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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 48577 times)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #211 on: December 29, 2019, 01:56:42 PM »
Hi nix85,
Need some time to consider carefully your last post.
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #212 on: December 29, 2019, 01:59:23 PM »
Magnetic levitation (PERMANENT MAGNETS!) for the zigzag design. Practically no friction and no heat.
How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #212 on: December 29, 2019, 01:59:23 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #213 on: January 04, 2020, 09:45:20 AM »
Magnetic levitation at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoW0A8hYs5A and many other similar and related links.
Besides please look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XngSTeh2Q and many other similar and related links. (It's about home-made and toy models of Maglev's train.)
Perfectly suitable for the zigzag mechanical conception. No friction and no heat.
Looking forward to your answer.
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #214 on: January 06, 2020, 10:11:20 PM »
Hi smOky2,
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You strongly surprise me, my friend! What is the problem? You are not able to read a hand-written text? You are not illiterate, aren't you?
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Ehhhhhhhh....


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I will repeat again. (As if it is most difficult to understand OBVIOUS truths.)
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Firstly, please consider carefully the two links below:
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
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After fully understanding the concept, described in the two links above, you have to read carefully and fully understand the concept in the third link, which is a very important addition to the first link and to the second link, and which is given below:
3) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/please_have_a_look.pdf
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And at last you have to answer a simple question: Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against the concept, described in the third link?
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How to explain the things in a simpler and easier manner?
George   
   


The OBVIOUS truth is that you are negating all of your variables, and presenting equations
that are not equivalent, nor are they a true representation of the physics behind your “zigzags”.


Your math doesn’t make sense.
How much of the friction is turned to heat or how much is a prolonged elastic collision is irrelevant.
You’ll get the same numbers throwing your blue contraption at a wall.
The fact that you slide a bar to press on opposite sides of the wall(s) only complicates the math
not the solution. Neither of which are included in your hand-written paper.


If you attempt a real world experiment you will find that within the proportions of known materials
and densities you cannot simply “pick and choose” a condition where your math works out.
You preempted yourself by assigning a mass proportionality between the blue and the black
If you follow that assumption and what it implies you see where your friction went.
there exist devices that utilize your zigzag interface. Not exactly as you have with the double sided
U
But the same nonetheless.


Example: a type of brakes were made in this manner, and later abandoned due to a transfer of
motion into a perpendicular reference frame, in an oscillatory motion.
This is because the “ball” has actual mass.
If it had no mass the blue part would experience no effect of the zigzag.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #214 on: January 06, 2020, 10:11:20 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #215 on: January 11, 2020, 08:54:05 AM »
Hi smOky2,
Thank you for your reply.
Well, we are talking again about different things. I would like to ask you again to focus on the target and not to consider things which are true by themselves but which are not related to the present discussion.
I will repeat again. I am writing again (especially for you!) the most important abstract of the third link. And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
Do you have any theoretical (ONLY THEORETICAL!) objections against this last claim? YES OR NO?


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #216 on: January 11, 2020, 10:15:06 AM »
Why are you discussing irrelevant things. It all comes down to a FACT that if unbalanced mass is oscillating within 180 degrees and it is curbed from going beyond 180 degrees


 >>>>>>>>> BY ACTING ON THE AXIS, NOT THE MASS ITSELF <<<<<<<<<


then AND ONLY THEN, you will get unidirectional acceleration.

For example if you are floating in space and you swing your arms in front and then stop them when they are fully stretched to each side, you are stopping them by acting on your shoulder ''axis'', and therefore, there is no backward trust, only forward acceleration due to the swing.

IN OTHER WORDS, MOMENTUM THAT WOULD BE TURNED INTO BACKWARD TRUST IF WE STOPPED THE MASS DIRECTLY FROM GOING BEYOND 180 DEGREES IS SPENT AS COUNTERTORQUE AT THE SHAFT - AXIS OF ROTATION.

To further clear it up, imagine two big pendulums on a shaft floating in space and they are pushed at great speed from position in the front where they overlapped backward in opposite directions...

Now, if you who are sitting at the shaft and therefore are also part of the system, grabbed the pendulums by your hands to stop them from going beyond 180 degrees they would impart their momentum to your hands and system would be given backward acceleration.

But if you instead created great friction that prevented the shaft from turning that momentum would be consumed at the shaft as friction and no backward momentum would be imparted to the system, leaving pure forward acceleration due to centrifugal force.

Remember Thronson, he did not use a clutch but he did act on the axis of rotation instead of decelerating the masses by acting directly on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIt661hfr9c

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #217 on: January 11, 2020, 12:08:23 PM »
No rocket fuel has ever been needed, simple rotation of unbalanced mass could allow 1G or more acceleration with minimal expenditure of energy.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #218 on: January 11, 2020, 04:41:48 PM »
Travel time at 1G from here https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/840/how-fast-will-1g-get-you-there

Not assuming any time taken for orbital maneuvering, turning halfway 180° to decelerate, assuming closest distance of planets (and Luna) to the Earth, and not accounting for fuel burn (i.e. literal constant 1g acceleration):

The Moon / Luna:
Closest to Earth (Supermoon): 356,577 km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 2h 22m 12s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 3h 20m 24s

Mercury:
Closest to Earth: 77.3 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 10h 52m 48s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 2d 1h 19m 12s

Venus:
Closest to Earth: 40 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 1h 5m 2s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 1d 11h 28m 48s

Mars:
Closest to Earth: 65 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 1d 7h 58m 5s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 1d 21h 13m 1s

Jupiter:
Closest to Earth: 588 million km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 4d 0h 11m 2s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 5d 16h 2m 2s

Saturn:
Closest to Earth: 1.2 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 5d 17h 25m 1s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 8d 2h 20m 24s

Uranus:
Closest to Earth: 2.57 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 8d 9h 6m 0s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 11d 20h 24m 0s

Neptune:
Closest to Earth: 4.3 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 10d 20h 7m 48s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 15d 7h 52m 48s

Pluto:
Closest to Earth: 4.28 billion km
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, no deceleration): 10d 19h 31m 12s
Travel time (at 9.80665 m/s2, decelerating halfway): 15d 7h 1m 12s

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #218 on: January 11, 2020, 04:41:48 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #219 on: January 11, 2020, 04:44:46 PM »
Of course craft with such primitive mechanical drive could never leave Earth's magnetic barrier which is 5 MOON DIAMETERS BEYOND OUR MOON, that would mean instant death to everyone on board, no one leaves the CHINVAT BRIDGE ALIVE without his own REF.

But for voyages to the Moon and back, piece of cake.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #221 on: January 18, 2020, 08:44:25 AM »
Hi nix85,
Thank you for your reply.
We are talking again about different things. I would like to ask you again to focus on the target and not to consider things which are true by themselves but which are not related to the present discussion.
A SIMPLE DIRECT QUESTION NEEDS A SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER! AND YOU ALWAYS AVOID TO GIVE THIS SIMPLE DIRECT ANSWER!
But I am a man of good will and patience and I will repeat again. I am writing again (especially for you!) the most important abstract of the third link. And here is this MOST IMPORTANT abstract:
"It is evident that we can always choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0."
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And I will modify the question a little especially for you. And here it is: "Can we choose a suitable combination of (a) magnitude of force of friction, (b) length of segments s and (c) number and shape of zigzags, for which Fc = F'c, Fc > 0, F'c > 0, d = d', d > 0 and d' > 0?" YES OR NO?
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Looking forward to your answer.
George
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P. S. Please understand very well the meanings of Fc, Fc', d and d'. Because it seems to me that you are not very familiar with these four terms.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #222 on: January 18, 2020, 10:30:56 AM »
Hi nix85

I am not avoiding anything, subject is reactionless drive and that is exactly what i talked about.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #223 on: January 18, 2020, 03:48:47 PM »
These motors do not work.

The ones with a smaller eccentric orbit synched by either gear or belt.

I would know if they did.

There was a small dedicated forum to Bobby amarasingham.

https://www.magistrala.cz/freeenergy/2019/04/15/%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85-%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB-%D0%B2-%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD/

But with all the dodging and the final silence it was clear there was nothing to these motors.

Its an easy idea to have honestly, very visual, at first glance it seems like it could work.

But it does not interact with the universe, and creates no power.

The same reason why these reactionless drives dont work, they simly are lame with very little power and speed.

This is not how UFO's work, thus, nasa doesnt care, we can all row faster than that boat.

People claim lack of financial support all the time, the real issue is that their technology just sucks.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #224 on: January 18, 2020, 05:29:44 PM »
These motors do not work.

Untrue, centrifugal propulsion does indeed work, i defined the basic principle in
detail anyone can test at home. Sit yourself on an office chair, swing two masses
in front of you horizontally and you will be pulled forward as if someone pushed
you from behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUZDBRzKNKk

 

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