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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 212822 times)

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2019, 10:51:51 AM »
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Best wishes to all members of this forum!
And I would like to ask again for support, partnership and collaboration:
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum, who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2019, 12:43:07 PM »
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Best wishes to all members of this forum!
And I would like to ask again for support, partnership and collaboration:
1) Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
2) Any member of this forum, who is a top expert in theoretical and applied mechanics, and who is able to check the correctness of our calculations related to 5/11 zigzag experiments?
Happy new year George!
I think your question doesn't get any response, but I have answered your question earlier - even if it wasn't exactly what you wanted.
If you want to simulate a mechanical setup, the professional way, any legit simulators out there does not allow over unity - simply because they take all physical and mathematical aspects into consideration that cannot allow a false answer to a calculation. It will, if all details about your zigzag-idea is put into the model, calculate zero output.


I have analyzed your zigzag-idea (Based on what I can uderstand frot it), but I cannot find anything in it which creates energy from nothing, or anything special, or surprizingly odd.


Vidar

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2019, 12:50:00 PM »
Happy New Year, Vidar!
Thanks a lot for your reply. I would not agree with your opinion, but it's ok. It is normal different people to have different opinions.
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To all other colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share Vidar's opinion.
Please consider carefully the 10 items below that can be found by Google.
1) Physics engine -- Wikipedia.
2) Physics abstraction layer (PAL).
3) Dynamechs.
4) RigidChips.
5) Dynamical simulation -- Wikipedia.
6) Open dynamics engine.
7) Japanese rigid-body simulator.
8) Rigid-body simulator.
9) Rigid-body Dynamic Simulators.
10) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 15 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2019, 11:50:18 PM »
 @George1,
 
Hi,
I'm an old timer. Been a very long time since my last post...
Nicely written paper! Very cleanly explained. Congratulations! However, I've stop reading at the very top of page 8: "The second result is that the blue T-shaped component decelerates..."
Why is it do you think it would decelerate? Would it? Why would it? I'm asking because I firmly believe it won't. In the absence of any friction (ideal case), it's the balls that accelerates instead. It will accelerate without any problem in the light of the assumption made at page 3, in the brackets: "For easier considerations further in the text you could assume that the masses of the two symmetrical couples blue rods - blue balls are equal to zero and can be neglected". Emphasis is on "are equal to zero", hence they do not require energy, nor momentum, to accelerate instantaneously.  The speed of T-shaped component will, therefore, remain constant. Having reached this point, I'm sorry to say that, imho, the rest of the paper does fall short on physics?


Waiting for your reply,

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George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2019, 01:01:35 PM »
But if the speed of the T-shaped component remains constant, then this will lead to a severe violation of the two basic laws. No matter how many are the zigzags the T-shaped component's speed will be always constant and the T-shaped component will never stop. Did I understand you correctly?
(In my poor opinion the best solution is the use of a high-quality rigid-body simulator of the kind that is used in NASA, Boeing, Formula 1 etc.)
Looking forward to your answer.
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tinu

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2019, 02:24:37 PM »
Yes, that is correct. In the absence of friction and zero ball masses, the T-shaped component's speed will be always constant, regardless of zigzags. There is no violations of any laws that I am aware of.
If you'll want to consider non-zero ball masses but also the absence of friction, the speed of T-shaped component will vary as per momentum and energy conservation laws, depending on the zigzags exact geometrical configuration but, in the end, when traveling straight again, the speed will revert back to the exact initial speed, regardless of zigzags. It's just slightly more complicated to solve but in essence I think you'll find out a solution close to a kind of jerky motion and nothing else of particular relevance.
That's how I see it.I'm sorry for the bad news.

Low-Q

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2019, 07:01:12 PM »
@tinu
That is pretty much what I figured out too.


Vidar

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2019, 09:30:59 AM »
To Low-Q/Vidar and tinu.
Thanks a lot for your replies. I would not agree with your arguements because of several reasons. It will take too much time and space however to explain these reasons in detail. (Part of these reasons were explained in some of my previous posts.)  Anyway you both are free to have your own opinions and protect them. It's OK. My intuition tells me however that very soon you both will change your minds and you both will join our team. If so, you are welcome.
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To all other colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share present Vidar's and tinu's opinions.
Please consider carefully the 10 items below that can be found by Google.
1) Physics engine -- Wikipedia.
2) Physics abstraction layer (PAL).
3) Dynamechs.
4) RigidChips.
5) Dynamical simulation -- Wikipedia.
6) Open dynamics engine.
7) Japanese rigid-body simulator.
8) Rigid-body simulator.
9) Rigid-body Dynamic Simulators.
10) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 15 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2019, 01:14:29 PM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share present Vidar's and tinu's opinions.
Please consider carefully the links below.
1) https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_simulation_software
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PfAtth53bk
4) https://www.mathworks.com/products/simmechanics.html
5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_engine
6) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 20 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2019, 03:59:18 PM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum, who do not share present Vidar's and tinu's opinions.
Please consider carefully the links below.
1) https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_simulation_software
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PfAtth53bk
4) https://www.mathworks.com/products/simmechanics.html
5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics_engine
6) And many more.
Google shows that there are at least 20 high-quality simulators of physical reality which ARE BASED ON THE THREE NEWTON'S LAWS. And this means that the experimental error is reduced practically to zero.
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2019, 10:40:47 AM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2019, 02:49:38 PM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2019, 10:14:17 AM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2019, 09:59:29 AM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George

George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2019, 01:09:32 PM »
To all colleagues and friends in this forum.
Please consider the link below, which shows computer simulations of a great variety of real physical processes.
https://www.myphysicslab.com/index-en.html
Please help us to make a computer simulation of the mechanical systems described in the two links below.
1) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf
2) https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf
The first link contains the text, and the second link contains the related Figs.1-6. The two links form one united whole.
Besides there is an YouTube clip which describes the same technology. The video quality of the clip is not very good however.
The clip can be found at this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pLeawOh3Ho.
(Please look at the beginning of this forum discussion.)
LET'S DO THE THINGS TOGETHER!
Looking forward to your answer.
Best regards,
George