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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 139541 times)

Online Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #450 on: March 28, 2021, 07:58:45 PM »
Eh the blindness. Again

ANY UNBALANCED MASS

1. OSCILLATING WITHIN 180° OR LESS

2. OR SPINNING FULL CIRCLE WITH VARYING SPEED

CONVERTS CENTRIFUGAL FORCE INTO
LINEAR ACCELERATION OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM



Blind?  You forgot to say MOMENTARY.  Stopping cancels the increase.


Also, see my last post on the previous page.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #451 on: March 28, 2021, 08:08:28 PM »

Anything which is perpendicular to the plane of a rotational system is external to that system's rotation.

There is nothing external here. Completely sealed system can accelerate in space by simply oscillating a pendulum within 90° on the inside.

It is interacting with the spatial energy, not displacing matter or acting against "external" forces.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #452 on: March 28, 2021, 08:44:26 PM »

Blind?  You forgot to say MOMENTARY.  Stopping cancels the increase.


Also, see my last post on the previous page.

Yes, blind. I didn't forget anything.

"Stopping cancels the increase" lol.

Yea stopping the oscillation stops the acceleration, also sky is blue.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #452 on: March 28, 2021, 08:44:26 PM »
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Online Jerry Volland

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #453 on: March 28, 2021, 10:35:56 PM »
There is nothing external here. Completely sealed system can accelerate in space by simply oscillating a pendulum within 90° on the inside.

It is interacting with the spatial energy, not displacing matter or acting against "external" forces.


Don't forget that when a pendulum changes direction it's momentum doesn't just disappear - it's transferred to the overall mechanism, in the reverse direction.


Can you show that the 'force' of Inertia is related to the ZPE? 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #454 on: March 28, 2021, 11:19:40 PM »

Don't forget that when a pendulum changes direction it's momentum doesn't just disappear - it's transferred to the overall mechanism, in the reverse direction.


Can you show that the 'force' of Inertia is related to the ZPE?

Ofc it doesn't just disappear no one said nor implied that. It is key to stop it or withdraw in a way that does not produce back reaction. Stopping it at the axis produces zero back reaction as i said many times. It produces back torque which is totally different thing. And of course inertia is related to ZPE, everything springs from it.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #455 on: March 28, 2021, 11:25:37 PM »
I already linked to this but here it is again. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/antigravity-drone-lge-first-in-the-world--2?fbclid=IwAR15eef813rphbWcgTphbZw-i3X4-Vd_xCvMPI6NwFsni2Ccmf1Lv90Rjgo#/ This guy is a naval mechanical engineer and he teamed up with a friend automotive engineer and after months of testing came up with working inertial drone based on ferrofluid. It is something very similar to this patent i also already linked https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040159090
I corresponded with him over the mail several times, he is completely ignorant of the basic principle described before and thinks his drone would not work in space. They got no support at all on Indiegogo probably cause people thought it was fake. Well, it's up to you to decide if it is.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #456 on: March 29, 2021, 12:33:30 AM »
Thanks for the two links; I am aware of claims relating to fluidic thrust.  Now and in the ancient times.


It's been an interesting discussion.  I hope I contributed something of value.


I also like to make sparks.  So I'll be around.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #457 on: March 29, 2021, 12:46:54 AM »
You're welcome and no worries, i like sparks.

All skepticism goes away when you grasp the simple basic principle.

So simple, so powerful.

But after all, all inertial drives are the lowest kind of reactionless propulsion.

Stone age "antigravity". They do have a purpose still.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #458 on: March 29, 2021, 06:16:17 AM »
PS:  The term "reactionless propulsion" is a misnomer.  With Inertia, thrust IS the reaction.  It's  "propellantless propulsion".


Or "Inertial Reaction Propulsion".

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #459 on: March 29, 2021, 11:30:44 AM »
Ofc thrust is reaction, and what you say now i figured many years ago.

But at the same time it is proper to call it reactioness in a sense perfectly implied

that it does not react with outside matter or force. You like to nitpick don't you,

and yet you still don't get the basic principle.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #460 on: March 29, 2021, 03:38:39 PM »
I've been active in this field since 1965.  I've built a dozen machines which work.  I have a levitation machine which proves non stop acceleration by constantly overcoming gravity's acceleration.  (And it doesn't use your "basic principle").


One of the biggest obstacles to having this field accepted is the word 'reactionless'.  I'm not nitpicking; I'm trying to wise everyone up, so there can be productive discussion.


Scientific circles currently consider this to be Advanced Propulsion, not because some claim there is no reaction, but because there is no propellant mass.  Even if it's low tech, with gears and pulleys.


Now tell us all about the Conservation of Momentum, and display your own lack of understanding.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #461 on: March 29, 2021, 03:54:04 PM »
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I have a levitation machine

Funny. Let me guess, all cameras suddenly break when you try to film it.

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And it doesn't use your "basic principle"

All inertial propulsion devices ever built and that ever shall be built use it.

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One of the biggest obstacles to having this field accepted is the word 'reactionless'..

No it's not, everyone knows very well it just implies not reacting with outside matter or force.

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Now tell us all about the Conservation of Momentum, and display an absence of understanding.

Overall energy in creation is 0, everything is conserved. As for lack of understanding it sure abounds on your side

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #462 on: March 29, 2021, 03:54:43 PM »
https://www.google.com/search?q=jerry+volland+aetherforce&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT930PT930&ei=sNthYMGVIK-j1fAPtKuF-Ac&oq=jerry+volland+aetherforce&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6DQgAEMcBEK8BELADEA06CQgAELADEAoQHjoJCAAQsAMQDRAeUPwiWM9DYPdTaAFwAHgAgAG4AYgBqQySAQM2LjmYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjBrcmT09XvAhWvURUIHbRVAX8Q4dUDCA0


about ZPE or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullpunktsenergie


In the classical case, the state of lowest energy is that in which the particle is at rest at {\ displaystyle x = 0} x = 0, i.e. {\ displaystyle p = 0} p = 0. In quantum mechanics, however, the uncertainty relation between position and momentum prohibits both quantities from having exact values. The more precisely the location is known, the less precisely the impulse is known and vice versa. The zero point energy is clearly shown as the mean value of these fluctuations.

THE MEAN VALUE BETWEEN POSITION AND MOMENTUM

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #463 on: March 29, 2021, 04:43:48 PM »
I'm gonna share again the design i came up with, not the first who came up with it tho.

Advantage of this system is it doesn't need a ferrofluid.

There is a better way to do this with much less water in useless bottom part, but principle is the same.

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imagine a circular pipe, bottom half 4 times the diameter of the upper,

there is a pump inside the system,

in short, centrifugal force will be 4 x greater in upper part despite the

fact that volume of water is 4 times less.

this is due to venturi effect (continuity principle), water in narrower part

speeds up proportionally to how much narrower pipe is (https://youtu.be/UJ3-Zm1wbIQ?t=97 )

and centrifugal force is proportional to velocity squared.

let's say 5 liters is enclosed in the tube, since upper half is 1/4 diameter,

there are 4 liters in bottom half and 1 liter in upper half.

let's say pump is pushing bottom part water at 1m/s, this means water

in upper part moves at 4m/s.

let's say radius of the circle is 0.5m

let's calculate the centrifugal force http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/newtonian/centrifugal

for 4 liters at 1m/s force is 8N or 0.8kg.

for 1 liter at 4m/s force is 32N or 3.2kg.

or constant 2.4kg, but since only at the center force is pure y component it is 1/2 or 1.2kg average up


and

for 4 liters at 2.5m/s force is 50N or 5kg.

for 1 liter at 10m/s force is 200N or 20kg.

or constant 1/2 x 15kg = 7.5kg up

etc

of course increase of velocity means more friction and very low friction tube

must be used, like electropolished stainless steel, but principle is clear and should be tested.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #464 on: March 29, 2021, 05:32:13 PM »
You talk, I build.
Here's one of my videos:


https://youtu.be/yzaJuyPpBcs


I disclose the principle of non planer thrust, and prove that it does work.

 

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