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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 16509 times)

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2019, 12:52:25 PM »
Hi everyone
1) Are there any skillful engineers/craftsmen in this forum who are ready to carry out either real or computer-simulated experiments? We are ready to pay. How much?
2) We are also ready to discuss any form of cooperation of mutual benefit. Any idea in this direction?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #91 on: April 30, 2019, 09:26:01 AM »
It seems to me a paradox that there isn't at least one enthusiast in this forum who is ready to perform either a real or a computer-simulated experiment of the reactionless drive. I can't understand this. What happens here?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2019, 09:53:55 AM »
Hi everyone
Very, very sad! No inventors-enthisiasts here?
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #92 on: May 02, 2019, 09:53:55 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #93 on: May 02, 2019, 03:06:16 PM »
 Maybe that's because time and money are too precious to be wasted?!
There are enough enthusiasts here but I told you already that your idea is flawed. You may perform the real experiment by yourself by placing two laser pointers at the end of a rod in such a way that their emitted photons will be your zero-mass balls. Make the zig-zag pattern out of mirrors appropriately placed so as the laser is reflected back to the central rod where is to be absorbed on a black surface. Now you can move the rod back and forth and do your observations and measurements. I suggest you use a very low-amplitude pendulum movement for the rod by suspending it with stings under vacuum and then measure it's oscillation frequency, with lasers turned on then off. But I'd rather suggest you better keep studying physics as it would be more conclusive and beneficial in the long run.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2019, 09:49:40 AM »
Hi tinu,
Thank you for reply.
1) First of all it's evident that there is some kind of misunderstanding here. Nobody ever mentioned about zero-mass balls. The mass of each blue ball is, let's say, 1/100 the mass of the T-shaped blue component.
2) Your laser-based idea seems to be interesting. But how will you imitate the "ball+rod united whole" back-and-forth motion by using laser beams? We cannot understand this. It seems to be incompatible with our basic concept. Please explain your point of view in detail, if possible.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
       

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2019, 09:49:40 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2019, 10:12:16 AM »
I couldn't wade through the verbose exposition - reminds me of something from Bergson or Alfred Whitehead. Can you not summarize it in 2 or 3 sentences? The springs remind one of what is a truly reaction-less system - i.e.  http://www.inertialpropulsion.com/ .
Nothing like it thoguh, is it?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2019, 12:29:14 PM »
Hi hdeasy,
Is there any friction between this machine and the horizontal surface?
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #96 on: May 04, 2019, 12:29:14 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #97 on: May 04, 2019, 12:31:24 PM »
As if some four small wheels maintain the horizontal motion?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2019, 01:13:18 PM »
Do you mean Steve's demo of his cart moving? Well some friction is there between wheels and surface but he maintains that a reaction-less force moves it forward without contact to the axle of the wheels. However, the movement is a bit jerky, which could be that he's using one way wheels. In this case the system would be reaction off the floor.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #98 on: May 04, 2019, 01:13:18 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #99 on: May 06, 2019, 10:28:58 AM »
Hi tinu,
Thank you for reply.
1) First of all it's evident that there is some kind of misunderstanding here. Nobody ever mentioned about zero-mass balls. The mass of each blue ball is, let's say, 1/100 the mass of the T-shaped blue component.
2) Your laser-based idea seems to be interesting. But how will you imitate the "ball+rod united whole" back-and-forth motion by using laser beams? We cannot understand this. It seems to be incompatible with our basic concept. Please explain your point of view in detail, if possible.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George
     
Hi George1,

1. Nobody ever mentioned about zero-mass balls?!!! https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf Page 3, in the brackets: "For easier considerations further in the text you could assume that the masses of the two symmetrical couples blue rods - blue balls are equal to zero and can be neglected".  So, it seems the whole paper was written by somebody else, someone not part of 'your team', since you don't even remember what's about? I've only red it once, almost 4 months ago  and still remember what's written within while you obviously don't know it even at this time...
So, who actually wrote the paper? Please tell him/her/them, that the paper is plain wrong (starting with page 8 ) and please forward to him/her/them my previous post of January 6th.

2. You absolutely need a blue laser, since the rods and balls are blue in the concept paper you posted. Otherwise, the whole experiment might fail. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will fail. So, if you don't have a blue laser to emit blue photons acting as blue balls, you may quickly rewrite the paper according to the laser wavelength you have available, in an attempt to save the situation.  For instance, you may try red rods and red balls, if you have a red laser readily available. Yes, it seems my idea is hard to understood, isn't it? I'm glad you find it interesting, tough.
Point 2 was a joke, obviously, for those wandering. But since we're wasting time here, why not?

Best regards.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2019, 11:33:24 AM »
Hi guys,
Let us focus again on the zigzag design as described in the first post of this topic.
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1) What will happen if:
a) the mass of the blue component is SMALLER than the mass of the black component;
b) the mass of the blue component is EQUAL to the mass of the black component;
c) the mass of the blue component is BIGGER than the mass of the black component.
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2) And one modification of the main concept.
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Let us assume that the black component is fixed motionless somewhere to some obstacle and is not able to move. In this case it is evident that after entering the zigzag channel section the blue component will decelerate. What will be the value of this deceleration d and how it will depend on the number of the zigzags? After how many zigzags for example the velocity of the blue component will be 3/4 its initial velocity Vo? Or, let's say, 1/2?
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And one more question. It is evident that if the blue component enters the zigzag channel section, then the black component exerts force Fc on the obstacle, which does not allow the black component's linear motion. It is evident that the direction of Fc coincides with the direction of Vo. What will be the mean value of Fc for example? Or its maximum and minimum? 
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So can somebody calculate the values of the deceleration d and of the force Fc for all of us in this forum? It is evident that both d and Fc are bigger than zero ( d > 0 and Fc > 0), but it will be a nice job if some formulas are derived.
(Note. Friction is negligible and the shape of the zigzag channel could be for example an ordinary standard sinusoid. (Or any other curve, if more convenient.))
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Looking forward to your answers.
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George     

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2019, 11:33:24 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #101 on: May 07, 2019, 08:57:02 AM »
Hi guys,
Some calculations and/or opinions related to our last post?
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #102 on: May 08, 2019, 11:38:56 AM »
Hi guys,
Any calculated values for Fc and/or for d?
Regards,
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #103 on: May 08, 2019, 12:41:19 PM »
 Yes, I'm working on it!
It goes quite slowly. So far I have a report but it's 800 pages long...  ::)
 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #104 on: May 08, 2019, 01:32:28 PM »
OK, we are waiting!
 

 

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