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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 152790 times)

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #705 on: May 21, 2021, 01:36:54 PM »
As for reducing friction, electropolished stainless steel
+ low viscosity grease is the best.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #706 on: May 21, 2021, 04:33:32 PM »
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You wrote: "Two of the devices in my recent pictures worked as expected." Would you be so polite to remind me in which of your posts these two devices were described? (Because your dialogue with nix85 (as well as with other colleagues) here bombed me with a lot of information (this is not a reproach!) and I forgot in which of your posts these two devices were descrbed. I am sorry for this.) [/color][/font][/size]
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Hey George, Thanks for taking an interest in my work.  The Hinge Machine relates to my conversation with nix about using springs.  He said someone built his basic idea about a weighted arm flopping back and forth between two springs.  That guy reported a torque effect, and I recognized that the weighted arm was pulling - through the spring - against one side of the frame, and that this caused the bottom corner to lift up, then drop back down when the torque impulse ended.  I hope you remember this, as it would be time consuming to find the specific message.


At that point in our discussion (which wasn't intended to "bomb" your thread), I pointed out that when a mass with a curved trajectory moves against a spring, the resulting centrifugal reaction force is felt at the spring's tie off point.  (The spring is what's pulling the mass, not the pivot).  My Hinge Machine, which I built and tested myself, embodies, and proves this basic, fundamental principle:  *as long as the hinges are moving against springs* all centrifugal force is directed to the sides, and there is no forwards or reverse movement at all, as there would be if the centripetal pull were still coming from the shafts, rather than from the springs.  Furthermore, while the masses are moving through the longer trajectories, at the ends of the moving hinges, Conservation of Momentum requires the rotational speed to slow down, and that's exactly what happens during my machine's operation.  So this is one way to produce a braking force on the backside.  The remainder of that machine's operation hasn't been discussed on this forum.


Like I said, I wasn't intending to bomb your thread.  You seemed to tolerate nix's unrelated postings, without complaint, so I merely joined in with his discussion, when I saw an error in his presumptions.


My third picture shows a counter rotating concentric shaft mechanism which I presented, without discussing its operation, or application, saying only that "there are other ways to flap a hinge".  (From a recent message.)  Something I didn't do was disagree with his assertion that springs are unnecessary, even "unadvisable"; for some purposes, a spring is essential.


Again, thanks for your interest.


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Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #707 on: May 21, 2021, 04:54:54 PM »
It is not just back torque. He said device jumped in the air then back down.

Back torque can just lift one side and sink the other, NOT propel whole device up.

But this configuration is no good for reason already illustrated. Two points connected
by a spring will clash in straight line pushing the pivot down.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #707 on: May 21, 2021, 04:54:54 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #708 on: May 21, 2021, 05:06:31 PM »
There is a workaround, using springs in different way.
Key being that springs here act purely in horizontal way.

Again, this is just for demonstration of the basic principle
which can be demonstrated without springs as well acting
on the axis.

This is of course not a solution for actual propulsion system.
There are better solutions, i already shared water one,
you did not recognize it. There is an even better one,
not mine idea, i am not sharing that one.

Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #709 on: May 21, 2021, 10:56:51 PM »
Hi George, I need some advice.
You recently suggested using air for an Internal Propulsion system. I've done some work along these lines, using a high power 'smoke ring' vortex blaster. Obviously, the ring impact momentum is going to equal the launch recoil. However, my vortex explodes on impact, then blasts outwards. So I was wondering if an angled deflection ring around the perimeter, redirecting the blast downwards, would produce lift in an enclosed container, such as a balloon?


Here's my video:
https://youtu.be/AKYK0_NfFLc

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #709 on: May 21, 2021, 10:56:51 PM »
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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #710 on: May 22, 2021, 11:59:55 AM »
What I'm thinking is that after the blast is deflected downwards, producing lift, the downwards momentum will be attenuated through elastic scattering.


Any comments?  Or should I just abandon the idea?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #711 on: May 22, 2021, 06:20:32 PM »
@George1:
All righty then, no advice. I'm turning it back over to you. But don't forget, using gas was YOUR idea; it's not like I tried to hijack your thread or something.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #712 on: May 26, 2021, 02:20:23 PM »
To nix85.
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1) You wrote: "George, stop the disinformation! As for reducing friction, electropolished stainless steel+ low viscosity grease is the best."
2) But dear nix85, I am not trying to disinform anybody! We are only considering different possible methods for reducing of friction! And yes, I perfectly agree with you that "electropolished stainless steel+ low viscosity grease" is an excellent solution! I am not arguing with you! :)   

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #713 on: May 26, 2021, 02:21:46 PM »
To Jerry Volland.
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Hi there,
1) I could not answer you immediately because I was fully occupied with some experiments of ours.
2) It would be a pleasure for my colleagues and me to work together. Please give me some time to consider carefully your last posts.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #713 on: May 26, 2021, 02:21:46 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #714 on: May 26, 2021, 02:26:48 PM »
To those members of this forum who would like to carry out the experiments as described in the link  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  and in the related posts of ours in this forum.
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Let me share with you some experimental experience of ours.
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1) Disadvantages of the experiment in PART 1 and in PART 2.
1A) Comparatively short time intervals due to g = 9.81 m/s2. These comparatively short time intervals are not easy to be measured experimentally.
1B) Comparatively high downward variable velocities due to g = 9.81 m/s2. These comparatively high downward variable velocities are not easy to be measured experimentally.
1C) Comparatively large sizes of the experimental device. The blue component's free fall initial height has to be at least 2 meters long as a minimum. Otherwise it is comparatively difficult to measure experimentally the time intervals and the downward variable velocities mentioned in the above items 1A and 1B. (The bigger the initial free fall height, the easier the experimental measurement of the related time intervals and downward velocities.)
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2) Advantages of the experiment in PART 1 and in PART 2.
2A) A comparatively small number of moving objects. These are only three in number -- the two couples blue rod-blue ball and the T-shaped blue component. (The Π-shaped black component is motionless.)
2B) A comparatively easy practical realization of the experimental device due to previous item 2A.
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3) Advantages of the experiment in PART 3.
3A) Comparatively long time intervals in the absence of g = 9.81 m/s2. These comparatively long time intervals are comparatively easy to be measured experimentally.
3B) Comparatively low horizontal constant velocities in the absence of g = 9.81 m/s2. These comparatively low horizontal constant velocities are comparatively easy to be measured experimentally.
3C) Comparatively small sizes of the experimental device.
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4) Disadvantages of the experiment in PART 3.
4A) A comparatively large number of moving objects. These are four in number -- the two couples blue rod-blue ball, the T-shaped blue component and the Π-shaped black component.
4B) A comparatively difficult practical realization of the experimental device due to previous item 4A.
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5) Taking into considerations all pros and cons of the experimental situation we (our team) tend to conclude that it is much better to focus on the experiment described in PART 3 of the video. Because longer time intervals and lower horizontal constant velocities (if compared to shorter time intervals and higher downward variable velocities) are much easier to be registered and measured experimentally.
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Looking forward to your comments.   

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #715 on: May 28, 2021, 09:15:29 AM »
To Jerry Volland.
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Your last video is very interesting. Some more details about your experiment? (If this is not a commercial and technology secret of yours, of course.) The problem (not unsolvable, of course) is that the fluid mechanics is a quite sophisticated field of knowledge, which is mostly based on theoretical models and too much mathematics. Do you have some calculations/equations or you rely mostly on intuition? (I am not against intuition. The latter gives many times much better results than mathematics.)
Looking forward to your answer.     

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #716 on: May 28, 2021, 09:18:25 AM »
Please have a look again at the link  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY  and in the related posts of ours in this forum.
Can we accept the simple obvious fact that the law of conservation of mechanical energy is not correct in this particular case?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #717 on: May 28, 2021, 04:10:34 PM »
To Jerry Volland.
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Your last video is very interesting. Some more details about your experiment? (If this is not a commercial and technology secret of yours, of course.) The problem (not unsolvable, of course) is that the fluid mechanics is a quite sophisticated field of knowledge, which is mostly based on theoretical models and too much mathematics. Do you have some calculations/equations or you rely mostly on intuition? (I am not against intuition. The latter gives many times much better results than mathematics.)
Looking forward to your answer.     


Your question is actually directed @TommeyLReed. Why did you invoke my name?

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #718 on: May 29, 2021, 12:48:42 AM »
George you still did not explain how is your body falling through curved pipe
experiment related to inertial propulsion.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #719 on: May 30, 2021, 01:12:32 PM »
To Jerry Volland.
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Yes, I see, you are right, it's my fault. I will write to this guy and will ask him to give some more details related to his experiment.

 

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