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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 166277 times)

Offline George1

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #435 on: March 27, 2021, 12:01:19 PM »
To nix85.
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Ok. I agree. :) But what is actually your aim? To prove the concept theoretically, to prove the concept experimentally, to produce this machine on a large industrial scale? Or may be  something else? Please specify your goal, if possible.
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #436 on: March 27, 2021, 12:14:04 PM »
You love to use emojis don't you, in every single post lol.

I have no goal but to remove the veils of confusion about this simple and powerful principle which i believe has been done.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #437 on: March 27, 2021, 06:09:27 PM »

@nix85 : The Second Law of Thermodynamics:  "No collection of particals can change their overall speed or direction strictly through internal forces".


The slanted pendulum has an external force (gravity).  Where's the external force with your vibrator?



https://overunity.com/17817/is-this-a-reactionless-drive-or-a-perpetual-motion-machine/dlattach/attach/180991/image//

External? There is no such thing as external.

I described the principle in detail with given example, study it, try it.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #438 on: March 27, 2021, 11:28:22 PM »
I have no idea what you tried but you sure did not understand the principle described which works always with zero exception.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #439 on: March 28, 2021, 01:14:48 PM »
Cook claimed it worked, again irrelevant to the principle above.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #440 on: March 28, 2021, 01:39:23 PM »
"... The CIP engine is not a new energy source,but a tested and proven method of converting Coriolis and centrifugal forces into linear thrust . ...",
CIP = Cook Inertial Propulsion   http://www.rexresearch.com/cookip/cookip.htm

I studied the net-info about Cooks device in the End 90' and compared with Otto Steins "Die Zukunft der Technik"-engine !




http://www.rexresearch.com/cookip/cookip.htm#uareport

During this segment of the cycle the propellant is stopped at the expense of the forward momentum of the cart.



https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/view/20184764/otto-stein-die-zukunft-der-technik-pdf


                                       acceleration and stop -  cycle




Thrust :  weight/specific weight

Propulsion/PWM







Offline nix85

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #441 on: March 28, 2021, 03:05:27 PM »
I knew of CIP for years, here is the principle, never liked it, overly complicated and apparently not so efficient.

I do like tho how he solved the issue to change the direction the weight oscillates elegantly simply using additional rotation along it's axis. How is the weight captured by the arm not exactly sure, looks too complicated and probably wouldn't work well at higher rpm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Ri_HjLWR4

What Cook shows in this diagram is the same thing i am showing. It's always the same principle.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #443 on: March 28, 2021, 07:52:30 PM »
Eh the blindness. Again

ANY UNBALANCED MASS

1. OSCILLATING WITHIN 180° OR LESS

2. OR SPINNING FULL CIRCLE WITH VARYING SPEED

CONVERTS CENTRIFUGAL FORCE INTO
LINEAR ACCELERATION OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #444 on: March 28, 2021, 08:08:28 PM »

Anything which is perpendicular to the plane of a rotational system is external to that system's rotation.

There is nothing external here. Completely sealed system can accelerate in space by simply oscillating a pendulum within 90° on the inside.

It is interacting with the spatial energy, not displacing matter or acting against "external" forces.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #445 on: March 28, 2021, 08:44:26 PM »

Blind?  You forgot to say MOMENTARY.  Stopping cancels the increase.


Also, see my last post on the previous page.

Yes, blind. I didn't forget anything.

"Stopping cancels the increase" lol.

Yea stopping the oscillation stops the acceleration, also sky is blue.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #446 on: March 28, 2021, 11:19:40 PM »

Don't forget that when a pendulum changes direction it's momentum doesn't just disappear - it's transferred to the overall mechanism, in the reverse direction.


Can you show that the 'force' of Inertia is related to the ZPE?

Ofc it doesn't just disappear no one said nor implied that. It is key to stop it or withdraw in a way that does not produce back reaction. Stopping it at the axis produces zero back reaction as i said many times. It produces back torque which is totally different thing. And of course inertia is related to ZPE, everything springs from it.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #447 on: March 28, 2021, 11:25:37 PM »
I already linked to this but here it is again. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/antigravity-drone-lge-first-in-the-world--2?fbclid=IwAR15eef813rphbWcgTphbZw-i3X4-Vd_xCvMPI6NwFsni2Ccmf1Lv90Rjgo#/ This guy is a naval mechanical engineer and he teamed up with a friend automotive engineer and after months of testing came up with working inertial drone based on ferrofluid. It is something very similar to this patent i also already linked https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040159090
I corresponded with him over the mail several times, he is completely ignorant of the basic principle described before and thinks his drone would not work in space. They got no support at all on Indiegogo probably cause people thought it was fake. Well, it's up to you to decide if it is.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #448 on: March 29, 2021, 12:46:54 AM »
You're welcome and no worries, i like sparks.

All skepticism goes away when you grasp the simple basic principle.

So simple, so powerful.

But after all, all inertial drives are the lowest kind of reactionless propulsion.

Stone age "antigravity". They do have a purpose still.

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #449 on: March 29, 2021, 11:30:44 AM »
Ofc thrust is reaction, and what you say now i figured many years ago.

But at the same time it is proper to call it reactioness in a sense perfectly implied

that it does not react with outside matter or force. You like to nitpick don't you,

and yet you still don't get the basic principle.