the concepts, described in "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and in "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1", win public recognition, then the negotiations, mentioned in the above 'Note', would accelerate substantially for sure.
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4) It is evident that 2,000,000 (two) million dollars prize will be awarded to that member of this forum who can create simultaneously the two methods, described in previous items 2 and 3.
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So rack your brains and earn some good money, and invest it in your own OU projects. (I am sure that most members of this forum have OU (and other non-standard) projects of their own.)   
Title: Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
Post by: George1 on May 24, 2020, 05:56:13 PM
1,000,000 (one) million dollars prize will be awarded to that member of this forum who can create a method, which is able to win QUICKLY public recognition for the concepts, described in "IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?" and in "A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1".