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Author Topic: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?  (Read 2309 times)

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2018, 12:23:21 PM »
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2018, 06:45:00 PM »
To F6FLT and to Low-Q.
Are you really ignorant or you only imitate ignorance because of the money you receive from the BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations?
Yes I get $50.000 every month from "BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations" to animate social networks. ::)  ;D ;D ;D

Irony aside, after having learned elementary physics, you should also learn the ad hominem fallacy of "Guilt by association" in order to improve your mastery of logic and rethoric and to be less insulting in the future.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2018, 04:25:42 PM »
To F6FLT.
Please excuse me if I have insulted you. You are free to have your own opinion and protect it. I do not mind if you consider the above Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive as a joke. Then please have fun and be happy! It's OK! 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2018, 04:26:31 PM »
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2018, 06:26:55 PM »
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2018, 12:56:29 PM »
To F6FLT and to Low-Q.
Are you really ignorant or you only imitate ignorance because of the money you receive from the BIG OIL and/or from similar organizations? Most likely the second one is true.
This has nothing to do with Big Oil. Oil is Big because over unity doesn't work. Claiming that Big Oil is in the way, is just a conspiracy theory that is constructed by ignorant minds.
Science is all about numbers. If the numbers doesn't add up, you have a problem that can't be solved. Easy as that.
However, in spite of this, even myself have spent lots of time trying to crack the over unity code. Sleepless nights, convinced that I have figured it out, but then the day after I realize I made a mistake in the calculations, or methods that are used to determine how things work.


Working with OU is an extremely hard task to manage fully - just because, in the end of the day, the numbers doesn't add up, EVERY TIME. Frustrating, but true.
I'm not saying that all those experiments and simulations are a waste of time. While walking that steep uphill path, you learn more and more - learning the hard way, by doing errors. You learn what mistakes you did, and then avoid those in later experiments and simulations. Unfortunatly for someone, the broken record plays the same track over and over. Makes the same mistakes over and over.
Just a fool repeats experiments that fail. You must think new every time, even if you don't have any good ideas left - then try the bad ideas untill you come up with something promising.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2018, 01:02:57 PM »
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?
I have noe clue about these simulators, but what I assume, is that those computer models use calculus to determine the outcome.
As long that calculator correctly states that 1+1=2, I cannot guarantee that you some day will be able to simulate a mechanical system that delivers over unity.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2018, 11:45:17 AM »
To Low-Q
Hi Vidar,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
1) Well, there are three possibilities -- the described above Baron Munchausen's reactionless drive either (a) breaks only the law of conservation of linear momentum or (b) breaks only the law of conservation of mechanical energy or (c) breaks simultaneously both the law of conservation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy.
2) The violation of the law of conservation of linear momentum automatically leads to a comparatively simple mechanical reactionless drive machine, which (PLEASE NOTE!) has nothing to do with literally lifting yourself into the air by pulling your own hair -- only the ultimate effect would be the same 
2) You wrote that you have spent lots of time trying to crack the over unity code. In such a case let us work together and not compete. Let us find together an expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems and processes. (You and I are not experts in this field for sure.) 

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 12:41:45 AM »
Well, George, I'm not actually competing. I just find such claims a little odd - the logic doesn't add quite up. By reactionless, I understand a force that does not need a reference. Say that you help a driver with his car by pushing it out of from a pile of snow. By "magic" you do not spend a calorie, but the car is still pushed away from the pile.
Then you realize that the car was hooked up on a tractor. The mistake was that you didn't noticed the tractor.


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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 12:41:45 AM »
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2018, 12:45:44 PM »
To Low-Q.
Hi Vidar.
Thanks a lot for your reply. And here is my answer.
1) Actually I did not understand what exactly are you talking about in your last message. May be this is due to my insufficient qualification. But let us try another simple approach.
2) Assume that the black component is either fixed to the ground or its mass is much bigger than the mass of the blue component. Then after covering a certain number of zigzags the blue component will stop WITHOUT HEAT GENERATION as friction is zero (or small enough for the related experimental error to be neglected). This corresponds to the second experiment.
3) Let us now replace the black component zigzag sector with a straight-line sector which is rough enough and long enough. Then after covering a certain suitable length/part of the straight-line rough sector the blue component will also stop but this time WITH HEAT GENERATION. This corresponds to the first experiment.
4) If in items 2 and 3 the black component is either not fixed to the ground or its mass is not much bigger but comparable with the mass of the blue component, then in both cases after covering a certain number of zigzags (experiment 2) and after covering a certain length of the rough straight-line sector (experiment 1) the blue and black components will form together one united whole which will move with one and same final velocity. But in one case (corresponding to experiment 2) THERE IS NO HEAT GENERATION and in the other case (corresponding to experiment 1) THERE IS HEAT GENERATION. This enevitably leads to the conclusion that may be both the law of conseravation of linear momentum and the law of conservation of mechanical energy are not correct simultaneously to some extent. And there is now only one step to designing and manufacturing a reactionless derive. (Let us call it for fun a "Baron Munchausen reactionless drive".)
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It's simple, isn't it?
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards,
George     

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2018, 12:58:56 PM »

Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #26 on: Today at 09:19:13 AM »
And here is one even more understandable variation of the considerations related to the links  https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/pages_01-12.pdf and https://mypicxbg.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/figs01-08.pdf.
1) Let us assume that the mass of the black component is m and the mass of the blue component is m too. The initial velocity of the blue component is Vo and its linear momentum is mVo respectively.
2) Let us consider only the zigzag experiment 2.
3) Firstly, let us consider what would happen if the zigzag channels are rough and there is friction. And secondly, let us consider what will happen if the zigzag channels are smooth and there is no friction.
4) The question is how many zigzags have to be covered by the blue component for both the black component and the blue component to form one united whole whose mass is 2m and whose velocity is Vo/2, and whose linear momentum is exactly (2m)(Vo/2).
5) The answer is surprisingly simple -- simple formulas and calculations have to be used only.
5A) For the first case -- rough zigzag channels. The blue component has to cover 5 zigzags for both the black component and the blue component to form one united whole whose mass is 2m and whose velocity is Vo/2, and whose linear momentum is (2m)(Vo/2) respectively. In this first case HEAT IS GENERATED.
5B) For the second case -- smooth zigzag channels. The same final results with the only difference that (1) the blue component has to cover 11 zigzags and (2) HEAT IS NOT GENERATED.
6) We chose a sine wave shape of the zigzag channels. But one can use any other zigzag-shaped curve.
7) For the calculations we used the following initial data.
7A) Force of friction = 1N (initial value); force of friction gradually decreases because it depends on the normal force (normal to the sine wave curve) which also decreases while the blue component moves in relation to the black component.   
7B) Coefficient of sliding friction = 0.5 = const.; it does not change while the blue component moves in relation to the black component.
7C) Sine wave maximum amplitude = 0.2 m.
7D) Vo = 1 m/s.
7E) m = 1 kg.
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How to explain the situation in a simpler manner?
IT IS EVIDENT that there is only one step from the above considerations to the designing and manufacturing of a comparatively simple  ENTIRELY mechanical reactionless drive machine.
Looking forward to the answers of all sceptics :) (who we actually consider as friends, associates and colleagues).
Regards,
George

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Re: IS THIS A REACTIONLESS DRIVE OR A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE?
« Reply #27 on: Today at 09:42:25 AM »
Any member of this forum who is a top expert in computer simulation of mechanical systems? As they do it in NASA and in Formula 1?

 

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