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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 132653 times)

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #630 on: May 01, 2021, 11:41:14 AM »
The link below describes a few simple experiments, which break the law of conservation of mechanical energy and the law of conservation of linear momentum. You can easily carry out these simple experiments in your garage as many times as you want.
And here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&ab_channel=PeterAxe
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IMPORTANT NOTE 1. It is highly recommendable that the above mentioned experiments  are evaluated and realized by a highly qualified expert (Ph.D.) in theoretical and applied mechanics.  Otherwise nothing will come of it (most probably).
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IMPORTANT NOTE 2. The key question in the above mentioned experiments is how to reduce standard friction (where necessary) to a certain minimum limit, beyond which the experimental error (due to friction) is small enough and can be neglected. The answer is simple. You can use for example permanent magnet slides as shown in the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A . (Permanent magnet slides reduce friction practically to zero and the measuring devices do not register any force of friction.) Aternatively you can use hundreds of other methods for reducing of friction (as much as necessary) as modern technologies allow this feat. We live in 21st century after all.
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Looking forward to your comments after repeating the above mentioned simple experiments.
SIMPLY CARRY OUT THE EXPERIMENTS! WHERE ARE THE SKILLFUL EXPERIMENTORS HERE IN THIS FORUM?!

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #631 on: May 05, 2021, 03:32:30 AM »

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #632 on: May 05, 2021, 09:51:22 AM »
Please look again at the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY
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1) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum, which is described in the link above, can be used for a substantial decreasing of the recoil of any standard firearm as this does not influence in any way this standard firearm's range. (Besides in principle it is possible to use the new mechanical effect several times in a row thus reducing the recoil practically to zero.)
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2) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum, which is described in the link above, can be used for designing of an entirely new kind of a shock-absorber. The latter can be installed on any vehicle thus saving human lives and/or preventing injuries.
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Looking forward to your answer.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #632 on: May 05, 2021, 09:51:22 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #633 on: May 06, 2021, 01:57:35 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #634 on: May 06, 2021, 08:26:56 PM »
@nix85:


The device in your drawing - operating as a subsystem - will produce vertical acceleration, provided the subsystem is moved side to side, in synch with its operation,  with two steps in each direction.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #635 on: May 06, 2021, 11:40:22 PM »
@nix85:


The device in your drawing - operating as a subsystem - will produce vertical acceleration, provided the subsystem is moved side to side, in synch with its operation,  with two steps in each direction.

it is not clear what you mean by two step in each direction and in synch with its operation.

there is no need for two steps in each direction nor synching except syncthing
of two counterrotating arms but that is sure not what you meant.

keep in mind, one guy built my wider previously shown design
and it did not work. it did jump in the air but bounced back down.

(shown below)

so i narrowed the walls to reduce the y reaction.

when there is just one arm, back reaction of the spring on the side wall
is trying to rotate the frame which obviously acts to prevent forward
acceleration.

i believe if he built two so they operate in counterrotation, backtorque
would be canceled and pure upward thrust would result


Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #636 on: May 07, 2021, 12:58:30 AM »
When the weight curves to the right, pull the device to the left, just enough that the weight actually moves straight down a little. While the weight moves back to center, pull the device to the left some more. Then reverse the direction of the pulls on the other side. The straight down movements do not produce a centrifugal reaction, but pulling the weight through a longer than normal curve does.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #637 on: May 07, 2021, 01:30:48 AM »
there is no need to pull the device to the left or right.
besides what would you pull it against, the whole
point is that it is reactionless.

pull on the side wall produces back torque
which wants to rotate the frame
two arms in counterrotation cancel it

that's all

Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #638 on: May 07, 2021, 02:38:55 AM »
That's all? I thought you said your version didn't work.


And keep in mind that the centrifugal reaction force will be felt at the tie off point of the linear actuator, rather than the bottom of the swing arm. So the direction of thrust will be upwards at an angle, which changes direction from one side to the other.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #639 on: May 07, 2021, 02:49:42 AM »
don't you read what i write. i said it bounced back cause of counter torque.
if counter torque is canceled it should produce pure linear thrust.

linear actuator? i'll assume you mean side walls. no, centrifugal force
is felt at the axis of rotation, of course.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #640 on: May 07, 2021, 03:45:47 AM »
Just to clear this up a bit, you don't even need the side arms; just attach the springs directly to the base, on each side. Then pull the base horizontally. Better yet, replace the springs with solenoid's or the like. As the weight is pulled through a longer curve (relative to the linear actuator's tie off point), Conservation of Momentum will cause it to slow down. So torque has to be added to the swing arm, to keep it from slowing down. Twinning the sub assemblies will allow each to provide a reaction force against the other. And twinning will combine the output vectors into a single upwards force.

edit: And you can get by with a single horizontal pull in each direction, just enough to get the downwards movement, before the spring pulls it back. But you'll get more output force using two pulls each way. /edit

That's it from my end. I think anyone who needs to know will get the message.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #640 on: May 07, 2021, 03:45:47 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #641 on: May 07, 2021, 12:14:08 PM »
"just attach the springs directly to the base, on each side" is an old abandoned idea
of mine. there is no benefit from it, you get the same counter rotation of the frame
it is essentially the same as side walls.

when frame is narrow then also back torque is less

but best combination is pulling against side walls with two arms
in counterrotation, so that back torque is canceled.

"Conservation of Momentum will cause it to slow down" no, friction will
and there is no need to add torque, this is a simple demonstration device

i thought of that and there are various ways to add torque to such system
including linear arm on offset rotor, electromagnets etc.

one good spring pull has enough energy to lift the device few meters in the air
maybe more

Offline kolbacict

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #642 on: May 07, 2021, 12:28:34 PM »
For some reason, it do not oscillate for me.
does not oscillate on its own. >:(

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #643 on: May 07, 2021, 01:01:27 PM »
A good discussion occurs here! Thanks a lot for it! Let me join this discussion too!
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Please look again at the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY
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1) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum, which is described in the link above, can be used for a substantial decreasing of the recoil of any standard firearm as this does not influence in any way this standard firearm's range. (Besides in principle it is possible to use the new mechanical effect several times in a row thus reducing the recoil practically to zero.)
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2) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum, which is described in the link above, can be used for designing of an entirely new kind of a shock-absorber. The latter can be installed on any vehicle thus saving human lives and/or preventing injuries.
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3) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum, which is described in the link above, can be used for designing of a reactionless drive devices of various kinds.
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4) The violation of the law of conservation of mechanical energy, which is described in the link above, can be used for designing of a perpetual motion machines of various kinds. 
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Note. Extremely important seems to be item 2. The new mechanical principle (described in the link above), if used in any standard vehicle, CAN SAVE HUMAN LIVES AND/OR PREVENT INJURIES!
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Looking forward to your comments.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #644 on: May 07, 2021, 01:21:21 PM »
kolbacict why the counterbalance, it should not be there.

how do you mean no oscillation

it should be double arm, each with two springs against side walls, fired in counterrotation.

like two of these in parallel

 

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