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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 113116 times)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #285 on: November 07, 2020, 03:51:01 PM »
1) Any comments, objections, recommendations?
2) A hot discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum. Our opponents in this forum are ME and agor95. Please follow the discussion, if you like. 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #286 on: November 14, 2020, 11:48:38 AM »
A copy of our last post in besslerwheel.com/forum is given below. The title of the topic is the same. Some members of besslerwheel.com/forum simply reject the third Newton's law in order to save the law of conservation of mechanical energy and/or the law of conservation of linear momentum. (Are these people criminals? Or idiots)   
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To ME.
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YOU ARE NOT READING MY POSTS AT ALL! STOP IMITATE IGNORANCE! ARE YOU AN AGENT OF THE BIG MAFIA?
I AM EXPLAINING AGAIN SOME SIMPLE THINGS. KEEP IN MIND MY PREVIOUS POSTS.
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1) The experiment below is carried out in a space station under weghtlessness conditions.
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2) We can always choose a suitable combination of (1) sizes, masses and inertia moments of bodies 1 and 2 and (2) a spring, for which if the spring contracts, then an astronaut would see that (a) the longitudinal axis of symmetry of the spring is motionless, (b) the distance between the centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2 decreases, (c) each of the two identical dynamometers registers a force of 10 N, (d) body 1 rotates at an angle α and (e) body 2 rotates at an angle β.
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(Note 1. The centers of rotation of bodies 1 and 2 are their centers of mass, respectively. Besides bodies 1 and 2 rotate in the same direction, let's say clockwisely.)
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(Note 2. The force of 10 N, registered by each of the above mentioned two identical dynamometers, does not depend on decreasing of the distance between the centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2. This is because we use a spring of characteristic 4. Please refer to our previous posts.)
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3) In one word, a constant force of magnitude of 10 N is applied to the center of mass of body 1 and is directed to the center of mass of body 2. At the same time another constant force of the same magnitude of 10 N is applied to the center of mass of body 2 and is directed to the center of mass of body 1. Under the action of these two forces the centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2 move one to another in a straight line (the common line of action of the two forces coincides with the longitudinal axis of symmetry of the spring) and at the same time rotate clockwisely at angles α and β, respectively.
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4) Having in mind the text above can we conclude that body 1 exerts force G on body 2 and body 2, on its behalf, exerts force - G on body 1 as forces G and - G are equal in magnitude (10 N) and opposite in direction? Can we accept the validity of equality |G| = |-G| = 10 N = const.?
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(Note 3. Symbol G can be replaced by any of the symbols F, K, L, M, etc.; we can choose any capital Latin letter.)
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I hope that all of us here in this forum are honestly seeking for the truth and none of us here is arguing because of arguing itself.
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Looking forward to your answer.
George1
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #287 on: November 16, 2020, 11:08:48 AM »
A hot discussion occurs in besslerwheel.com/forum. The agents of the BIG MAFIA, supported by some random ignoramuses (arguing because of arguing itself), are doing their best and are making desperate efforts to smash the third Newton's law to smithereens in order to save the law of conservation of energy and/or the law of conservation of linear momentum. But how to reject an obvious truth?
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The copies of our last two posts in besslerwheel.com/forum are given below. The title of the topic is the same.
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POST 1.
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To ME.
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I have mentioned many times already that you are not reading carefully my posts (if reading them at all). YOUR ANIMATION DOES NOT PRESENT THE SITUATION CORRECTLY. THE RAMP AND THE BALL ARE FIRMLY ATTACHED ONE TO ANOTHER THUS FORMING ONE UNITED WHOLE, WHICH IS CALLED BODY 2. SO CORRECT YOUR ANIMATION!
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Further let us split the text of our last post into several sub-steps. Sub-step 1, which is given below, is limited/surrounded up and down by double dashed lines.
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SUB-STEP 1
1) The experiment below is carried out in a space station under weghtlessness conditions.
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2) We can always choose a suitable combination of (1) sizes, masses and inertia moments of bodies 1 and 2 and (2) a spring, for which if the spring contracts, then an astronaut would see that (a) the longitudinal axis of symmetry of the spring is motionless, (b) the distance between the centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2 decreases, (c) each of the two identical dynamometers registers a force of 10 N, (d) body 1 rotates at an angle α and (e) body 2 rotates at an angle β.
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(Note 1. The centers of rotation of bodies 1 and 2 are their centers of mass, respectively. Besides bodies 1 and 2 rotate in the same direction, let's say clockwisely.)
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(Note 2. The force of 10 N, registered by each of the above mentioned two identical dynamometers, does not depend on decreasing of the distance between the centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2. This is because we use a spring of characteristic 4. Please refer to our previous posts.)
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Question: Do you accept the validity of the above written SUB-STEP 1?
If yes, then you have to correct your animation for a second time, that is,
the spring must be motionless.
If not, then why?
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POST 2.
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An addition to our last post. More precisely, the longitudinal axis of symmetry of the contracting spring must be motionless. Correct your animation!
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #287 on: November 16, 2020, 11:08:48 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #288 on: November 17, 2020, 10:00:22 AM »
Please follow our discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #289 on: November 20, 2020, 10:59:18 AM »
Any comments, opinions, recommendations? Please follow our discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #289 on: November 20, 2020, 10:59:18 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #290 on: November 22, 2020, 04:48:36 PM »
Some questions, recommendations, opinions?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #291 on: November 23, 2020, 01:12:16 PM »
Deep silence again?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #291 on: November 23, 2020, 01:12:16 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #292 on: November 24, 2020, 10:16:42 AM »
Please follow the discussion on the same topic (the same title of the topic) in besslerwheel.com/forum. A member of this forum promised to make a third animation, which would help to clafify the situation.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #293 on: November 27, 2020, 10:20:48 AM »
Please follow the discussion on the same topic (the same title of the topic) in besslerwheel.com/forum. A member of this forum promised to make a third animation, which would help to clafify the situation. We are looking forward this third animation.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #293 on: November 27, 2020, 10:20:48 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #294 on: November 27, 2020, 03:54:49 PM »
besslerwheel.com/forum is full of agents of the big mafia who do their best to reject obvious truths. Tragedy!

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #295 on: November 28, 2020, 01:49:36 PM »
Please follow our discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum. The same topic and the same title. Seems to be interesting. A gang of professional rejectors against a single hero warrior. :)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #296 on: December 03, 2020, 10:55:48 AM »
Interesting discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum. Please follow it if you like.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #297 on: December 06, 2020, 04:17:42 PM »
Deep silence again? Any comments, questions?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #298 on: December 08, 2020, 11:46:58 AM »
Please follow our discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum. Below is a copy of our last post there. (The copy is surrounded/limited up and down by double dashed lines.
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To ME.
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The link below describes how the experiment (and the related possible animation) has to take place. The link below contains four drawings, that is, these are Fig. 1A, Fig. 1B, Fig. 2A and Fig. 2B.
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https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/2020_fig1-2.pdf
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1) Firstly please look at Fig. 1A.
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1 - 1) The red block is called body 1.
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1 - 2) The green ramp and the blue cube are firmly attached one to another thus forming one united whole, which is called body 2.
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1 - 3) The center of mass of body 1 coincides with its geometric center.
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1 - 4) The center of mass of body 2 coincides with the geometric center of the blue cube.
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1 - 5) A spring of characteristic 4 (please look at our previous posts) is attached to the centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2, respectively.
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1 - 6) A straight (dashed) line "a" connects the center of mass of body 1 to the center of mass of body 2. The straight line "a" has the following 2 properties.
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1 - 6 -1) The straight line "a" is the longitudinal axis of symmetry of the spring.
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1 - 6 - 2) The straight line "a" is motionless, that is, it does not move sideways and/or does not rotate at any angle. Actually we illustrate here the point of view of an observer, who is motionless with respect to the straight line "a". In other words, this is the point of view of an observer, who is fixed to (with) the straight line "a".
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1 - 7) The experiment is carried out in a space station under weightlessness conditions. Friction is negligible.
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1 - 8) The sliding contact between the red block and the green ramp is never lost, that is, while sliding relative one to other the red block and the green ramp are always in contact.
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2) Let us now allow the spring to contract. (Please look at Fig. 1B.) The contraction of the spring generates 4 results, which take place simultaneously.
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2 - 1) Body 1 covers the distance "k".
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2 - 2) The centers of mass of bodies 1 and 2 approach each other while moving on the straight line "a".
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2 - 3) Body 1 rotates clockwise at some angle α. The related center of rotation is the center of mass of body 1.
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2 - 4) Body 2 rotates clockwise at some angle β. The related center of rotation is the center of mass of body 2.
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3) Please look at Figs. 2A and 2B. The experiment here is just the same with the only difference that now (a) the blue cube is bigger, (b) the related angles of rotation are smaller and (c) the distances, traveled by the two centers of mass (while moving on the straight line "a" and while approaching each other), are smaller too. In one word, the bigger the blue cube, the smaller the related angles of rotation and the smaller the distances, traveled by the two centers of mass (while moving on the straight line "a" and while approaching each other).
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Note 1. The sizes of the red block and the sizes of the green ramp do not change and remain constant. The same for distance "k", that is, k = const.
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Note 2. Figs. 1A and 2A illustrate the starting positions of the experiments and Figs. 1B and 2B illustrate the final positions of the experiments.
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4) What is the couple of forces, which causes the combined motion (straight-line motion + rotary motion) of bodies 1 and 2? These two forces (let us call them G and -G (or whatever capital Latin letter you choose)) are opposite in direction and equal in magnitude. The common line of action of these two forces is the straight line "a". Force G is applied to the center of mass of body 1 and is directed to the center of mass of body 2. Force -G is applied to the center of mass of body 2 and is directed to the center of mass of body 1. And the situation does not change and remains the same if the blue cube is bigger (or much bigger) than the green ramp and the red block.
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Shall we do the animation now in accordance with the four drawings and the related text above?
Everything seems to be clear now, doesn't it?
Looking forward to your answer.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #299 on: December 12, 2020, 03:47:01 PM »
Interesting discussion in besslerwheel.com/forum. Below is a copy of our last post there. (The copy is surrounded/limited up and down by double dashed lines.)
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Hi ME.
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Thank you for your reply.
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1) Everything you have written is correct.
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2) In order to avoid the system to behave like a pendulum we put some (partially or entirely) inelastic stop at the end of the distance k.
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3) But the focus of our research is not focused on problems related to the previous items 1 and 2. Please focus on the following aspects of the situation.
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3A) Fixed (to the screen of the animation) and motionless straight line "a". EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!
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3B) Simultaneous straight-line and rotary motions of bodies 1 and 2 while their two centers of mass move on the straight line "a" under the influence of the contracting spring.
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3C) Direction and magnitude of each of the two forces, which are applied to the two centers of mass/to the two ends of the spring. (If each of the two ends of the spring is equipped with a dynamometer, then what would be the readings of each dynamometer? (The two dynamometers are identical.)
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Looking for ward to your answer
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