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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 159961 times)

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #450 on: March 29, 2021, 03:54:04 PM »
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I have a levitation machine

Funny. Let me guess, all cameras suddenly break when you try to film it.

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And it doesn't use your "basic principle"

All inertial propulsion devices ever built and that ever shall be built use it.

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One of the biggest obstacles to having this field accepted is the word 'reactionless'..

No it's not, everyone knows very well it just implies not reacting with outside matter or force.

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Now tell us all about the Conservation of Momentum, and display an absence of understanding.

Overall energy in creation is 0, everything is conserved. As for lack of understanding it sure abounds on your side

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #451 on: March 29, 2021, 03:54:43 PM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=jerry+volland+aetherforce&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&ei=sNthYMGVIK-j1fAPtKuF-Ac&oq=jerry+volland+aetherforce&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6DQgAEMcBEK8BELADEA06CQgAELADEAoQHjoJCAAQsAMQDRAeUPwiWM9DYPdTaAFwAHgAgAG4AYgBqQySAQM2LjmYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjBrcmT09XvAhWvURUIHbRVAX8Q4dUDCA0


about ZPE or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullpunktsenergie


In the classical case, the state of lowest energy is that in which the particle is at rest at {\ displaystyle x = 0} x = 0, i.e. {\ displaystyle p = 0} p = 0. In quantum mechanics, however, the uncertainty relation between position and momentum prohibits both quantities from having exact values. The more precisely the location is known, the less precisely the impulse is known and vice versa. The zero point energy is clearly shown as the mean value of these fluctuations.

THE MEAN VALUE BETWEEN POSITION AND MOMENTUM

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #452 on: March 29, 2021, 04:43:48 PM »
I'm gonna share again the design i came up with, not the first who came up with it tho.

Advantage of this system is it doesn't need a ferrofluid.

There is a better way to do this with much less water in useless bottom part, but principle is the same.

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imagine a circular pipe, bottom half 4 times the diameter of the upper,

there is a pump inside the system,

in short, centrifugal force will be 4 x greater in upper part despite the

fact that volume of water is 4 times less.

this is due to venturi effect (continuity principle), water in narrower part

speeds up proportionally to how much narrower pipe is (https://youtu.be/UJ3-Zm1wbIQ?t=97 )

and centrifugal force is proportional to velocity squared.

let's say 5 liters is enclosed in the tube, since upper half is 1/4 diameter,

there are 4 liters in bottom half and 1 liter in upper half.

let's say pump is pushing bottom part water at 1m/s, this means water

in upper part moves at 4m/s.

let's say radius of the circle is 0.5m

let's calculate the centrifugal force http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/newtonian/centrifugal

for 4 liters at 1m/s force is 8N or 0.8kg.

for 1 liter at 4m/s force is 32N or 3.2kg.

or constant 2.4kg, but since only at the center force is pure y component it is 1/2 or 1.2kg average up


and

for 4 liters at 2.5m/s force is 50N or 5kg.

for 1 liter at 10m/s force is 200N or 20kg.

or constant 1/2 x 15kg = 7.5kg up

etc

of course increase of velocity means more friction and very low friction tube

must be used, like electropolished stainless steel, but principle is clear and should be tested.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #452 on: March 29, 2021, 04:43:48 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #453 on: March 29, 2021, 05:38:56 PM »
You build scrap, i build sophisticated stuff.

I've seen your "levitation" video. Better tie it down so it doesn't fly away.

Basic principle always stands.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #454 on: March 29, 2021, 05:50:25 PM »
Oh it's "secret", i see :)

Understand the basic principle, 4th law of motion.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #454 on: March 29, 2021, 05:50:25 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #455 on: March 29, 2021, 06:28:28 PM »

It's worse than that; I have people who keep telling me they're going to kill me if I do.

Sure, sure. "They" don't let you. Meanwhile i have broken down the whole inertial business to it's basic components so a monkey could understand and build a basic device.

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Now YOU discuss why the Principle of Conservation of Momentum FORCES a machine to move if the radius is shortened.

Radius does not have to be shortened at all. See what happens when you don't understand the basic principle, you are confused and confuse others, so let me repeat it..

ANY UNBALANCED MASS
OSCILLATING WITHIN 180° OR LESS
OR SPINNING FULL CIRCLE WITH VARYING SPEED
CONVERTS CENTRIFUGAL FORCE
INTO LINEAR ACCELERATION
OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM

No changing of radius.

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Or are you just a troll, delighting in misdirecting the conversation away from one thing after another?

That is exactly what you are doing, asking ridiculous questions, distracting from the subject.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #456 on: March 29, 2021, 11:13:24 PM »
This isn't even your thread.  Yet you jumped in spouting gibberish and claiming that EVERY working system is based on YOUR stated principle, with everything else being irrelevant.  I'm trying to discuss issues related to the opening post, on the first page.  As well as general aspects of mechanical force propulsion.

Never said it's my thread. I'm sure it sounds like gibberish to you cause you don't get it. In fact you are the only one spouting gibberish. It's not my principle i just defined it so anyone can understand. And i am not stopping you from trying to discuss anything.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #456 on: March 29, 2021, 11:13:24 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #457 on: March 29, 2021, 11:21:50 PM »
@nix85:
That's an interesting diagram you posted, of a torus having a smaller diameter on one side.  I mean, it's interesting that you think that a faster flow, with less mass will produce more centrifuge force (not a miss spelling) than appears on the slower side having much more mass.  And your drawing is SO very unsofisticated.  The bottom part contains NONE of the intricate detail of the Mercury Drive.  (Presented as "The Modern Day Workhorse of Inertial Propulsion").

I don't think lesser volume at greater speed produces more force proportionally to ratio of  speed, it is a simple fact cause cent. force is velocity squared, basic math.

Mercury Drive? What does that have to do with anything here, this is water drive.

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And haven't you heard that the so-called "Fourth Law of Motion" (surge) is in direct opposition to the Second Law, which holds that it takes just as much energy to accelerate something quickly as to slowly accelerate to the same velocity?  Introducing this factor did not suddenly make the Dean Drive start working.  So why even mention it?  Distraction?

Everyone knows this principle "violates" conservation of momentum and thus conservation of energy (not really in the wider scope of things).

So this principle is OU, it is an example of reactive power doing real work.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #458 on: March 30, 2021, 12:13:53 AM »
Mercury is 13 times denser than water, you should understand energy to propel it is proportionally larger, not to mention Mercury is toxic and totally out of question for system like this.

As for the rest, you are wrong. Like said before due to Venturi Effect, water speeds up in narrower parts and since cent. force is mass velocity squared over radius, force is proportionally larger in narrower part.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #459 on: March 30, 2021, 01:41:00 AM »
HaHa. nix and his overblown ego getting spanked again! Suckit nix, you fukn lame!

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #460 on: March 30, 2021, 01:13:28 PM »
LOL this guy is so lame and delusional..

So you wanna suck me, hmm, i'll pass on that.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #461 on: March 30, 2021, 01:55:50 PM »
This device produces low force but i like the atmosphere of these videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjV5PaqDpR4

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #462 on: March 30, 2021, 03:13:04 PM »
Video on Thornson

https://youtu.be/5JEFME-V_zw?t=2249

I have no doubt water inertial system is the best.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #463 on: March 30, 2021, 06:03:37 PM »
Ofc there is really no such thing as external in wider sense,

everything being a part of 1 medium, call it universal fluid or however you like.

Only funny (or rather tragicomic) thing is that you still don't get it.

In all examples i gave

- oscillation within 180

- spinning 360 with varying speed

- circular narrowing tube

radius always remains exactly the same in each and every moment.

Do you see what kind of nonsense you speak.

As for laminar and turbulent flow, all we care about is time average water velocity.

Again key point being Venturi effect (water speeds up in narrow tube)

and Bernoulli's principle (faster water drops in pressure). So as fast water

reenters the wider part it's velocity is again converted into static pressure, no reaction.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #464 on: March 30, 2021, 07:11:34 PM »
Thicker skin than I thought ;D

 

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