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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 165899 times)

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #570 on: May 07, 2021, 07:10:04 PM »
it's not the same, tesla stove reminds me a lot of tsirigakis design which also
does not work. i think that this double rotation that results in irregular path
confuses the inertial frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN4Vj3RCtjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcT863rxo-o

in this spring design pull to the side is not because there needs to be pull to the side
but that is simply a way of imparting torque.

all inertial devices rely on centrifugal pull, that is all they necessarily have in common
there is infinity of ways this pull can be made asymmetrical, many of which
reduce the radius in a way that completely or almost completely cancels
out the desired forward pull. some don't and those work powerfully.

this however, is the most simplistic of all, just an almost bare basic principal

only thing that differs it from completely bare principle is the springs.

for that there would have to be some kind of prime mover at the axis
to accelerate/decelerate the two arms in counterrotation.

maybe i'm wrong about this spring scheme, but i doubt i am
i'm quite sure once countertorque is canceled, powerful linear
acceleration will result. we'll see if someone makes it

there have to be two arms in counterrotation for valid experiment


Offline kolbacict

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #571 on: May 07, 2021, 08:07:07 PM »
https://youtu.be/c3I2zeoUbzg

Isn't that what we're talking about?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #572 on: May 07, 2021, 08:16:12 PM »
interesting but not exactly, i doubt if there is any centrifugal
force on the pivot due to the free end bending

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #573 on: May 07, 2021, 08:48:23 PM »
where did tesla say orbit, not rotation? i don't think he said that.
and no, weights are not same distance from center of rotation
as clearly shown in the video and screenshot below.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #574 on: May 07, 2021, 09:28:23 PM »
you are misinterpreting the patent. if he said orbit he meant arms
"orbiting" the center of rotation as clearly implied in the drawing.

again, masses are not same distance from the center of rotation
as evident in the screenshot. while one arm is exactly in the center
and therefore has 0 centrifugal force opposite one is max out and
has max force.

just like tsirigakis it appears it should work
direction of centrifugal force in both designs is
really all to one side, but it doesn't work

why, it's not clear. only thing that comes to mind
that this kind of irregular path somehow confuses
the inertial frames

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #575 on: May 07, 2021, 10:04:57 PM »
"mass action points have to have different distances from the center of the orbit"

masses DO have different distances from the center of the orbit, very much so,
as clearly seen in the screenshot.

this approach is unnecessarily complicated and debunked, not worth mentioning anymore.

"You have to pull the mass to the side while it curves upwards."

just no

there are better and simpler approaches, water based one i disclosed just one example
there are even better ones, i am not telling exactly everything, do your research, people

let's for now focus on the basic principle

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #576 on: May 07, 2021, 10:29:25 PM »
i'm not arguing with you, i'm just pointing out when you say something not true

over 100 machines you say and yet you don't really have anything to show
but short video in which your device jerked itself bit up and down.

i'm not downplaying your efforts, all honest effort is valuable and commendable!

couple of americans have been flying in a disc with water based inertial drive
in the 1990s (according to report from keelynet.com), same venturi principle
based drive i independently rediscovered and shared here.

and after that i found even better approach that works, it's out there, if
you dig for it. no reaction whatsoever, capable of high rpm..but i'm not disclosing
everything yet.

with no intent to boast, i understand this on bit deeper level.
that much about "mentorship".

also, i recognize the need for people to understand the simple basic principle.
how many people dabble in inertial propulsion and still don't get it, almost
none get it.

hopefully someone builds it, it will either make great news here or be another
failure, if it fails, which i doubt it will, i'll easily find another way to impart
momentum to those counterrotating arms.

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #577 on: May 07, 2021, 11:05:50 PM »
speaking of biggest mouth, you might look at your own posts.

i don't have any followers, i'm just another member of the forum

i am a builder. i been building for years and i am building right now.

not gonna show your machines cause they have financial value? ahaam, sure

let me be clear, this is not and cannot be an ego thing. i invested most of
my time in gravity and OU, but i did invest A LOT of time and energy into
inertial propulsion too.

and i have no problem admitting that last principle i referred to in last post,
which is superior to anything i ever seen is totally not my idea and i was like
how in the world did i not figure this myself.

i have suffered the ego/pride enough to know it leads nowhere (hopefully)

also, i am student of art, i don't like to classify myself as an artists but i been
called that, i did write many songs in my life on a guitar mostly, i also work with
design. i don't see what that has to do with anything.

anyone who excels in anything in my book is a master and artist of that particular thing

Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #578 on: May 07, 2021, 11:42:12 PM »
that is most likely a troll question implying i did not study "art" (physics)
of inertial propulsion and there is a great irony considering he is the one
who did not study it, and if he did, he did not get it.
...
sure there might be money in it, but i do not pursue it for that reason
i didn't ask for last word, you are free to participate as much as you like

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #579 on: May 09, 2021, 11:18:37 AM »
Isn't there at least one brave member here in this forum who would dare to say that the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY puts the basis of a new technology revolution?

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #580 on: May 12, 2021, 02:59:02 PM »
Here are our last REAL experimental results.
1) Please look again at the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX14NK8GrDY&t=330s
2) From 3:45 to 3:48 we have Ma = 1 kg, Mb = 4 kg and V1 = 0.1 m/s. (Please consider only the "upper" zigzag device.)
3) From 3:59 to 4:01 we have Ma = 1 kg, Mb = 4 kg, V2 = 0.06 m/s and  V3 = 0.01 m/s. (Please consider only the "upper" zigzag device.)
4) (1 kg) x (0.1 m/s) = ((1kg) x (0.06 m/s)) + ((4kg) x (0.01 m/s)). The last equality unambiguously shows the validity of the law of conservation of linear momentum in this particular case.
5) (0.5) x (1 kg) x (0.1 m/s) x (0.1 m/s) > ((0.5) x (1 kg) x (0.06 m/s) x (0.06 m/s)) + ((0.5) x (4 kg) x (0.01 m/s) x (0.01 m/s)). The last inequality unambiguously shows the invalidity of the law of conservation of mechanical energy in this particular case. 
6) How to reduce friction inside the zigzag channels? The answer is simple -- by using permanent magnet slides. (There are literally hundreds of permanent magnet slide designs in YouTube and in Google.) Please look at the links below for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQH2UhHss6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXQqfIb-NXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4VGJCZUYE
7) The permanent magnet slide design:
a) reduces friction (and the related generated heat) practically to zero;
b) reduces the experimental error (due to friction and to the related generated heat) practically to zero.
8) And if the above mentioned experimental error is practically equal to zero, then this experimental error can be neglected (as it is much smaller than 1 %).
9) Alternatively you can use electrostatic levitation, rolling friction instead of sliding friction, etc. Besides modern tribology (this is the science, which focuses on sliding/friction phenomena) suggests a great variety of high-tech materials and/or lubricants' which are also able to reduce sliding friction (and the related generated heat) practically to zero.
10) In one word, you can carry out easily the above mentioned experiments in your garage or in any standard school laboratory (or by using any other simple DIY (DoItYourself) methods).
Looking forward to your comments.
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P. S. The above yellow head with the black spectacles must be read as number 8. (The system generates some permanent defect.)

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #581 on: May 12, 2021, 03:01:41 PM »
The yellow head with the black spectacles from our last post must be read as number 8. (The system generates some permanent defect.)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #582 on: May 12, 2021, 04:24:45 PM »
To  Jerry Volland.
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You are simply an absolute amateur in the field of theoretical and applied mechanics for sure. You do not actually understand what are you talking about. Firstly educate seriously yourself in the field of theoretical and applied mechanics and just then take part in this discussion. Because otherwise you resemble a clown!   

Offline Floor

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #583 on: May 13, 2021, 02:34:06 AM »
@George1

There you go abusing the members again.  Not good. Chill out.
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@Jerry Volland

Please excuse George he's a youngster.
                  but
Speaking of clowns..

Did you hear the one about the two cannibals ?

One walks up and asks the other "what's you cooking ?"

The other replies "clown"
Then passing a big spoon full,  asks " this taste funny to you ?"

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #584 on: May 14, 2021, 08:02:37 PM »

@ Jerry Volland

Nicely said / thank you !
... ... .. ...
Better late than never.

Please understand, my clown joke was in no way intended
as insult to or in regard to you.

          with respect
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