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Title: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Floor on May 26, 2018, 08:40:23 PM
There are only drawings. 

I have not done any builds or testing of the mechanical inout to electric output.

However, I can demonstrate that there is little (magnetically caused) mechanical load
on the device when there is no load upon the electic output.

please find the attached file "ElectricMethod 3.pdf"  below.

                 floor
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Floor on May 28, 2018, 12:32:08 AM
Here is an upated / new design.

"ElectricFlow ver. 3.png

       
                        floor
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: hartiberlin on May 28, 2018, 01:01:32 AM
Should it selfstart to rotate or why should it rotate ?
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: hartiberlin on May 28, 2018, 01:15:15 AM
Should it selfstart to rotate or why should it rotate ?
Sorry hadn´t read the PDF file...well it depends when you are rotating that and draw current from the induction, how thecurrent will break or help the rotation... Normally you have lenz law, which will break or drag the rotation down...Can you violate Lentz law with it ?
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Floor on May 28, 2018, 04:47:54 AM
Quote "Can you violate Lentz law with it ?" End quote  from Hartiberlin

Thats the $64 question, but I don't have that answer.

   PS
   pages 15 -17 of the pdf file are I think a flawed / incomplete design.

       regards
              floor
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Floor on May 31, 2018, 11:49:25 AM
some drawings redone / modified

   floor
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Low-Q on May 31, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
There are only drawings. 

I have not done any builds or testing of the mechanical inout to electric output.

However, I can demonstrate that there is little (magnetically caused) mechanical load
on the device when there is no load upon the electic output.

please find the attached file "ElectricMethod 3.pdf"  below.

                 floor
Thanks for a nice and well done description of your idea. 10 points for that one!


The general answer to the question wether it works or not, boils down to how the coils are loaded.
A loaded coil resist magnetic change. Well known issue in generators.
Wether the coils is winded around magnets or a simple iron bar, does not change the preconditions on how the loaded coil respond to the changing magnetic field. The magnets you wind up the magnetic wire on, will only cause a magnetic bias which will cause the output signal to be distorted. This happens because the permanent magnet core is already magnetized, and adding more magnetism, as when the rotor magnet points its south to the stators north at 0°, it will most probably not increase the magnetic field through the coil as much as when you use an iron bar. Because the point of magnetic saturation in the magnets are almost already reached at 0°.
On the contrary, when the magnets are in repulsion mode (after 180 ° rotation) you weaken the magnetic field with greater amplitude than the increased magnetic field at 0°.


So the output signal will not have an equal curve on the positive and negative amplitude. The coil, however, will resist rotation more around 180° area than around 0° area. The total drag will therfor correspond perfectly to the output load.


Br. Vidar
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Floor on June 01, 2018, 10:09:33 PM
Hi Vidar

There is a changing magnetic field near a conductor, there fore a current flows through the conductor.

Initiate and / or expand the magnetic field and the current begins or increases and flows one direction.

Remove and / or shrink the field and the electric current flow decreases then flows in the direction opposite
to its original direction.

Expansion and contraction of the magnetic fields in these designs is in sync with magnet to
magnet proximity ... approach / retreat. 

There is never an instantaneous shutting off or turning on of the magnetic fields or currents.
There is no "fly back" from a near instantaneous field collapse .  But Lentz law is still applies.

   P.S.     two revised drawings below

regards
                         floor
Title: Re: Permanent magnets and coils electricity generation design
Post by: Floor on January 15, 2020, 10:11:19 PM
Notes ....

Lenz law

not just magnetic attraction and magnetic repulsion balancing  during the rotation.
...................................
the magnitude of an induced voltage is (in part), dependent upon a magnetic fields speed of motion,
                          and / or
a fields speed of expansion or collapse while passing through a conductor, is it not ?
..................................
inductive "kick back" of one coil, fed to the start up inductance of the other coil ?
but are the voltage PEAKS in sink or are they 180 out ? or what ?
....................................
one field through a coil needs to be collapsing, while another field though an other coil  is expanding ?
                                                             OR ?
not just series electric polarity, but a COLLAPSING magnetic field, induced electric voltage polarity, connected in series (+ to -), to (an EXPANDING ?) magnetic field, induced electric voltage polarity ?
                                              OR SHOULD IT BE
not just series electric polarity, but a COLLAPSING magnetic field, induced electric voltage polarity, connected in series (+ to -), to (a COLLAPSING ?) magnetic field, induced electric voltage polarity ?

inductive kick back of one coil, fed to the start up inductance of the other coil ?
should not, the voltages PEAKS (ALTHOUGH STILL + TO -) of those two coils,
be made to be in sink ? and not 180 out (as are the voltage polarities) or what ?
 
Note ....  there is no sudden disconnect of the electric currents generated in these rotating designs
nor an abrupt break away of the magnetic fields from the coils.  No extremely rapid collapse
of the magnetic field, for example... as there would be during a complete disconnect of a
power supply from a coil that it was supplying.

can there be a neutralization of Lenz actions by the creation of a balance between Lenz
actions ?

   just pondering .....  NOT LOOKING FOR "PAT ANSWERS" unless, you personally, have
already demonstrated a way to make further advantage of the Frodrik Lenz law.  Just pondering.

Please look at these magnet set interactions attached below as "Force balancing demo"
drawings /JPGs  numbers 1 through 4.


                     floor