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lancaIV

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #645 on: June 11, 2021, 05:08:45 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB4RMIWroMY


Happy Sabado,aeh ::) ,weekend and sunny days wishing (if not desert-common ;D )


Shalom,shalom aleikum


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #646 on: June 12, 2021, 10:03:57 AM »
To lancaIV.
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Hi lancaIV,
Nice video! Thank you for it! It is always a pleasure to correspond with you! :)
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #647 on: June 12, 2021, 10:25:26 AM »
To Jerry Volland.
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1) Ah, this is already another song! :) Your last post is reasonable and smart. Please give me some time to consider it carefully. I will write to you in the nearest future.
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2) By the way, why don't you make a simple wire model of the zigzag device (PART 3 of our first video) and experiment on your kitchen table? Reduce friction as much as possible by using in the beginning an ordinary soap mash for example. Try different shapes and number of zigzags. It will be interesting for you, I am sure. One of our first zigzag-concept-related experiments many years ago was just of that kind  -- wire zigzag (and other forms of) frames, which were sliding over a horizontal kitchen table.       

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #648 on: June 14, 2021, 02:37:08 PM »
To Jerry Volland (and to all other members of this forum, who are interested in our zigzag concept).
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1) Please look again at PART 3 of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&t=24s  . Please focus on the “upper” zigzag case.
2) Ma = 1 kg.
3) Mb = 4 kg.
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4) Va’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 1 m/s = const.
5) Vb’ =  pre-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0 m/s; the black component is motionless.
------------------------------------
6) Va” = during-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
7) Vb” = during-zig-zag velocity of the black component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
8) Vy = during-zig-zag velocity of each couple blue rod-blue ball along the Y-axis = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
------------------------------------
9) Va”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 0.6 m/s = const.
10) Vb”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0.1 m/s = const.
------------------------------------
11) According to the third Newton’s law and to the related law of conservation of linear momentum we can write down the equalities
((Ma) x (Va’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb’)) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))      <=>
<=>  ((Ma) x (Va’)) + 0 =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (Ma) x (Va’) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (1 kg) x (1 m/s) = ((1 kg) x (0.6 m/s)) +  ((4 kg) x (0.1 m/s))     <=>
<=>  1 kg.m/s = 1 kg.m/s.
12) In one word, the values of Va”, Vb” and Vy are actually of no interest to us.  Actually only the values of Va’, Va”’ and Vb”’ are of interest to us as these three values determine the validity of the third Newton’s law and the related law of conservation of linear momentum.
13) The mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball is much smaller than the mass of the blue T-shaped component. For example if Ma=1kg, then the mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball must be equal to, let’s say, 0.0001 kg (and even smaller).
14) In our numerous real experiments we strongly reduce friction and the mean values of  Va”’ and Vb”’ are equal to 0.5999992 m/s and to 0.0999997 m/s, respectively, that is, Va”’ = 0.5999992 m/s and  Vb”’ =  0.0999997 m/s. The latter clearly shows that the experimental error (due to friction) is much smaller than 1 % and this experimental error is perfectly acceptable.
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Please ask your questions, if any. We are ready to answer.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #649 on: June 14, 2021, 02:40:21 PM »
The yellow head with the black spectacles in our last post must be replaced by number 8 followed by the bracket symbol ")". The system keeps generating some constant defect related to the writing of number eight.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #650 on: June 15, 2021, 06:43:29 AM »
" .....You can't moving a space ship by pushing against a brake ...."
Hello,Mister Volland !

Taking a/each  " brake" as resistance

On street a brake= generator  as energy recuperator

In space,low gravity and density,"Gedankenexperiment" similar light-sail/light-pressure-drive :
the hydrostatic paradoxon model,~ 3-ways-valve~ T ,vertical to  horizontal position or 360° positioning flexible ,as drive ?
SincereOCWL

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #651 on: June 15, 2021, 09:58:53 AM »
But by writing about hydro- also in mind aero- and in space an electro-gravity static (" paradox") T-model
like Thomas Townsend Brown his motionless "pump" !

And by T : this can also be unlinear=  curvativ,like an umbrella !

And yes,clearly there has by the space ship light-sail to be an external light source ,or we use piezo-/pyro-cristals their Klirrfactor ( or Zt/Q ratio )  !

Sincere
OCWL

p.s.: inventor : Herbert Leupold Applicant : US Army theme/Title or abstract : magic ring
      the light foil here the outer ring ~ riplet-foil with triboelectric function

    ( like p-n or double-band-/foils capacitor )e-gun like revolving space drive ship/shuttle
A "round sphere" ,drop like ,with soap-bubble-like "second skin" ?


On Earth : gun/ballistic munition push/impulse for-/backward forces
In "Space":        !?

p.s.II : Do we need " physical spaceships/shuttle" ?
            Klaus Rassbach DE4215818 New matter creation

         Start-havn    matter/materia -2-light creation
         beamed to Target-/Ziel-havn  and light-2-matter/materia recreation


       Real materia or virtual-e-clones ( humans/things  holographical Copy)

       Real-Time and Real-Space to Hyper-Time and Hyper-Space


      How many faults can we do to change the society "body orientation" to "personality/memoriam orientation" ?
                                                                                                          not : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_diamond
                                                                                                          but : the individuum liveliness



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjP9IFx9H1Y


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AEm301_EHQ  Eigenfear ,Eigenpain ,Eigenjoy,Eigenproperty

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #652 on: June 15, 2021, 11:32:00 AM »
To lancaIV.
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Hi there,
Please give me some time to consider carefully your posts. I will write to you in the nearest future.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #653 on: June 15, 2021, 11:38:05 AM »
To JerryVolland.
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I see. I will explain.
Firstly, do you accept the validity of the text of our post of June 14, 2021, 02:37:08 PM? Do you have any objections?
Looking forward to your answer.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #654 on: June 16, 2021, 10:44:23 AM »
@lancalV:


T.T.Brown used electrokinetic energy, not electrogravitic.  I have a picture somewhere of a candle next to a lifter.  The flame is blowing off to the side and straight down, as a reaction to the hv Field's penetrating presence.  (The field IS the presence).  With electrogravitic energy, the flame would stretch upwards instead.


And do we really need a space ship?  Not if we could just teleport to a distant planet.  Out in interplanetary vacuum, I'd still want a ship.  WITH mobility.


http://www.rexresearch.com/thornson/thornson.htm
and followed by search machine : " Mach-Lorentz thruster" ?

included : https://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/Astro-Siesta/astro_danielep_2.pdf

https://www.google.com/search?q=Mach-Lorentz+thruster&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=Mach-Lorentz+thruster&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30.9953j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

and a german inventor named Erich Mehnert his applied ideas
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=erich+mehnert&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

and Max Mueller Friedrich
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=max+mueller+friedrich&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=2335220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19750130&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP





Related the Leupold/US Army " magic ring " Klaus Rassbach his " ring device"


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820715&CC=DE&NR=3048277A1&KC=A1


and Martin Hauck his magnet ring array



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=65&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910411&CC=DE&NR=3928644A1&KC=A1


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=64&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900816&CC=DE&NR=3939081A1&KC=A1


file:///C:/Users/beatr/Downloads/ThermIonic%20Overunity%20Generator%20Arthur%20Sadaly.pdf
https://overunity.com/15667/thermionic-overunity-generator-my-gift-to-the-world/

Thermionic to iono-thermic or iono-kinetical thruster


http://www.rexresearch.com/atmoselx/atmoselx.htm


http://www.rexresearch.com/dudley/dudley.htm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster  ion-wind-pressure


Tesla multi discs turbine  to Tesla multi bifiliar coils turbine


 https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+multibifiliar+coils&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=tesla+multibifiliar+coils&aqs=chrome..69i57.12545j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


seriell and or parallel


https://www.google.com/search?q=iono-wind&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=iono-wind&aqs=chrome..69i57.4994j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


On-board Nitrogen-to-Lithium reformer and low lithium consume https://alfven.princeton.edu/research/lfa ?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #655 on: June 17, 2021, 03:01:12 PM »
Ok, ok, I will explain again. :)
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1) Please look again at PART 3 of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&t=24s  . Please focus on the “upper” zigzag case.
2) Ma = 1 kg.
3) Mb = 4 kg.
------------------------------------
4) Va’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 1 m/s = const.
5) Vb’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0 m/s; the black component is motionless.
------------------------------------
6) Va” = during-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
7) Vb” = during-zig-zag velocity of the black component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
8/ Vy = during-zig-zag velocity of each couple blue rod-blue ball along the Y-axis = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
------------------------------------
9) Va”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 0.6 m/s = const.
10) Vb”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0.1 m/s = const.
------------------------------------
11) According to the third Newton’s law and to the related law of conservation of linear momentum we can write down the equalities
((Ma) x (Va’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb’)) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))      <=>
<=>  ((Ma) x (Va’)) + 0 =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (Ma) x (Va’) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (1 kg) x (1 m/s) = ((1 kg) x (0.6 m/s)) +  ((4 kg) x (0.1 m/s))     <=>
<=>  1 kg.m/s = 1 kg.m/s.
12) In one word, the values of Va”, Vb” and Vy are actually of no interest to us.  Actually only the values of Va’, Va”’ and Vb”’ are of interest to us as these three values determine the validity of the third Newton’s law and the related law of conservation of linear momentum.
13) The mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball is much smaller than the mass of the blue T-shaped component. For example if Ma=1kg, then the mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball must be equal to, let’s say, 0.0001 kg (and even smaller).
14) In our numerous real experiments we strongly reduce friction and the mean experimental values of  Va”’ and Vb”’ are equal to 0.5999992 m/s and to 0.0999997 m/s, respectively, that is, Va”’ = 0.5999992 m/s and  Vb”’ =  0.0999997 m/s. The latter clearly shows that the experimental error (due to friction) is much smaller than 1 % and this experimental error is perfectly acceptable.
15) Let me remind only again (it is written in the explanatory text of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  ) that the zigzags generate a mechanical effect (let us call this mechanical effect the "X effect"), (a) which is absolutely identical and equivalent to friction and (b) which does not generate heat. (We take gravity and friction out of equation and consideration.) And really even if the mean experimental value of force of friction inside the zigzag channels is equal to 0.0000001 N (our last experimental result), then the "X effect" still remains and can be clearly observed as in PART 3 of the link above.
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Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it? Each item of the text above (items 1 - 15) is correct, isn't it?
But please ask questions, if any. We are ready to answer.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #656 on: June 18, 2021, 02:11:16 PM »
Looking forward to your comments, related to our previous post.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #657 on: June 19, 2021, 10:54:17 AM »
To JerryVolland.
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Hi there,
1) Well, you have generated some really interesting ideas! My respect to your inventiveness! Good! But please give me some time to consider carefully and thoroughly your suggestions. Need some time. Really.
2) For the present I would like to ask you again to focus solely and only on the "X effect". Do you accept the validity of the "X effect"? (The latter has has been proved experimentally many (may be thousands of) times.)
Looking forward to your answer.
     

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #658 on: June 21, 2021, 02:06:31 PM »
To JerryVolland.
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But you are not reading my posts at all! This is not a dialogue! This is your monologue!
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Please read carefully the text below and please answer the question at the end of the text below. Please!
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1) Please look again at PART 3 of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&t=24s  . Please focus on the “upper” zigzag case.
2) Ma = 1 kg.
3) Mb = 4 kg.
------------------------------------
4) Va’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 1 m/s = const.
5) Vb’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0 m/s; the black component is motionless.
------------------------------------
6) Va” = during-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
7) Vb” = during-zig-zag velocity of the black component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
8/ Vy = during-zig-zag velocity of each couple blue rod-blue ball along the Y-axis = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
------------------------------------
9) Va”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 0.6 m/s = const.
10) Vb”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0.1 m/s = const.
------------------------------------
11) According to the third Newton’s law and to the related law of conservation of linear momentum we can write down the equalities
((Ma) x (Va’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb’)) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))      <=>
<=>  ((Ma) x (Va’)) + 0 =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (Ma) x (Va’) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (1 kg) x (1 m/s) = ((1 kg) x (0.6 m/s)) +  ((4 kg) x (0.1 m/s))     <=>
<=>  1 kg.m/s = 1 kg.m/s.
12) In one word, the values of Va”, Vb” and Vy are actually of no interest to us.  Actually only the values of Va’, Va”’ and Vb”’ are of interest to us as these three values determine the validity of the third Newton’s law and the related law of conservation of linear momentum.
13) The mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball is much smaller than the mass of the blue T-shaped component. For example if Ma=1kg, then the mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball must be equal to, let’s say, 0.0001 kg (and even smaller).
14) In our numerous real experiments we strongly reduce friction and the mean experimental values of  Va”’ and Vb”’ are equal to 0.5999992 m/s and to 0.0999997 m/s, respectively, that is, Va”’ = 0.5999992 m/s and  Vb”’ =  0.0999997 m/s. The latter clearly shows that the experimental error (due to friction) is much smaller than 1 % and this experimental error is perfectly acceptable.
15) Let me remind only again (it is written in the explanatory text of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  ) that the zigzags generate a mechanical effect (let us call this mechanical effect the "X effect"), (a) which is absolutely identical and equivalent to friction and (b) which does not generate heat. (We take gravity and friction out of equation and consideration.) And really even if the mean experimental value of force of friction inside the zigzag channels is equal to 0.0000001 N (our last experimental result), then the "X effect" still remains and can be clearly observed as in PART 3 of the link above.
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DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST ANY OF THE ABOVE ITEMS 1 - 15? YES OR NO? ONLY ONE WORD -- EITHER "YES" OR "NO"!

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #659 on: June 22, 2021, 12:00:13 PM »
To JerryVolland.
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You are simply afraid of truth. You are simply rejecting obvious physical reality.
Consider carefully and thoroughly again our post of June 21, 2021, 02:06:31 PM.
I am asking you my direct and clear question for the 2nd time: DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS AGAINST ANY OF ITEMS 1 - 15? YES OR NO?
Looking forward to your answer for the 2nd time. (ONLY ONE WORD -- EITHER "YES" OR "NO"!)