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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 152795 times)

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #690 on: May 18, 2021, 11:27:25 AM »
Of course there are. Point being, in Shipov device for example
clearly there is acceleration to one side but then he allows
masses to go beyond 180° and of course it curbs itself.
If he curbed the masses at the axis before they crossed
180° there would be no back reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoZPvL-9oI

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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #691 on: May 18, 2021, 07:17:06 PM »
Thank you both.

Yesterday i figured my idea with springs is flawed for the reason
i suspected.

If you have two balls on arms joined at a pivot and you got a spring
connecting two balls, balls are gonna clash together in a straight line
pushing the pivot downward.

Guy who built it said it jumped in the air but then bounced back down.
So obviously there is centrifugal pull but also this effect canceling it.

Springs were just an idea to simplify demonstration of the basic principle
which stands perfectly.

Basic principle, again, refers to accelerating/decelerating counterrotating
unbalanced masses on the axis.



nix85:


Thank you for considering my experiment, but the arrow in your drawing is backwards.  As the hinge opens, the pivot moves upwards. Then, the instant the hinge stops, the pivot moves back downwards an equal amount. Due to Conservation of Momentum, the mechanism itself will move however it has to for the masses to move in a straight line, rather than in a curved path. (In the absence of torque input).


So what will happen if the operation is motorized?


And, of course, there are other ways to use a hinge.

Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #692 on: May 18, 2021, 07:19:15 PM »
For convience, here's a copy of your drawing:

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #692 on: May 18, 2021, 07:19:15 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #693 on: May 18, 2021, 08:09:42 PM »

nix85:


Thank you for considering my experiment, but the arrow in your drawing is backwards.  As the hinge opens, the pivot moves upwards. Then, the instant the hinge stops, the pivot moves back downwards an equal amount. Due to Conservation of Momentum, the mechanism itself will move however it has to for the masses to move in a straight line, rather than in a curved path. (In the absence of torque input).


So what will happen if the operation is motorized?


And, of course, there are other ways to use a hinge.

I was not referring to you but another guy who built my design, of which
i posted a photo few pages back, and my design is quite different from yours.

Springs can be utilized but it is advisable to avoid them cause they are not
needed.

There are better ways.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #694 on: May 19, 2021, 09:50:31 AM »
To nix85.
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Interesting, very interesting!

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #694 on: May 19, 2021, 09:50:31 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #695 on: May 19, 2021, 09:52:52 AM »
The text below is a copy of our post of May 17, 2021, 03:38:48 PM.   
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1) 0.1 kg.m/s = 0.1 kg.m/s. The last equality shows the validity of the law of conservation of linear momentum in this particular case.
2) 0.005 J > 0.002 J. The last inequality shows the invalidity of the law of conservation of mechanical energy in this particular case.
3) Modern (and even not so modern) technologies allow reducing of friction to a certain value/limit, beyond which the experimental error (due to friction) becomes negligible (less than 1 %).
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Looking forward to your comments.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #696 on: May 19, 2021, 05:31:11 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #697 on: May 20, 2021, 09:33:17 AM »
To nix85.
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One question, if possible.
Until now your posts describe rotational systems, consisting of solid bodies and liquids. What would happen if we use gases (air for example) or dust, which rotate in some manner? Curious to know.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards, 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #698 on: May 20, 2021, 09:46:29 AM »
Please have a look again at the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&ab_channel=PeterAxe and at the related comments section. In this comments section an egghead-wiseacre, whose pseudonim is Dark Light 2.1, does his/her best to reject obvious truths. This person Dark Light 2.1 is a real clown! Please follow this discussion, if you like. 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #698 on: May 20, 2021, 09:46:29 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #699 on: May 20, 2021, 02:06:34 PM »
To nix85.
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One question, if possible.
Until now your posts describe rotational systems, consisting of solid bodies and liquids. What would happen if we use gases (air for example) or dust, which rotate in some manner? Curious to know.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,

It depends on what you ate, bean gas gives best centrifugal pull.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2021, 05:18:19 PM by nix85 »

Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #700 on: May 20, 2021, 05:31:14 PM »
Two of the devices in my recent pictures worked as expected. The second version of the Spinning Hinges produced torque impulses which caused the central motor to speed up and slow down. The third version of this system did, in fact, drag itself off to the side, in constantly changing directions. (Not exactly what I was hoping for).
Here's the key to succeeding in this field:
1. Come up with an idea.
2. Build it.
3. Turn it on and see what it does.
4. Figure out WHY it does what it does.
5. If necessary, modify and repeat.
6. At some point, work on a different idea.
Here's how to NOT succeed:
1. Come up with an idea.
2. Draw it, as fancy as you like.
3. Publish, proclaiming it WILL work.
4. Ignore, argue with, or ridicule Peer Review.
5. Stick with your idea.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #700 on: May 20, 2021, 05:31:14 PM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #701 on: May 21, 2021, 09:42:49 AM »
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Good comment! :) I appreciate your sense of humour! :)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #702 on: May 21, 2021, 09:53:47 AM »
To Jerry Volland.
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You wrote: "Two of the devices in my recent pictures worked as expected." Would you be so polite to remind me in which of your posts these two devices were described? (Because your dialogue with nix85 (as well as with other colleagues) here bombed me with a lot of information (this is not a reproach!) and I forgot in which of your posts these two devices were descrbed. I am sorry for this.)   

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #703 on: May 21, 2021, 10:05:46 AM »
1) Please have a look at the two links below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPqEEZa2Gis&ab_channel=IthacaCollegePhysicsIthacaCollegePhysics
2) The second link suggests another possible method (among many others) for reducing of friction (inside the zigzag channels in the first link above) practically to zero. The key component of this method is liquid nitrogen. The latter however proved to be extremely cheap -- only $ 2.00 per liter.
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Looking forward to your comments. 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #704 on: May 21, 2021, 01:34:47 PM »
George, stop the disinformation.

 

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