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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 154013 times)

Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #555 on: April 01, 2021, 05:20:53 PM »
Further consideration shows the positive sparks shooting outwards, perpendicular to the electrodes, may not work with a lifter.  Movement is always towards the wider part of the field, regardless of polarity.  So the wire would have to be on the bottom, rather than the top.  (Still something to test).  However, the rays might work with Brown's emDrive-like electrokinetic thruster, with the conical dielectric inside the tapered chamber.


I never did buy into the electrogravitics claims.  Nothing in his configuration resembles the gravity shielding electrodes I've seen. (Or the principle). Also, the fact that a candle flame placed near a lifter will invert shows that the system is simply reacting against the local environment.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #556 on: April 01, 2021, 05:28:36 PM »
Sir
Not sure if you are aware


Here Stefan has set up section for open source builders


Was abused by a few ( non open source agenda), However still available...


You would be free to have control of topic ( keep signal to noise in control)
You would be moderator of your own section!( lock topic .. remove noise .. unlock etc
most of all
Teach !!
Regardless your decision on above...
Thanks for sharing.
With Gratitude
Chet K


Thanks, Chet.


I'll look into that.  Filtering the noise would make a difference.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #557 on: April 01, 2021, 05:39:04 PM »
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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #558 on: April 01, 2021, 05:44:36 PM »
Further consideration shows the positive sparks shooting outwards, perpendicular to the electrodes, may not work with a lifter.  Movement is always towards the wider part of the field, regardless of polarity.  So the wire would have to be on the bottom, rather than the top.  (Still something to test).  However, the rays might work with Brown's emDrive-like electrokinetic thruster, with the conical dielectric inside the tapered chamber.


I never did buy into the electrogravitics claims.  Nothing in his configuration resembles the gravity shielding electrodes I've seen. (Or the principle). Also, the fact that a candle flame placed near a lifter will invert shows that the system is simply reacting against the local environment.


I should have said "the magnetostatic principle".

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #559 on: April 01, 2021, 05:51:01 PM »
Also one comment
Only Stefan can remove timed out posts
He is very busy atm unlike other forums with many helpers....
He runs this alone and huge struggle do to Covid in his country ( and most others)
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Having libel or Slander written for any purpose is big no no


I will send him a note !
And I do recommend you start moderated bench if hosting builds
Or ?


Shame to read smart fellows get twisted up


We need good discussion, however empirical evidence which can be replicated
Is priceless


And do not underestimate resources of this open source community ( what we can experiment on(university level etc))


Sorry for interrupting


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #559 on: April 01, 2021, 05:51:01 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #560 on: April 01, 2021, 06:02:51 PM »

I should have said "the magnetostatic principle".


I still didn't get the right word.  I'm referring to a field produced by rotating a ring shaped electret, with a nearby field shape defining electrode. (This will provide lift but - on its own - no mobility).

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #561 on: April 01, 2021, 06:03:02 PM »
There is no need for special moderated threads, maybe rather a place where gold
nuggets from all threads are collected in one well organized place. But who's gonna
do that, no one. It has to be this way, the hard way, scattered info, who is sincere,
let him dig and connect the dots.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #562 on: April 01, 2021, 06:19:33 PM »
I'm going to time out at this point and start working on an opening post in the self moderated builder's section.  As usual, posting pictures and editing text will take a while, especially since all of my files aren't on the same computer.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #563 on: April 01, 2021, 06:44:18 PM »
@nix85:
You're not going to hitch your wagon to my star, following along behind me, misdirecting attention away from everything I say.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #564 on: April 01, 2021, 07:14:21 PM »
@nix85:
You're not going to hitch your wagon to my star, following along behind me, misdirecting attention away from everything I say.

Hitch my wagon to your star? You think you're in a reality show?

"Following along behind you" Rather soaring above you,
someone has to police the validity of your (or anyone's) posts.

Everything i said in last few posts i said before on this forum, if it has
any relation to you, it is to correct the misinformation you post, not to
"misdirect attention", from inertial propulsion to radiant energy.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #565 on: April 02, 2021, 01:29:26 PM »
#555 : search machine ' electrohydrodynamics'
And yes,the electrogravity devices changes ambiental air condition : ozone-generation,ionizer !

When You both,Mr.Volland and nix85,invest less time in ambivalent provoke and dispute more about experience results and physical/technical divergences/differences  all members here would gain more than by this actual ego-battle !

Outside earth technology interests me only to discover a cheap way to explore asteroids like ' 16 Psyche' for cheap and easy mining from on earth now rare minerals,growing consumer/user  number related .

Aluminium,by the first production,was expensive like gold ,probably in some years gold will be as cheap as aluminium : 1 US$/Kg fob asteroid(belt)  ship !?
Beyond silver-dependent photo-voltaic cells to gold-coated nantenna technology !

The space engine : " Mittel/Instrument zum Zweck",not the priority/target ,but an important tool !

NASA(+ d-/arpa)  and ESA ' space program' development observation !

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #565 on: April 02, 2021, 01:29:26 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #566 on: April 02, 2021, 04:59:12 PM »
@lancalV:
You make some good points about the space resources. This is related to my own ambitious with my company, InterPlanetary Express.  But keep in mind that the light of ego blinds the forehead to the paradigm and limits understanding.  Why do you suggest that defending my reputation is ego driven?  Am I supposed to be so meek that I'll tolerate being kicked around by anyone who chooses to do so? Would that characteristic survive in the business world?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #567 on: April 02, 2021, 05:58:43 PM »
Jerry Volland ,' .. since 1965 ...'

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Hello Mister Jerry Lee Volland,age 71



3 minutes short net-diving ! Profiling !


You have ever the right to defend Yourself or other !

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #568 on: April 02, 2021, 06:25:32 PM »

Thanks for that.  But Arizona is Ariz ona, a common name in South America.


On LinkedIn, I'm currently discussing the Navy's gravity shielding, faster than light vehicle patent.  (That's on the Advanced Propulsion group).


Here's the link to the thread where I posted my circuit on this forum, in 2007.  (reply #22, pg. 2).  The image link is now broken, and that was before I understood how Gray 'split the positive', with photographic documentation.


http://www.overunity.com/126/eds-design/msg26446/#msg26446

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #569 on: April 02, 2021, 06:53:49 PM »
At home, I'm currently building Tesla's Flying Stove motor.  Other people who've tried apparently can't read what Tesla plainly stated in his description.  (The device doesn't 'rotate').


And I'm also replicating Gray's free energy circuit - based on photographs.  This doesn't require his Tube; the Tube is a HV version which imparts a HV potential to a heavy LV current.

 

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