Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Tesla Paper

Free Energy Book

Get paid

Donations

Please Donate for the Forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(Admin)

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics


  • *Total Posts: 897375
  • *Total Topics: 15812
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 3
  • *Guests: 17
  • *Total: 20

Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 154646 times)

Offline lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4790
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #765 on: June 15, 2021, 06:43:29 AM »
" .....You can't moving a space ship by pushing against a brake ...."
Hello,Mister Volland !

Taking a/each  " brake" as resistance

On street a brake= generator  as energy recuperator

In space,low gravity and density,"Gedankenexperiment" similar light-sail/light-pressure-drive :
the hydrostatic paradoxon model,~ 3-ways-valve~ T ,vertical to  horizontal position or 360° positioning flexible ,as drive ?
SincereOCWL

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy


Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #766 on: June 15, 2021, 07:47:10 AM »
" .....You can't moving a space ship by pushing against a brake ...."
Hello,Mister Volland !

Taking a/each  " brake" as resistance

On street a brake= generator  as energy recuperator

In space,low gravity and density,"Gedankenexperiment" similar light-sail/light-pressure-drive :
the hydrostatic paradoxon model,~ 3-ways-valve~ T ,vertical to  horizontal position or 360° positioning flexible ,as drive ?
SincereOCWL


The easiest drive is to tip the plane of rotation, with a mass on a spoke turning 360°.  With the mass straight out in front, suddenly tip the top of the shaft towards the mass.  This moves the mass downwards, and the space ship upwards.  Then slowly tip the shaft back up as the mass moves 90° to the side.  This pulls the mass's inertial trajectory downwards, producing upwards centrifugal reaction.  Repeat the quick down tip and slow tip back up every 90°.  This does produce some vibration, which can be dampened, like a bouncing car.

Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #767 on: June 15, 2021, 08:16:45 AM »
With a T valve, the force of the water coming out the pipe is cancelled when it hits the top, inside.  Changing the direction to the side produces torque.  So there is no thrust at all, with the top on the T.
And the light sail has an external force, from light's tiny momentum.  (It is possible to make a crystal move towards a light inside the ship, but that is proprietary).

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #767 on: June 15, 2021, 08:16:45 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4790
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #768 on: June 15, 2021, 09:58:53 AM »
But by writing about hydro- also in mind aero- and in space an electro-gravity static (" paradox") T-model
like Thomas Townsend Brown his motionless "pump" !

And by T : this can also be unlinear=  curvativ,like an umbrella !

And yes,clearly there has by the space ship light-sail to be an external light source ,or we use piezo-/pyro-cristals their Klirrfactor ( or Zt/Q ratio )  !

Sincere
OCWL

p.s.: inventor : Herbert Leupold Applicant : US Army theme/Title or abstract : magic ring
      the light foil here the outer ring ~ riplet-foil with triboelectric function

    ( like p-n or double-band-/foils capacitor )e-gun like revolving space drive ship/shuttle
A "round sphere" ,drop like ,with soap-bubble-like "second skin" ?


On Earth : gun/ballistic munition push/impulse for-/backward forces
In "Space":        !?

p.s.II : Do we need " physical spaceships/shuttle" ?
            Klaus Rassbach DE4215818 New matter creation

         Start-havn    matter/materia -2-light creation
         beamed to Target-/Ziel-havn  and light-2-matter/materia recreation


       Real materia or virtual-e-clones ( humans/things  holographical Copy)

       Real-Time and Real-Space to Hyper-Time and Hyper-Space


      How many faults can we do to change the society "body orientation" to "personality/memoriam orientation" ?
                                                                                                          not : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_diamond
                                                                                                          but : the individuum liveliness



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjP9IFx9H1Y


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AEm301_EHQ  Eigenfear ,Eigenpain ,Eigenjoy,Eigenproperty

Offline George1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 888
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #769 on: June 15, 2021, 11:32:00 AM »
To lancaIV.
-------------------------------
Hi there,
Please give me some time to consider carefully your posts. I will write to you in the nearest future.
Regards,

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #769 on: June 15, 2021, 11:32:00 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline George1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 888
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #770 on: June 15, 2021, 11:38:05 AM »
To JerryVolland.
--------------------------
I see. I will explain.
Firstly, do you accept the validity of the text of our post of June 14, 2021, 02:37:08 PM? Do you have any objections?
Looking forward to your answer.

Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #771 on: June 15, 2021, 02:19:53 PM »
To JerryVolland.
--------------------------
I see. I will explain.
Firstly, do you accept the validity of the text of our post of June 14, 2021, 02:37:08 PM? Do you have any objections?
Looking forward to your answer.
I don't accept the validity of what you've said in this topic.  You can't push a rod against a brake pad without also pushing the brake pad against the rod.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #771 on: June 15, 2021, 02:19:53 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #772 on: June 15, 2021, 06:21:34 PM »
@lancalV:


T.T.Brown used electrokinetic energy, not electrogravitic.  I have a picture somewhere of a candle next to a lifter.  The flame is blowing off to the side and straight down, as a reaction to the hv Field's penetrating presence.  (The field IS the presence).  With electrogravitic energy, the flame would stretch upwards instead.


And do we really need a space ship?  Not if we could just teleport to a distant planet.  Out in interplanetary vacuum, I'd still want a ship.  WITH mobility.

Offline lancaIV

  • elite_member
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4790
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #773 on: June 16, 2021, 10:44:23 AM »
@lancalV:


T.T.Brown used electrokinetic energy, not electrogravitic.  I have a picture somewhere of a candle next to a lifter.  The flame is blowing off to the side and straight down, as a reaction to the hv Field's penetrating presence.  (The field IS the presence).  With electrogravitic energy, the flame would stretch upwards instead.


And do we really need a space ship?  Not if we could just teleport to a distant planet.  Out in interplanetary vacuum, I'd still want a ship.  WITH mobility.


http://www.rexresearch.com/thornson/thornson.htm
and followed by search machine : " Mach-Lorentz thruster" ?

included : https://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/Astro-Siesta/astro_danielep_2.pdf

https://www.google.com/search?q=Mach-Lorentz+thruster&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=Mach-Lorentz+thruster&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30.9953j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

and a german inventor named Erich Mehnert his applied ideas
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=erich+mehnert&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

and Max Mueller Friedrich
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=max+mueller+friedrich&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=DE&NR=2335220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19750130&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP





Related the Leupold/US Army " magic ring " Klaus Rassbach his " ring device"


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820715&CC=DE&NR=3048277A1&KC=A1


and Martin Hauck his magnet ring array



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=65&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910411&CC=DE&NR=3928644A1&KC=A1


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=64&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900816&CC=DE&NR=3939081A1&KC=A1


file:///C:/Users/beatr/Downloads/ThermIonic%20Overunity%20Generator%20Arthur%20Sadaly.pdf
https://overunity.com/15667/thermionic-overunity-generator-my-gift-to-the-world/

Thermionic to iono-thermic or iono-kinetical thruster


http://www.rexresearch.com/atmoselx/atmoselx.htm


http://www.rexresearch.com/dudley/dudley.htm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster  ion-wind-pressure


Tesla multi discs turbine  to Tesla multi bifiliar coils turbine


 https://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+multibifiliar+coils&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=tesla+multibifiliar+coils&aqs=chrome..69i57.12545j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


seriell and or parallel


https://www.google.com/search?q=iono-wind&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&oq=iono-wind&aqs=chrome..69i57.4994j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


On-board Nitrogen-to-Lithium reformer and low lithium consume https://alfven.princeton.edu/research/lfa ?

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #773 on: June 16, 2021, 10:44:23 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline George1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 888
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #774 on: June 17, 2021, 03:01:12 PM »
Ok, ok, I will explain again. :)
==========================
1) Please look again at PART 3 of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&t=24s  . Please focus on the “upper” zigzag case.
2) Ma = 1 kg.
3) Mb = 4 kg.
------------------------------------
4) Va’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 1 m/s = const.
5) Vb’ = pre-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0 m/s; the black component is motionless.
------------------------------------
6) Va” = during-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
7) Vb” = during-zig-zag velocity of the black component = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
8/ Vy = during-zig-zag velocity of each couple blue rod-blue ball along the Y-axis = variable and comparatively difficult (but not impossible) to calculate.
------------------------------------
9) Va”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the blue component = 0.6 m/s = const.
10) Vb”’ = post-zig-zag velocity of the black component = 0.1 m/s = const.
------------------------------------
11) According to the third Newton’s law and to the related law of conservation of linear momentum we can write down the equalities
((Ma) x (Va’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb’)) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))      <=>
<=>  ((Ma) x (Va’)) + 0 =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (Ma) x (Va’) =  ((Ma) x (Va”’)) +  ((Mb) x (Vb”’))       <=>
<=>  (1 kg) x (1 m/s) = ((1 kg) x (0.6 m/s)) +  ((4 kg) x (0.1 m/s))     <=>
<=>  1 kg.m/s = 1 kg.m/s.
12) In one word, the values of Va”, Vb” and Vy are actually of no interest to us.  Actually only the values of Va’, Va”’ and Vb”’ are of interest to us as these three values determine the validity of the third Newton’s law and the related law of conservation of linear momentum.
13) The mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball is much smaller than the mass of the blue T-shaped component. For example if Ma=1kg, then the mass of each couple blue rod-blue ball must be equal to, let’s say, 0.0001 kg (and even smaller).
14) In our numerous real experiments we strongly reduce friction and the mean experimental values of  Va”’ and Vb”’ are equal to 0.5999992 m/s and to 0.0999997 m/s, respectively, that is, Va”’ = 0.5999992 m/s and  Vb”’ =  0.0999997 m/s. The latter clearly shows that the experimental error (due to friction) is much smaller than 1 % and this experimental error is perfectly acceptable.
15) Let me remind only again (it is written in the explanatory text of the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  ) that the zigzags generate a mechanical effect (let us call this mechanical effect the "X effect"), (a) which is absolutely identical and equivalent to friction and (b) which does not generate heat. (We take gravity and friction out of equation and consideration.) And really even if the mean experimental value of force of friction inside the zigzag channels is equal to 0.0000001 N (our last experimental result), then the "X effect" still remains and can be clearly observed as in PART 3 of the link above.
============================
Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it? Each item of the text above (items 1 - 15) is correct, isn't it?
But please ask questions, if any. We are ready to answer.
Regards,

Offline George1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 888
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #775 on: June 18, 2021, 02:11:16 PM »
Looking forward to your comments, related to our previous post.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #775 on: June 18, 2021, 02:11:16 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #776 on: June 18, 2021, 07:24:42 PM »
@lancalV:
I get my flexible drive shafts from junk gasoline weed eaters.


@George1:
One question! 
Why do you use velocity in your calculations?  To a non illiterate, the term velocity implies an ongoing coasting.  Your plungers travel a short distance, then stop.  If you hold the casing, you can pull the plungers back out.  In and out.  This is a vibration, NOT perpetual motion.
Just because you can push something across the table with a stick doesn't mean you have a space drive.  But you could have a space drive component. 
And get rid of the brake.  Use a spring impact, or something more unyielding.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2021, 11:09:41 PM by Jerry Volland »

Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #777 on: June 18, 2021, 08:56:35 PM »
Next,


Are you planning to have a roller ball in each nook of the squiggle strip channel?
You've discovered an effective torque generator, which can be used as a paddle or something else.
Now, come to a complete stop, step out, then move in some direction.
I discovered something too: Torque Acceleration - using torque to produce acceleration.
Where's the torque?

Offline Jerry Volland

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 305
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #778 on: June 18, 2021, 10:49:30 PM »
Maxing out the roller balls will reduce the magnitude of the plunger vibration.  Just enough to roll the balls back and forth in their cells.  Producing torque in both directions.

Offline George1

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 888
Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #779 on: June 19, 2021, 10:54:17 AM »
To JerryVolland.
----------------------------
Hi there,
1) Well, you have generated some really interesting ideas! My respect to your inventiveness! Good! But please give me some time to consider carefully and thoroughly your suggestions. Need some time. Really.
2) For the present I would like to ask you again to focus solely and only on the "X effect". Do you accept the validity of the "X effect"? (The latter has has been proved experimentally many (may be thousands of) times.)
Looking forward to your answer.
     

 

OneLink