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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 162498 times)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #420 on: March 17, 2021, 01:19:18 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #421 on: March 17, 2021, 01:36:31 PM »
To nix85.
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Hi there,
1) We started designing a plan for building a real device/laboratory experiment, based on your instructions. But keep in mind that the realization process will take some time. It's inevitable. Some questions may appear too.
2) And here is the first question. Is there any device, which is either similar or identical to the one you have presented? (Asking this question in order to save some time and not  to start the building procedure from the very beginning.)
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #422 on: March 18, 2021, 12:09:39 PM »
Ofc, every inertial device is based on this same principle.

Side walls might not be the best solution, one guy tried to replicate it and he says he failed.

I'll give it a try when i get time.

My main basic approach that always works is accelerating and decelerating the unbalanced weight AT THE AXIS, similar to shipov

BUT NEVER LET THE ARMS GO BEYOND 180° or even better beyond 90°.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoZPvL-9oI

As you can see his weights go full circle and thus device curbs itself.

My idea (not really my idea, it's an old idea and it's good) is the same just you don't let them go beyond 180° EVER.

Similar to this animation i already shared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZXNo4EII0

When you accelerate the arms from 0 position as in picture below, device will of course accelerate forward.

As each weight crosses the half point motor must start to decelerate them so they stop at opposite side.

Key point being that as motor decelerates the arms it is experiencing back torque and back torque has nothing to do with linear acceleration, it simply tries to spin the cart, since there are two opposing back torques spin is neutralized, like in helicopter.

Centrifugal pull remains. Pure linear acceleration.

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I think most of you have a good understanding and sense for what centrifugal force is.

But still most of you have trouble seeing the simplicity of it's conversion to linear acceleration.

One way to resolve this is imagine yourself stationary in space, there is a mass passing by parallel to you at certain speed.

Say you throw a lasso and capture the mass as it passes by, what happens.

Of course, due to your own inertial mass, object's trajectory is now curved toward you,

You have deflected it from it's straight path and as a consequence it is now pulling you, accelerating you as it follows it's new, curved path.

What we got here is the same thing in more controlled environment.


Every vibrator is doing it, it's just that it pulls axis to one side, then another.

Pull must be contained on one side.

This is a good video that demonstrates the phenomena. As long as ball keeps oscillating on the right side, it pulls the cart to the right. That is all there is to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9tkgjVVrI

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #422 on: March 18, 2021, 12:09:39 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #423 on: March 18, 2021, 03:21:26 PM »
To nix85.
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Hi nix85,
Hi dear colleague,
Thanks a lot for your last post! Extremely interesting!
1) About the first link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoZPvL-9oI. It is written below: ".....тормоз включен....". The latter (translated from Russian) as if means that some kind of brake is used periodically in order to eliminate the recoil. But I am not sure about this. It's a hypothesis for the present. Need some time to consider and understand completely and thoroughly everything in this link.
2) About the second link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeZXNo4EII0. Yes, this is really amazing! A few questions appear however. 
What would happen if the device is put on a small toy-boat? Or on a permanent-magnet-levitation platform like the one in the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A&ab_channel=MartyMcFly? Besides would this principle of operation would work in a space station under weightlessness conditions? And if yes, then what would be the related modification?
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What do you think about the above small questions? What is your opinion?
Looking forward to your answer.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #424 on: March 18, 2021, 07:47:49 PM »
For first video brake is perfectly fine as long as braking is on the axis, no back reaction.

In space, anywhere, works perfectly.

Just keep pendulum swinging on one side, there is nothing else to it.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #425 on: March 19, 2021, 02:38:39 PM »
To nix85.
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Hi nix85,
1) About the first link. A small question: The brake is used in the wheels, that support the platform, isn't it?
2) About the second link. A small question: If put on a toy-boat, then wouldn't the platform (together with the toy-boat) move in a direction opposite to the direction of motion of the ball?
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Please note -- NOT REJECTING ANYTHING, only asking small (and to some extent may be stupid :)) questions. But this is because this device/concept is entirely new for us for the present.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #426 on: March 19, 2021, 02:41:18 PM »
We give below again a copy of our post of February 26, 2021, 04:01:00 PM.
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Our simulation/animation is given below.
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Firstly, please always keep in mind and please always refer to our first post of July 21, 2018, 02:11:37 PM and to the related two links
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
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Secondly, our simulation/animation presentation is subdivided into three consecutive separate parts for an easier understanding.
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PART 1. Please look at the link https://youtu.be/9cBGurYSryw
1) The zigzag device and the straight-line device are put together vertically one to another and are fixed motionless to a horizontal motionless plane.
2) The two blue T-shaped components start free falling together and simultaneously. Friction is negligible.
3) In the straight-line case the T-shaped blue component falls freely without any interruptions and obstacles.
4) In the zigzag case however after the blue balls enter the zigzag channel the blue T-shaped component slows down its vertical downward motion and decreases its downward vertical velocity.
5) In one word, the straight-line modification blue T-shaped component covers the distance between the highest position and the lowest position much faster than the zigzag modification blue T-shaped component.
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PART 2. Please look at the link https://youtu.be/aVOfWLDrYwA
1) How to slow down the vertical downward motion (that is, how to decrease the vertical downward velocity) of the straight-line modification blue T-shaped component?
2) The answer is simple. The straight-line segment "s" is made rough (inside the channels) as the related force of friction is chosen in such a manner so that in the lowest position the linear downward velocities of the two blue T-shaped components are one and same and equal one to another.
3) In one word, the zigzags generate mechanical resistance, (a) which is absolutely identical and equivalent to friction and (b) which does not generate heat.
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PART 3. Please look at the link https://youtu.be/pPGPktU_kpo
The last link simply repeats the experiment, described in our first post of Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:41 pm and in the related two links
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The zigzags generate again mechanical resistance, (a) which is absolutely identical and equivalent to friction and (b) which does not generate heat.
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In one word, the text above and the related links above unambiguouly show that (a) either the law of conservation of linear momentum is not correct or (b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct or (c) both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #427 on: March 19, 2021, 02:42:34 PM »
We give below again a copy of our post of March 01, 2021, 03:35:45 PM.
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Let us shorten our previous explanations (of February 26, 2021, 04:01:00 PM) by jumping directly to PART 3 (and having a brief glimpse at a small section of PART 2).
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So let us start our shorter explanations.
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1) Firstly, please have a look for a while at PART 2 and at the related link https://youtu.be/aVOfWLDrYwA from 00:00 to 00:03. This is only for getting a notion about the limits of the segment "s", that is, how this segment "s" is situated in relation to (relative to) the zigzag section.
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2) Now let us focus on PART 3 and on the related link https://youtu.be/pPGPktU_kpo . The experiment is carried out in a space station under weightlessness conditions. Friction is negligible as the only exception is the friction inside the two straight-line channels of the segment "s". (The inside surfaces of the straight-line channels of the segment "s" are made rough thus able to generate friction (and heat, respectively).)
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3) The mass of each blue component is Ma.
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4) The mass of each black component is Mb.
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5) There are four couples blue ball/blue rod. Each blue ball is firmly attached to the related blue rod thus forming one united whole.
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5A) The mass of each blue ball is negligible (if compared to Ma or to Mb), but not equal to zero.
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5B) The mass of each blue rod is negligible (if compared to Ma or to Mb), but not equal to zero.
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6) From 00:00 to 00:03 the two blue components move simultaneously and uniformly. Each blue component's linear velocity is V' as V' = const. The two black components are at rest.
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7) At 00:03 the four blue balls enter simultaneously (a) the "upper" black component's smooth zigzag channels and (b) the "lower" black component's rough straight-line channels of the segment "s", respectively.
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8) From 00:03 to 00:15 the four blue balls move (a) inside the "upper" black component's smooth zigzag channels and (b) inside the "lower" black component's rough straight-line channels of the segment "s", respectively.
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9) At 00:15 the four blue balls exit simultaneously (a) the "upper" black component's smooth zigzag channels and (b) the "lower" black component's rough straight-line channels of the segment "s", respectively.
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10) The force of friction inside the two rough channels of the segment "s" is chosen in such a manner (we could use for example a variable roughness and the related variable force of friction, respectively) that:
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a) the blue components decelerate in one and same manner, that is, their decelerations are one and same and equal one to another;
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b) the black components accelerate in one and same manner, that is, their accelerations are one and same and equal one to another.
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11) From 00:15 to 00:17 the two blue components move simultaneously and uniformly. Each blue component's velocity is V" as V" = const.
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12) From 00:15 to 00:17 the two black components also move simultaneously and uniformly. Each black component's velocity is V"' as V"' = const.
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13) Therefore for the "upper" zigzag modification we can write down that
(Ma) x (V') = ((Ma) x (V'')) + ((Mb) x (V''')) (1)
(1/2) x (Ma) x (V') x (V') = ((1/2) x (Ma) x (V'') x (V'')) + ((1/2) x (Mb) x (V''') x (V''')) (2)
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14) And for the "lower" straight-line modification we can write down that
(Ma) x (V') = ((Ma) x (V'')) + ((Mb) x (V''')) (1)
(1/2) x (Ma) x (V') x (V') = ((1/2) x (Ma) x (V'') x (V'')) + ((1/2) x (Mb) x (V''') x (V''')) + Q (3),
where Q is the heat, which is generated while the two blue balls move inside the two rough channels of the segment "s" in the "lower" modification.
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15) It is evident that (a) the system of equations in item 13 and (b) the system of equations in item 14 cannot be true simultaneously.
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16) And it directly follows from the previous item 15 that either (a) the law of conservation of linear momentum is not correct or (b) the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct or (c) both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously.
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NOTE. Please refer, if necessary, to our first post of Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:41 and to the two related links
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
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Looking forward to your answer.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #428 on: March 19, 2021, 03:22:58 PM »
Any comments, related to our last two posts?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #429 on: March 20, 2021, 11:10:18 AM »
To nix85.
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Hi nix85,
1) About the first link. A small question: The brake is used in the wheels, that support the platform, isn't it?

No, brakes must be put on flakes to prevent the bakes from sakes in case of fakes.

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2) About the second link. A small question: If put on a toy-boat, then wouldn't the platform (together with the toy-boat) move in a direction opposite to the direction of motion of the ball?
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Please note -- NOT REJECTING ANYTHING, only asking small (and to some extent may be stupid :)) questions. But this is because this device/concept is entirely new for us for the present.
Regards,

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #430 on: March 25, 2021, 11:56:06 AM »
About the third interesting link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM9tkgjVVrI. It shows the achievements of the Serbian inventor Veljko Milkovic. The same small question: If put on a toy-boat, then wouldn't the platform (together with the toy-boat) move in a direction opposite to the direction of motion of the ball?
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Please note -- NOT REJECTING ANYTHING, only asking small (and to some extent may be stupid :)) questions. But this is because this device/concept is entirely new for us for the present.
Regards, 


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #431 on: March 25, 2021, 10:11:12 PM »
Honestly, i am 50 50 if you're trolling or sincerely asking.

In case you are sincerely asking, boat example is totally irrelevant.

On a boat weight swinging to the right like in the video would indeed create waves

that would probably make boat move back while centrifugal force would pull it forward

so i guess it would oscillate in place. Again, not relevant.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #432 on: March 27, 2021, 11:10:30 AM »
A successful Inertial Reaction Propeller must work in a variety of environments - on land and snow (or ice), on and under water, in the air, and in space.  So what a particular system will do on a small boat is a relevant question.


The slanted pendulum moves the cart as a reaction to the cart's Inertia pulling the pendulum mass into a curve.  The cart's Inertia applies an action force against the pendulum mass, and experiences an equal but opposite reaction force.  The pendulum mass experiences a resultant force.  This resultant force is attenuated, and dissipated by the perpendicular action of gravity (or a magnet under the cart). Sometimes, there is a torque effect which moves the cart backwards as the pendulum swings through a small angle, but this angle is less than that of the pendulum's total travel.  So the cart's centrifugal reaction - felt by the cart - is greater than the torque counter vector, and the cart moves forwards overall.


Another thing to consider is that when the pendulum changes direction at the bottom of it's swing, and starts back up, it's downwards momentum is released, producing a momentary downwards pulse.  This isn't obvious with the cart, but were the pendulum suspension post to be mounted on a small boat, rather than the cart, this downwards impulse would push the front of the boat down into the water a little.  Then, the floation angle will cause the boat to 'float' forwards a small distance.  This will be in addition to the centrifugal reaction movement.  Also, if the back of the boat is flat, this would inhibit the reverse torque movement.  But the boat would still move incrementally, rather than with  smooth acceleration.


You can verify the 'float' effect by kicking downwards while standing in the front of a rowboat.  The boat WILL move forward.  (edit): This forwards movement will last longer if you keep applying a downwards force by slowly rolling your chest upwards, while inhaling.

No, it's not relevant. First of all that cart with slanted pendulum is not the most proper representation of the principle. Pendulum should be at right angle to the axis not slanted. Therefore how that particular cart would act on water is totally irrelevant.

As for the rest of your post it's just totally off, as if i did not literally draw the basic principle so a child can understand it.

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As long as weights swing on one side cart will accelerate in that direction even to near speed of light, in free space or any medium.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #433 on: March 27, 2021, 11:39:20 AM »
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1) But nix85, you are sensitive as if more than necessary to even the slightest form of expressing criticism and/or doubt. Please keep in mind that this principle of operation is new for us and it is normal sometimes to ask, let's say to some extent, stupid questions. :)
2) And what about this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A ? Let us replace the toy-boat with a permanent magnet hoverboard. No waves now. The whole installation oscillating in place?
   

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #434 on: March 27, 2021, 11:46:39 AM »
To nix85.
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1) But nix85, you are sensitive as if more than necessary to even the slightest form of expressing criticism and/or doubt. Please keep in mind that this principle of operation is new for us and it is normal sometimes to ask, let's say to some extent, stupid questions. :)
2) And what about this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A ? Let us replace the toy-boat with a permanent magnet hoverboard. No waves now. The whole installation oscillating in place?
 


Not sensitive but having little tolerance for (intentional?) junk that obscures the simple truth.

I stressed clearly many times already "in all mediums" and again you ask the same.

 

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