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Title: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 26, 2018, 07:48:55 PM
From now on I will post here  if needed.
My posts will not be frequent.
This is more of storage box.

С этого момента я буду публиковать здесь, если необходимо
Мои посты не будут часты.
Это - коробка хранения.

Od dzisiaj bede publikowal tutaj.
to jest raczej moje publiczne miejsce w ktorym  moge zapisac swoje informacje dostepne dla innych.



Author rights:
You may assume that I'm   in possession of intellectual property that does not belong to me.
this information was shared with me based on simple rules of trust.
During  many years I was  asked to visit  and/or talk to many of leading researchers.
Everything that I post  is free to copy, free to re-post and free to use.

Права автора: Вы можете предположить, что я обладаю интеллектуальной собственностью, которая не принадлежит мне.
эта информация была предоставлена ​​мне на основе простых правил доверия.
В течение многих лет меня просили посетить и / или поговорить со многими ведущими исследователями.
Все, что я публикую, можно свободно копировать, бесплатно переписывать и бесплатно использовать.
 
Prawa  autorskie: wszystko jest  za darmo i w wolnym dostepie mozna kopiowac .
Jakkolwiek informacja nie  bedzie pelna a to  dlatego ze  czesc tej wiedzy  nie nalezy do mnie i zostala mi przekazana na zasadzie zaufania.
W przeciagu wielu lat odwiedzilem wielu glownych  eksperymentatorow i czesc z nich nie zyczy sobie  publikacji.
To co mi wolno to i opublikuje.







My dedication;
is to  explain phenomena with FE devices to the extend of no conflict of interest with others.
My goal is to understand  physical phenomena  responsible for such energy  transfer.
Free Energy  is just energy that is free from  taxes and fees but laws of physics must apply.

Моя преданность; — чтобы объяснить явления  устройств FE (CE)\
в условиях отсутствия конфликта интересов с другими.
Моя цель - понять физические явления, ответственные за такую ​​передачу энергии.
Свободная энергия - это просто энергия, свободная от налогов и сборов, но законы физики должны применяться.

Pragne  objasnic ile moge czasem w nie do konca prostej do przyswojenia formie. ( fizyka i jej zaleznosci)
Wolna energia  WE albo FE to jest energia wolna od  podatkow i oplat ale musi podlegac  prawom fizyki


Data:
Will not be complete in clear to  replicate form,  if  conditions of ownership  of such intellectual  property  will conflict with exposure of such data.
Данные: не будут полными и удовлетворят вас, если условия такой интеллектуальной собственности будут конфликтовать с воздействием таких данных.

Links to my new videos:
Will be posted here and on  Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY (https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg521712/#new) topic if  that fine group of people there  will  agree.

My worries:
Despite the fact of FE being in question to many, I would like  you to have it in your possession.
I also understand that  if such technology will become widely available , it will cause , world  collapse - as it exists in  its present form.
Easiness of life  can lead to quick overpopulation and  shortage of resources to support human life expansion.
My hope is that it will end  wars and military conflicts.

Мое беспокойство, несмотря на факт that  FE,- вопрос для многих,  я хотел бы, чтобы Вы имели это в вашем владении.
Я также понимаю что, если такая технология станет широко доступной, это вызовет, мировой крах
Легкость жизни может привести к быстрой перенаселенности и нехватке ресурсов, чтобы поддержать расширение человеческой жизни.
Моя надежда - то, что это закончит военные конфликты.

I'm American not Russian and I have no Russian ancestors
Я американец не русский, и у меня нет русских предков

Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 26, 2018, 07:57:15 PM
 

Conversation of Wesley  with   Чеширский Кот https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s)
Please note that larger part of such conversation is not related to this subject
and  there are few   separate  conversations  taking place there.
find the right  one.
 
Wesley says :
Легкий ответ:
плотность электронного потока в проводнике: электроны разных типов атомов имеют разную степень свободы для перемещения.
С некоторыми типами материалов, такими как металлы, самые внешние электроны в атомах настолько слабо связаны,
что они хаотично движутся в пространстве между атомами   влиянием   изменения температуры в комнате так что нет необходимости  электрического тока в проводнике.
Поскольку эти практически несвязанные электроны свободны оставлять свои соответствующие атомы и плавать
вокруг в пространстве между соседними атомами, их часто называют свободными электронами.
В других типах материалов, таких как стекло, электроны атомов имеют очень мало свободы передвижения.
- изоляционный материал (фольга) действует как среда увеличения плотности электронов)
Если мы хотим, чтобы электроны протекали в определенном направлении в определенном месте,
мы должны обеспечить правильный путь для их перемещения, точно так же, как водопроводчик должен
установить трубопровод, чтобы вода текла, где он или она хочет, чтобы он текла.
электроны могут свободно перемещаться в проводнике.
Они имеют скорость дрейфа 1 см / с, но когда мы видим какой-либо проводник (например, антенну), электрон
фактически не движется по всей длине проводника, он просто вибрирует вокруг своего среднего положения, и его энергия исходит вперед.
============================================
Фактическая скорость дрейфа во многом зависит от геометрии проводника, величины протекающего тока
и плотности подвижных носителей заряда (скорость дрейфа пропорциональна току и обратно пропорциональна
площади поперечного сечения и плотности аряда мобильных носителей). 50 гц,  в России,
электроны не дрейфуют очень далеко.
Большое количество электронов коллективно сдвигают свои позиции....немного, но  ток но может быть весьма высоким
===============================================
Сигналы:
распространяются вдоль проводов на очень высоких скоростях.
Если провод отлично ведет, то скорость распространения сигнала зависит от изоляционного материала вокруг провода.
Это связано с тем, что передача энергии фактически находится в электрическом и магнитном полях.
Вектор Пойнтинга является E поперечным B и пропорционален потоку энергии на единицу площади за единицу времени,
и поскольку электрическое поле обращается в нуль внутри проводника, никакая энергия не течет внутри проводника (!),
олько снаружи, в непосредственной близости.
Скорость распространения сигналов тогда зависит от диэлектрических свойств изоляции, и обычно
- приблизительно 70 % скорости света.
Электроны только текут в проводнике, чтобы удовлетворить условиям электрического и магнитных полей,
повинующихся уравнениям Максвелла на поверхности проводника.
===========================================================
О переменном токе - среднее значение AC тока в цепи должно быть нулевым 
(если не существует некоторое смещение DC)  ток течет назад и вперед постоянно, 
 ========================================
Оппозицию текущему потоку через Конденсатор переменного тока называют Емкостным Реактансом 
который непосредственно является обратно  пропорциональным частоте 'поставки'  питания
Этот фактор непосредственно отвечает за хранение энергии и плотности электронов в проводнике.
поэтому чем больше диаметр проводника, тем выше его способность к временному хранению энергии
Tаким образом это не действительно диаметр, который является важным,  но размер поверхности того проводника.
Он может быть пористым или деформированным.
=======================================================
сбор временного заряда может быть сделан в любой частоте (например частот спектра разрядника,)
но энергия   подается дальше  дальше на резонoй частотe эквивалента LC-схемы этой катушки.
лучшие сигналы для этого - узкие но короткие прямоугольные импульсы HV один из наиболее известных методов
состоит из двух генераторов. О
Oдин генератор дает синусоидальный сигнал на частоте 5-20 кГц, а второй генератор изменяет модулирование синусоида
с узким высоким уровнем девиативного положения
-или лучше сказать положения на этом синусоидальном сигнале (лучшая позиция составляет 5 градусов
после максимального положениa положительного синусоида)
Катушка Капанадзе в аквариуме #1 была сделана из широкой медной фольги, чтобы увеличить ее поверхность.
Если Вы хотите иметь более короткую длину катушки,
Однако две медные фольги,  изолированные фольгой, значительно усиливают емкостное сопротивление эти два или
три или любое их количество - медная фольга должна быть подключена очень точно.
Если вы соединяете последние два конца этой фольги вместе, вы  вынули/вывезли  реактивные компоненты импеданса  в ноль.
Bы не хотите, чтобы это произошло.(бифилярная форма связи).
Поэтому все передние концы должны быть соединены вместе и иметь фольгу между.
Но только один конец должен использоваться с противоположного конца
===============================================
чтобы лучше понять это: - возьмите 10 тонких медных полосок  copper фольги ширина 5 см - возьмите 10 тонких полосок фольги шириной 5 см
Если вы используете высокое напряжение для импульсов, чем изолирующая пленка должна быть более широкой 5см+1 см ~/= 6см
- уложите их один поверх другого.
-Вы можете свернуть их как конденсатор
-  передний конец (все изолированные между медные полоски) припоят вместе.
-  с  другой стороны (10  полос медной фольги) только один  конец использовать длину такого сандвича может быть, например, 10 м
но когда он свернут в цилиндер, он занимает небольшое пространство
Частота резонанса такого конденсатора катушки зависит от его емкостных и индуктивных реактансов.

Quick Translation :
to get a better understanding of this - take 10 thin  copper foil strips 5 cm wide
- take 10 thin strips of foil 5 cm wide
If you use high voltage for pulses than the insulating film should be wider 5cm+1cm ~ / 6cm
- stack them one on top of the other .
-You can roll them up as a condenser
- the front end (all insulated between copper strips) is soldered together but only from one side. That increases  surface of such structure adding to it capacitive reactance.
On the other end  of (10 strips of copper foil), you  only use one end  out of 10.
ther rest 9 ends must be not connected.
to better use the length of such a sandwich  you can:
roll in  all  of them into a  form of cylindrical structure.
Such structure   occupies  small space.
The frequency of resonance of such a coil capacitor depends on its capacitive and inductive reactances.
Spark gap  bandwidth is from single Hz to 1GHz   with one  but significant  High amplitude region.
Collecting energy by such coil capacitor  is taking advantage  of all of that  spark gap spectrum components. 
But  output of coil capacitor (  the far end  of  just  one  of  the 10 single copper strips)  does it  at resonance frequency of such coil capacitor.
 IF you have noticed  Tariel in TENT SHOW used humongous coils  ( not  Grenade) but strange it was to see big bank of AC capacitors next to it) !!!!
I assume but I'm not sure that these capacitors have been slightly modified to to form  described by me here.   
If not  than please take model number  from  TENT PRESENTATION  of such capacitors and you maybe able to find drawings of its internal structure
At the right frequency of  stimulating impulses you  will be able to trigger   interaction of coil #11 ( or otherwise  coil that is connected to the ground with diode)       
look below for instructions.
Note:
by that we may also understand that  use of foil can be replaced by use of capacitors.

How to make electrostatic pump:

          Вы также можете добавить еще одну медную фольгу номер 11 вместе с другими 10 (медной фольгой). 
Этa Медная фольга вообще не подключена другим.
Tеперь соедините эту медную фольгу с заземляющим проводом используя диод между грунтом и фольгой.
Поляризация диода должна быть в ее проводящем направлении от земли до медной фольги.
Вы сделали теперь электростатический насос.
И это - 90 % успеха вашего СE.  (закрутите винтoм орехи  царя)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s)

Quick Translation :
You can also add another copper foil number 11 along with the other 10 copper foils.
This copper foil is not connected at all to  set of others 10 foils.
but this strip is winded along with  other 10  copper foil strips insulated in between .
Again please understand that  even if these 10 strips are connected  together from one side ,their surface   is 10 times bigger than  single copper strip.
that  work at significantly lower frequencies .
this concept is taken from Tariel Kapanadze  aquarium #1 ( the red coil cpacitor with shiny something in the middle).
You can see from the picture that he soldered all of copper  strips in the middle
and than winded all together.
Than only one from strips was used from outside
I hope you can understand it .

And now connect this copper foil #11 with the ground wire using a diode in between
( using a diode between the ground and the foil #11.)
Polarization of the diode must be in its conducting direction from the ground to the copper foil.
You have now made an electrostatic pump.
And this is 90% success of your FE. ((tighten the screw around the Russian  king's nuts))


It is to much to translate. Try to use  translator  I  hope it will come somehow    logical.
This is due to me being allowed now to go that far  with sharing of information that is in my possession.

-Please  understand that number of strips is not critical.
- It is  just one of solutions of Tariel.
- electrostatic pump is my  own  way to explain  processes
Tariel was able to intuitively   by errors and trials to understand how it works.
Tariel is not  so advanced to be able to  explain why it is  happening. He only knows how  to make it.
Later modifications especially by SR193 have been using slightly  different approach.

Grenade coil  serves partially  similar function using canceling  of reactances in 3D geometrical space of  adjacent coils
It is not only one way to get results .
That is why  I concentrated myself on understanding phenomena .
Honestly ....

Wesley


PS;
1. this schematic of the pump is not mine  and it  applies to electrical equivalent  of water  pump but this is  absolutely  the concept of  electrostatic pump. ( search Free Energy Well Pump to find it  - it is on web side not on video )
2.  kapanadze coil capacitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3S4R_wycU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3S4R_wycU)
3. kapanadze coil capacitor  https://youtu.be/0Z3S4R_wycU?t=597 (https://youtu.be/0Z3S4R_wycU?t=597)
 Please note that frequency of spark gap is very low ~ 20Hz
4. Kapanadze Tent presentation - bank of  capacitors serving as part of coil capacitor  circuitry If you interested than please find model number and internal structure of it
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 26, 2018, 08:01:58 PM
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« Reply #19885 on: Today at 04:26:04 PM »
 Arunas may the ask You for help with the Translation as with the a well:

the Conversation of by Wesley with the Cheshire Cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s)
Please note Note That larger part of such conversation is not related to the this are subject
and there are few separate conversations.
find the right one.
 
Wesley says:
Easy answer: the
density of the electron beam in the conductor: electrons of different types of atoms have different degrees of freedom to move.
With some types of materials, such as metals, the outermost electrons in atoms are so loosely related,
that they randomly move in the space between atoms the effect of temperature changes in the room so that there is no need for an electric current in the conductor.
Since these practically unconnected electrons are free to leave their respective atoms and float
around in the space between neighboring atoms, they are often called free electrons.
In other types of materials, such as glass, the electrons of atoms have very little freedom of movement.
- the insulating material (foil) acts as a medium for increasing the electron density)
If we want the electrons to flow in a certain direction in a certain place,
we must provide the correct way for them to move, just like a plumber must
install a pipeline so that water flows where he or she wants it to flow.
electrons can move freely in the conductor.
They have a drift speed of 1 cm / s, but when we see a conductor (for example, an antenna), the electron
does not actually move along the entire length of the conductor, it just vibrates around its middle position, and its energy comes forward.
============================================ The
actual drift velocity is highly dependent from the geometry of the conductor, the magnitude of the current flowing
and the density of the mobile charge carriers (the drift velocity is proportional to the current and inversely proportional to
the cross-sectional area and the mobile carrier density). 50 Hz, in Russia,
electrons do not drift very far.
A large number of electrons collectively shift their positions .... a little, but the current but can be very high
============================== =================
Signals:
propagate along the wires at very high speeds.
If the lead is excellent, the signal propagation speed depends on the insulating material around the wire.
This is due to the fact that the energy transfer is actually in the electric and magnetic fields.
The Poynting vector is E transverse B and is proportional to the energy flux per unit area per unit time,
and since the electric field vanishes inside the conductor, no energy flows inside the conductor (!),
Only from the outside, in close proximity.
The propagation velocity of the signals then depends on the dielectric properties of the insulation, and usually
about 70% of the speed of light.
The electrons only flow in the conductor to satisfy the conditions of the electric and magnetic fields
obeying the Maxwell equations on the conductor surface.
================================================== =========
About alternating current - the average AC value of the current in the circuit must be zero 
(if there is no DC offset), the current flows back and forth continuously, 
 ============= ===========================
The opposition to the current flow through the AC Condenser is called the Capacitive Reactance 
which itself is inversely proportional to the 'supply' frequency of the supply
This factor is directly responsible for storing the energy and density of electrons in the conductor.
so the larger the diameter of the conductor, the higher its ability to temporarily store energy
. So this is not really a diameter that is important, but the surface size of that conductor.
It can be porous or deformed.
================================================== ===== The
collection of the time charge can be made at any frequency (for example, the frequencies of the arrester spectrum,),
but the energy is fed further on at the resonant frequency of the equivalent of the LC circuit of this coil.
The best signals for this are narrow but short rectangular HV pulses. One of the best known methods
consists of two generators. ABOUT
One generator produces a sinusoidal signal at a frequency of 5-20 kHz, and the second oscillator modulates the sinusoid modulation
with a narrow high level of the deviative position-
or better say the positions on this sinusoidal signal (the best position is 5 degrees
after the maximum position of the positive sine wave)
Kapanadze's reel in the aquarium # 1 was made of a wide copper foil to increase its surface.
If you want to have a shorter coil length,
However, two copper foils, insulated with foil, greatly enhance the capacitive resistance of these two or
three or any number of them - the copper foil must be connected very accurately.
If you connect the last two ends of this foil together, you removed / removed the reactive impedance components to zero.
You do not want this to happen. (Bifilar form of communication).
Therefore, all the front ends must be connected together and have a foil in between.
But only one end should be used from the opposite end
========================================= ======
to better understand this: - Take 10 thin copper strips of copper foil 5 cm wide - take 10 thin strips of foil 5 cm wide
If you use high voltage for pulses than the insulating film should be wider 5cm + 1cm ~ / = 6cm
- stack them one on top of the other.
-You can roll them up like a capacitor
- Front end (all insulated between copper strips) are soldered together.
- the other part (10 strips of copper foil), only one end of the length of use of the sandwich can be, for example, 10 m
but when it is rolled into Cylinders, it occupies little space
resonance frequency of such a condenser coil depends on its capacitance and inductive reactance.

Quick the Translation:
to the get a better Understanding of the this - take 10 thin copper foil strips 5 cm wide
- take 10 thin strips of foil 5 cm wide
the If you use high voltage for Pulses than the insulating film Should the BE Wider 5cm + 1cm ~ / 6cm
- stack them one on top of the other.
-You can roll them up as a condenser
- the front end (all insulated between copper strips) is soldered together but only from one side. That increases  surface of such structure adding to it capacitive reactance.
On the other end  of (10 strips of copper foil), you  only use one end  out of 10.
ther rest 9 ends must be not connected.
to better use the length of such a sandwich  you can:
roll in  all  of them into a  form of cylindrical structure.
Such structure   occupies  small space.
The frequency of resonance of such a coil capacitor depends on its capacitive and inductive reactances.
Spark gap  bandwidth is from single Hz to 1GHz   with one  but significant  High amplitude region.
Collecting energy by such coil capacitor  is taking advantage  of all of that  spark gap spectrum components. 
But  output of coil capacitor (  the far end  of  just  one  of  the 10 single copper strips)  does it  at resonance frequency of such coil capacitor.
 IF you have noticed  Tariel in TENT SHOW used humongous coils  ( not  Grenade) but strange it was to see big bank of AC capacitors next to it) !!!!
I assume but I'm not sure that these capacitors have been slightly modified to to form  described by me here.   
If not  than please take model number  from  TENT PRESENTATION  of such capacitors and you maybe able to find drawings of its internal structure
At the right frequency of stimulating impulses, you will be able to get the trigger of coil # 11 (or otherwise coil that is connected to the ground with diode)       
look below for instructions.
Note:
by that we may also understand that use of capacitors.

How to make electrostatic pump:

          You can also add another copper foil number 11 along with the other 10 (copper foil). 
This copper foil is not connected at all to another.
Now connect this copper foil to the ground wire using a diode between the ground and the foil.
Polarization of the diode must be in its conducting direction from the ground to the copper foil.
You have now made an electrostatic pump.
И это - 90 % успеха вашего СE.  (закрутите винтoм орехи  царя)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9foRzZEZRo&t=613s)

Quick Translation :
You can also add another copper foil number 11 along with the other 10 copper foils.
This copper foil is not connected at all to  set of others 10 foils.
but this strip is winded along with  other 10  copper foil strips insulated in between .
Again please understand that  even if these 10 strips are connected  together from one side ,their surface   is 10 times bigger than  single copper strip.
that  work at significantly lower frequencies .
this concept is taken from Tariel Kapanadze  aquarium #1 ( the red coil cpacitor with shiny something in the middle).
You can see from the picture that he soldered all of copper  strips in the middle
and than winded all together.
Than only one from strips was used from outside
I hope you can understand it .
And now connect this copper foil #11 with the ground wire using a diode in between
( using a diode between the ground and the foil #11.)
Polarization of the diode must be in its conducting direction from the ground to the copper foil.
You have now made an electrostatic pump.
And this is 90% success of your FE. ((tighten the screw around the Russian  king's nuts))


It is to much to translate. Try to use  translator  I  hope it will come somehow    logical.
This is due to me being allowed now to go that far  with sharing of information that is in my possession.

-Please  understand that number of strips is not critical.
- It is  just one of solutions of Tariel.
- electrostatic pump is my  own  way to explain  processes
Tariel was able to intuitively   by errors and trials to understand how it works.
Tariel is not  so advanced to be able to  explain why it is  happening. He only knows how  to make it.
Later modifications especially by SR193 have been using slightly  different approach.

Grenade coil  serves partially  similar function using canceling  of reactances in 3D geometrical space of  adjacent coils
It is not only one way to get results .
That is why  I concentrated myself on understanding phenomena .
Honestly ....

Wesley


PS;
1. this schematic of the pump is not mine  and it  applies to electrical equivalent  of water  pump but this is  absolutely  the concept of  electrostatic pump. ( search Free Energy Well Pump to find it  - it is on web side not on video )
2.  kapanadze coil capacitor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3S4R_wycU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z3S4R_wycU)
3. kapanadze coil capacitor  https://youtu.be/0Z3S4R_wycU?t=597 (https://youtu.be/0Z3S4R_wycU?t=597)
 Please note that frequency of spark gap is very low ~ 20Hz
4. Kapanadze Tent presentation - bank of  capacitors serving as part of coil capacitor  circuitry  Please find model number and internal structure of it
 I did my part you do yours
 
  well pump- electrostatic pump.jpg (67.23 kB, 376x320 - viewed 28 times.)
 
  kapanadze coil capacitor.jpg (32.06 kB, 296x250 - viewed 24 times.)
 
  kapanadze coil capacitor1.jpg (217.35 kB, 897x601 - viewed 23 times.)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 26, 2018, 08:05:01 PM
Part#2
 In Tent Demonstration Tariel used   3 phase motor as generator.
There is nothing connected to it.
But it has blue tag for Tariel to be able visually watch frequency of rotation.
Each of phases delivers impulse to just one  set of big coils.
But you may very well use 1 phase  motor as well.
If  powering motor impulses   contains bigger intervals  in between impulses that motor being in free motion now due to its  rotor moving against stator  acts as generator.
Produced impulses are of oposite polarity   when compared to impulses delivered to the motor.
By that simple diode may recognize them as outgoing impulses.
======================================
 But this  is not the most important.
Tariel used  these phenomena to experiment with different generators

-in TENT presentation that was a motor. where each of the windings  of that motor  was dedicated to power one set of big coils.
- in glass table there was 3 motors each one dedicated to one phase only.
- in presentation to me he used  spark train generator used in gas  hot water heater ( NORMALLY APPLIED TO LIGHT UP THE FLAME)
- in Green box we have spark gap producing wide spectrum of frequencies.. but we can not se much  . It is possible that green box was not entirely made with metal allowing coil capacitor inside to interact.
- In aquarium #1 we see clearly presence of coil capacitor and low frequency spark gap
 So spark gap is part of generator frequency adjustment.
 That presence of short sparks but with long silence between them   is indication of the same what I described about motor in Tent Presentation.

 Wesley

PS: the generator is acting as a pump Push Pull.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 26, 2018, 08:10:05 PM
I will not be able to respond to all of your questions.
this is more like storage box
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: d3x0r on May 27, 2018, 03:33:03 AM
Hi :)
I know this is a little out of your wheelhouse - so to speak... but was wondering what you thought of this idea...
(PDF attached of patent, next message has links to patents on web)
https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg521687/#msg521687


Unfortunately the original videos are no longer available.... The difference between patent and Pierre's device is DZ Generator uses manual switching instead of external phases...



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 05:14:52 AM
Quote
0006. In present electric generators a small amount of energy normally less than 1% of the outgoing power in big generators is used to excite the mechanically rotated electromagnetic poles that will induce voltages and currents in conductors having a relative speed of movement between them and polar masses.

Quotes:  from Patent application:
0007. The rest of the energy used in the process of obtaining electricity is needed to move the masses and to overcome the losses of the system: mechanical losses, friction losses, airgap losses, hysteresis losses, all of which in conjunction, are responsible for the excess in power input (mechanical power) required to generate always smaller amount of electrical power.

0009. In the continues electrical generator there is no mechanical losses friction losses brushes losses windinage losses: Armature reaction losses, or air gap losses, because there is not any movement of any kind. There are:
synchronous reactance losses, eddy current losses, and hysteresis losses, which are inherent to the design, construction and the materials of the generator, but in the same extend us in common generators
So here we have few quotes from PDF patent application as of September 11, 2003 publication number US2003/0168921 A1 by Molina Martinez.
In other words we dealing with stationary arrangement of physical motion and no rotation.

Quote
0010
1% or less of total energy produced by present electric generators, goes to create their own magnetic field, a mechanical energy that exceeds the total output of present generators is used to make them rotate into process of extracting electrical currents from them.
In the continuous electrical generator there is no need for movement since, the field is in fact already rotating electromagnetically, so all of that mechanical energy will not be needed, under similar conditions of exciting currents, core mass, and windings design,
the continues electrical generator, is significantly more efficient than present generators, which also means that it can produce significantly more than the energy it needs to operate. The continues electrical generator can feedback the system, the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely

So even seen here that main reason why the application was rejected was that statement
"the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely"
in this application sounds like contradicting with laws of reciprocity,
By that that application was a sign to perpetual motion group of machines by patent office.

In 0011  we have interesting statement:
Quote
quote:
"continuous electrical generator, may excite its own electromagnetic field with a minimum part of electrical energy produced'

this statement is an indication of concept used by Tariel Kapanadze . Where device produce enough of electrical energy to run itself and by means of self looping deliver part of that energy back to power the same device by itself.
And that of course is not acceptable by means of United States patent office. It is also contradicting the general thinking of most of physicists if not all of them.

But interesting point I could make here:
not always all of the factors are immediately visible.
My friend is science Dr. Roy likes to say.
"Only the magician knows his tricks."
that does not mean that automatically all tricks are not scientifically valid.
====================================================
by means of science:
energy delivered as well as energy used for conversion, must be bigger than energy left over after conversion is done, or after energy is consumed

So in this topic I specifically pointed at phenomena that could only be explained
 if we have two sources of energy:
1 – energy useful conversion. This energy can be:  Telluric Current
2 – energy that takes this  Telluric Current and pump it into your device connected to the load for example lightbulb
but still will be able to reroute part of that energy back to the power terminals of your device and power it's electronic components.
And of course there is a need for our own initial energy just to be able to start the device and it is usually 12 V battery.

The general concept of any electrostatic concept device is to deliver some of our own energy at first
use this energy to power the device and then disconnected so that device then connected to the ground would be able to power itself and power the load connected to it.

And of course even if you make it work nobody would believe in it and everybody would think that this is just a magician trick.
Just because I happen to be able to witness by myself such devices and be sure that this is not a trick I am here with you and I'm sharing my knowledge.

Please understand that I'm on the ground of classical approach and I am in no way are going to be a rebelliant .
There is no free lunch and nobody is going to give anything for free.
Everything that sounds to be for free it is actually salesperson trick for you to be obligated to pay for it many times more than its original value.

But it is proven that we can use energy of sun, energy of wind, energy of river flow, energy or friction, thermal energy, and plenty of other forms of energy that doesn't have to be paid for.


This is all for now and this is not the end, this is just the beginning,

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: d3x0r on May 27, 2018, 05:19:19 AM
So even seen here that main reason why the application was rejected was that statement
"the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely"
in this application sounds like contradicting with laws of reciprocity,
By that that application was a sign to perpetual motion group of machines by patent office.

Indeed; on the google site it had it classified perpetum mobile (something)
the uspto.gov website is kinda crap; and would only return the first page of the rejection letter.  I really wanted to see how they would word that in a rejection.  So 'Abandoned' is really rejected; although it looks like a failure to respond to office action is what caused rejection.


Edit;
an anology; if you have a rubber baloon filled with a pressure, and had a means to install a valve, and apply a pressue to the valve to cause it to open.... (you give it a 12V jolt) and then there's a release of usable pressure.  The valve could have a fan -generator attached....
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 05:38:27 AM
Indeed; on the google site it had it classified perpetum mobile (something)
the uspto.gov website is kinda crap; and would only return the first page of the rejection letter.  I really wanted to see how they would word that in a rejection.  So 'Abandoned' is really rejected; although it looks like a failure to respond to office action is what caused rejection.


Edit;
an anology; if you have a rubber baloon filled with a pressure, and had a means to install a valve, and apply a pressue to the valve to cause it to open.... (you give it a 12V jolt) and then there's a release of usable pressure.  The valve could have a fan -generator attached....
Yes that is true.
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 06:04:41 AM
Molina-Martinez main text body
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 27, 2018, 10:30:09 AM
Hi Wesley,
Its good to see that you have started your own thread.
You wrote: -
"But interesting point I could make here:
not always all of the factors are immediately visible.
My friend is science Dr. Roy likes to say.
"Only the magician knows his tricks."
that does not mean that automatically all tricks are not scientifically valid."

A wise guy your Dr. Roy!
I hope you won't take this the wrong way but you do come across as being strongly biassed towards the opinion that Kapanadze's devices are genuine self-runners. I find this rather strange that given you clearly have good technical training and education and yet, although you have seen some of Kapanadze's first hand, you have never had the opportunity to conduct a proper physical instrument based technical analysis on any of them.

I'll leave you with these shots from Kapanadze's / Akula's videos that I feel uneasy with: -
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 03:01:47 PM
I  do thank you  for your comment and pictures.
Just think about this simple schematic of electrostatic pump, 
You may find it electronically  correct.
But first let's  put everything together:

We have mechanical arrangement that contains:
1. electrical motor ( it can be 1 phase or  3 phase
2. we have schematic 1
look at picture 1 below.
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During the time where impulses intervals are equal 0V motor rotating by inertia acts as  another generator but at this time it is producing  its own impulses.
At picture #2  I will analyze these signals.
Quote
Note:
your comments  under  my post happened during the time  that I was working on picture #2 so please review it one more time.
I'm not yet at the point of self-looping  or energy efficiency. I'm just explaining  how it works .
 

Picture #2:
Motor  that is already in motion  is energized  again by  positive part of an impulse delivered from external source of impulses.
That motor polarizes capacitor ( I have described dual form of such capacitor in my earlier posts). It is  capacitive factor of impedance that  is important , rather than specifically  stated particular form of such capacitor that is important!
-After end of this positive part of an impulse there is  no voltage delivered to the motor.for the period of time specified by  length of intervals between impulses .
 
but because  shaft of motor is in motion than  that motor produces its own  impulses opposite in polarity
- From the other side of capacitor  we have diode D2 that unloads potential of capacitor if connected to the load.
- At the  period of time of 0V  delivered by external  source  , the electrical impulses generated by inertial motion of the motor acts as PULL of PUSH-PULL  -the capacitor to  be  charged again but with different polarity.
- motor used by Tariel Kapanadze  might of have slight modification !!!!!!!!!! that depends from the motor .
- in all of Kapanadze devices and versions we deal with the same physical phenomena. like Electronic Push-Pull and spark Gap to create series of impulses already at HV.
- ground wire  in certain regions of the world my not be connected however capacitive coupling must be present.
  e.g.  Car dipole  Antenna  needs counterpoise( "contrabalace") and Car metal body serves as  counterpoise.
  in  Walke-Talke  Your body is a counterpoise, in cellphone smart  microprocessor makes SWR close to 1:1
  and so on, but your human body walks on the earth.
  In air or in space  there is set couterpoise relation  between antenna and body of  flying object.  So look at it as mass to mass relation at very specific wavelength ,
  that wavelength is specified by physical length of an  antenna. But in order  for that antenna to resonate you must obey proper frequency delivery  from the transmitter to that antenna .
  There is rule of law: FIRST RESONATE THAN PROPAGATE.!!
  The major problem for early 20 century spark transmitters was that total power  of such TX was spread  along entire spectrum of the signals emitted by the antenna.
 
  To better understand it :
  You also may  picture yourself pushing with your left hand finger  in the middle of the palm of your right hand. You will fill the pressure end possibly small pain.
  But if you now take into your left hand  metal needle    that is very narrow  and apply the same force on the palm of your right hand - the needle will penetrate your hand all away and comes out from the  other side.
  that is what I meant about concentrating  all elements of spectrum instead of filtering  it. SO DO NOT FILTER IT!!
 
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Picture #3:
 We see here presence of negative polarity of the impulse from external source of signals.
 But because polarity of this  impulse is the same to the polarity  stored in capacitor  than now we have at OUTPUT sum of both signals
-the one from external source
-and the one  from rotating shaft of the motor.
 Please note:
 
that... because we are powering motor with external negative impulse,  we use energy to overcome motor losses,
however these loses are  much smaller now, as shaft is in its inertial motion .
That can be compared to the car that was pushed from speed zero  at first  train of impulses  by group of teenagers,
 and now this group push it again  but car is already in inertial motion created by previous pushes.   
 So now losses are much smaller to maintain  the same speed.

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Picture #4:
Coil capacitor:
Please note that building such structure may not be necessary  just fallow instructions from picture 4.
find and analyze model number of capacitors used by  Tariel  Kapanadze in his Tent  presentation. Analyze connection of capacitors and its internal structure based on spec.

======================================================================================================

At this point we just explained PUSH -PULL action
However this arrangement  does not produce  access of energy  unless we include  explanation of  energy conversion responsible for let me call it "coupling".
If we are able to explain it  with no violation  of laws of thermodynamics , than such "coupling". may be accepted by  the most  conservative physicists





There are few important things  needed to mention:
The schematic should work at  this arrangement however:

- energy can be collected on Capacitor at any spectrum of frequencies, But there is very specific  frequency and 
  gap between impulses that must be individually  set  baset on experimenter model of motor.

- energy output can be connected to primary of Tesla Coil or HV transformer such as flyback. Flyback  acts as
  temporary energy storage  due to its gap  in halfs of the ferrite core.

 - collecting and narrowing  with of impulse at the output  should be done in such a way that, there is no  energy loss. think of it  rather as a "funnel" , do not think about it as a  form of filter.
e.g.  if I place funnel  on the top of the bottle and pour the water inside  the neck of the bottle.  You did not lose energy but you lose speed of flow.

Ground wire can be tricky as well as coil capacitor .
Telluric current presence in your location can be checked by  inserting two copper rods  at the distance of  e.g 50m and measuring voltage in between

 Wesley

PS: this is as far As I'm  allowed to move forward.
  Part of the data that was not resented to you  as of yet , -  does not have OK to be released.
  As I stated  not all of my knowledge is my own intellectual property.

 THAT IS WHY PEOPLE  FROM AROUND THE WORLD TRUST ME TO BE THEIR SAFETY DEPOSIT.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 27, 2018, 03:59:35 PM
OK. This is pretty much an early Bedini energiser setup - free energy generator.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: ramset on May 27, 2018, 05:38:14 PM
Hoppy
Do you know anyone
anyone at all... who has seen the "B"energizer make more energy than it took to run it ?would be nice to read about that or see it ?
in all my years of speaking with builders here and elsewhere
No one has ever done an energy audit or powered anything with one that I am aware of ??

@@  Wesley your image is too big ?? 

 it makes us  run back and forth to read the page
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 27, 2018, 06:13:11 PM
Hoppy
Do you know anyone
anyone at all... who has seen the "B"energizer make more energy than it took to run it ?would be nice to read about that or see it ?
in all my years of speaking with builders here and elsewhere
No one has ever done an energy audit or powered anything with one that I am aware of ??

@@  Wesley your image is too big ?? 

 it makes us  run back and forth to read the page
Hi Ramset,
I've spent a few years building various strains of 'B' energisers and as the man himself always stressed, the energiser is not an OU device in itself and is simply a signal generator to condition LA batteries in such a way that a system COP greater than unity could be achieved. However, I carried out simple but laborious energy measurements in accordance with the protocol on the then SSG forums but never achieved a system COP >1. I think I can see where Wesley is taking us because the energiser was most effective pulse charging storage capacitors which in turn are pulse dumped to load.
 Like you, I communicated with several builders and none of them reported any free energy arising out of their experiments.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on May 27, 2018, 06:33:46 PM
what is free energy, I will tell you its a sine wave or any wave filled with loads of impulses that were not original to the wave.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 27, 2018, 06:39:38 PM
what is free energy, I will tell you its a sine wave or any wave filled with loads of impulses that were not original to the wave.
Hi Alien,
I get most of mine from solar panels once they are paid for.  8)
Have you escaped the asylum too.  ;D
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on May 27, 2018, 07:58:25 PM
This little circuit is most interesting it takes the fundamental and depending on a certain components value
can subtract pulses. , but if selected sensibly. Yet gets ignored.

Apecore  what this one ?

Dr who used it for sound effects sounds like a Dalek   ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on May 27, 2018, 08:25:35 PM
Haha,...  yes the asylum,..

Well lets help Wesley here on his thread,....  would be nice to see if we could gather some keypoints in the mode of operandi of the TK system.
I believe that the relation to OU is for all these different setups in basic the same.

There are more ways to go.

Most important issue in my opinion is the charging done by the HV ( kacher) system....all these setups are uding unipolair pulses in order to disrupt the magnetic field in the output coil.
Timing,... duration and frequenty relation(s) could be some of the main parameters.
I m not so familiar with the TKP but probally we can take a view at a flowchart which makes it easy to compare the mentioned parameters with other setups?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521745/#msg521745
 I have finished first part of my explanation so please visit it again  as  a lot more  was added
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on May 27, 2018, 09:06:22 PM
Some notes from Zeitmachine in a other Kap[anadze related thread.



A COLLECTION OF GUNTIS/COSMOLV STATEMENTS

1) Tariel said, the device is very simple;

2) 220V goes in and 220V goes out; 50Hz;

3) everything is in the coil setup - actually in windings; it is a bifilar coil but in non-standard way, closed looped by itself;

4) all magic happens between coils; trigger coil is the output power coil; try to put your mind back to those years; no semiconductors, no RadioShack - nothing, just wires and transformers;

5) most important thing is to generate sharp pulses;

6) device is not transformer but choke where high voltage - no more than 2000 volts - produces light ionization; what you need is little high voltage to give birth to new electrons and lots of electrons forming around the wires, the second thing is to activate these electrons;

7) a static field or ionization is also called a dead magnetic field, but we can convert this field to perform work;

8) high voltage in specific frequency creates a dead magnetic field; if we synchronize this high voltage with the low voltage half-wave, then we can turn the core in an electric generator and it works like a combustion engine;

9) high voltage is injector and low voltage is piston, magnetic field is combustion chamber;

10) when impulses are generated, a magnetic field is created in a bifilar coil, so in total you have one source, but in fact you have resonant magnetic generator with two fields;

11) it is not enough to loop electricity through coils, you need to interact with medium (make a bridge); but remember always and always this is manipulation with time;

12) ions are attracted by ionization, this high voltage field is magnetized with vibrations and we get a very powerful magnetic field and this field is the outside power; energy is received on coil through magnetic field, not electrical or electrostatic;

13) this device is not a toy, it has a great ability to change our lives and it needs to be done in a smart way; we need to think globally; if anybody release schematics government takes fast control of it, it will be turned as illegal immediately; actually the effect in this device is very specific magnetic field, the technology by itself is like atomic reaction, but without pollution of radiation; BUT ... this magnetic field, if you make it stronger, it can kill you in seconds or, if you make it stronger, it can cause an effect like an atomic bomb; you cannot change the world or change the rules of our governments. With this device YES you can! Free Energy is only one side of it, other side is the most powerful weapon in human history after Nuclear Power! By the way, nuclear power sits far back compared to this (Free Energy) principle; it generates its own magnetic field which is not dependent of earths fields, without earth grounding the device produces too much power, but this is different story which is not related to Free Energy, there are more things, not only Free Energy ...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on May 27, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
Wesley, can you make a quick schematic in paint? of this coil capacitor electrostatic pump.

is strip 11 an output line ?  11 goes to ground, is this EARTH GROUND? where is the load (bulbs)?

we can use motor as source of the impulses or hv spark gap?, right?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 27, 2018, 09:13:29 PM
Haha,...  yes the asylum,..

Well lets help Wesley here on his thread,....  would be nice to see if we could gather some keypoints in the mode of operandi of the TK system.
I believe that the relation to OU is for all these different setups in basic the same.

I'm looking forward to see more explanation from Wesley, especially the general configuration and supply / earthing arrangement for the pulse generator. Then we should have a better idea about his theory on how TK's devices functions. At the moment the electron balancing explanation does not make much sense to me.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on May 27, 2018, 09:16:23 PM
I'm looking forward to see more explanation from Wesley, especially the general configuration and supply / earthing arrangement for the pulse generator. Then we should have a better idea about his theory on how TK's devices functions. At the moment the electron balancing explanation does not make much sense to me.

 I agree,
As PolaczekCebulaczek is requesting with some more of coarse seems a good start.

I have some kind of feeling that AG would have a drawing which comes close to the reality?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on May 27, 2018, 09:31:02 PM
This seems to me related?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 11:03:06 PM
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521745/#msg521745 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521745/#msg521745)
As of Today at  5 PM  Eastern Time I have made  addition to   material posted  previously.
Please visit link form above to see  changes.
there it is.
Coil Cpacitor  however  there is no need to build one just fallow instructions on picture below
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2018, 11:49:29 PM
Hoppy
Do you know anyone
anyone at all... who has seen the "B"energizer make more energy than it took to run it ?would be nice to read about that or see it ?
in all my years of speaking with builders here and elsewhere
No one has ever done an energy audit or powered anything with one that I am aware of ??

@@  Wesley your image is too big ?? 

 it makes us  run back and forth to read the page
I'm sorry for that Hoppy.
but press CTRL on you keyboard and hold it  ,- while you holding it  turn  wheel  of your mouse - that  will make it smaller or bigger   up to your comfort
 revisit https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521745/#msg521745
You will see more text .

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 28, 2018, 01:26:39 AM
Hi Wesley,
I hope you won't take this the wrong way but you do come across as being strongly biassed towards the opinion that Kapanadze's devices are genuine self-runners. I find this rather strange that given you clearly have good technical training and education and yet, although you have seen some of Kapanadze's first hand, you have never had the opportunity to conduct a proper physical instrument based technical analysis on any of them.
Answer : Dear Hoppy, I'm the  one of  few guys, who is not interested with fame, money, being first , or being recognized.
My goal is to  understand  theoretical basis for such device to exist. I need mechanism of such energy conversion. 
I do not need the device. 
For many of you  to have  Lamborghini is the goal, for me  it is just another car.

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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 28, 2018, 01:31:30 AM
I agree,
As PolaczekCebulaczek is requesting with some more of coarse seems a good start.

I have some kind of feeling that AG would have a drawing which comes close to the reality?
There you have it .
For PolaczekCebulaczek
:
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https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521767/#msg521767 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521767/#msg521767)
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on May 28, 2018, 04:06:47 AM
I'm going to approach intellectual property owner to allow me to publish  more  about  it.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: SolarLab on May 28, 2018, 05:14:12 AM
F.Y.I.

Attached GIFs are for "Show and Tell" value ONLY!

Attached are two CAE Animated GIFs from an older version of CST. They were from
a preliminary analysis of Helical Cavity Filter development. This is only the single10Hz
part of the overall frequency sweep - one cycle [360deg at 10deg steps] of a nanosecond
pulse input. Coil is simply one layer with a 1/2 folded back second layer.

A full Ruslan (Kapanadze Blue) 6 layer coil was just completed using Comsol and it's far more
interesting; however, still a "work-in-progress" [takes nearly 48 hours to simulate and
needs over 138GB for the result files]. These Animated GIFs are too large to post here, plus
the interactions appear too complex to view in cartoon form and gain any useful
information from. Strains a high level HP 32 core workstation with 256GB RAM and 4TB SSD's.

Some "real" light at the end of the tunnel (?) - and it's not a train (I hope!).

Note: use "Gif Viewer" (free) to view the Gif file animations - allows slow view speed and stop.

See the last few posts of this thread for more info on the approach:

https://overunity.com/14956/new-scalar-wave-detector-and-laws-of-scalar-physics/msg519014/#msg519014 (https://overunity.com/14956/new-scalar-wave-detector-and-laws-of-scalar-physics/msg519014/#msg519014)

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: SolarLab on May 28, 2018, 06:01:52 AM
F.Y.I.

It appears this board screws up raw Animated Gif's ???

Anyway, attached is a .zip file containing the above mentioned gif files.

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on May 28, 2018, 09:29:10 AM
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521745/#msg521745 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg521745/#msg521745)
As of Today at  5 PM  Eastern Time I have made  addition to   material posted  previously.
Please visit link form above to see  changes.
there it is.
Coil Cpacitor  however  there is no need to build one just fallow instructions on picture below
Wesley
On this Kapanadze device presentation in Turkey is ordinary "cosinus" capacitors. This capacitors used in industrial electric equpment on 50 Hz. These capacitors allow a long-time alternating current through themselves to several tens of amperes without overheating. Not very much  amperes trought one, for example a capacitor of 20 kVar at 400 volts allows a current:Icap = 20 000 Var/400V* sqrt(3) = 29 A. These capacitors can be used in a resonant circuit at a low frequency, 10 to 500 Hz, with connecting many capacitors in parallel. These capacitors are not suitable for the Tesla coil due to overheating on the HF.
I think that this circuit with capacitors is needed by Kapanadze as a converter-"filter" of dirty nonsinusoidal current from his hidden X-Source into a pure sine current of 50 Hz, suitable for use in a conventional electrical network.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2017china-wholesale-market-three-phase-kvar_60684828500.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2017china-wholesale-market-three-phase-kvar_60684828500.html)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 28, 2018, 10:35:25 AM
I'm going to approach intellectual property owner to allow me to publish  more  about  it.

Wesley
Thanks Wesley. That is certainly needed because the principle you show on the first page for generating unipolar pulses using a motor has around for many years and was well explained by JB and others. Also, the theoretical concept of extracting copius amounts of energy from Telluric currents simply from a ground rod is very difficult for me to accept, given that telluric currents are layered and not practically extracted from small point sources in copius quantity. Also, this theory is at odds to Kapanadze's statement that his Aqua devices can still work with no ground connection, albeit at a little lower output power level.

Sorry to labour this point but given your professional technical education, why do you come across in writing to strongly believe that from a purely visual examination of Kapanadze's device(s), that he achieved self-running? Is it primarily just an intuitive hunch in your opinion that they self-run, like in my case, that his devices are fake in respect of self-running?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on May 28, 2018, 11:44:20 AM
Ok, Thanks Wesley, I think I do understand now, so just to be sure... before rolling the coil capacitor it should look like this: (side/ profile view)

and what frequency is recommended for 10m long, 5cm wide strips? and what type of impulses?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: d3x0r on May 28, 2018, 11:55:17 AM
Re a coil capacitor....


This is a massive coil, wound just double layer (one inside, one outside).  Inside is a large neodymium magnet, when it rotates, it generates a current flow in the coils.  The coil ends independantly can be used as a + potential and a - potential, and thereby have a charge stored in the coil...  this charge can then be used to kick the magnet to continue to rotate.  There is very little drag effect because of lens when the coils are open...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xLFl5RhNgU


(I dunno it's been a work in progress for a while... this is somwhere in the middle... but towards the video leadin)
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3128.msg49555#msg49555
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on May 28, 2018, 12:58:34 PM
I dont know from where is the "free energy" suppose to come in,  telluric current? isn't that to weak?

anyway, the idea presented here by mighty Wesley is to increase parasitic capacitance of a SUPER BIFILAR coil...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on May 30, 2018, 08:25:55 PM
Apecore this was the last Kapagen built, I almost electrocuted myself, way too dangerous to use 3200 volts in the ground. Also what was not seen was the Fe Mg Zr core inside that puts out beta electrons.  That I self censored this device, I am really sorry for that... Need to study "spinwaves" as this Kapanadze devices type work on this method as I have posted this over many years and nobody seems to grasp that maybe Wesley only.. Iron isotope (s) will go nuke  with ultrasonic waves and that sound is very bad as in the high pitch ,  Fe TV core will do that in each half that is why the paper is needed in that split..  Be very careful of that sound...


Acca..
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on May 30, 2018, 09:26:31 PM
Apecore this was the last Kapagen built, I almost electrocuted myself, way too dangerous to use 3200 volts in the ground. Also what was not seen was the Fe Mg Zr core inside that puts out beta electrons.  That I self censored this device, I am really sorry for that... Need to study "spinwaves" as this Kapanadze devices type work on this method as I have posted this over many years and nobody seems to grasp that maybe Wesley only.. Iron isotope (s) will go nuke  with ultrasonic waves and that sound is very bad as in the high pitch ,  Fe TV core will do that in each half that is why the paper is needed in that split..  Be very careful of that sound...


Acca..

Acca,
Thanks for the responce.
So what you are saying is that the device in combination with the TV core is dangerous.
I can remeber Wesley posted something about that beta emission etc.

I d like to see if there i more information or research available what frequenties are destructive for health?
Can you give some specific timeframe when and where you posted it as you explained?


So if i do understand,....you don t have a schematic anymore?
Is there a different posibllity to proceed in this system?....  or do we have only the unipolair disruptive puls idea what should bring the magics?
This is also  direct or indirect reviewed and looked at several threas here...... but no surprising results to be found.

Greetings

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on May 30, 2018, 09:53:00 PM
Apcore yes T H Moray talkes about it. I will find it for you !

http://cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray.htm

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray2/morayrer.htm

The Lilly Wave And Psychotronic Warfare.

http://thebridgelifeinthemix.info/technology/the-lilly-wave-and-psychotronic-warfare/#sthash.Vm2e0oDQ.dpbs
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on May 30, 2018, 11:42:27 PM
I have always thought that ferrite is more likely the source of any free energy available, rather than the earth giving up energy from telluric currents or aetheric energy from high. I can also envisage potential danger in experimenting if this is the case, which is one of the reasons that I have stopped chasing the rainbow, at least until a lot more information on the true modus operandi is available and fully understood.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: ramset on May 31, 2018, 01:37:53 AM
NMR safety issues aside

If what AG is posting is true... "Psychotronic Warfare".[which would not surprise me]



Tinfoil hardhats should be standard issue during times of civil unrest or "other"  :o
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on May 31, 2018, 04:19:18 PM
NMR safety issues aside

If what AG is posting is true... "Psychotronic Warfare".[which would not surprise me]



Tinfoil hardhats should be standard issue during times of civil unrest or "other"  :o
What you don't have one all ready  ;D  do you have an i phone ?

there is always the god frequency I wonder if that would work any better (the music tone before the
nazi's changed it ? don't know what i'm on about) that's a pity

Well the Schumann frequency is 8 but the universe is a 9 multiply 8 x 9 = ?
Talk to Stella about his research into the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnEWOYKgI4o

AG 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 01, 2018, 04:49:53 PM
I have always thought that ferrite is more likely the source of any free energy available, rather than the earth giving up energy from telluric currents or aetheric energy from high. I can also envisage potential danger in experimenting if this is the case, which is one of the reasons that I have stopped chasing the rainbow, at least until a lot more information on the true modus operandi is available and fully understood.

Seems reasonable,
It seems AG s post does points out some potential risk doing experiments.
Either we use a tin hat or we need to avoid those critical frequenty?
We should do some roundup in which freq. we need to avoid.

Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 01, 2018, 05:46:57 PM
Seems reasonable,
It seems AG s post does points out some potential risk doing experiments.
Either we use a tin hat or we need to avoid those critical frequenty?
We should do some roundup in which freq. we need to avoid.

Greetings
Hopefully, Wesley will be able to shed some light on this issue as he comes across as knowing how these self-running devices operate.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on June 01, 2018, 11:23:04 PM
Here is  where the Italians discovered FeCl goes nuclear.. Sorry about the size

and so does (Fe Zr Mg) core..    P.S.  it's the "TV core" yoke everybody..

Acca...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 01, 2018, 11:33:05 PM
For these skilled in art:
You know what I'm talking about

Для специалистов  квалифицированных в искусстве Вы знаете, что я говорю ...............

Уэсли
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: SolarLab on June 02, 2018, 06:32:40 AM
F.Y.I

The "ZEZ Silko CSADG 3-0, 4/30 [3 X 199uF] is a three-phase power compensation
capacitor with a "Delta" configuration.

An internal schematic of the capacitor is shown in Figure 6. on this page: (also figure 4.)

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/building-capacitor-bank-reactive-power-compensation-panel (http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/building-capacitor-bank-reactive-power-compensation-panel)

Internal capacitor schematic shown in red - labelled C1 or C2, etc... ("Delta configuration" - each
terminal tied to the other capacitor terminal).

* link to schematic (png) removed, as requested.*

BTW, another configuration is known as a "Y" where each of three terminals are tied together
in the center with the other three terminals being independent.

The spec sheet for the ZEZ Silko CSADG 3-0, 4/30 is here:

https://www.zez-silko.com/customzone/prod/1/3j1796af.pdf  (https://www.zez-silko.com/customzone/prod/1/3j1796af.pdf) [last item listed].

Not sure how the diagram referred to in the post above can be configured [wired] using a "Delta"
terminal three phase power factor compensation capacitor configuration??? 

Для специалистов  квалифицированных в искусстве Вы знаете, что я говорю ............... Nyet (Het)  ;) !

Maybe there's more to it; or I might have missed something.


FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 02, 2018, 09:56:21 AM
Wesley,
The Arunas contribution you show above, is at odds with Kapanadze's and Ruslan's claimed self-running devices which use only a single ground connection. Are we therefore to assume that Kapanadze uses a remote and grounded HV generator / oscillator of some description, with a hidden feed wire to the device? The generator / oscillator is key but where is it located??
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 02, 2018, 01:46:17 PM
F.Y.I

The "ZEZ Silko CSADG 3-0, 4/30 [3 X 199uF] is a three-phase power compensation
capacitor with a "Delta" configuration.

An internal schematic of the capacitor is shown in Figure 6. on this page: (also figure 4.)

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/building-capacitor-bank-reactive-power-compensation-panel (http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/building-capacitor-bank-reactive-power-compensation-panel)

Internal capacitor schematic shown in red - labelled C1 or C2, etc... ("Delta configuration" - each
terminal tied to the other capacitor terminal).

http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/circuit-breaker-main-circuit.png (http://electrical-engineering-portal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/circuit-breaker-main-circuit.png)

BTW, another configuration is known as a "Y" where each of three terminals are tied together
in the center with the other three terminals being independent.

The spec sheet for the ZEZ Silko CSADG 3-0, 4/30 is here:

https://www.zez-silko.com/customzone/prod/1/3j1796af.pdf  (https://www.zez-silko.com/customzone/prod/1/3j1796af.pdf) [last item listed].

Not sure how the diagram referred to in the post above can be configured [wired] using a "Delta"
terminal three phase power factor compensation capacitor configuration??? 

Для специалистов  квалифицированных в искусстве Вы знаете, что я говорю ............... Nyet (Het)  ;) !

Maybe there's more to it; or I might have missed something.


FIN
Please look below
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Thaelin on June 02, 2018, 04:36:41 PM
  And just did a search for FeZrMg alloy and the search engine went off line. Ok for other things tho. Hmmmmm?

Starting to see a pattern here. But then, if the combo goes beta, wouldn't want to be messing with it anyhow. Now without some lead sheilds.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 02, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
It doesn't matter beta radiation or not. The same aspect is visible in Henry Moray , Edwin Gray, Steven Marks, Correa devices. Conversion from radiant energy into HF current must go through the stage or radiation of particles from metalic surface or from air.  All other ways are simply very well known and described and do obey the Lenz law perfectly (so never goes into OU stage).
That sad world give happily billions to dig oil from oil sands yet when somebody like Kapanadze or Barbosa or Leal have solution to global warming they pay people to discredit them and stop them from finding the correct explanation of energy source and method of obtaining it.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on June 02, 2018, 05:43:12 PM
Wesley,
The Arunas contribution you show above, is at odds with Kapanadze's and Ruslan's claimed self-running devices which use only a single ground connection. Are we therefore to assume that Kapanadze uses a remote and grounded HV generator / oscillator of some description, with a hidden feed wire to the device? The generator / oscillator is key but where is it located??

first Kapanadze "green box" worked on two grounds (connected to buried radiator and water pipe ) however this delta capacitor is confusing, we need simple schematic ... Wesley can you fix my paint picture and draw input and outputs? 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 02, 2018, 07:50:25 PM
First Kapanadze green box device works on single ground, but it is really the mass of metal which is important.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 02, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
First Kapanadze green box device works on single ground, but it is really the mass of metal which is important.
Correct, so this is not the working principle shown in Wesleys diagrams as per Arunas's two earth rod contribution.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on June 02, 2018, 09:01:18 PM
Correct, so this is not the working principle shown in Wesleys diagrams as per Arunas's two earth rod contribution.

really? I always fought that green box worked on two ground wires, one for water pipe and other for buried radiator. I also dont like the Arunas diagram too, tesla coil secondary does not have such sharp  waveforms?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 02, 2018, 09:39:04 PM
really? I always fought that green box worked on two ground wires, one for water pipe and other for buried radiator. I also dont like the Arunas diagram too, tesla coil secondary does not have such sharp  waveforms?

As far as I'm aware :)  Tariel in Green box used two grounds  apart from each other.
 1- cold water  pipe.
2 copper radiator  soaked with water  and buried at depth of ~1.75 m
the distance between two grounds  was around 25m
and now compare it to Wesley's contribution


Насколько я знаю, Тариэль в зеленой коробке использовал два гранда
  1 - труба холодной воды.
2 медь: радиатор пропитанный водой и похоронили на глубине ~1.75 м, расстояние между двумя грандами былo около 25 м
и теперь сравните его с Уэсли и вклад

Note: please note that distance between grounds  is pointed here - not distance  between  components of Tariel device.
Нота: прошу обратить внимание, что здесь указано расстояние между грандами, а не расстояние между компонентами устройства Tariel.
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 02, 2018, 10:29:31 PM
As far as I'm aware :)  Tariel in Green box used two grounds  apart from each other.
 1- cold water  pipe.
2 copper radiator  soaked with water  and buried at depth of ~1.75 m
the distance between two grounds  was around 25m
and now compare it to Wesley's contribution

Wesley
Initially in part 1 the water tap was used as a ground. At 14:24 in part 2, the ground was swapped to the radiator. Later on an the lamp array was moved closer to the water tap and an additional wire was taken from the lamp array and connected to the water tap to improve the lamp brightness. As far as I can tell, at no time were two ground connections in place at the same time.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 02, 2018, 10:36:21 PM
Initially in part 1 the water tap was used as a ground. At 14:24 in part 2, the ground was swapped to the radiator. Later on an the lamp array was moved closer to the water tap and an additional wire was taken from the lamp array and connected to the water tap to improve the lamp brightness. As far as I can tell, at no time were two ground connections in place at the same time.

do you clearly see first ground being  disconnected?
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 02, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
At 11:23 in part 1 it can be seen that the water pipe is the only ground, as the end of the radiator cable can be seen laying on the ground. Despite this Kapanadze has claimed that the devices self-run with just one ground connection. The Aqua 2 device clearly demonstrates this.
Take a look at this shot: -

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 02, 2018, 11:06:00 PM
At 11:23 in part 1 it can be seen that the water pipe is the only ground, as the end of the radiator cable can be seen laying on the ground. Despite this Kapanadze has claimed that the devices self-run with just one ground connection. The Aqua 2 device clearly demonstrates this.
Take a look at this shot: -

At first video show  (prior to  link at 10:04)  car radiator    being buried. https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=257 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=257)
 
please look here . 
https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=604     link at 10:04 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=604)
then video shows  water pipe  connection  at 10:58 instead of radiator connection
https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=658 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=658)

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 02, 2018, 11:45:51 PM
Yes, thats right, light coloured radiator cable and thick black cable are not connected together onto the water pipe at any point in the video.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 12:51:17 AM
Yes, thats right, light coloured radiator cable and thick black cable are not connected together onto the water pipe at any point in the video.
that I do understand
here you have on ground wire 6.4V and should be zero right?
https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474)

So  because of large size of this post I need to end it  in this form
but  6.4V at water pipe was measured  with clamp volt meter  as in video above.
that is clear indication of existence   of reference point   on wire connected to the water  pipe.
and it proves two ground structure  in Tariel device.
Attachments:
1. http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/pdfz/documents/2014/41332nelson/ndx_nelson.pdf.html  NOTE: you need to place mark I'm not robot
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery (http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/pdfz/documents/2014/41332nelson/ndx_nelson.pdf.html)
 
Quote
To use the natural electricity, earth batteries fed electromagnets, the load, that were part of a motor mechanism.
3.https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433023210184;view=1up;seq=80 (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=nyp.33433023210184;view=1up;seq=80)     this is simply  a jewel.  1885 book talking about earth battery construction start from page 72
 it is related to  third picture below 


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 02:53:38 AM
http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/pdfz/documents/2014/41332nelson/ndx_nelson.pdf.html (http://www.searchanddiscovery.com/pdfz/documents/2014/41332nelson/ndx_nelson.pdf.html)
 NOTE: you need to place mark I'm not robot
to gain access to this document

1. here you have  the same book from 1885 about  "resistance"
of earth. - that is in  very primitive form of understanding of science in this period of time . but it is  quite shocking.
length of DC circuit using earth  loop 

2.look at picture : -
Quote
Earth and DC current.. picture referring to point 2 in my post.jpg
from the same  book we know that 1 mile of copper wire  coated with zink   -the resistance is 6 ohm.
- and it says that if you use  earth instead of return wire you can save 50% of battery life. look at picture #2
 That translated to other statement in this book says that it is due to telluric current presence.
 So if battery was 34V that "17V" was adding into battery life. However such ridiculous   claim  can not be accepted
 We should say( state it )  in terms of current flow at  given potential not   the voltage.
We see here that current flow is additive.

2a. for us is important to understand the   Battery was establishing voltage potential  and current flow was conserved due to Telluric current.
By that  if we can  establish any voltage potential  for example 5000V than we influence "free electrons" - flow  according to understanding o physics in 1885
But than current flow will obey the same phenomena as stated above - for battery.

2b. We need to understand also  nature of telegraph impulse that was unknown in 1885 that is :
- every impulse of DC has its  front edge AC and  falling edge AC.
that is nothing more  and nothing less but stimulation similar to our  rectangular impulses used in Tariel Kapanadze  devices.

2c.
- And now we are at  electrostatic pump , where we include diode to pump  current flow in one direction , from the earth to  the device  as nature wants to be in balance.
 We may do it as I mentioned in my articles  above in few different forms.  ( first  I mentioned electrical motor as early Kapanadze device  concept) evolving to electrostatic without use of electrical motor but using  electrostatic pump .

2d.
- use of the diode is not critical but  it is the easiest solution.
We may replace diode with  resonance circuitry forcing or forbidding  energy flow but here we already at  losing energy  in such process - not in conserving  every bit of energy.
so using of chokes is not  very fortunate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_%28electronics%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_%28electronics%29)
- for some of you who do not understand how it works pleaqse  go to  series and parallel resonant circuits:https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/resonance-series-parallel-circuits/
 - in series circuit  all frequencies are stopped  and only frequency of resonance is allowed to pass.
 - in parallel circuit all frequencies are allowed to  pass but  resonance frequency is stopped.
 there is NO  ENERGY LOSE !!!!! in such  arrangement


2e.  Schematic from above showing Tariel electrostatic  circuit ( hand drown contains 2 diodes)
that is exactly what was explained at the very first posts here.

2f. Look below  there is statement standing that
Quote
earth   does not oppose   to current flow that is why  we have 50%  less battery   use.
It is in theoretical analysis completely incorrect statement . - what they did not understand there in 1885 , is that
Telluric current  makes it happened .
However  for all practical application it is correct!!!!

summary : 
-We have evidence of close circuit using  two grounds where one of the wires  is our ground path  where  Telluric current is present .
-That could be compared to  telegraph circuit of 1885 where  earth was used as returning path.
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So we have active close circuit as long as we have difference of potentials.
- that difference can be by using big  low resistance copper wire  ,  and ground as second wire.
- that could be if we measure difference of potentials between two grounds using that  big gauge wire
- that could be if  we use additional  voltage potential for example 34V battery from 1885
- that could be if we use  for example 5000V  of DC to increase voltage potential
- that could be if we use pulse signal DC that has two  AC components ( look above in text)
And magic happens if we use this kind of impulses  as they  already  have seen this phenomena using telegraph Morse code impulses in 1885
(these impulses are the same in nature as our rectangular impulses.)
 I hope this is understood!!?




Wesley
 PS : for these who still can not accept two grounds   think of it as
-one  physical ground
and
- one  capacitivley  reactive ground due to HV difference ( that ground has also reference point to earth ground - called also physical ground.)
for example device that was presented to me in Tbilisi have had only one physical ground.
 Every ground must have reference point to the ground but in dipole antenna that is mass to mass relation  ( at e.g  22floor of apartment building, that is why we  call it - counterpoise.)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 09:57:49 AM
that I do understand
here you have on ground wire 6.4V and should be zero right?
https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474)

So  because of large size of this post I need to end it  in this form
but  6.4V at water pipe was measured  with clamp volt meter  as in video above.
that is clear indication of existence   of reference point   on wire connected to the water  pipe.
and it proves two ground structure  in Tariel device.

Wesley
I would expect just mV reading. The guy is using a high impedance voltmeter and even when the other guy holds the one of the probes, the meter still reads 6V!. As the subtitle suggest, 6V reading means nothing.

The point I'm trying to make, is that Kapanadze has only one ground connection at any point in time, so the reliance on a tapped potential difference between two ground points for Arunas's theory does not apply in the case of this Kapanadze green box demo. The mass of the earth ground appears to be important, which strongly suggests to me that there is a hidden energy source feeding the device, whereby the lamp array is being powered by the energy processed by the device and is relying on a good ground connection for a return path, thus why he was experimeting with the ground leads.
Thanks for references on telluric currents.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: T-1000 on June 03, 2018, 10:36:23 AM
really? I always fought that green box worked on two ground wires, one for water pipe and other for buried radiator. I also dont like the Arunas diagram too, tesla coil secondary does not have such sharp  waveforms?
Hi guys,
You could just drop PM to me while getting confused with that pic which Wesley added.
First at all, the one ground rod or two ground rods it does not matter.
Second, the Tesla coil and middle plate of capacitor(top load) are separated by spark gap in that pic. Which is giving spikes we all need.
Third, you have to utilize electrostatic laws in order to gain more particles on the wire from the ambient. This is where current gain is without using power source.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 10:52:22 AM
Hi guys,
You could just drop PM to me while getting confused with that pic which Wesley added.
First at all, the one ground rod or two ground rods it does not matter.
Second, the Tesla coil and middle plate of capacitor(top load) are separated by spark gap in that pic. Which is giving spikes we all need.
Third, you have to utilize electrostatic laws in order to gain more particles on the wire from the ambient. This is where current gain is without using power source.

Cheers!
T1000,
It would be more helpful to all on this thread if you could post a corrected sketch to show how you think the Kapanadze green box is configured.

Thanks Hoppy.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 01:57:04 PM
I would expect just mV reading. The guy is using a high impedance voltmeter and even when the other guy holds the one of the probes, the meter still reads 6V!. As the subtitle suggest, 6V reading means nothing.

The point I'm trying to make, is that Kapanadze has only one ground connection at any point in time, so the reliance on a tapped potential difference between two ground points for Arunas's theory does not apply in the case of this Kapanadze green box demo. The mass of the earth ground appears to be important, which strongly suggests to me that there is a hidden energy source feeding the device, whereby the lamp array is being powered by the energy processed by the device and is relying on a good ground connection for a return path, thus why he was experimeting with the ground leads.
Thanks for references on telluric currents.


 and :

Hi guys,
You could just drop PM to me while getting confused with that pic which Wesley added.
First at all, the one ground rod or two ground rods it does not matter.
Second, the Tesla coil and middle plate of capacitor(top load) are separated by spark gap in that pic. Which is giving spikes we all need.
Third, you have to utilize electrostatic laws in order to gain more particles on the wire from the ambient. This is where current gain is without using power source.

Cheers!

For both of you Arunas and Hoppy 
Philosophy:
confusion  does not exist- confusion is first  created and than it exists

I did not create any confusion - you created your o own confusion  by not reading carefully that what I said
and I said  two  ground structure EVEN IF IT LOOKS   FOR YOU LIKE  ONE

This is my quote from previous post :
 
Quote
PS : for these who still can not accept two grounds   think of it as
-one  physical ground
and
- one  capacitivley  reactive ground due to HV difference ( that ground has also reference point to earth ground - called also physical ground.)
for example device that was presented to me in Tbilisi have had only one physical ground.
 Every ground must have reference point to the ground but in dipole antenna that is mass to mass relation  ( at e.g  22floor of apartment building, that is why we  call it - counterpoise.)

Quote
Hoppy:
 I would expect just mV reading. The guy is using a high impedance voltmeter and even when the other guy holds the one of the probes, the meter still reads 6V!. As the subtitle suggest, 6V reading means nothing.
It sounds for me more or less like:
Quote
There is a hooker under the neon lamp in red district of Hamburg, but for Hoppy she does not mean anything, and Wesley comes by and ask Hoppy.
-did you mean she does not exists? 
-and if she exists  than  tell me Hoppy why something that does not mean anything over sudden has got  meaning ? Just because I ask  you a question ,or just because she has a reason  to exist in this particular  place at that given point  in time?
So by  use of just words you  have created and converted  meaningless to meaningful 
By that Once you said 6V - it has got a meaning! That means it exists.


1. Unfortunate is that your suggestion reminds said but not stated and supported.
2. We where talking about Green box where we physically see  two grounds in that  green box  show. -  and the questions would be to you Hoppy to answer the questions:
a- why do you think video shows  radiator ground and over sudden  cold water pipe with 6V reading?
b- why Tariel show two grounds?
c. - you Hoppy suggest  hidden source , but at the same time you also say that  at no time both grounds have been connected to  green box.
so  if we fallow your suggestion  than Tariel must of  create two different hidden sources of hidden energy...
And this is NONSENSE to me.
As far as 6V reading- That what for you means "nothing"  is your rights to say it ,.........  but  that sounds  like universal law of Hoppy in physics. :) <grin>
You need to understand that  in High Power  installations such as glass Table and  Tent Tariel could not make it work without two grounds  when he used motors as generators .


Any Ground   physical and  reactive must obey  requirement  of having direct reference point.  !!
As far as distance between the groundsI have explained it  above  look at picture #2 ( gauge 4 wire =6 Ohms at  1 mile length )
but at the same time  book from 1885 says:  look below picture Telluric current practical observations
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 02:39:40 PM

 and :

For both of you Arunas and Hoppy 
Philosophy:
confusion  does not exist- confusion is created

I did not create any confusion - you created your o own confusion  by not reading carefully that what I said
and I said  two  ground structure EVEN IF IT LOOKS   FOR YOU LIKE  ONE

This is my quote from previous post :
 1. Unfortunate is that your suggestion reminds said but not stated and supported.
2. We where talking about Green box where we physically see  two grounds in that  green box  show. -  and the questions would be to you Hoppy to answer the questions:
a- why do you think video shows  radiator ground and over sudden  cold water pipe with 6V reading?
b- why Tariel show two grounds?
c. - you Hoppy suggest  hidden source , but at the same time you also say that  at no time both grounds have been connected to  green box.
so  if we fallow your suggestion  than Tariel must of  create two different hidden sources of hidden energy...
And this is NONSENSE to me.
As far as 6V reading- what for you means nothing  is your rights to say it ,  but  that sounds  like universal law of Hoppy in physics. :) <grin>
You need to understand that  in High Power  installations such as glass Table and  Tent Tariel could not make it work without two grounds  when he used motors as generators .
Any Ground   physical and  reactive must obey  requirement  of having direct reference point.  !!
Wesley
Answer: -
a) The 6V reading cannot be relied upon as accurate or significant unless you are really telling me that there is a genuine 6V differential between two earth points in Kapanadze's garden.  ???
b) He shows two grounds because he is seen to be testing both of them for effectiveness.
c) The presence of two grounds does not logically assume that there must be two sources of hidden energy.
If Arunas felt that he needed to address the confusion, then he must of felt that the sketches you posted were causing confusion because the sketches were showing the configuration being discussed and questioned.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 02:49:04 PM
Answer: -
a) The 6V reading cannot be relied upon as accurate or significant unless you are really telling me that there is a genuine 6V differential between two earth points in Kapanadze's garden.  ???
b) He shows two grounds because he is seen to be testing both of them for effectiveness.
c) The presence of two grounds does not logically assume that there must be two sources of hidden energy.
If Arunas felt that he needed to address the confusion, then he must of felt that the sketches you posted were causing confusion because the sketches were showing the configuration being discussed and questioned.
Hoppy How about c)?
Quote
c. - you Hoppy suggest  hidden source , but at the same time you also say that  at no time both grounds have been connected to  green box.
so  if we fallow your suggestion  than Tariel must of  create two different hidden sources of hidden energy...
And this is NONSENSE to me.
Statement :
"if one part of structure is proven  not valid, the whole body stops to be valid."
The only condition  for its  existence for now is by accepting human error - but you Hoppy do not want to admit it?

Please read  my previous post one more time as I was correcting it  while you responded .

Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 03:25:41 PM
Hoppy How about c)?Statement :
Wesley
Wesley, I've answered it. See my previous post.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 03, 2018, 03:34:41 PM
First we must be sure about the energy source and the mechanism of extracting it.
I have a theory but it is far from complete, because the issue is complicated. There is possibility we have the situation when two or more energy sources are colliding and depending of the actual device one or other prevails. That cause confusion.
The resonance is definitely used because Tariel said so.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: T-1000 on June 03, 2018, 04:09:19 PM
First we must be sure about the energy source and the mechanism of extracting it.
Good you mentioned that part.
In situation we have with Kapanadze style devices - we are dealing with what is the current on the wires and what happens when more particles with charges are injected into wire.
As soon that is realized there is current amplification in result. Which is your Volts x Amps = Power on output.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 04:17:12 PM
Wesley, I've answered it. See my previous post.
No   you did not  answer specifically accurate :
My point c.)
Quote
c. - you Hoppy suggest  hidden source , but at the same time you also say that  at no time both grounds have been connected to  green box.
so  if we fallow your suggestion  than Tariel must of  create two different hidden sources of hidden energy...
And this is NONSENSE to me.
As far as 6V reading- That what for you means "nothing"  is your rights to say it ,.........  but  that sounds  like universal law of Hoppy in physics. (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)) <grin>
You need to understand that  in High Power  installations such as glass Table and  Tent Tariel could not make it work without two grounds  when he used motors as generators .
Any Ground   physical and  reactive must obey  requirement  of having direct reference point.  !!
As far as distance between the grounds I have explained it  above  look at picture #2 ( gauge 4 wire =6 Ohms at  1 mile length )
but at the same time  book from 1885 says:  look at above picture "Telluric current practical observations"

Hoppy  answered :
Quote
c) The presence of two grounds does not logically assume that there must be two sources of hidden energy.


Wesly says about inconsistency  of Hoppy thinking pattern - that turns sense into NONSENSE:

You suggested :         
hidden source of energy.
and you said that :
c) "The presence of two grounds does not logically assume that there must be two sources of hidden energy."

Problem               :both statements exclude each other (x=> + x=<) = NONSENSE just because sign"> "is not specified. And you already excluded that  both grunds must have hidden source of     
                          energy and you already excluded that both grounds are connected at the same time
conclusion:           For all practical  applications - "if one ground  had hidden source of energy and another one did not ( according to your c) ) than  only one of two grounds ( having hidden source ) 
                           can be used at  all time."
 So according to your c)  that what
you suggested and that what you said are in conflict !!.

We are dealing with two grounds and if both of them have been used  at the same time or one at the time  than hidden source of energy does not make any sense.!!!
(as  you already excluded that both grounds are connected at the same time)

resulting outcome if fallowed  Hoppy's analysis: If one ground had hidden source of energy  and the other  didn't  - than Tariel device could  work only with  that particular one ground.
By that all of  work  and effort  made to  create another ground would be worthless and  automatically assigned to category of NONSENSE

I hope you  understand it.
by  that 
Quote
Statement :
"if one part of structure is proven  not valid, the whole body stops to be valid."
The only condition  for its  existence for now is by accepting human error - but you Hoppy do not want to admit it?
Of course you do not want to admit it.


This is physics not  home kitchen and we use logic to  understand physics.
I was scrutinized the same way  during  past 30 years my friend.

Wesley

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 03, 2018, 04:46:53 PM
T-1000
I agree about particles injected, but first how they are injected and second : how they are created or maybe they are already here but dormant till excited (Don Smith).
In fact this could be as simple as photoelectric effect caused by concentrated "cosmic rays" - that is explanation of Henry Moray and Nikola Tesla. Cosmic radiation may be involved also indirectly, that's my hypothesis. Somebody with  knowledge and radio tools can easily prove Tesla radiant energy patent by using directed radio antenna, HV capacitor , HV diode or Avramenko plug and of course ground connection. Such experiments should already be in books. EM wave directed to polished and insulated metal plate connected to diode and one side of capacitor when other end is grounded should charge that cap (or AV plug used).

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 05:03:47 PM
We are dealing with two grounds and if both of them have been used  at the same time or one at the time  than hidden source of energy does not make any sense.!!!
I hope you  understand it.
by  that

Wesley


No I don't. You are taking the word 'hidden' out of context. I mean that its more likely to me that the source of energy driving the green box device is hidden out of sight to those people watching the demo. That is as defined - concealled from sight: to obstruct the view of; cover up.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 05:18:49 PM
No I don't. You are taking the word 'hidden' out of context. I mean that its more likely to me that the source of energy driving the green box device is hidden out of sight to those people watching the demo.
Please read my previous post again try to understand it.
I took all of your posts as reference point not only one to properly understand  it.
Please respond to my  previous post first  and mark it as answer to this particular post.
than
 respond to the my present post  and mark it as answer to this particular post.
include quotes you  disagree with

My comment in this post:
In your previous posts  I do not see wording "more likely" used by you - please point me  at that.

 Hoppy says:
Quote
I mean that its "more likely" to me that the source of energy driving the green box device is hidden out of sight to those people watching the demo.

if this "source of  energy" was hidden  "out of sight" than it must have physical connection  but you did not see  it as well as you did not see two ground connected at the same time.
by that  my last post remains valid and worth to be answered in the manner ( format) I   provide my answer to you.



by that  quote from below  reminds  valid till it loses its validation :

<blockquote>
Quote
Statement :
"if one part of structure is proven  not valid, the whole body stops to be valid."
The only condition  for its  existence for now is by accepting human error - but you Hoppy do not want to admit it?
</blockquote>


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 05:29:27 PM
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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 05:39:25 PM

 Hoppy says:if this "source of  energy" was hidden  "out of sight" than it must have physical connection  but you did not see  it as well as you did not see two ground connected at the same time.
by that  my last post remains valid and worth to be answered in the manner ( format) I   provide my answer to you.


Wesley

I posted a clip showing what I think could be the physical connection. Can you see a telluric or aetheric connection or is it hidden.  ;) Sorry if my formatting is not to your satisfaction. Good game.

I look forward to your next tranche of sketches on the theoretical modus operandi for the Kapanadze devices.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
I posted a clip showing what I think could be the physical connection. Can you see a telluric or aetheric connection or is it hidden.  ;) Sorry if my formatting is not to your satisfaction. Good game.

I look forward to your next tranche of sketches on the theoretical modus operandi for the Kapanadze devices.

" aetheric":
Quote
Some curious distance-phenomena connected with electric sparks were observed in 1875 by Edison (who referred them to a supposed new " aetheric force "), and confirmed by Beard, S.
This wording can be excluded  as phenomena in question have been  discarded by official science.  ( discarded: " no longer useful or desirable.")
the rest of remaining quote sounds like:
Quote
Can you see a telluric  connection or is it hidden

However  it is difficult to respond as we are talking in two different formats I do appreciate your answer:


Yes I can see presence of telluric current in  format that was  explained by me in form of two grounds, at this particular video ( https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474)  )
6V measured by clamp meter .
For these who do not understand  two ground connection please read my previous posts.
It was practically explained  in 1885 without having any theoretical knowledge of science at 2018. They just could see phenomena  and they could not explain  its nature.So they did their best ( year 1885)
that is why  picture from below  should be interpreted as:
- YES we practically see something in 1885
- Yes we know how to practically  use it in 1885
- NO  we interpret it  differently in 2018.

I  include again  picture  below

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 06:19:39 PM
[quote author=stivep link=topic=17735.msg522037#msg522037 date=1528041522Yes I can see presence of telluric current in  format that was  explained by me in form of two grounds, at this particular video ( https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474 (https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474)  )
6V measured by clamp meter .

Wesley

Hmm. A lost opportunity there by the guy to measure the current. Maybe that's why he was pulled away rather abruptly, as it could have given the game away!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 03, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
Guys,

Please be nice...  :)...
Don t forget we all have the same goal.

Free lunch


Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 07:07:56 PM
Guys,

Please be nice...  :) ...
Don t forget we all have the same goal.

Free lunch


Greetings
Yes you right  I'm very nice to Hoppy :)
Hoppy  says :
Quote
Hmm. A lost opportunity there by the guy to measure the current. Maybe that's why he was pulled away rather abruptly, as it could have given the game away!
You absolutely right as to the point of measurement of current.
You absolutely wrong  as to the pointing at  "game"- as water was flowing from the cold water pipe, and all of people around have had wet buts and/or standing on soil in question.
So if the sign of the voltage was the same  as the sign of the soil than the only remaining point of reference  was opposite sign  or opposite  potential  in reference.
If we  say that it was 6V than to give it 1kW it must have current drown  of 166.6A / per each  single kW/h

However if that 6V was pulsed(influenced and changed to become pulsed than simple means of transformation to 10 000V
to give it 1kW
1000W : 10 000V = 0.1A
per each kW/h

Maybe this could be understood by you Hoppy

OK I DID NOT PREVIOUSLY WANT TO SAY IT BUT YOU PUSHED ME:

We talking about 6V of telluric current and that 6V is now seen as per square meter  of soil around.All you need is  to  take square 100mX100m and calculate W/per square cm.
and now tqake the same picture in your head and picture it at three dimensions so now we are dealing with cubic cm   (
100m x 100m x 100m)
 As telluric current  does not flow in one single  wire but in all wide 3D area.

for you to better understand it I posted " funnel" maybe it will ring the bell for you 
Yes I did not want to say it but what a heck..

I'm still not violating  trust of  people whose intellectual property was given to me .
Please let me me know if you see this my dear Friend
 
OK free lunch
 
Wesley




   
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 03, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
Wesley,

I think its a good thing to get to the bottom of what we say/suggest/mean....  all in order to contribute the facts.
This will help the proces in total due we have optimist, critics, dreamers etc.

So again,... to clear all details in order to get the true bases of how this TK setup is working ( based on the vids) this is the only way ....
Hoppy might be one of the types who challenge the "hidden battery" at all time... i do think its good to have such opinion.

At the end of the day.... we did analysed all information and all frames of the vids which is shown us from the inventors.
End,...  most important ..  at the end we all will agree (hopefully we can determine by doing research as you do) how it is discussed.

It might costs some pages here in this thread,....  but at least we did not spend as much as Nick did in his thread ;D


Greetimgs
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 07:45:29 PM
Yes you right  I'm very nice to Hoppy :)
Hoppy  says :You absolutely right as to the point of measurement of current.
You absolutely wrong  as to the pointing at  "game"- as water was flowing from the cold water pipe, and all of people around have had wet buts and/or standing on soil in question.
So if the sign of the voltage was the same  as the sign of the soil than the only remaining point of reference  was opposite sign  or opposite  potential  in reference.
If we  say that it was 6V than to give it 1kW it must have current drown  of 166.6A / per each  single kW/h

OK free lunch
 
Wesley
 
Hi Apecore. Yes I'm being nice to Wesley on this hot and lazy Summer's afternoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8)
Not necessarily, Wesley. Kapanadze would obviously not have been stupid enough to use a potentially lethal voltage but around 50V would have provided enough current to transform to a higher voltage to light the lamps at much less than their rated power as seen in the video, especially when for some time they were barely lit! We don't know the sign and we don't know that the meter was reading an accurate voltage, especially if the device was causing interference to the supply line due to HF output pulsing. The guy was not suitably equipped to take meaningful measurements, or was given the opportunity to do so. You will know that incandescent lamps can appear surprisingly bright for the real power consumed if the voltage and frequency is carefully selected, especially halogens.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 07:56:52 PM
Hi Apecore. Yes I'm being nice to Wesley on this hot and lazy Summer's afternoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8)
Not necessarily, Wesley. Kapanadze would obviously not have been stupid enough to use a potentially lethal voltage but around 50V would have provided enough current to transform to a higher voltage to light the lamps at much less than their rated power as seen in the video, especially when for some time they were barely lit! We don't know the sign and we don't know that the meter was reading an accurate voltage, especially if the device was causing interference to the supply line due to HF output pulsing. The guy was not suitably equipped to take meaningful measurements, or was given the opportunity to do so. You will know that incandescent lamps can appear surprisingly bright for the real power consumed if the voltage and frequency is carefully selected, especially halogens.
Hoppy  just please take look at  drawing I have made  for you.
UP THERE -just one post above
do you see it?

and  I added another one pointing at cubic area
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 03, 2018, 09:09:20 PM

However if that 6V was pulsed(influenced and changed to become pulsed than simple means of transformation to 10 000V
to give it 1kW
1000W : 10 000V = 0.1A
per each kW/h



We talking about 6V of telluric current and that 6V is now seen as per square meter  of soil around.All you need is  to  take square 100mX100m and calculate W/per square cm.
As telluric current  does not flow in one single  wire but in all wide area.

for you to better understand it I posted " funnel" maybe it will ring the bell for you 
Yes I did not want to say it but what a heck..

I'm still not violating  trust of  people whose intellectual property was given to me .
Please let me me know if you see this my dear Friend
 
OK free lunch
 
Wesley

Yes, I do see it Wesley and certainly do not rule out telluric currents as the energy source. However, in the case of Kapanadze's green box setup, I cannot see how he could have 'farmed' enough current from his garden to produce a voltage differential beween ground electrodes of some 6V. Also, the video was indicating an AC reading if I remember correctly. I thought a telluric current voltage would be DC and likely affected by the device switching such that it would not have read accurately on the AC scale of a clamp meter? At this point in time, I do see the telluric current model as being far more likely than the energy source being aetheric but that a potential gradient does not necessarily have anything to do with 'sucking-up' telluric currents, roughly along the principle of the thermionic valve with grid being the centre capacitive plate.

Although, Kapanadze's videos have been viewed and analysed many times in the past, its been a case of - "my theory is better than yours" - attitude, resulting in little or know respectful in depth discussion to look at every possible method of operation, including faking. I therefore welcome this thread Wesley.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on June 03, 2018, 11:18:34 PM
Since this is Wesley's forum  I am listing two clips form a Russian man in South Korea that is now selling the magnet generators to all for 28 K.. UNLISTED
 as to the energy it's from magnets.. will provide more later..
Accca..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=5XsjdSooSnw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=5XsjdSooSnw)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tldhi6nG2Zg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tldhi6nG2Zg)
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 03, 2018, 11:19:37 PM
Tariel Kapanadze step by step   Tariel Kapanadze объяснение шаг за шагом.
 
1.The  cold water pipe run was  connected to network of street pipes
   that should be seen as contact area of every  cubic cm  of that pipe  network in 3D immersed in telluric flow.
   Трубопровод холодной воды был подключен к сети уличных труб, которые следует рассматривать как площадь контакта
   каждого кубического сантиметра этой трубопроводной сети в 3D, погруженной в теллурический поток


2. Nature of telluric current is not always uniform so clamp meter could be in AC but it was in DC.
(Well I'm also  not  dead sure.)

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: cheappower2012 on June 04, 2018, 01:10:00 AM
I see all kind of theories discussed,fact all of kapanadze devices operate at 50hz,in some devices
theres a frequency meter showing just that.In the green box video there is missing angles to show it could be real
this opens the door to people saying its a fake.The output in the green box video  is
220v ac,it goes thru a stepdown transformer to provide a dc current to loop the device.The 5 lights
operate at 1000 watts each so 5 equals 5 kilowatts output.Every time the arc jumps a very large pulse
is induced into the coil carrying 220 ac it is mixed with this pulse,this causes a digital voltmeter to not show an ac voltage reading correctly
as is shown in the video.In addition this particular clamp meter, has a defect where it can show a fake current reading
I have a clamp meter like in the video it has this defect,I also setup an experiment to show this effect and posted this a long time ago.There is no current from the ground connection
at all.Tariel uses tricks to fake people out,he pushes its a Tesla invention because people believe Tesla is a
god,so focus on Tesla and go around in circles,its not a Tesla invention nor has anything to do with Tesla.
Tariel wants to sell the idea of a free energy device,but will never reveal the secret,because you can't sell this device
so hes video's are not meant to fully prove hes devices are real only to convince the investor its real to rob him.
For hes devices to be real the sources of the energy have to be very powerful given the large currents
powering the various loads.Could it be fake,its possible it could be fake,however,Tariel must be a genius
in faking people out,or the people viewing hes devices are dumb as shit or it could be the devices are real,but operate in a completely different manner than any known device.I'm of the opinion they operate in a completely different manner,conventional theory will not work.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 04, 2018, 01:46:06 AM
I see all kind of theories discussed,fact all of kapanadze devices operate at 50hz,in some devices
theres a frequency meter showing just that.In the green box video there is missing angles to show it could be real
this opens the door to people saying its a fake.The output in the green box video  is
220v ac,it goes thru a stepdown transformer to provide a dc current to loop the device.The 5 lights
operate at 1000 watts each so 5 equals 5 kilowatts output.Every time the arc jumps a very large pulse
is induced into the coil carrying 220 ac it is mixed with this pulse,this causes a digital voltmeter to not show an ac voltage reading correctly
as is shown in the video.In addition this particular clamp meter, has a defect where it can show a fake current reading
I have a clamp meter like in the video it has this defect,I also setup an experiment to show this effect and posted this a long time ago.There is no current from the ground connection
at all.Tariel uses tricks to fake people out,he pushes its a Tesla invention because people believe Tesla is a
god,so focus on Tesla and go around in circles,its not a Tesla invention nor has anything to do with Tesla.
Tariel wants to sell the idea of a free energy device,but will never reveal the secret,because you can't sell this device
so hes video's are not meant to fully prove hes devices are real only to convince the investor its real to rob him.
For hes devices to be real the sources of the energy have to be very powerful given the large currents
powering the various loads.Could it be fake,its possible it could be fake,however,Tariel must be a genius
in faking people out,or the people viewing hes devices are dumb as shit or it could be the devices are real,but operate in a completely different manner than any known device.I'm of the opinion they operate in a completely different manner,conventional theory will not work.

Nice try my friend:
did  you come to these concussions by  yourself ? - or someone paid you for it? .. no offense just asking  <grin>
explanation of word :Concussion (-Traumatic Brain Injury)


Quote
In the green box video there is missing angles to show it could be real
this opens the door to people saying its a fake.
Statement is not substantiated  this is your rights to say it - just  your thought. (-an idea or opinion produced by thinking,)

Quote
all of kapanadze devices operate at 50hz
You can make any frequency  and any voltage of your choice  up to your desire.
Quote
Every time the arc jumps a very large pulse
is induced into the coil carrying 220 ac it is mixed with this pulse,this causes a digital voltmeter to not show an ac voltage reading correctly
as is shown in the video
that is actually very good sign. Again you can have any voltage at any frequency you wish to have.
 
Quote
Tariel uses tricks to fake people out,he pushes its a Tesla invention because people believe Tesla is a
god,so focus on Tesla and go around in circles,its not a Tesla invention nor has anything to do with Tesla.
Yes you would not possibly say  it about God right?
Statement is not substantiated  this is your rights to say it - just  your thought. (-an idea or opinion produced by thinking,)


Quote
In addition this particular clamp meter, has a defect where it can show a fake current reading
I have a clamp meter like in the video it has this defect,I also setup an experiment to show this effect and posted this a long time ago.There is no current from the ground connection
at all.
Please provide me with  model of this clamp meter and picture of it in your hand .
Statement: If you  had sexual intercourse and lack of erection that does not mean that  everyone who uses the same form of protection will have the same problems as you have experienced.
True or false?
by that you can not state as a fact that Tariel  clamp meter is malfunctioned .
True or false?


Quote
Tariel wants to sell the idea of a free energy device,but will never reveal the secret,because you can't sell this device
so hes video's are not meant to fully prove hes devices are real only to convince the investor its real to rob him.
I agree with you 100%
there is nothing wrong  to make money on anything that is your intellectual  property. Some people  who have some money  may decide to have more money-less approach.
 
Quote
For hes devices to be real the sources of the energy have to be very powerful given the large currents
powering the various loads
1. this is not true. I see that you did not bother yourself with analysis of my material and in particular my last drawing.
2. word   "hes" that  you used and in some of your other posts you use word "bifular" coil
- question: are you from Russia or Russian origin by the chance?


Quote
Could it be fake,its possible it could be fake,however,Tariel must be a genius
in faking people out,or the people viewing hes devices are dumb as shit or it could be the devices are real,but operate in a completely different manner than any known device.I'm of the opinion they operate in a completely different manner,conventional theory will not work.
Statement is not substantiated  this is your rights to say it - just  your thought. (-an idea or opinion produced by thinking,)

===================================================================================

 Your quote #8 :
Quote
Tesla is considered by many here as a god,very sickening,
there is no proof he invented free energy of anything.
Don't you have con men in your country?

question directed  to you my friend :Don't you have con men in your country?


Summary conclusions :
All of your 243 posts  are negative rejecting comments without substantial contribution of scientific contexts
Please point me at  just one - just single one  that does it.
Isn't it interesting? why? 


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 04, 2018, 09:30:17 AM
In the style of Wesley.  :) Boasting.

Finally I repaired it! Ancient spectrum analyzer, USSR, 1970s.
10 MHz - 40 GHz
It cost me a little money and a lot of work.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 04, 2018, 10:44:00 AM


Summary conclusions :
All of your 243 posts  are negative rejecting comments without substantial contribution of scientific contexts
Please point me at  just one - just single one  that does it.
Isn't it interesting? why? 


Wesley

Questions arising out of the previous discussions that need to be answered before facts can allow firm conclusions to be reached on the source and nature of energy used to power Kapanadze's 'Green Box' device: -
Has it been established beyond reasonable doubt: -

...that the clamp meter measured differential voltage of 6V is plausible between two grounded and similar electrodes spaced at a similar distance to that in the demo (tapped telluric current theory)?
...and that the clamp meter was fit for purpose and / or set in a mode not suited or able to accurately to measure any voltage present?
...that energy was not delivered by concealled cable from a location remote from the view of the crowd watching the demo?
...the actual energy consumed by the lamp array over the period the array was powered in KW/hrs.

Clearly, in my opinion and to date, none of these questions have been answered beyond reasonable doubt. So, maybe lets now move on to discuss and analyse the Kapanadze Aquarium 2 video footage.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: cheappower2012 on June 04, 2018, 10:53:15 AM
In both the green box video and the 2005 video he runs a stepdown transformer
with a bridge rectifier to provide feed back to loop the device,what voltage do you think
that transformer operates at and what  frequency.

The clamp meter I have is made by the same company as the one in the green
 box video,I bought it from harbor freight a while back.In the green box video your inducing large pulses,
why do you think he can't read 220 vac in a part of the video
,because the pulses cause false triggering in the meter.
Tariel is a very smart guy he must have discovered this fake current effect and used it to
create a wild goose chase.The arc ,spark gap and the large coil serve no purpose, its to fake you out that's related to something Tesla invented.

In one video he shows a 3 phase device in it ,there's a panel
that has a frequency meter it reads 50 Hz.


A certain Canadian guy presented a theory that the green box is fake
there is missing a few angles that would show hes theory would not work
however the green box video  is missing these angles this was not an intent
but simply there not shown,so it could be a fake device based on the video shown.
Figuring where things go from a video is hard if an angle view is missing.

I'm from the USA.

People tend to idolize Tesla and almost refer to him as a deity
this causes them to make mistakes.

Everything starts out as an opinion,is something plausible, is what I ask,
does this means its completely correct no ,but it is possible.
What the voltage is and what frequency is,is important as related to the type of load used.

I don't see you provide any scientific proof,your assuming that the
measurement of the ground current was correct,and speculating on that.
Since you don't know how hes device works,your no better than anyone else.I can see that your not open to new ideas and have an ego problem
also,so this will be my first and last post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqUyJwdfVk
Two frequency meters show the output is 50 HZ
here is a jpeg of one,its a 3 phase device


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: cheappower2012 on June 04, 2018, 10:56:30 AM
In both the green box video and the 2005 video he runs a stepdown transformer
with a bridge rectifier to provide feed back to loop the device,what voltage do you think
that transformer operates at and what  frequency.

The clamp meter I have is made by the same company as the one in the green
 box video,I bought it from harbor freight a while back.In the green box video your inducing large pulses,
why do you think he can't read 220 vac in a part of the video
,because the pulses cause false triggering in the meter.
Tariel is a very smart guy he must have discovered this fake current effect and used it to
create a wild goose chase.The arc ,spark gap and the large coil serve no purpose, its to fake you out that's related to something Tesla invented.

In one video he shows a 3 phase device in it ,there's a panel
that has a frequency meter it reads 50 Hz.


A certain Canadian guy presented a theory that the green box is fake
there is missing a few angles that would show hes theory would not work
however the green box video  is missing these angles this was not an intent
but simply there not shown,so it could be a fake device based on the video shown.
Figuring where things go from a video is hard if an angle view is missing.

I'm from the USA.

People tend to idolize Tesla and almost refer to him as a deity
this causes them to make mistakes.

Everything starts out as an opinion,is something plausible, is what I ask,
does this means its completely correct no ,but it is possible.
What the voltage is and what frequency is,is important as related to the type of load used.

I don't see you provide any scientific proof,your assuming that the
measurement of the ground current was correct,and speculating on that.
Since you don't know how hes device works,your no better than anyone else.I can see that your not open to new ideas and have an ego problem
also,so this will be my first and last post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqUyJwdfVk
Two frequency meters show the output is 50 HZ
here is a jpeg of one,its a 3 phase device


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 04, 2018, 11:25:07 AM

A certain Canadian guy presented a theory that the green box is fake
there is missing a few angles that would show hes theory would not work
however the green box video  is missing these angles this was not an intent
but simply there not shown,so it could be a fake device based on the video shown.
Figuring where things go from a video is hard if an angle view is missing.

Hi Cheappower,
Firstly could you please delete one of the duplicated posts above.
I'm not understanding what you are saying in respect of the Canadian guys theory. Who is being referred to where you write: "that would show hes theory would not work"?

I hope by now that we all understand that we are discussing theories, not facts in respect of how Kapanadze's devices operate and are powered. I could just as easily post a tranche of sketches on how I see the green box device being faked but that would prove nothing more, or be any more viable than Wesley's sketches re his telluric current theory.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 04, 2018, 12:06:17 PM
If you want to understand Kapanadze you must see all videos of all devices together then search for missing answers in Barbosa&Leal patents. Wesley is partially correct , it's the flow of energy which exists around us, differently explained by various inventors. Some said about telluric currents, some about atmospheric electricity (even Figuera !) some about Earth magnetic field, some about cosmic rays or strange "aetheric force".
THEY ARE COMBINED , that's why we can't find the proper theory. We have situation of multiple energy sources and effects. Add to it possibility that magnetic field is a flow of stead state energy from different space-time and you see what a mess we have to explain !
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on June 04, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
All is possible. Tariel can be a fake, but when you make judgements like that then you need to review all the evidence and not just the ones that prove YOUR theory.

Tariel had his secret out already in the old German news video where he was building his flywheel motor. He starts it with a battery and then it powers itself. Well people don't look at the device that is taking the battery charge. That is the whole secret.

Tariel had to demonstrate his device on an island that has no grid. I think the ground connection was poor, but he still pulls out like 3kW. He did not know the day before where they would take him, so no time to bury batteries across the island...

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 04, 2018, 12:54:26 PM
Add to it possibility that magnetic field is a flow of stead state energy from different space-time and you see what a mess we have to explain !
This is good in theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism)
But how to this theory solder transistors and light bulbs?  >:( It does not matter who and how, Tariel or someone else will start the topic and tell how to do it somehow.
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 04, 2018, 01:34:19 PM
This is good in theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism)
But how to this theory solder transistors and light bulbs?  >:( It does not matter who and how, Tariel or someone else will start the topic and tell how to do it somehow.
if that is so, look no further than a Don Smith circuit and device lay out, if what you say works for you  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 04, 2018, 01:37:52 PM
All is possible. Tariel can be a fake, but when you make judgements like that then you need to review all the evidence and not just the ones that prove YOUR theory.

Tariel had his secret out already in the old German news video where he was building his flywheel motor. He starts it with a battery and then it powers itself. Well people don't look at the device that is taking the battery charge. That is the whole secret.

Tariel had to demonstrate his device on an island that has no grid. I think the ground connection was poor, but he still pulls out like 3kW. He did not know the day before where they would take him, so no time to bury batteries across the island...
yes a good point, where better to see this than in the Dally TK tread, have you tried it ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on June 04, 2018, 02:27:39 PM
yes a good point, where better to see this than in this tread, have you tried it ?

I am building a different type of device than what Tariel/Dally have. I have so little time to experiment that I had to drop my projects down to just one :(

Then I decided to start experimenting on a device that is based on a principle that I can understand. It is easier to work with when you don't have to blindly follow schematics and you got no clue how the device actually works...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 04, 2018, 03:03:14 PM
All is possible. Tariel can be a fake, but when you make judgements like that then you need to review all the evidence and not just the ones that prove YOUR theory.

Fair comment but in this age of image manipulation and advanced magic techniques, it becomes almost impossible to separate reality from illusion. Evidence will always be suspect when sourced from videos, which is why I believe our discussions are restricted to opinions only on how and why any claimed self-runner video demo may be genuine or not. This is the purpose of these threads, to express our opinions but at the same time being careful to avoid expressing those opinions as facts.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: SolarLab on June 05, 2018, 07:13:49 PM
F.Y.I.

Some more General Thoughts:

(a). A narrow HV pulse, or a series of narrow HV pulses, sets up (causes) a standing or
traveling wave in an adjacent long line; this wave is at "wave resonant" high frequency
(KHz or MHz) and is maintained by the narrow pulse(s).

(b). Additionally; the pulse generation mechanism requires an energy cost of, say, 1 unit;
and the pulse-to-long-line "influence" is very efficient (electrodynamics => no current
required, therefore little, or no, I^2*R (power) losses).

(c). A 1 unit energy cost, for example, creates a magnetic wave that might yield 0.9
energy units (90% efficient); BUT

(d). The long line is wave resonant, thus, the traveling or standing wave might/will repeat
many times (like a "ringing" bell does at it's natural resonant frequency; even though it is
struck by a hammer (pulse) only one time).

(e). Long Line quality factor, or "Q" [reactance combined with (minimal) resistive loss
determines the amount of "rings" you obtain before you need to pulse the line again.
Lets say the line has a "high Q" and we get 11 usable rings; now we have obtained a
"yield," or surplus, of 10 units - 1 unit "in" gives 11 units "out" - on it's face a gain of 10.

Just "Ball Park" figuring of course; plus this does not include, or account for, the dV/dt
pulse and other contributions.

(f). There can be lots and lots of things at play here; some unavoidable interactions will
be positive and some negative. So, in the beginning, during and in the end, maybe a little
disciplined technical analysis (intuition, experimentation and math modelling) certainly
wouldn't hurt!

(g). The small bits will add up - recall rolling a tyre down the road with a stick! Pushing
your sister on a swing! Or, better yet, pumping yourself on the swing - a little input pulse
can yield a lot of sustained output. An open-loop system and some precise timing! Just
need a battery, or a good push, to get it all started...

Energy Transfer mechanism (model): from the HFosc => LFosc [good question].

Recall; we have a 50/60Hz wave and we want to "add energy" to it using a high frequency
(pulses induced HF) wave signal. Reference: Ruslan, Kapanadze devices.

Mechanics of the Low Frequency [LF} (50Hz Osc) and High Frequency [HF] (KHz/Mhz Osc)
Energy Transfer between systems - One possibility of "How does the HF contribute
energy to the LF?"

Coupled Oscillators - Awesome Coupled Oscillators Physics Demonstration
by: NPS Physics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaQr6YOVnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaQr6YOVnk)

Coupled Oscillators - Energy Transfer between systems - from a math prospective.
Coupled Oscillators  by: Steve Spicklemire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZkKPtgTeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZkKPtgTeA)

Ultimate goal is sustained, stable, system operation!

Note: Give a person a fish and he can eat for a day; teach a person to learn how to
 fish and ... well, you know the rest...

Again, however, just a few thoughts - that and $5.00 might even get you a coffee!

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 05, 2018, 10:31:31 PM
F.Y.I.

Some more General Thoughts:

(a). A narrow HV pulse, or a series of narrow HV pulses, sets up (causes) a standing or
traveling wave in an adjacent long line; this wave is at "wave resonant" high frequency
(KHz or MHz) and is maintained by the narrow pulse(s).

(b). Additionally; the pulse generation mechanism requires an energy cost of, say, 1 unit;
and the pulse-to-long-line "influence" is very efficient (electrodynamics => no current
required, therefore little, or no, I^2*R (power) losses).

(c). A 1 unit energy cost, for example, creates a magnetic wave that might yield 0.9
energy units (90% efficient); BUT

(d). The long line is wave resonant, thus, the traveling or standing wave might/will repeat
many times (like a "ringing" bell does at it's natural resonant frequency; even though it is
struck by a hammer (pulse) only one time).

(e). Long Line quality factor, or "Q" [reactance combined with (minimal) resistive loss
determines the amount of "rings" you obtain before you need to pulse the line again.
Lets say the line has a "high Q" and we get 11 usable rings; now we have obtained a
"yield," or surplus, of 10 units - 1 unit "in" gives 11 units "out" - on it's face a gain of 10.

Just "Ball Park" figuring of course; plus this does not include, or account for, the dV/dt
pulse and other contributions.

(f). There can be lots and lots of things at play here; some unavoidable interactions will
be positive and some negative. So, in the beginning, during and in the end, maybe a little
disciplined technical analysis (intuition, experimentation and math modelling) certainly
wouldn't hurt!

(g). The small bits will add up - recall rolling a tyre down the road with a stick! Pushing
your sister on a swing! Or, better yet, pumping yourself on the swing - a little input pulse
can yield a lot of sustained output. An open-loop system and some precise timing! Just
need a battery, or a good push, to get it all started...

Energy Transfer mechanism (model): from the HFosc => LFosc [good question].

Recall; we have a 50/60Hz wave and we want to "add energy" to it using a high frequency
(pulses induced HF) wave signal. Reference: Ruslan, Kapanadze devices.

Mechanics of the Low Frequency [LF} (50Hz Osc) and High Frequency [HF] (KHz/Mhz Osc)
Energy Transfer between systems - One possibility of "How does the HF contribute
energy to the LF?"

Coupled Oscillators - Awesome Coupled Oscillators Physics Demonstration
by: NPS Physics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaQr6YOVnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaQr6YOVnk)

Coupled Oscillators - Energy Transfer between systems - from a math prospective.
Coupled Oscillators  by: Steve Spicklemire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZkKPtgTeA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZkKPtgTeA)

Ultimate goal is sustained, stable, system operation!

Note: Give a person a fish and he can eat for a day; teach a person to learn how to
 fish and ... well, you know the rest...

Again, however, just a few thoughts - that and $5.00 might even get you a coffee!

FIN
quick answer. You are frickin' good  my friend.
As far As intellectual property is involved I can only say as much as
I'm allowed to say but when you guys get to the next  step than it is not my fault.
By that I may admit it or stay silent.
Congratulation  you have moved in to the next level .
Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential.
that is why Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components of  frequencies from Hz to GHz
The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that bandwidth
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 06, 2018, 01:57:15 AM
Yes really good work unraveling and explaining that explanation, 'good' work.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: SolarLab on June 07, 2018, 05:01:41 AM
F.Y.I.

stivep - a couple of clarifications!

Referring to the "Long Wire" in my discussion above I use the definition found
on Gorchilin's web page, also noted there as "DL" or "long wire."
Generally it would be a multi-layer Coil, but it can take many forms (grenade coil or,
for example, the "Blue coil". Not the ground interconnect wire, at the system ground
point there are many ways to create a mis-match that will cause a reflection, also
see below regarding the ground wire length versus wavelength versus frequency.

From: http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en (http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en)  The Equation of the
standing wave
; to quote from the text there "To represent momentum in a long line (DL)
will use the standard expression for ..."

You seem to infer from your post that my nomenclature use of "long wire" refers to
the "ground wire" shown in your embedded picture. Not correct - it is the coil, or equivalent,
 wherein the standing or traveling wave resides.

Quote, your comments:
"Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential. that is why
Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components
of  frequencies from Hz to GHz  The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the
top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that
bandwidth"

Note: At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave with a dielectric
equivalent to coax (70% velocity of propagation - 209854720.6 m/s) the length would need to be
near 2623.1840075 meters long
(2.62 Km). Unless, of course, I'm missing something?

Gorchilin does a very good job of explaining, both mathematically and by example, what the
preferred requirements are with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements) and
it's affect on Standing Wave generation - of note is the even harmonic requirement to turn a
standing wave into a traveling wave - this is an important consideration in this type of device.

Also, I'm not sure what/how your pulse reference diagram equates exactly - with the center at a
0 voltage level it would add on the positive half cycle and subtract on the negative half cycle.
But, maybe there's more to it that can't be shared (intellectual or proprietary property) perhaps;
you may need some type of level shifting or diode clipping of the pulse waveform?

Hey, not criticizing or nit-picking, just trying to keep the BS in check a bit  ???

Anyway, keep at it and good luck...

FIN
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 07, 2018, 07:07:27 PM
F.Y.I.

stivep - a couple of clarifications!

Referring to the "Long Wire" in my discussion above I use the definition found
on Gorchilin's web page, also noted there as "DL" or "long wire."
Generally it would be a multi-layer Coil, but it can take many forms (grenade coil or,
for example, the "Blue coil". Not the ground interconnect wire, at the system ground
point there are many ways to create a mis-match that will cause a reflection, also
see below regarding the ground wire length versus wavelength versus frequency.

From: http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en (http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en)  The Equation of the
standing wave
; to quote from the text there "To represent momentum in a long line (DL)
will use the standard expression for ..."

You seem to infer from your post that my nomenclature use of "long wire" refers to
the "ground wire" shown in your embedded picture. Not correct - it is the coil, or equivalent,
 wherein the standing or traveling wave resides.

Quote, your comments:
"Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential. that is why
Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components
of  frequencies from Hz to GHz  The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the
top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that
bandwidth"

Note: At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave with a dielectric
equivalent to coax (70% velocity of propagation - 209854720.6 m/s) the length would need to be
near 2623.1840075 meters long
(2.62 Km). Unless, of course, I'm missing something?

Gorchilin does a very good job of explaining, both mathematically and by example, what the
preferred requirements are with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements) and
it's affect on Standing Wave generation - of note is the even harmonic requirement to turn a
standing wave into a traveling wave - this is an important consideration in this type of device.

Also, I'm not sure what/how your pulse reference diagram equates exactly - with the center at a
0 voltage level it would add on the positive half cycle and subtract on the negative half cycle.
But, maybe there's more to it that can't be shared (intellectual or proprietary property) perhaps;
you may need some type of level shifting or diode clipping of the pulse waveform?

Hey, not criticizing or nit-picking, just trying to keep the BS in check a bit  ???

Anyway, keep at it and good luck...

FIN
I'm sorry but  I have problem with  Gorchilin article from theoretical science point of view and  wording used.
 I can point at few moments but fallowing even  partial bullshit is to much  waste of time  to me .
Gorchilin does  not  do a very good job  with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements)  and conversion mechanism .
However everyone's thoughts may lead to valuable conclusions of another guy.

Quote
"More Amps noticed"
-  not acceptable   descriptors
"
Quote
What if one of the forces, for example magnetic, will form a standing wave,"
- it can't happen, it is impossible to happened.  both  electric and magnetic  field are not separable,  and can not be independent, in this case.
This  particular Russian text might of have some  of value  but I did not   fallow it since it started with garbage.



look here:
Quote
Is it possible to create only a magnetic wave?
... from separation of Electromagnetic Wave..
Answer:
NO
......  A changing  magnetic field (wave) will generate  changing  electric field  due to  Maxwell's  equations https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38370/is-it-possible-to-create-only-a-magnetic-wave (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38370/is-it-possible-to-create-only-a-magnetic-wave)
On paper you can  make horse and ask question what if that horse has  5 legs.
Your math will beautifully calculate it  . I hope you understand it.

 

This is  how  mentioned  opening paragraph of  Gorchilin article should look like:

In an electromagnetic field, the directions in which the electric and magnetic field move, are perpendicular to each other. 
The units which represent the strengths of the electric and magnetic field are also different.
The strength of the magnetic field is represented by either Gauss or Tesla.



Quantum mechanics  contains  a module  known as classical mechanics  and seems  like
Gorchilin has a problem with it.
You may use classical  mechanics to explain certain quantum phenomena only as graphical/ visual form of presentation.
As a fact the process of conversion of transverse waves into longitudinal   can be only made 
by means of:
- converter e.g ...- coil of electromagnetic relay whose  armature  mechanically responds to  magnetic  flux.
I see him very good in classical  fields . Some of Gorchilin ideas are interesting . And he has definitely beautiful site.



SolarLab:
 
Quote
At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave.... need to be
near 2.6 Km) long. .

I spend so much time to explain capacitive reactance an inductive reactance i resonance circuit
but you still did not get it.
Please  refer  yourself to impedance and its properties, but try to do not use Russian books as they may 
be incorrect .

Statement : Any piece of single conductor  having any length  can be tuned to any frequency of your choice  by means of   its inductively reactant  component interacting with capacitive reactance of  its own  or another capacitance or  additional capacitor in   resonance circuit.
Result: Your point  is invalid.

capacitive reactance in loop antenna makes it to be  high voltage mow current ( look at
Smith  CHART


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 07, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
F.Y.I.

stivep - a couple of clarifications!

Referring to the "Long Wire" in my discussion above I use the definition found
on Gorchilin's web page, also noted there as "DL" or "long wire."
Generally it would be a multi-layer Coil, but it can take many forms (grenade coil or,
for example, the "Blue coil". Not the ground interconnect wire, at the system ground
point there are many ways to create a mis-match that will cause a reflection, also
see below regarding the ground wire length versus wavelength versus frequency.

From: http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en (http://gorchilin.com/articles/free/magnetic?lang=en)  The Equation of the
standing wave
; to quote from the text there "To represent momentum in a long line (DL)
will use the standard expression for ..."

You seem to infer from your post that my nomenclature use of "long wire" refers to
the "ground wire" shown in your embedded picture. Not correct - it is the coil, or equivalent,
 wherein the standing or traveling wave resides.

Quote, your comments:
"Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential. that is why
Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components
of  frequencies from Hz to GHz  The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the
top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that
bandwidth"

Note: At 20 KHz, to tune the "ground" wire to even a quarter (1/4) wave with a dielectric
equivalent to coax (70% velocity of propagation - 209854720.6 m/s) the length would need to be
near 2623.1840075 meters long
(2.62 Km). Unless, of course, I'm missing something?

Gorchilin does a very good job of explaining, both mathematically and by example, what the
preferred requirements are with respect to pulse shape (including harmonic requirements) and
it's affect on Standing Wave generation - of note is the even harmonic requirement to turn a
standing wave into a traveling wave - this is an important consideration in this type of device.

Also, I'm not sure what/how your pulse reference diagram equates exactly - with the center at a
0 voltage level it would add on the positive half cycle and subtract on the negative half cycle.
But, maybe there's more to it that can't be shared (intellectual or proprietary property) perhaps;
you may need some type of level shifting or diode clipping of the pulse waveform?

Hey, not criticizing or nit-picking, just trying to keep the BS in check a bit  ???

Anyway, keep at it and good luck...

FIN

Hi SolarLab,

Before we get lost in endless discussions about a persons way of formulating his understanding i would make a little roundup about your effective 2nd level statements.
I hope you can correct me/ help me to get a launch platform from where we can act at the bench?

your point a)...  pulsing to get the standing wave..
This is the will be the LC resonance frequenty of the coil.
 In order to get effect (d) the wave needs to bounch back and forward .... so the wirelength has to fit in wavelength frequenty (a)

F.e. 37.5m gives a quarterwave frequenty of 2.0MHz,...  the LC resonance frequenty should be 2.0MHz.....  so pulsing (a) will generate the 2.0MHz


In my opinion the groundline adjustment is only used when the LC resonance frequenty is lower then the wirelength wavelength


In your second post,..  you added some vid and you explanained about coupled oscilators.

Inductor loop and Kacher coil are two differen oscilators
So we need to find the most effective frequenty combination in order to get the energy transferr.

Is this maybe the short summary of your toughts?


Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 08, 2018, 12:10:44 AM
F.Y.I.


A few quick points:
We talking about electromagnetic  wave:
"both electric and magnetic fields are not separable, and can not be separated,
and both of  the fields  can not become independent, in this case."
I gave you link  to it why you did not  look at it Solar
Lab?
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38370/is-it-possible-to-create-only-a-magnetic-wave (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/38370/is-it-possible-to-create-only-a-magnetic-wave)
So you wrong and you intend to be wrong in this area.  fine with me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We talking about electromagnetic  wave


Solar Lab:
Quote
I know from proven experimental fact that
electric and magnetic fields are two separate entities and they can be totally independent.
Wesley response:
Not they are not  in regards to electromagnetic field and electromagnetic wave.
If you think different provide me with link  to your Solar Lab "proven facts."
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We talking about electromagnetic  wave
Your  note about magnet is invalid
MAGNET HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH electromagnetic WAVE
(magnetite), or any  magnet  is an enclosed magnetic field that does not perform any work !!
https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another (https://www.quora.com/If-magnetic-fields-cant-do-work-how-can-one-magnet-physically-move-another)
AGAIN YOUR POINT IS INVALID.

We talking about electromagnetic  wave and electromagnetic  field  according to paper  of this russian  fellow.
So magnet does not apply here.
Your point is invalid.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We talking about electromagnetic  wave
Vandergraph generator, is not in any way  a separator of electric and magnetic fields of electromagnetic wave.
Your point is invalid.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
an aircraft or aerostat in flight:  is not in any way  a separator of electric and magnetic fields of electromagnetic wave.
Your point is invalid.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Statement :you can not separate electric field from magnetic field  in
electromagnetic wave.
You can not create magnetic wave out of  electromagnetic wave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SolarLab  wrote:
Quote
the list goes on and on, but I don't want to waist too much
time listing them all.
you already wasted a lot of space here
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Simple solution to  your problem :
Give me links to your proven facts. and check my links of  facts.


Solar Lab  wrote:
Quote
Standing wave (you call it traversal) to Traveling wave conversion; "can be only made
by means of: - converter..."  WOW, that's a good one!
Yes sir all electromagnetic waves are transversal
Longitudinal Traveling wave  or any form of longitudinal waves are  mechanical waves.
electromagnetic  transverse wave can become mechanical by means of conversion in converter .
as described  in my previous post,.
That process is not reversible.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
currently I have in my lab 6 NVA all of them with Smith Chart.Pictures on request.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 08, 2018, 07:27:47 AM
I don't see why you both argue. You are both correct. There is no EM wave without both components : electric and magnetic but the way it can be made make many variations.
Nature is replicating the same pattern, so if there is polarised or coherent light then it must be the same for every EM band.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 08, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Oh dear, the asylum has relocated!!  :( Try to be nice to each other and get back on topic. I think we should be moving onto discussing the Kapanadze Aqua 2 pile of junk, not showing how one's kit is bigger and better.  ::)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 08, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
American equipment of the 1990s.
It will take several years until you learn to work with these devices, and understand what they show. There is no certainty that they are 100% in good condition.

HP 4194A Impedance / Gain Phase Analyzer - 100 MHz - not very much.
http://www.testequipmentdepot.com/usedequipment/hewlettpackard/impedanceanalyzers/4194a.htm

There are no such devices on Kapanadze's video. Or they do not need him, "the truth is somewhere near."
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 08, 2018, 10:16:40 AM
Oh come on fellers put the flags down and stop eating the red meat, there is only one planet and we all live on it, i'm not into
all this mind games 'shit', lets all be pals and get on with the job Zero point eradication of the 'word' Carbage  ;D ;D eat too much and
one ends up full of shit  add beef and what do you get ;D ;D ;D

Any way jokes apart lets get back to what works, Any chance Lads ??????
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 08, 2018, 12:09:20 PM
Hi Wesley,

Besides the meaningless shit throwing and wasting of forum database bytes are you doing ok?
I m a little concerned.

Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 08, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
American equipment of the 1990s.
It will take several years until you learn to work with these devices, and understand what they show.
There is no certainty that they are 100% in good condition.
HP 4194A Impedance / Gain Phase Analyzer - 100 MHz - not very much.
There are no such devices on Kapanadze's video. Or they do not need him, "the truth is somewhere near."


There is no certainty that they are 100% in good condition.

Every lab I was visiting, or working at has  instruments from  years 1850 - 2017.
Lab  is a collection of tools that can be used  mostly, once per few years or  1 per its life time - depends on  application.
It will take several minutes for me to recall how to use each one of over 500 instruments in my  first lab.
It will take little more  for me to recall how to use each one of instruments in my  second lab.
It will take definitely  more than that  for me to recall how to use each one of  machines in my mechanical lab including CNC lathe/mills and section of coil winders .
It will take definitely  quite few hours, and  often sometime days, for me to recall , setup, calibrate and use each one of  instruments in my  particle,cryogenic, lab  .
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Wesley   
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 08, 2018, 03:06:39 PM
Wesley We comprehend what your saying but it's a question of hard cash China has it and it's for sale at the right price and it works.
With out China, control would be the rule of many by the few at the expense of the many.
Not every one will have a consciousness on this illusion in 30 years, my friend.
Any chance of spilling the beans a bit quicker ? :)

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 08, 2018, 07:56:50 PM
Wesley We comprehend what your saying but it's a question of hard cash China has it and it's for sale at the right price and it works.
With out China, control would be the rule of many by the few at the expense of the many.
Not every one will have a consciousness on this illusion in 30 years, my friend.
Any chance of spilling the beans a bit quicker ? :)

AG
I agree
I do not exclude that some of  equipment  is going to be replaced or added.
If you pay right amount of money you may have somewhat
good Chinese, but not  tractable to the  bureau equipment
 - if  that is what  matters to you. \\\

Please do not confuse yourself with  assembled in China with brands of  Japanning,  American or other manufacturers
whose  branches  operates on Chinese land.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 09, 2018, 12:17:38 AM
I agree

Please do not confuse yourself with  assembled in China with brands of  Japanning,  American or other manufacturers
whose  branches  operates on Chinese land.

Wesley
Not at all, they are all at it, you will be lucky if you can find anything these days that's not been got at be it!
Be it test equipment to car parts and the moon disclosure. Yes America as well! ;D ;D ;D ;D

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 09, 2018, 02:02:01 AM
Ok let's come back to  our discussion:
it is good if you  go to
clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine
than switch to
http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.htm (http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.htm)
http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov2.htm (http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov2.htm)

and look at schematic below
more information you going to find  at
label of  schematic  indicates 1600 W Kapanadze generator  that is very much alike Frolov circuit.
The point I try to maintain is that in all of Kapanadze devices he used the same mechanism of energy conversion.
It is  of course attempt from my side to stick to it
If you have  more about Frolov  on hand it will help. I just need to dig in my data base to find it.




There are many ways to use mechanism   promoted by me  in earlier posts.
I try to  recall  some of existing art ..

Фролов Александр Владимирович
http://www.faraday.ru/ (http://www.faraday.ru/)
https://www.youtube.com/user/AlexanderFrolov2509/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/AlexanderFrolov2509/videos)

This video is related to schematic  below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFgAfSXNt8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFgAfSXNt8)
 material indicated  on this video  OPENS AS :
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg189076/
OR:
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg189076/#msg189076

Please note that every flyback transformer has gap in the  ferrite core. And that makes it  to act as temporary  energy storage device.
You may find the same similarity in Lithuania experiment   yoke and in Andrey Mielnichenko  transformer /.
You may adjust  to your application  gap between two halves of the ferrite core/ or  any transformer  core made of any material at any frequency.

Wesley
 
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 09, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
That was a long time ago... :'( Here is the original, "first release":

https://www.skif.biz/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=106822#106822 (https://www.skif.biz/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=106822#106822)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 09, 2018, 04:07:53 PM
Thank you Sergh for your help in obtaining original text.



Note:
when reading and comparing text below - please look at added by me , symbols on both of the  drawings.
e.g. "all assembly"  and "impulse transformer " is shown on lower drawing.
Note:
word"cтpoчник" is not translated  I need help  to translate it .

================================================================

Wesley's translation of original Russian text :

Niki said that   in the box one of elements  was  capacitor C 20uF 1000V
Taking to consideration all of variables / theories, here you have how  it should/ may look like.
 Any kind of HV, made by any kind of  self generating circuit or  generator.
( Wesley:  Colpitts, Meisner    and so on..)
Or generator made from computer  Power Supply (PS)  that has Transformer
of which secondary winding we  are able to take 1-3kV. 
   
Wesley: From that phrase just memorize - ANY HV SOURCE OF IMPULSES
but it could be also coming  straight from HV transformer and such transformer can be powered by  any impulse generator of out choice.

That  voltage 1-3kV from above is rectified  by diode D and charges  bank of capacitors C connected in parallel - model 20kV.  Model K15-1Y  or  20KVI-3  ( ~4700pF)
Wesley: This is not critical.Important is just max V and experimentally  set  capacitance.

At 3kV  we start to see  spark in spark gap.
That spark  makes capacitor  to discharge thru ONE WIND coil  of impulse transformer .
Core of this impulse transformer  is made from 5  ferrites ( от cтpoчникoв) I think   cтpoчник=welder ?/ relay?.( help in translation needed)
Secondary  of this impulse transformer is made  from 3-4 winds of fat  copper wire  from welding machine.
And from this secondary winding impulse  goes to ground #1 and by capacitor 20uF in resonance circuit into  ground #2.
Wesley's comment:
Proper wording should be:..  by resonance circuit working at 50Hz and made from coil and capacitor.


Polarity of impulses on both  grounds will be opposite in any given time frame.
Current of  an impulse  will be quite high and length  of signals will be very short
Another words short enough to not be able to act as shunt  in that distance of the ground(~10m) between  ground#1 and ground #2.
Wesley's comment:  Here (below) we have somewhat improper  terminology but
I will try to stick to it.
(That) impulse (from above) is propagating  in form  of electromagnetic waves in different directions from the ground/ of that ground/ in the ground.

---------------------

In Near Field  of Tx-Transmitting antenna, in the distance that is shorter than  one wavelength,  based on evidence  of our experimental  data UWB-CCHP, we see that we have presence of the same  single polarity of the impulse.
Wesley's comment: so we have continuously present  +  or -

And only after that, this signal  becomes  in its from  an electromagnetic wave. 
Because of that -this   (lets call it- "singularly") polarized wave will be spread , and travel  in this from up to certain distance from that point.   
Wesley's comment:
Polarization of EM  will be explained by me  if  requested. (e.g  longitudinally, vertically  helically  polarized )


That is because we have strong absorption of electromagnetic energy by the ground to such point that there would not be repeated  oscillations ( bounced EM)
Both of  the ground rods  including each of these ground rods  surrounding  areas will differ in  charge level.
Wesley's comment: they will not be at the same level of potential.

Now we see that because  of it we have flow of the current  between two grounds .

Wesley's  wording used  but  the sense of original  text is  translated  exactly  in  the way it was written:

If we now tune  the distance between electrodes of  spark gap  in such a way that  it will have the highest amplitude of resonance  of plasma flow  at 50Hz ( please do not confuse it  with visual intensity  of plasma),
and:
after we done that, we now tune   to the same frequency resonance circuit ( L+C1 ~20uF/1000V) transformer ( means all assembly)
After we done  that, we should be  able to see  presence of optimal level of electrical  energy  flow between and around area occupied by both  of the ground rods.

Now  we need to mention few details:
-it is quite possible that spark gap frequency should be twice as big (2x).
But since both of these( 2x)  doubled  of each of period of impulse are made of  opposite polarity half of periods, - accumulation of the charge is done wit different polarity is such a way   that  it becomes synchronized with  current  flowing in load R.
Or we can add additional circuit   that will make capacitor  0.1uf model  KVI K15-1Y  - C
 to be charged  one time with   positive and one time with negative polarity  of  half  periods.
For these who knows  inductance of primary  winding / secondary winding of some of small  welding transformer you may check if you would be able to  get  resonance at 50hz  when you have connected in parallel  C1   20uf capacitor?   
 
Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 10, 2018, 09:42:08 PM

Dropbox :since this is more like diary or  storage box I will store here some handy  links that I found to be interesting or important.
So this  is my :

Dropbox #1
High Voltage Electrostatics:  http://www.keelynet.com/ (http://www.keelynet.com/)
-intro to electets: 
 htthttp://www.keelynet.com/electret.htmp://www.keelynet.com/indexjan16.html


-Self-Generating Electrical Discharge  Alexander V. Frolov :
http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.htm (http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov1.htm)
http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov2.htm (http://keelynet.com/energy/frolov2.htm)

http://www.rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm)                             Plasmatron (this link is partially BS  but has important information)
http://revolution-green.com/high-power-electrostatic-motor-95-efficency/ (http://revolution-green.com/high-power-electrostatic-motor-95-efficency/)     High Power Electrostatic Motor with 95% Efficency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6oAZi8Cc5I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6oAZi8Cc5I) 
three components  we need :
1.electrical  motor 1 or 3 ph.
2. capacitor
3. diode
all of them are present  in the video.
The guy has no idea  about (conditions and components needed):
a. resonance frequency
b.  two grounds ,
But he has Variable Frequency Drives VFD
to get  anything  is needed.
(this video in in relation  with material from above)

https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg400411/#msg400411  Solar Lab reference links.



Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on June 10, 2018, 11:25:03 PM
Wesley, have you ever tried to run an electrostatic motor, of any design, in a vacuum?

If so , what was the actual pressure of your "vacuum" and how did you power the motor and how did you measure its torque?


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 11, 2018, 12:17:24 AM
Tinsel your a clever guy! any idea how I can generate a 9hz stand alone tone from a freely available crystal by division or knocking out bits ?
Since 9hz appears to be a resonant spacial lock on frequency rather than 8hz, the Don Smith device for one at 35.1khz.

Many thanks
ag
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on June 11, 2018, 03:13:22 AM
Tinsel your a clever guy! any idea how I can generate a 9hz stand alone tone from a freely available crystal by division or knocking out bits ?
Since 9hz appears to be a resonant spacial lock on frequency rather than 8hz, the Don Smith device for one at 35.1khz.

Many thanks
ag
Uh huh. I see you posted a link to my "subharmonic" demonstration video... but the message was lost on the target audience. Oh well.


Meanwhile: this might work for you:

MicroSemi ZL30167: among many other features:
"Four Programmable synthesizers generate any clock rate from 1 Hz to 750 MHz"
https://www.microsemi.com/product-directory/otn-timing/4622-zl30167
Get the exact, stable frequencies you need, beat them together, have a fine party.


Of course if you don't need absolute stability or multiple independent clocks you can generate a reasonable 9Hz signal with a 555 timer chip and a few resistors and capacitors.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 11, 2018, 04:40:23 AM
So here  is another factor supporting working model  of Tariel Kapanadze devices  promoted by me

Рабочая модель Тариэля Капанадзе, продвигаемая мной.
На этом острове нет электричества.
Тариэль подключил к устройству нагрузку 10 кВт. в виде лампочек.
Мы знаем что электродвигател без механической нагрузки тянет  больше тока, только в течение первых нескольких секунд .
После этого требуется часть "начального тока". (этот конкретный двигатель ~ 0.71 A при 220V.)
Почему Тариэль нуждался в этом моторе?
Ответ в сообщении, -( сделанны  мной ранее.) Просто прочитайте


Here  below is the picture  form presentation  that  was made on deserted remote island .
There is no electricity on that island.
Tariel had 10kW load connected to the device.  in form of light bulbs
 
We know that electric motor without mechanical load takes larger current only  during first few seconds and after that  takes   fraction of "start" current.
this particular one ~0.71 A at 220V.

So now THINK MY FRIENDS ...
Why Tariel was in need to have that motor there?

or
as an answer you take   material posted by me earlier?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLxTjc9m3k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXLxTjc9m3k)





Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 11, 2018, 05:11:31 AM
Wesley, have you ever tried to run an electrostatic motor, of any design, in a vacuum?

If so , what was the actual pressure of your "vacuum" and how did you power the motor and how did you measure its torque?

It runs excellent i vacuum  and far from magnetic field.
I have seen your work too.
thank you
http://www.extra.research.philips.com/hera/people/aarts/_Philips%20Bound%20Archive/PTechReview/PTechReview-30-1969-178.pdf (http://www.extra.research.philips.com/hera/people/aarts/_Philips%20Bound%20Archive/PTechReview/PTechReview-30-1969-178.pdf)


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 11, 2018, 05:21:01 AM
Tinsel your a clever guy! any idea how I can generate a 9hz stand alone tone from a freely available crystal by division or knocking out bits ?
Since 9hz appears to be a resonant spacial lock on frequency rather than 8hz, the Don Smith device for one at 35.1khz.

Many thanks
ag
Interesting, tell me more
 
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on June 11, 2018, 05:53:29 AM
It runs excellent i vacuum  and far from magnetic field.
I have seen your work too.
thank you
http://www.extra.research.philips.com/hera/people/aarts/_Philips%20Bound%20Archive/PTechReview/PTechReview-30-1969-178.pdf (http://www.extra.research.philips.com/hera/people/aarts/_Philips%20Bound%20Archive/PTechReview/PTechReview-30-1969-178.pdf)


Wesley
I asked you if _you_ have ever tried to run an electrostatic motor in a vacuum. And I asked what _your_ true vacuum pressure was, and how _you_ powered it and how _you_ measured the torque.

And also... what powered your vane and turbomolecular vacuum pumps? I'll bet you a cheezburger it wasn't an electrostatic motor. Of course to run an ES motor "in vacuo" you may need such a hard vacuum that you are using diode ion pumps (electrostatic!) at the final stage.







Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 11, 2018, 08:19:13 AM
Interesting, tell me more
 
Wesley
Well Well it's complicated but with out going in to it too much, but it looks like the earth resonates at a base frequency of 8hz
and the universe at 9hz it can get spooky but things tend to end up being high energy based at ether one or the other frequency, or a
combination like 432 adds up to 9 the energy of the universe creation it self like it or not, and also divides equally 9 and 8 and it also in
harmony with us humans as in PLEASING HARMONIOUS music.
If your going to pick a frequency or vibration everything has to be in tune.
However base 9hz or 432hz is not an easy frequency to synthesis of the shelf!
What does it have to do with this subject ? EVERYTHING!

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 11, 2018, 10:02:43 AM
The circuit I developed has nothing to do with Kapanadze. It was created after the first viewing of Kapanadze's video about the green box. It seemed to me that he uses 2 grounds at the same time. But this is not so.

We know that between the sky and the Earth there is a voltage of 150 volts per meter. But under normal conditions, the current from one square meter is very weak.

We know that Tesla in the 1930s wrote that he came up with how to use cosmic rays as a source of free energy. In an interview with a journalist, he said that it is necessary to use ionization of very large volumes of air.

With the  my circuit, probably it is possible to create an impulse voltage over a large area of ​​the Earth's surface. Due to the presence of tips from grass, trees and other irregularities, effective ionization will occur. Negative ions are formed, which will slowly rise upward. In their place from the opposite section will flow current. Part of this current in the Earth's surface will be closed through a wire between two groundings, which will allow to receive energy.

The circuit  was not checked properly.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 11, 2018, 10:34:34 AM
The circuit I developed has nothing to do with Kapanadze. It was created after the first viewing of Kapanadze's video about the green box. It seemed to me that he uses 2 grounds at the same time. But this is not so.

We know that between the sky and the Earth there is a voltage of 150 volts per meter. But under normal conditions, the current from one square meter is very weak.

We know that Tesla in the 1930s wrote that he came up with how to use cosmic rays as a source of free energy. In an interview with a journalist, he said that it is necessary to use ionization of very large volumes of air.

With the  my circuit, probably it is possible to create an impulse voltage over a large area of ​​the Earth's surface. Due to the presence of tips from grass, trees and other irregularities, effective ionization will occur. Negative ions are formed, which will slowly rise upward. In their place from the opposite section will flow current. Part of this current in the Earth's surface will be closed through a wire between two groundings, which will allow to receive energy.

The circuit  was not checked properly.
Hmm! 50hz could be a problem!  :-X :-[ and that output transmuglifier on the output wouldn't it be a bit of a hand full at that
frequency  to say the least, not exactly portable  ;D ??

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on June 11, 2018, 10:47:50 AM
According to Henry Moray (imho) this ionization is always here but at the slow rate. The voltage potential between ground and not so high elevated things are equal because this energy is HF and propagating quite easily through the surface of insulators (that last is my theory only).
That's why Edwin Gray was talking about recreating the lightning.

What if you throw grounded wire up to the sky for example 1000m above the ground ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 11, 2018, 11:35:22 AM
According to Henry Moray (imho) this ionization is always here but at the slow rate. The voltage potential between ground and not so high elevated things are equal because this energy is HF and propagating quite easily through the surface of insulators (that last is my theory only).
That's why Edwin Gray was talking about recreating the lightning.

What if you throw grounded wire up to the sky for example 1000m above the ground ?
What you could do is take a leaf out of the Chem trail crims idea and get some highly static expanded polystyrene and blow it into the sky
that should lower the static potential altitude some what  ;D
Or just simply generate your own RF static ! just blowing corona ark what will that do unless you put the idea into a fly back coil and collect the static
charge and process it.

AG

Some clever German mathematician called Steinmetz said wind a bit of copper wire round some soft iron pass an electrical spike through it
to produce a magnetic induction and it will collapse into an infinite dielectric voltage, NOTE THE WORD INFINITE VOLTAGE.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on June 11, 2018, 11:55:45 AM
Lorentz, Steinmetz and Heaviside normalized Maxwell's equation from quaternions to vectors. Now we can do engineering mat, but did we lose one dimension in the process? Is the OU hiding there?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 11, 2018, 12:44:25 PM
Lorentz, Steinmetz and Heaviside normalized Maxwell's equation from quaternions to vectors. Now we can do engineering mat, but did we lose one dimension in the process? Is the OU hiding there?

The complete set of the equations of James Clerk MAXWELL are known in electrodynamics since  1865.
 These  have  been  defined  for  20  field  variables.  Later  Oliver HEVISIDE  and William GIBBS
have  transformed  this  equations  into  the  today’s  most used  notation  with vectors.
This  has  not  been  happened  without  ‚background  noise,  then  at  that  time  many scientists
– one of them has been MAXWELL himself
– was convinced, that the correct notation for electrodynamics must be possible with quaternions
and not with vectors.
A century later EINSTEIN introduced  Special  Relativity  and  since  then  it  was  common  to  summarize MAX-WELL’s equations with four-vectors.
For these who likes  active brain masturbation: http://www.zpenergy.com/downloads/Orig_maxwell_equations.pdf

Quote
Is the OU hiding there?
My friend there is no OU, never was , never will be  any.
We are not hunting for overunity we hunting for coupling into  energy source, or energy conversion process where we can use energy that does not have to be paid for.
Free energy is just this kind of energy , till governments do not start to tax it.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 11, 2018, 01:11:07 PM
Lorentz, Steinmetz and Heaviside normalized Maxwell's equation from quaternions to vectors. Now we can do engineering mat, but did we lose one dimension in the process? Is the OU hiding there?
Some guy controlling publications at Oxford university decided Heaviside's normalized publication could not be published disclosing that part
of his documents we can thank Don Smith for that information !

OU what we are realty referring in my opinion to is basically how a PW power unit works in particular the fly back device the back EMF
or the collection and storage of it. Being able to make it work and build it is the trick.

Over to you on that one.  ;D ;D

Tinsel K that device it's advertised at 65k up think i will try and get a a 9mhz xtal and a tube of cmos decade dividers  8) 8)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on June 11, 2018, 01:37:18 PM

My friend there is no OU, never was , never will be  any.


Well I guess it depends on how you look at it. If I power my device with 230V 1A and output is 230V 20A then I would call this OU. More coming out than going in. It really does not change anything if I say "this is not OU. This is just tax free energy that I have coupled into"

When I get this working I can advertize it any way you like. I can say it works by "massaging a pink rhino in 4th dimension and it gives more watts out than what I put in"

Energy Conservation Law tells us that all energy has been created already. We could get really philosophical and say that there is no OU or UO, but only devices with different efficiency of coupling to this energy
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: gyulasun on June 11, 2018, 04:39:01 PM

...  think i will try and get a a 9mhz xtal and a tube of cmos decade dividers  8) 8)
Hi AG,

You may consider these to get a 9 Hz signal:
1)  There is accidentaly just a 9 kHz crystal on sale at ebay ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/263714732731 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/263714732731) ) and you divide the 9 kHz oscillator you build from that crystal by 1000 to get 9 Hz. No need for a tube of decade dividers but only 4 pieces...  ;D

2)  There is the NE567 (LM567) tone decoder IC you may know or be aware of. It has a precision RC current controlled oscillator (better than that of say in the NE555) capable of operating from very very low frequencies. 

What I think it would also be practical to run the built-in oscillator at 9 Hz and phase lock it to the 9th harmonic of a 1 Hz reference clock you derive from a normal 32.768 kHz oscillator and divider chain used in crytal controlled watches.

Yes,  the 9th harmonic of a 1 Hz square wave may have a small amplitude at 9 Hz but using say a 2nd order active op amp band pass filter for 9 Hz would help to clean up and amplify  the 9 Hz signal component to feed the phase comparator input of the NE567 and establish phase lock with its internal oscillator, that would be your 9 Hz output signal.

Of course you would need to use good quality RC components for the active filter and for the NE567 oscillator (R1C1).  Here is the data sheet: http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Datasheets/NE567.pdf (http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Datasheets/NE567.pdf)  and pay attention to the several application hints too.  Texas Instruments still manufacturs this IC as LM567, what is more a CMOS version LMC567  too.   

Good luck.  8)

Gyula
PS,  Wesley,  sorry for this off-topic...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 11, 2018, 05:00:52 PM
Hi AG,
  Wesley,  sorry for this off-topic...
I have no problem with off topic.
The only thing that I oppose is malicious attacks-(an attempt to forcefully abuse or take advantage of someone's ability to contribute to the subject.)
It is not important  if that contribution is real or just thought to be real.
The intention is important, the willingness.
We all have our statue of limitations.
Some of us wish to make some money  on their intellectual property  - I do not But  it is OK. I can understand it.
Some of us  wish to have  everything is for free.
Some of us are very technical
Some of us are to emotional and they express their  approval for FE but at the same time they  express their   worries of - how it would impact the world.
And that is OK with me too.

Wesley

 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 11, 2018, 08:46:15 PM
Guys,


 I don t know its origin..  or its final doc.



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on June 11, 2018, 09:58:49 PM
Guys,


 I don t know its origin..  or its final doc.

From Gerry Vassilato's book

http://www.shamanicengineering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gerry-Vassilatos-Secrets-of-Cold-War-Technology.pdf
http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1/7

Tesla doing disruptive discharges and projecting scalar waves (just voltage potential) that would manifest into current in distant metallic plates
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on June 11, 2018, 10:02:34 PM
We also found the shocking effect when tapping a stick welder's positive electrode to a large metal plate. Everybody in the room could feel a shock on their face and skin
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 12, 2018, 05:51:34 PM
We also found the shocking effect when tapping a stick welder's positive electrode to a large metal plate. Everybody in the room could feel a shock on their face and skin

Belfior,
Is it possible to repeat the "test" a several times to see if the effect occurs again?
Maybe ypu could also register some parameters... like voltage.....air moisturecontent etc. to see what the important parametersare?

Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 12, 2018, 11:03:10 PM
Hi AG,

You may consider these to get a 9 Hz signal:
1)  There is accidentaly just a 9 kHz crystal on sale at ebay ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/263714732731 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/263714732731) ) and you divide the 9 kHz oscillator you build from that crystal by 1000 to get 9 Hz. No need for a tube of decade dividers but only 4 pieces...  ;D

2)  There is the NE567 (LM567) tone decoder IC you may know or be aware of. It has a precision RC current controlled oscillator (better than that of say in the NE555) capable of operating from very very low frequencies. 

What I think it would also be practical to run the built-in oscillator at 9 Hz and phase lock it to the 9th harmonic of a 1 Hz reference clock you derive from a normal 32.768 kHz oscillator and divider chain used in crytal controlled watches.

Yes,  the 9th harmonic of a 1 Hz square wave may have a small amplitude at 9 Hz but using say a 2nd order active op amp band pass filter for 9 Hz would help to clean up and amplify  the 9 Hz signal component to feed the phase comparator input of the NE567 and establish phase lock with its internal oscillator, that would be your 9 Hz output signal.

Of course you would need to use good quality RC components for the active filter and for the NE567 oscillator (R1C1).  Here is the data sheet: http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Datasheets/NE567.pdf (http://www.experimentalistsanonymous.com/diy/Datasheets/NE567.pdf)  and pay attention to the several application hints too.  Texas Instruments still manufacturs this IC as LM567, what is more a CMOS version LMC567  too.   

Good luck.  8)

Gyula
PS,  Wesley,  sorry for this off-topic...
Gyula thanks for the information I already have a a simple circuit to produce 1hz from 32k768 xtal it' sorting out the 9hz from it that will deserve some thought I already have a couple of LCM567.
cheers
Any way might use a cd4046 and a 4017 divide by 9 should give me the 9hz or any freq 1 to 10 or a chip that has  jam inputs not sure yet depends what bits i have.
AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: gyulasun on June 13, 2018, 04:37:53 PM
Hi AG,
You may find this paper (http://www.n5dux.com/ham/files/pdf/Synthesized%20Pulse%20Generator.pdf) also useful from this site (http://www.n5dux.com/ham/files/pdf/) once you fancy CD4046.  :)

Gyula
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on June 13, 2018, 06:06:10 PM
 “Dr. Le Bon’s texts contain secrets – very deep secrets as concerns radioactivity and the various means of releasing the intra-atomic energy of which he is the true discoverer. As has been validated, Dr. Moray often would study these texts of Le Bon in order to further pursue his various directions in the field of materials science and of vibratory dynamics. Presumably, these topics were advanced far beyond what we have been told, although we see very clear indications that Dr. Moray was learning the exact modes of applying techniques which Dr. Le Bon had begun to utilize in his Belgian laboratory.”
 
The Evolution of Matter
 &
 The Evolution of Forces
Two texts by Gustave Le Bon
 Reviewed by Gerry Vassilatos
 
 
https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/46/n02/LeBon_Evolution_of_Forces_Matter_Review.html (https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/46/n02/LeBon_Evolution_of_Forces_Matter_Review.html)
 
It’s energy from the nucleus that is Kapanadze secret as the amount of particles from this de-stabilization of Fe in the TV core would be so small that it would require very precise instruments to determine that. As to Free energy it’s in the “atom”.. 
 
Acca..
 
 Wesley thanks for the history, as I also work in Earth sciences..[/font]
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 14, 2018, 04:24:07 AM
http://energyscience.ru/topic73.html (http://energyscience.ru/topic73.html)
This is link to Tiger  publications . Tiger(Kazakhstan)  is my friend and he was the one who was asked by Stefanov brothers to be an expert during  negotiations.


Long history short:
Stefanov ( Stephanov) brothers  approached me and ask me to come to Hamburg where they  were scheduled to have presentation of their device.
However  they did not have samozapitka - self looping.
But Akula that just started was in his glory of self-looped no battery and no power supply device.


At the show in Hamburg Stefanov brothers   met an Investor.
German Investor   already knows about Akula
Stefanov was presenting  in Hamburg  less advanced technology when compared to Akula (Kazakhstan)
It would be a moment  till German Investor dumps Stepanov...

Stefanov  brothers ( Russians) - have had no choice but  conserve  their fresh deal ,
approach Akula and  become middle ground  mediator  between Akula and German Investor.
Stefanovs would love to  commit robbery  in  Russian Style  but Akula was not stupid.

In order to  be sure that  device is real they asked  Tiger  who was my friend already due to earlier Lithuania Experiment  to be their  technical expert.
At that time Tiger had no relation  to Akula as of yet.
Tiger  was representing Stefanovs and he could not find any problems with Akula's device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04V_NIrC0k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04V_NIrC0k)
 on these videos you see:
- Stefanov the blond hair.,
-Akula  the dark hair,
-and little older skinny guy Tiger .

After that show ,message was related to German Investor  and he visited Akula.
That moment was also videotaped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG_FsBn2qxk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG_FsBn2qxk)

In result of these events Akula  went to Hamburg in Germany .
Akula device did not work in Hamburg , and he was in need for Tiger to travel to Hamburg.
Akula contacted me few times.

Based on analysis of that event and another  one - Akulas trip to Riga Latvia
I went to conclusions.

Prior to that trip to Latvia I  advised Akula that he is visiting the same Chocolate Company in Riga that is owned by Russians  murderers who wanted to kill me and  Tariel .
Unfortunately Akulas device did not work in Riga.\
Well fortunately , .. Thanks God  that it did not work. they did not need to kill  Akula .

Me and Akula we went to the conclusion that  the device is geodependent . that means that it work in one particular place  but when taken to   another one ,sometime not so far away it must be re-tuned.
Later on I shared this findings with  few other  key  researchers.
It is worth to say that Ruslan is from Riga Latvia .
Note: (Geo-dependency  of Tariel device was discussed by me   so many times here.)


There was notion  that Ruslan (Latvia) sold  one piece of his device to two Russian trolls 
https://youtu.be/_9foRzZEZRo?t=534 (https://youtu.be/_9foRzZEZRo?t=534)

That device was examined and photographed by the buyer  and after long tests trolls  accepted it as working.
After that buyer left and at very next day Russian buyer, started to troll all around... with help of hundreds of  Russian bots "yelling to all internet"  that device is not working.
Since Ruslan did not deny this transaction I decided to  get involved.
The buyer was crying that he has no money to support his family now.
I offered that, I'm willing to give him  equivalent  monetary  compensation in amount of 5k.
I also said that  FE device does not have to be send to me
but I need to  have prove of such transaction  with all of details .
From that point we know that asking  price for FE 1kW is  established at this level.



=================
So Ruslan device is also geodependent . Trolls have the device but  they do not know how to tune it.
 It was also  a push from these Trolls   at Ruslan.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 14, 2018, 01:15:50 PM
It's good sometimes to read old American books.
In the books you can find answers to various questions.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1805/1805-h/1805-h.htm (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1805/1805-h/1805-h.htm)

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/634 (http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/634)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 16, 2018, 03:00:06 AM
Let me remind you that general statement was that all of Tariel Kapanadze devices
1. first electric motor  driven
2. electrostatic
3. Hydroelectric
are based on the same  principals of operation:
===========================================================
Note:
a.  it is worth to note, that  capacitor does not have to have two plates but much more, and plates in between can be not connected anywhere.
b.
it is worth to note,  that capacitor can be made  from conductive but non magnetic particles such as copper or aluminum suspended in electret.
c.  it is worth to note,  that  capacitor can be made  from conductive iron  particles suspended in electret, and as such it will be acting in similar way to a ferrite but having much more charge  storage
d. it is worth to note,  that capacitor can be made from much more efficient polymers that  are mixed  with  metal particles in their  changing phase from liquid to solid   in one of ways  said above in "b" and "c"..(teflon, maylar)
    Action of such will be much more efficient than Coaxial Cable  Electrostatic  Generator. ( one of them was used by Tariel  for presentation made to me)
f. It is worth to mention similarity between Electric Field Mill and New Type of Capacitive Machine.

Note: descriptors market in "fat print" are searchable in internet.
=========================================================
It is the time for another portion of information about Kapanadze device  to be mentioned.
In order for electric motor in Kapanadze assembly  to be effective we mentioned need for  short impulses powering motor and long intervals between impulses to let motor produce its own impulses due to inertia of the  shaft ( rotor)
So how do we  know that such assembly works or not?
For that wee need to go to  Electret and to Electric Field Mill
We may look  at it as :

Electret -  energy conservation http://www.keelynet.com/electret.htm (http://www.keelynet.com/electret.htm)
Electric Field Mill - electrical charge level  reference in V/m in vertical vector . http://a-tech.net/ElectricFieldMill/ (http://a-tech.net/ElectricFieldMill/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEDdt53lj0E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEDdt53lj0E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-G1xPD0tI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-G1xPD0tI)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDtm-am-t0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDtm-am-t0)


and that takes us  to :Energy and Power Engineering, 2015,
A New Type of Capacitive Machine
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276376577_A_New_Type_of_Capacitive_Machine (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276376577_A_New_Type_of_Capacitive_Machine)
it is quite fresh year 2015 .
So the machine is much  smaller then equivalent of  electric motor
quote:

Quote
The simulation results show that the proposed machine is able to reach the same power output as the electromagnetic machines.   
It is known that around 1m up from the earth is ~ 100V - picture A   https://www.tcd.ie/Physics/study/current/undergraduate/lecture-notes/py1h01/Lecture%2013%20Electricity.pdf (https://www.tcd.ie/Physics/study/current/undergraduate/lecture-notes/py1h01/Lecture%2013%20Electricity.pdf)
per every meter  so at 10m ~1000V ( not always so!!!)
=====================================================
It is not important how we make ;
-electrostatic potential
-or increase  electrostatic potential
 Any means is OK. However  we may  operate with lesser or higher  efficiency. And that might be important.
 from exotic ways to  create ,store or stimulate Electric Field and/or Electrostatic Potential Difference 

I can mention here:
- Isotopic 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SP6e0zWxOM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SP6e0zWxOM) (Radon is everywhere)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bybrgI6V0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bybrgI6V0)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8FfWI3nn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8FfWI3nn8) 
this one is especially interesting it uses spark gap doped with CS-137.what this guy does not know is that  if it is placed in small  tube  it works like turbojet. Nice ionized particles .
And when you use coil and magnet to speed it up ... there you go..
all you need is potential difference for electrostatic pump and two grounds. ( well one can be capacitive)

- Ion Thruster ( questionable if not in Vacuum)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kl-vromzaQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kl-vromzaQ)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVVeiL2D1E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVVeiL2D1E)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_apbNC8iGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_apbNC8iGA)  ( Static Field Meter / Ion Test Kit) cheap toy

===================================================================
 To increase  voltage potential  we may use vertical vector in m/V
Look at past picture below http://www.keelynet.com/indexjan16.html (http://www.keelynet.com/indexjan16.html)

Enjoy it  for now I'm going to add more

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 16, 2018, 09:53:58 AM
Yes, the launch for the mass appearance on the forums of the topic of electrets was this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4jWOKdQQc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4jWOKdQQc)


in which a foil with perforated holes is removed from the package.
This film looks like a waste of an electret film from the production of electret microphones. I wrote on several forums several messages about electrets and their properties. It was about 10 years ago. :-\ Then the topic of electrets became popular and spread around the world. :o
Quote
Brooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932 Nikola Tesla states: I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Sergh on June 18, 2018, 01:11:01 PM
Probably it will be interesting. My old experiment with electret.

Someone has read that some high-voltage capacitors are sold by a shorted with external jumper. Because they, even 100% discharged, can independently accumulate a dangerous charge. But not every capacitor can do this. Most can not.
Let's create this feature of the capacitors artificially.

 We take an ordinary "old scool" capacitor. For example, from the old Soviet microwave oven, K75-15 1 μf 5000 V. (https://images.by.prom.st/89785588_w640_h640_cid249172_pid65412256-11e5040f.jpg)
I chose this. But maybe some other one. I chose based on the fact that the capacitor should be with a combined dielectric. Dielectric - paper and plastic film. And everything is soaked in oil.
The paper does not press through when heated. Otherwise the softened plastic would be pressed and a short circuit formed.

so... let's go..
Very careful! Outdoors, not with combustible materials! Dangerous! Do not repeat!
(I drilled a small hole on the top of the condenser for the escape of gases. But I'm not sure that it's necessary. Depends on temperature.)

We take a small pan. We put the capacitor there. Place a wooden stand under the condenser so that it does not stand on the metal bottom of the pan.  Fill this small pan with oil. Sunflower or similar. We charge the capacitor with high voltage (I had 3.2 kilovolts). Leave it connected.
Heat to near the boiling point of the oil, 227 °Celsius.
We are waiting for 20-30 minutes. Switch off the heating.
After 2 -3 hours, when the oil completely cools, turn off the high voltage and discharge the capacitor with a screwdriver.
It is advisable not to cook in this pan afterwards. If capacitor oil gets there, it can be very dangerous for health.
Connect the voltmeter to the capacitor through 1 gigaohm and observe how the capacitor is self-charged "from the air".
If one terminal of the capacitor is grounded, and the other is connected to a polished ball and blow it with ionized air (from Chizhevsky's chandelier) - the capacitor is charged much faster.

The capacitor charges itself to 100 - 200 volts for 20 - 40 minutes. The effect lasted about 2 weeks, gradually weakening.
Under other conditions, it can be different.

To obtain significant energy in this form is not applicable. Although, anything can be.
Scientists call it "Electrostatic Adsorption"
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 21, 2018, 02:37:20 PM
Gyula thanks for the information I already have a a simple circuit to produce 1hz from 32k768 xtal it' sorting out the 9hz from it that will deserve some thought I already have a couple of LCM567.
cheers
Any way might use a cd4046 and a 4017 divide by 9 should give me the 9hz or any freq 1 to 10 or a chip that has  jam inputs not sure yet depends what bits i have.
AG
Re above harmonious frequency's that don't appear to modulate your brain and are reported to have other useful properties of use here. :D
the 11.0592mhz xtal and a CD4060 are capable of producing multiple divisions of the 432hz frequency ie 1.382026 mhz will divide by 432 = 3200.
If this is of any use to you, with out going too deep feel free.
AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 24, 2018, 10:07:33 PM
Hi Wesley, guys,

I have been away for quite a while. Very busy with work.
Wesley thanks for posting your ideas on Kapanadze's devices.

A few comments:

It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.

Regarding some of the ideas you have been mentioning here:

Electrostatic charging of capacitors:
I have experimented with using a high voltage electrostatic voltage applied to one
plate of a HV pulse capacitor (low ESR) with the other plate of the capacitor connected to earth ground, and I
was only able to get a weak charging effect. The capacitor was 'charged' using HV discharge pulses
through a sparkgap and through a HV, high speed diode to rectify the pulses to DC, so the cap could charge.
I tried the HV diode in both orientations (cathode to ground, anode to ground) with the same very poor results.
Results: Very weak charging on the capacitor. Output power would be very tiny compared to input
power to drive the HV flyback transformer.

Using multi-plate capacitors:
I have run quite a few different tests with home-made multi-plate capacitors
at lower voltages being fed in different ways and taking off the power in different
ways and found that output power consumed by a load was always matched with a corresponding increase in input power.
Results: I was not able to find any test configuration that seemed to give more power out than in (at lower voltages).
At much higher voltages and using higher capacitance home-made multi-plate capacitors, you might see
different results, but based on my experiments with electrostatic charging of two plate HV caps mentioned above,
it doesn't look too overly promising from the point of view of my own actual bench test results.
If there is a way to get OU out of such a setup, it would seem there may be something else missing yet.


Wesley, I appreciate your efforts to share your ideas, but I find your ideas are sometimes a little too disjointed
and too cluttered with other info or comments, so sometimes hard to follow. For what it is worth, my suggestion
for people who have ideas of how Kapanadze's or others' claimed FE devices might work is
to try to condense your ideas down and make them as clear and to the point as possible.
Keep other less related comments and ideas completely separate from any specific idea you are trying to relate. :)

Then think about the simplest test setup you can try to put those clarified ideas to the test.  If you make an effort to do it
that way, I think you will find that many ideas can be put to the actual test with relatively simple test setups.
Without distilling ideas down to a basic and straight forward and practical test setup, you only have ideas. :)

Remember Kapanadze was apparently not trained at all in electronics and also apparently didn't even have
an oscilloscope, so if his devices really work then the principle behind it would seem not to be very complicated.
From what I have seen, many people seem to try to over complicate things, even though they are aware that
Kapanadze was using only a very simple setup and apparently only had simple measurement tools such as
a voltmeter/multimeter and clamp ammeters.

I understand why many people think Kapanadze's devices must be fake, as how could such a simple
setup such as Kapanadze's early electronic devices such as shown in his 2004 video demo
power five 1kW bulbs fairly brightly and also self power the driving circuitry?
(Note: the 2004 Kapanadze setup showed  that it had only one earth ground wire.)
However, Kapanadze has demoed his devices under various circumstances in front of various
different people and no one has so far reported any credible evidence of tricks that I have ever seen.

His devices could be fake, but, the island demo for one, realistically would have been very hard to fake
if the circumstances that were reported about that demo are fairly accurate. Kapanadze was said to have
been taken to a random beach on a random island by boat by some potential investors and his device
ran right there on the beach. For me anyway, although Kapanadze's or any other FE claimant's devices could be fake,
the varying conditions under which Kapanadze has demonstrated his devices over the years lends more credibility
to his claims than many other claimants, at any rate.

Wesley, the idea that Kapanadze's or Akula's seemingly similar setups could be geo-location dependent has also
occurred to me, and I have mentioned this possibility a few times in the past as well. This would mean
that if you are not in a suitable location, all your experiments on these types of setups might be pointless.
Don Smith definitely indicated strongly in at least one of his presentations that geo-location was important
for his earth grounded devices, for which some of the devices he presented were seemingly quite similar to Kapanadze's devices.
Don Smith's claims were not so credible to me however, as I am only aware of one presentation
where Don Smith put his suitcase device to the test in front of an audience, and it was a bit too short of a test
to try to draw any definite conclusions.
One thing that makes me question this geo-location dependent idea for Kapanadze's devices anyway, is Kapanadze seemed
to have no problem demonstrating his setup in Turkey, and I think someone mentioned that the island demo Kapanadze did
was in the Mediterranean area somewhere, if I remember correctly. His device apparently worked well on that island as well.
Akula's setup however, which may be related but different than Kapanadze's devices did seem to possibly be very geo-location
dependent, although Akula apparently did get his dual tesla coil device setup to self run and power one or two small
fluorescent bulbs at the same time, in Germany, according to one video that was posted to Youtube. It wasn't kW's
of output however.

Wesley, if you are interested, I will post info here on a related setup to Kapanadze's devices which I think has a lot of
similarities to Kapanadze's simple bare bones 2004 device and green box devices, and which is quite well documented,
and which I think is reasonably credible as well. Let me know...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 25, 2018, 10:07:16 AM
Good summary of the present situation Void. Please post the Kapanadze related device you mentioned.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 25, 2018, 02:10:00 PM
Found this while searching an interesting lecture from Don L Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81tQBaAsuU

watch it while it's still on !!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 25, 2018, 03:42:10 PM
Good summary of the present situation Void. Please post the Kapanadze related device you mentioned.

Hi Hoppy. It's something that myself and others have posted to these forums before over the years, so it
is not new, but for some reason people seem to have not paid it too much attention. I have no idea if it might work
on the same principle as what Kapanadze is doing (assuming Kapanadze's devices are legit), but it has
the same basic components as Kapanadze's devices and uses an earth ground. It may possibly work on the same
principle, but with a bit different layout. I'll wait to see if Wesley is interested in having the info posted here in this
thread or not. It is something you have seen before Hoppy in the Daly thread, but I personally think it deserves a
much closer analysis.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 26, 2018, 02:05:23 AM
Void

 if your waiting for a quick reply from Wesley, if you look way back in this thread I believe he stated he was doing some home land visiting, i'm sure you will find it some of his posts most interesting reading if you do some burning the mid night oil going through all the posts. If you find it I don't think working circuits of topic are a problem see his reply to Guyulasun, the only problem might be misleading Russian trolling, and heated discussions and arguments and uncalled for degradation of other's posting, was highlighted.

That said i'm sure we will all get along just fine.
Regards AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 26, 2018, 11:11:19 AM
Did any one bother to observe or view and digest the Don L Smith film, I ask this as it is entirely relevant to our course.
If so you might be interested in the two postings below.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/fluxmg.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpendicular

I hope this all helps.

regards AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 26, 2018, 04:00:39 PM
Hi AG. Ok on that. Yes, I have already read through the whole thread on the past weekend.
Ok, I will try to post the info tonight. I guess it should help to keep the thread going
for the time being, at any rate.  :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 26, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
Cheers Void

If any ones interested on the 'Fux' aspect of the Tesla original device D L Smith worked on.

See link https://donsmithcoils.blogspot.com/2010/06/don-l-smith-device.html

Regards AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: gyulasun on June 26, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Hi AG,

Okay on your comments in the Stiffler thread, thanks, and hopefully you manage to build a simple synthesizer with reasonably small components count.   8)     Have you noticed my earlier reply to you here, perhaps you did:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522477/#msg522477 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522477/#msg522477) 

Gyula 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 26, 2018, 10:30:16 PM
Hi AG,

Okay on your comments in the Stiffler thread, thanks, and hopefully you manage to build a simple synthesizer with reasonably small components count.   8)     Have you noticed my earlier reply to you here, perhaps you did:

Gyula
Yes I did thanks  however I had already worked through a PCB design by then, but did think of building your design but the the MM5369 looks as if it has gone extinct by 2006 (divide by 17) as well as the 74C90's it might be possible to use a PIC F509 or similar device for the MM5369
See here
http://www.frank-buss.de/PIC100/index.html

and the 7490's a CD4518 dual decade counter that's pretty fast at 8 volts.
If i can solve those problems it would be worth making.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: gyulasun on June 26, 2018, 10:46:37 PM
Well, have you checked ebay?  1 pc https://www.ebay.com/itm/263336056141 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/263336056141) 
or 5 pc https://www.ebay.com/itm/263057413867 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/263057413867)
 The 74C90 is also available at ebay, though it has become a bit pricey, search for there.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 27, 2018, 05:16:39 AM
Hi guys.

Sorry that the schematic image is a bit wide. I am in a hurry.
I will just post the schematic and patent doc I was referring to. Don't have time to comment much right now.

In around 1923, an American electrical engineer named Frank Wyatt Prentice was doing research work for the railroad
in the area of wireless power transfer/wireless power control, and says he discovered that sending
a HV HF waveform (at resonance) from a long wire a little above the ground in the freq. area of about 500 kHz
to a receiving loop antenna was giving him a power gain (COP) of about 6.
For now I will just attach the schematic with some explanatory notes I added and the Canadian patent application
document which was approved in 1925. Not sure why he patented it in Canada, but maybe he was working in Canada
at the time, but that is just a guess. Maybe there was some other reason.

He hypothesized that when the long wire transmitting antenna was at resonance at around 500 kHz that it was resonating with
the earth currents and this caused the mysterious power gain (COP of about 6). He used a sparkgap in the long
wire antenna and tuned the wire for exact resonance, and had two earth ground connections at each end of the long transmitting wire.

He used a small tuned loop antenna to receive the power. He stated about 500 W input and about 3 kW output,
powering 50 x 60W carbon filament light bulbs to 'full candle power'. See the attached schematic and patent doc.
Although I am pretty sure he was just guessing about his antenna resonating at the same frequency as earth ground currents
which caused the power gain, he does make some interesting observations about how small height and frequency changes
affected the output power. What really made it work (assuming he wasn't making a major measurement error) is anyone's guess.

Replace the resonant long wire transmitting antenna with a resonant tesla coil and the small loop receiving antenna with a receiving coil
and you would essentially have a very compact version of the setup seemingly similar to Kapanadze. He said you could replace the
earth ground hop with a metal wire, but it reduced the performance. Maybe Kapanadze just figured out how to make this sort of setup 
work with a single earth ground connection and much more compact arrangement...

P.S. I forgot to label #21 on the drawing. It is of course a sparkgap.
Frank Prentice may possibly have been a Canadian, as the patent ownership was listed as:
THE PRENTICE ELECTRIC POWER APPLIANCE COMPANY OF CANADA LIMITED
However, for some reason Frank Prentice put his location on the patent drawing as Meadville, Penn'a (Pennsylvania).
At any rate, what I am drawing attention to is the similarities of the setup in his patent doc to Kapanadze/DalyAkula devices. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 27, 2018, 05:21:56 AM
Void and others  thank you for your input .
I will get closer to it
Wesley 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 27, 2018, 06:25:23 PM
An interesting side note on 'Frank Wyatt Prentice'.
I found an entry on the ancestry.ca website for a 'Frank Wyatt Prentice'.
The info listed seems to match reasonably well with the Frank Wyatt Prentice who filed the Canadian patent:

Frank Wyatt Prentice (1868 - 1937)
Born in Garrettsville, Ohio, USA on 1868.
Frank Wyatt Prentice married Adelia Roberts and had 6 children.
He passed away on 7 Nov 1937 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
https://www.ancestry.ca/genealogy/records/frank-wyatt-prentice_69000255

So, if this is referring to the same 'Frank Wyatt Prentice', it seems he was
born in the USA but later moved to Canada. This would seem to explain why
this guy seemed to be associated with both the USA and Canada, and filed his
patent application in Canada. If it is the same guy, it appears some of his children
might still be alive, although they would be pretty old.
The wonders of the internet... :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 27, 2018, 07:35:42 PM
Hi Wesley, guys,

I have been away for quite a while. Very busy with work.
Wesley thanks for posting your ideas on Kapanadze's devices.

A few comments:

It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.



Hi Wesley, guys, 
Regarding some of the ideas you have been mentioning here:
Electrostatic charging of capacitors:
I have experimented with using a high voltage electrostatic voltage applied to one
plate of a HV pulse capacitor (low ESR) with the other plate of the capacitor connected to earth ground, and I
was only able to get a weak charging effect. The capacitor was 'charged' using HV discharge pulses
through a sparkgap and through a HV, high speed diode to rectify the pulses to DC, so the cap could charge.
I tried the HV diode in both orientations (cathode to ground, anode to ground) with the same very poor results.
Results: Very weak charging on the capacitor. Output power would be very tiny compared to input
power to drive the HV flyback transformer.

PART1 of  how to prepare and verify Kapagen , Kapanadze, Akula ground  role  using two grounds
 I will post soon, second part covering CAPACITORS and ELECTROSTATICS.

The point of reference is important.
1.Try two grounds grounds wire #1 and ground wire #2
2.step the distance between them  5m, 10m, 15m 50m, starting from the smallest one first.
   Note: is some cases changing geographical orientation  e.g N/S( North to South)  S/E can help  but this is not critical.
3. Use gauge 0 or  gauge 1 wire to connect to the ground.
4. ground rods: copper  2.5cm or thicker. at 1.5m in the ground  at best./ can be as well cold water pipe inlet from the    street.
5. connect  oscilloscope in such a way that :
TEST#1
your oscilloscope is floating (that means - powered by isolation transformer 1:1 ) or from battery 12V directly.
connect your oscilloscope to both of the grounds and see if there  is any presence of AC or DC offset.
look at presence of any   waveforms   or DC offset. on your screen
Note: Now you have tested your grounds for presence of Telluric current. The depth  of your ground rods was never explained( or I did not find it)  in old books but the deeper the better.
============================================================
TEST#2
a.your signal generator  BNC or N connector  ( depends from what generator you use - the hot wire central pin) is connected  to your ground #1 wire.
a1.your signal generator is floating  means it is powered using isolating transformer or  directly from 12V battery and  inverter 12V to 110V (or 220V)
Option: your signal generator  can be just PCB board directly powered from 12V battery
Note: the typical battery used in old telegraph in 19th century  was 34-38V so there might be  helpful to step up with voltage transformer.
Please remember that Voltage Transformer
- distort the waveform  unless it is winded like glen Transformer  some pictures will be posted if requested
-

b. the ground wire  of your generator ( shield of BNC or N connector is connected to ground wire of your oscilloscope.
b1.Your oscilloscope is also floating ( floating- is explained  right above)
Your hot wire of your probe  of your  oscilloscope is connected to ground wire #2
You have now  assembly to test   current and  voltage flow using ground instead of wire.
c.   check  if you have any AC signals shown on your oscilloscope.
c1. when you have signals than find amplitude   and amplitude loss of these signals.
c2. be aware that  such  connection may  act as resonance circuit and as such requires to play  with different frequencies delivered   from your  signal  generator , to establish  resonances.
You have now  tested your ground for  impedance components and response based on frequency
==============================================================
TEST #3.
d.
Take 12V battery  and small load and connect between two grounds with load in series. (   resistive load  such as  small light-bulb 12v.. can be smaller as well.)
e.  if your lightbulb is  working than place V meter  across the light bulb.
f.   if your lightbulb is  working than place  Ammeter  in series with  lightbulb.
Note  if it is not working  than  place your V meter or oscilloscope  between two grounds  and look for DC offset and compare it wit Voltage delivered from battery.
 you have now  checked  your grounds for conductivity and resistance
=========================================================
Now we are ready to play witch capacitors and the ground
======================================================
For some other methods  of measuring ground please go videos below.
Note: that  this measurement explained  in  videos  does not prvide us with information  described in 
TEST#1
TEST#2
TEST#3
videos explaining commercial methods but only for earth resistance
1. https://youtu.be/x8B1tjiOkvU?t=155 (https://youtu.be/x8B1tjiOkvU?t=155)
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9CjydiUkAI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9CjydiUkAI) this one is good
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXR-Lcx_Vw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXR-Lcx_Vw)
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGLCipXtfTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGLCipXtfTU)
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTLKXt8HzQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTLKXt8HzQ) well this one  view as last video

 
 
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 28, 2018, 07:32:43 PM


It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.


At any rate, what I am drawing attention to is the similarities of the setup in his patent doc to Kapanadze/DalyAkula devices. :)

Hi Void,

I appreciate your review based on your analyses and your years of experiences on this forum.
What makes it interesting is that you are pointing in the bench direction...

I posted two qoutes from your last posts........ 

I d like to add ... to your last post is that the drawing is more less typical the Tesla transformer setup instead a dally or kapanadze sort of application.
There is no continues second "static"wave as made by the inductor loop ...


But never the less.....  at the end of the day...  the process of charging the "output" coil trough the air is significant for most all of this types of related setups.
As Also Nelson posted lately on of his first Youtube vids ..  showing similar mode of operations.
To bad Nelson is not sharing more details about the coils configs etc.


So referring to your first quote... lets define the aspects shown in the drawing..... as i must admit..  i cannot place a 800 meter wire nearby my bench.
There must be some way in between the Tesla transformer layout and this long transmission line setup what could be tested on the bench.
All of course being explained after analysing the initial components and its function.

So i m in for joining some testing in this... as i think it will help to come further in the Ruslan type of setup also.
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 28, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Thank you guys for posting interesting material.
I'm traveling.
I'm making stops  in my trips  and that allowed me to  post  some comments.

I regards to  grounding rod so I can  go along with the discussion there are  some  helpful articles and one of them  is here
http://www.esgroundingsolutions.com/different-types-of-grounding-electrodes/ (http://www.esgroundingsolutions.com/different-types-of-grounding-electrodes/)

in regards to my last picture   about  screw  grounding rod
I found one here  https://swaindistribution.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=TETGR
However  $135 is plenty of money  spend by most of you and you need   two of them.
unless you already one have ground  wire somewhere  in your house and you need  just another one in your backyard
Make sure that  ground wire  is gauge #0 or #1 and is  in insulation!! Not bare wire!!
 

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on June 28, 2018, 11:58:17 PM
Hi Void,

I appreciate your review based on your analyses and your years of experiences on this forum.
What makes it interesting is that you are pointing in the bench direction...

I posted two qoutes from your last posts........ 

I d like to add ... to your last post is that the drawing is more less typical the Tesla transformer setup instead a dally or kapanadze sort of application.
There is no continues second "static"wave as made by the inductor loop ...


But never the less.....  at the end of the day...  the process of charging the "output" coil trough the air is significant for most all of this types of related setups.
As Also Nelson posted lately on of his first Youtube vids ..  showing similar mode of operations.
To bad Nelson is not sharing more details about the coils configs etc.


So referring to your first quote... lets define the aspects shown in the drawing..... as i must admit..  i cannot place a 800 meter wire nearby my bench.
There must be some way in between the Tesla transformer layout and this long transmission line setup what could be tested on the bench.
All of course being explained after analysing the initial components and its function.

So i m in for joining some testing in this... as i think it will help to come further in the Ruslan type of setup also.
Hmm I seam to remember you were building a  Ruslan Akula Sergey cross device well how are you getting on with that
Hardware ? If we cast our minds back a while T1000 was stating some disappointing fact the late Adrian may he RIP poor chap
used a secondary transmitter tuned to the kacher frequency if we look at the Don Smith device i see a similarity developing here.
Err has it with you ? re the recent development in the release of many unseen video's

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 29, 2018, 06:14:30 AM
Hi Void,

I appreciate your review based on your analyses and your years of experiences on this forum.
What makes it interesting is that you are pointing in the bench direction...

I posted two qoutes from your last posts........ 

I d like to add ... to your last post is that the drawing is more less typical the Tesla transformer setup instead a dally or kapanadze sort of application.
There is no continues second "static"wave as made by the inductor loop ...


But never the less.....  at the end of the day...  the process of charging the "output" coil trough the air is significant for most all of this types of related setups.
As Also Nelson posted lately on of his first Youtube vids ..  showing similar mode of operations.
To bad Nelson is not sharing more details about the coils configs etc.


So referring to your first quote... lets define the aspects shown in the drawing..... as i must admit..  i cannot place a 800 meter wire nearby my bench.
There must be some way in between the Tesla transformer layout and this long transmission line setup what could be tested on the bench.
All of course being explained after analysing the initial components and its function.

So i m in for joining some testing in this... as i think it will help to come further in the Ruslan type of setup also.

Hi apecore. Yes, you are right. The Prentice setup seems to be more similar to Kapandze's bare bones
setups shown in his early demonstrations, than to Daly and Akula setups. However, they
all appear to rely on a good earth ground as an important component in the setup.

I think Prentice's setup can potentially be made much more compact by using coils of
wire (like Kapanadze appears to use) rather than using large long wire and loop antennas. If Kapanadze's
device is legit, then it seems coils of wire should work.

Here is some of what I take away from Prentice's patent comments as being noteworthy:
The frequency you tune to may well be quite critical, and you may have to experiment tuning through a wide range of frequencies
to see what might work in your specific location and with your specific setup. I think this would not be so easy to do at all with
a tesla coil which resonates at a specific frequency. If you are not tuned for the right frequency range for you area, you may see no effect at all.
If this is correct, this means we may need to put on our thinking caps to think how we might test to find the right frequency range for the area any particular person lives in.
Anything which effects circuit tuning would need to be well controlled.
However, Kapanadze's early bare bones setup didn't look to me like it was too critically tuned, so I still wonder about
how critical frequency and tuning really are for Kapanadze's devices anyway. It is possible Kapanadze is doing
something quite a bit different than in Prentice's setup however, or it may be that Kapanadze's devices are
carefully tuned for a certain critical frequency.
The transmitting antenna/coil/loop it seems may need to have a sparkgap to ground at one end. (Except maybe if you are doing it the Daly/Akula way instead with no sparkgap).
These are just some ideas based on what Prentice outlined in his patent doc. Experimenting will be required to see if any of it proves useful.

Hi Wesley:
One problem with using a scope to view waveforms from earth ground connections is if you have AM broadcast band (medium wave band) radio stations in your area,
those radio signals can appear on ground connections and they are in the frequency range of about 530 kHz to 1.6 Mhz or so,
depending what country you are in. I have seen this happen in some of my testing.
That's interesting about the screw in ground rod. That might be very handy to have. :)



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on June 29, 2018, 07:02:07 AM
hm.. 500khz .. that's a wavelength of lambda 1= 600m

how ever one could use lambda1/4 as a coil ore box antenna without ending up having what's called a magnetic antenna as long as you use a relateivly  long groundwire  (say 20m for a first test) .
look at the videos of some of the guyes, some of em mad a lot of effort to get the best earth ground they can get .. and at the same time they use a sh..ty wire to connect to the device! an allways relatively long sooo?

just how i look at it :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 29, 2018, 08:22:07 AM


Here is some of what I take away from Prentice's patent comments as being noteworthy:
The frequency you tune to may well be quite critical, and you may have to experiment tuning through a wide range of frequencies
to see what might work in your specific location and with your specific setup. I think this would not be so easy to do at all with
a tesla coil which resonates at a specific frequency.

Hi Void,

Yes it could be a important parameter the location and its specific frequenty to tune.
This would not make it easyer due we would need to stick on the long wire principle........   Using the wire as a coil it would effect its inductance and therefore the needed caps to tune it in the right specific resonance (earth).
This all together probably the first step to think about is resulting in a lot of "mayor" changes...regarding the patent setup.

1- if specific frequenty is approx 500khz.... and the setup needs in that order a specific reactance from the capacitor this needs to be related to the wire inductance (coil part), so changing the wire into a coil would have a mayor effect on this relationship.

2- If the frequenty is not depending on the location .... and more related to the COP factor it would be possible to use shorter wire (same physical configuration),..  but using a higher frequenty.

This last statement is in fact also a kapanadze/ dally approach due the wire lengths are shorter and also the inductance ( now it is getting tricky,...  800 mter wire what would its inductance be?...  would it approx. the same as the bifilar kapanadze coil?  ( 100- 300uH)

Lets formulte some objectives before starting drilling groundrods..

a) Wire or coil in relation to capacitance / inductance reactance ........is a specific capacitance reactance needed?
b) Is wirelength a power factor or related to the needed eart(location) frequenty?

Just some out of the box suggestions.


Greetings


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 29, 2018, 03:20:02 PM
<blockquote>Question was addressed to me by some fresh guy in PM. I  funded it interesting enough for some other guys who explore photon interaction with  that particular compound of Colman.
Quote
Wesley,
Could you please tell me where to get the amp you call the "Israeli one"?
I looked up the number from your video and could find it nowhere and I am very good at fidning things online.

Thanks,
Mick
</blockquote>Wesley's response:

The amplifier does not have to be  exactly the same as the one, I have used in Colman Experiment.
It can be any amplifier (100W at best) .
Look for frequency range.wideband

It is good to have set of them  wide frequency range amplifiers  (e.g tunable from 1MHZ to 50MHZ or more. I did  not test Colman device at this range.)
Search on line for 100MHz to 500MHz amplifier and so on.
Hams they have plenty of them but not so wide-band, however that is not  so much of a problem.
Ham gears are cheap and easy to modify. 
It is like manufacturer  (Kenwood Yesu) have made it  at the design  to be wideband and than implemented -FCC licensee Ham limiter circuit. 
Most of these  transceivers  can be easily modified and there is plenty of  instructions how to do it.

Place I got my original  Israeli Amplifier XRF-694  100- 500MHz is no longer available.
The simplest way to test Colman is as weird as it sounds: to  press manually as fast as you can switch( or button on your transceiver microphone)
The signal send can be  unmodulated carrier or modulated carrier  it does  not matter.
I have  noticed that impulses as long as 4 seconds at full amplitude and right frequency have made the trick

So if you use Ham gear at 70cm Ham band  (or 440 MHz - frequency  of regular transceiver) is  the range of frequencies from 420 to 450 MHz without  modification,
becomes  unlimited in most of cases opening "all restricted" 

Used gears can be purchased for few .
Be sure that power  output is not less than 100W
Be sure that  if you play with Colman based on  chemical formula  You do not send long impulses  as your antenna is just piece of wire and your impedance mismatch ( high SWR) may damage   the high end of transmitter.
I used matching box  transmatch or  antenna tunner , but it is not needed.
As unbelievable as it sounds - Be sure that you have neutron detector.


 
Now here is  what is happening in Colman but first you need to know/refresh some  of  (learned  college/university)   theory.
A free neutron is one that is not bound in a nucleus.
The half-life of a free neutron is about 10.2 minutes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_neutron_decay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_neutron_decay)

If you are science student   or professor do not lough from that just look at my videos
Colman Compound turned to be unstable and  from Neutron analyzer stand point it  acted as "neutron gun."

At that point in time ,my lab was not so  advanced in analysis of  particle  physics subject - ( alpha, beta,  gamma, X-ray).
So the claim I have made than -  might  allow  now at 2018   to look at it as possible presence  of  another  mechanism to explain results of  experiment.

Wesley's quote from 2004
Quote
...or if not than any other mechanism must of  be present causing neutron analyzer to go crazy while gamma was at insignificant level.
false Ionization of  detector due to RF is excluded.  Neutron activity was dangerously high
However  when we have "neutron gun" we can do so many  incredible things.
And it is big money , real big money . Typical commercial Neutron sources cost  often more than 100 000 dollars .

And there is nothing in it !!!
nothing that  cost more  than few bucks.
You usually  are paying Just for name of manufacturer, application and  form of it.
The simplest neutron  source is Californium but it is expensive.
However any  neutron source/ gun can be made/ replicated   for  literary   average Joe  weekly salary.
This thing is real and  it works.


Statement : I do not encourage anyone to play with it. I'm not responsible for your action guys.
Well the statement must be made as there are plenty  of small time  "rats" out there.- and the big one too.
 
At some point in our lives, we have got to conclusion that can be phrased as:
Quote
from now, we need to know what to say  and with  whom it is safe to interact.
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 29, 2018, 06:36:26 PM

Remember Kapanadze was apparently not trained at all in electronics and also apparently didn't even have
an oscilloscope, so if his devices really work then the principle behind it would seem not to be very complicated.
From what I have seen, many people seem to try to over complicate things, even though they are aware that
Kapanadze was using only a very simple setup and apparently only had simple measurement tools such as
a voltmeter/multimeter and clamp ammeters.
We appear to again be wandering off onto esoteric operating theories that really in my opinion do not relate to what we witness as in Kapanadze's various demos. Kapanadze stated to a.king21's team during the Aqua2 demo, along the lines, that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance. Also, Kapanadze was wary of operataing the device during stormy weather conditions. This information, if accurate, does not suggest to me that the source of energy was from the ground. The Aqua 2 device apparently had just one ground wire, so could not have operated using the two ground rod principle shown by Wesley. The clues here rather suggest an aeriel source of energy that is returned to ground via the device. Those that have carefully studied the 'green box' series of videos will have seen an aeriel wire from the perimeter fence adjacent the roadway, to the tree in the garden. Although its not possible to conclude that this wire was carrying energy to the device, nonetheless, in my opinion, its far more unlikely that the source of energy was contained within the device box itself. Ruling out simple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 29, 2018, 08:22:39 PM

PARAGRAPH 1.
dedicated to Capacitors.

In my previous posts  I was talking about :
1 basic  structure of Tariel Kapanadze device standing that in all of his devices he used the same mechanism.
2. ground and grounding systems
3. telluric current
4. it will be from now:
a.  capacitors
b. ways to store energy
c.ways to store  or  temporary storage of charge


Note : I will not be easy nor interesting for some of you:
You have choice to
- ignore it
- be lazy on it
- or get deep into it
some of  you looking for easy money or easy manual  it  might  be disappointing, however you never know,
I might  just go with more than I intended to go with.
I got post  under video of  Iranian Canadian Guy  I have  criticized, that was full of hate  and I may assume wrote  by Russian Troll.    The rat of  Russian Tzar.
=================================================
So now it is the time to go to capacitors:

1. ''A capacitor is a passive two-terminal electrical component that stores potential energy in an electric field.
The effect of a capacitor is known as capacitance. Any capacitor is two or more  "plates" separated by a dielectric or insulator.
While some capacitance exists between any two electrical conductors in proximity in a circuit, a capacitor is a component designed to add capacitance to a circuit.
The capacitor was originally known as a condenser or condensator or kondensator.''

2. Capacitor behavior:

a.  For DC , A capacitor opposes a change in voltage,
Electrons will "pile up" on one of the plates of the capacitor.
As electrons are "piling up" on one plate, their presence there will create an electric field across the dielectric to the other plate.
The capacitor is charging, and the voltage source will, for the first instant of time, think that things are "fine" and current will flow.
But as the capacitor charges, current flow drops off, and it eventually stops when the voltage across the plates equals the source voltage.
The voltage developing across the plates of the capacitor opposes the battery voltage. Eventually the capacitor is charged and all current flow has stopped.
When implementing  pulse that has DC on he top of its maximum  amplitude  and AC component the rising and falling  edge  to the charged or non charged  capacitor ,
we are creating fluctuation in the capacitor  and current flow , voltage change till it saturates again.
Capacitors might switch places to charge and discharges

b.
  For AC  we have different forms of capacitors and capacitive reactions .
Statement: any conductor connected  or not connected  has  capacitance despite its form.
by that piece of wire has its own capacitance even it it physically represents one single piece of conductor.
b1. Current through a capacitor is proportional to the rate of change of voltage across it.
But in the case of dc supply, the rate of change of voltage is zero.
Hence the capacitor current is also zero.
   "Capacitive reactance -- the "resistance" of a capacitor to current flow -- is found by 1/(2*pi*f*C).
For high frequencies, this "resistance" is low, allowing current flow. The lower the frequency, the higher this "resistance" is.
DC or direct current is consider "zero" Hertz frequency and the capacitive reactance ("resistance") at this point is infinite, allowing no current flow at all.
So, the higher the frequency, the easier it is for the signal to pass through the capacitor; the lower the frequency, the more difficult it is for current to pass and impossible for DC.       "
b2. Use of capacitors that are "made as capacitors" does not differ in its behavior from any other  form of capacitance in any conductor.
Although it might be limited and not totally correct  answer, lets stay with that for now.
b3.  applications of capacitors:
The most common use for capacitors is energy storage. Additional uses include power conditioning, signal coupling or decoupling, electronic noise filtering, and remote sensing.
for example:
-The rectifier create half or full wave, the capacitor smooth it into a constant DC
-  filter the noise
-as time delay functions, let say an amplifier have a mute function on a power amplifier IC.
-Then a resistor and capacitor is used to create a voltage ramp so that the voltage can slowly rise until it turns the outputs on quietly
-Capacitors can be used across relay contacts to absorb back emf from inductive loads when relay switch off.
-Capacitors in switch mode regulators to convert pulse width modulated signals into regulated dc power rails.
-In split-rail power supplies, split-rail voltage converters use the charge-pump voltage doubler or Switched-Capacitor concept to convert one supply rail into two supply rails for example it converts +9V to a +9v and -9V rail.
-Capacitors resonant circuit (filters chokes)

c. Testing any capacitor
can be done by simply shorting out the two terminals to discharge any existing 'charge' (start from scratch, aka zero basis),
then connecting an ohm-meter to it to determine if it's capable of developing maximum resistance (charge build-up).
Quote
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_behaviour_of_a_capacitor_to_AC_and_DC (http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_behaviour_of_a_capacitor_to_AC_and_DC)
 A discharged capacitor will have zero resistance (dead-short, zero ohms),
-- wow really?.... or it is possibly infinite resistance?
Explanation from internet:
Quote
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_behaviour_of_a_capacitor_to_AC_and_DC (http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_behaviour_of_a_capacitor_to_AC_and_DC)
It doesn't matter if it is AC or DC.    When you apply voltage (put the terminals from your ohm-meter to it) across the leads, it should quickly build up resistance.
If you have an analogue meter, it will read shorted, then should quickly sweep to infinity.   
With a digital meter, it's a bit more difficult as the meter will 'sample' every so-often, refresh the display, then show an infinity resistance... leading you to think wtf is it doing? This happens very fast, and most often what will happen is that within 1-4 seconds of connecting your digital ohm meter to a cap, it'll blank the display, and do nothing afterwards.... which means it's reached it's limits of impedance measurement.   
This a simple basic way to test a capacitor to see if it is 'capacitating'.
There are more involved methods which involve T/RC to determine the actual value, but should be covered in detail  if needed.
Resistance to what? 
Pretty lady at the corner?
So crowd ,Are you happy? ???
?? Now? ???
??Gush...
Wesley's comment: this  quote from above was not made by physics guy, it was made just for general public to be happy, by  one of the members of that crowd.
So please to be little more conservative when accepting such explanations. !!!!

c1.
Does capacitor  have resistance :
The capacitor holds the charge until there is a path to ground and the capacitor discharges.
Actually, the capacitor is an open circuit. It has infinite resistance. (I will assume a DC circuit.)

Look at picture 1: or here https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/165364/resistance-of-capacitors (https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/165364/resistance-of-capacitors)

Summary:
Electrical parameters of capacitors  should be viewed ONLY from impedance stand point (and its impedance components  for AC.)
And for DC at - when  there is only  DC , it acts as infinite open circuit  or charged  open circuit.
There is not such thing as "resistive" resistance  of capacitors in the same form as in resistors .

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 30, 2018, 02:15:52 AM
Off Topic ... NO?

1.Solar Lab thank you for video time good spend. - simply  excellent.
2.some other  links  of yours, are intentionally  infected with tracking  module.
 It might not be just  work of "some" Russians , but it may.
It is how you guys get my IP as it is going to show anyhow.
Little snack  to get my attention  and than  here you go.
Someone needs to know where I'm traveling right?
How is it show  USA right?
good.....
3.I assume you did not know about it?
 I have heard  about  great opportunity :   "Get paid to be a snitch!"


Real friendly advice Donald Trump  said once :
We can be friends .. if we can!
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 30, 2018, 04:26:51 AM
We appear to again be wandering off onto esoteric operating theories that really in my opinion do not relate to what we witness as in Kapanadze's various demos. Kapanadze stated to a.king21's team during the Aqua2 demo, along the lines, that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance. Also, Kapanadze was wary of operataing the device during stormy weather conditions. This information, if accurate, does not suggest to me that the source of energy was from the ground. The Aqua 2 device apparently had just one ground wire, so could not have operated using the two ground rod principle shown by Wesley. The clues here rather suggest an aeriel source of energy that is returned to ground via the device. Those that have carefully studied the 'green box' series of videos will have seen an aeriel wire from the perimeter fence adjacent the roadway, to the tree in the garden. Although its not possible to conclude that this wire was carrying energy to the device, nonetheless, in my opinion, its far more unlikely that the source of energy was contained within the device box itself. Ruling out simple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??

Hi Hoppy. I personally make no definite assumptions about how these setups might actually work,
if any do really work. That could end up leading a person down the garden path if they make one or more wrong assumptions.
However, we do know all the basic components used by people like Prentice and maybe Daly
as well, so, for people who are interested, experimenting with similar setups without making
any assumptions where ever possible is probably not a bad approach to take.

If the story and video of Kapanadze's demo on the island is at all accurate, there wasn't likely
any chance of Kapanadze or his friends preparing anything at the unknown location in advance.

Regarding Prentice. In 1923 when 'energy shortages' were probably unheard of, there wasn't likely any large
and pressing monetary motivation for Prentice to 'make up' the claims he made in his patent application. He probably
just viewed it as an interesting anomaly that might potentially be made use of commercially some day, but there probably
wasn't any  pressing motivation at all back then for Prentice or others to spend too much time investigating it further.
This is why I find his patent document to be very interesting, and why I have posted the details here again.

My thought is why the sparkgap at the end of the long wire? Could it be doing something similar to what Kapanadze is using one for?
The problem for experimenters is sparkgaps generate a lot of HV electrical 'noise' (wideband radiation) and it often makes
digital equipment go on the blink or sometimes blows circuits. Not so easy to work with if you want to try to do careful measurements. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 30, 2018, 04:44:29 AM
Void and  Hoppy . Thank you for your comments.
I must agree with void in something.
Digging in, researching, experimenting  is better than doing nothing.
And if you still in the same place than what?
Did you lose  something but time?
The time is gona go  anyhow so what?
Did you lose some money?
I'm not so that sure,
Everything I bought and did not need any longer, I have  sold  for more than I paid for it.
Some time  a lot... to many times more than a lot .
So it all depends  - where you buying it from and  who do you sale it to.
Hoppy my friend, you are one of few very much important people here.
Please understand I  do not have frustration  at all.
I'm just incredibly happy  from being able to be with you guys and do what I love to do, despite any financial gain One might  have in mind .
Could not care less.
I could always  decide to do the same what Genepax and Lutec and EBM did...
I do not intend to do it.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on June 30, 2018, 09:58:44 AM

My thought is why the sparkgap at the end of the long wire? Could it be doing something similar to what Kapanadze is using one for?
The problem for experimenters is sparkgaps generate a lot of HV electrical 'noise' (wideband radiation) and it often makes
digital equipment go on the blink or sometimes blows circuits. Not so easy to work with if you want to try to do careful measurements. :)
Hi Void,

Interesting thought about the Prentice long line spark-gap. If the Prentice patent bears a resemblance to Kapanadze's devices, then it might explain the apparently low tech and rather crudely contructed devices in his demos. The grenade might be acting as a HV step-down transformer. As you say, its a difficult platform for experimentation.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 30, 2018, 01:09:25 PM


It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.



Hoppy, Void, Wesley,..

I agree with Void's statement,.... when will we start making some practical propsels for the bench?
As i think the last comments from Hoppy and Void about the number of ground connections etc. is being discussed long enough now.

Somebody any idea how to discover some aspects by proposing a bench / garden testsetup.

I would start by using a Microwave transformer ( for the following numbers in the scheamtic of Prentice)  1 to 7) in order to feed the primairy  912) of a tesla coil ( with spark gap) in order to get as close as possible to the 100kV.
Next can we use a 40 meter wire?.... and tune it approx @ 1.8- 2 Mhz?

Greetings

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 30, 2018, 03:11:56 PM
.... that the earth ground was not essential and that the device could work without it, albeit at reduced performance.ple deliberate faking, then maybe Kapanadze discovered some clever method of extracting energy using an elevated long horizontal aerial??
Ground wire was explained  in previous paragraph.
The only addition  to the ground section is capacitive coupling / inductive coupling
I did not go with that yet. (  paragraph  - impedance)

The main statement is.
EVERY CIRCUIT with flowing current must be closed circuit
 or other wording :

A circuit must be  presenting closed conducting path in order for a current to flow
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 30, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
Hoppy, Void, Wesley,..

when will we start making some practical propsels for the bench?
Somebody any idea how to discover some aspects by proposing a bench / garden testsetup.

I would start by using a Microwave transformer ( for the following numbers in the scheamtic of Prentice)  1 to 7) in order to feed the primairy  912) of a tesla coil ( with spark gap) in order to get as close as possible to the 100kV.
Next can we use a 40 meter wire?.... and tune it approx @ 1.8- 2 Mhz?

Greetings
The first tests  I suggested to make  I have  explained here:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522948/#msg522948 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522948/#msg522948)
According to your expectations
Quote
bench / garden testsetup.

Maybe you had in mind factor of expectations
- means what we are looking for.
We are looking for electric /electrostatic/ magnetic/ electromagnetic circuit response  :
-that includes but is not limited to HV impulses   "pumped" to  one of the two grounds
-HV electrostatic  potential in uninterrupted stage and its stability
-HV  impulses   "pumped" to  one of the two grounds losses gains, "arteffects" read at another ground in presence of Telluric current / or without .

After that   is done
we go to another set of tests including capacitors and Tesla coil
 
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 30, 2018, 05:31:55 PM
The first tests  I suggested to make  I have  explained here:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522948/#msg522948
According to your expectations

Wesley

Wesley,
Thats the post from Void i guess?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 30, 2018, 06:02:38 PM
Apercore  Thank You.
It is general suggestion to these who wants to experiment.

 For all others waiting  for some action
I'm repeating my note from the  very first post of mine   in here.
Think of it as  My Diary
1.You can be a part of it.

2.It does not matter how much  or how little of profit or benefit you going to have being here as voluntary participants.
Everything is allowed to post that might be helpful.

However Russian Trools, Tzar Rats or any other nuisances are not allowed here. 

For these who do not understand it , especially coming from foreign language :
nuisance - is a person, thing, or circumstance causing inconvenience or annoyance.
======================================================
I'm filled with or showing great emotion to better of everyone of you.

That includes the Trolls and rats of  hostile regimes.
I think that  presenting to them much better alternative, or  making their  present activity  on verge of collapse 
due to  technological advance , stops   oppression systems supporting them.
Killers and criminals will not change , the  will just be unemployed .
Mostly they  are good just in what  they did in the past.

Please also note that in my personal opinion  present Russian System  can accept only radical methods of elimination.
Such as FE device

As much as I'm confident in  FE  I have worries  as well . I explained  it  so many times.
I want earth to be better place for humanity but not  to the point of mass devastation of  earth resources by  human kind  that " from now" is just
heaving good and easy life and multiply by numbers  till they have not much left all around to support them.
Wesley


 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 30, 2018, 06:22:10 PM
Apercore  Thank You.
It is general suggestion to these who wants experiment.

 For all others waiting  for some action
I'm repeating my note from the  very first post of mine   in here.
Think of it as  My Diary
1.You can be a part of it.

2.It does not matter how much  or how little of profit or benefit you going to have being here as voluntary participants.
Everything is allowed to post that might be helpful.

However Russian Trools, Tzar Rats or any other nuisances are not allowed here. 

For these who do not understand it , especially coming from foreign language :
nuisance - is a person, thing, or circumstance causing inconvenience or annoyance.
======================================================
I'm filled with or showing great emotion to better of everyone of you.

That includes the Trolls and rats of  hostile regimes.
I think that  presenting to them much better alternative, or  making their  present activity  on verge of collapse 
due to  technological advance , stops   oppression systems supporting them.
Killers and criminals will not change , the  will just be unemployed .
Mostly they  are good just in what  they did in the past.

Please also note that in my personal opinion  present Russian System  can accept only radical methods of elimination.
Such as FE device

As much as I'm confident in  FE  I have worries  as well . I explained  it  so many times.
I want earth to be better place for humanity but not  to the point of mass devastation of  earth resources by  human kind  that " from now" is just
heaving good and easy life and multiply by numbers  till they have not much left all around to support them.
Wesley

Wesley,
 i was only suggesting/ asking about doing some test work in order to make some practical steps forward, regarding the statement Void made in this.


Al the opinions about who and whoem are trolls or other kinds of people here i don 't give a dXmm...
I do understand you had and probally have some hard time with so called trolls etc.
But again..  i m only here for testing and learning even if it is a troll who is supporting me or us.

I hope you do understand me,...  its not personal ment ..  but only a reflection of who i am as a person.


Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 30, 2018, 06:29:35 PM
Hi Apecore. Unfortunately I think no one can say for certain what might work and what might not.
My suggestion is for anyone interested to look at the basic components of circuits by
people like Daly, Akula, and Prentice, and try some different setups and see what kind of results you get.
If anyone gets any interesting results, they can post those results here if they like.

You are right that it is better to just ignore trolls and that sort of thing and focus energy on
positive things like exchanging ideas and trying experiments based on those ideas to look for any
interesting results. There will always be trolls and naysayers. No one can likely stop that so giving them
attention is probably just a waste of time and energy. :)

P.S.
General Warning/Disclaimer: High Voltage can be very dangerous. People should make sure they are fully aware of how to work with high voltage
safely before experimenting with it. Microwave oven transformers have high power capability and can easily kill a person.
Anyone experimenting with this kind of stuff experiments at their own risk. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 30, 2018, 06:43:27 PM
I think the following attached drawing is the general idea of how these setups might be 'over unity' (COP > 1).
The drawing is not at all meant to be a working OU circuit, but just shows the general idea of how these setups
might possibly achieve COP > 1. When we include interaction with the surrounding environment in a setup, we may
no longer have an entirely 'closed loop system', and the potential is there at least for seeing a COP > 1 by drawing in
energy from the environment somehow. Exactly how it might work, such as capturing cosmic or solar radiations / high energetic particles
or ions or other charged particles, or by resonating with telluric currents, or drawing in 'energy from the vacuum', etc. is still anyone's
guess I think, unless someone wants to spill the beans here. :) 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on June 30, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
I think the following attached drawing is the general idea of how these setups might be 'over unity' (COP > 1).
The drawing is not at all meant to be a working OU circuit, but just shows the general idea of how these setups
might possibly achieve COP > 1. When we include interaction with the surrounding environment in a setup, we may
no longer have an entirely 'closed loop system', and the potential is there at least for seeing a COP > 1 by drawing in
'energy' from the environment somehow. Exactly how it works, such as capturing cosmic radiations / high energetic particles
or ions or other charged particles, or by resonating with telluric currents, or drawing in 'energy from the vacuum', etc. is still anyone's
guess I think, unless someone wants to spill the beans here. :)
Apercore thank you for suggestions  I appreciate it very much.
========================================

Void
1. There is no overunity  in any form, but there is something that looks  and presents itselves to our receptors  like overunity
 So I would agree to  such scenario:
a. the device is connected to the ground but must still be seen as closed circuit by any means.
b. the device  has resistive load
c. the device powers this load and load dissipates energy delivered .
d. the device might not be evidently  allowing us to understand its closed loop  structure.
e. there must be energy source that  than is converted by the device and delivered to the load.
f. it can be in form   of electron flow to the device by means of use  force based mechanism
    f1. force based mechanism  might be  electrostatic potential, but than we need  mechanism  supporting sustainability of such potential for the process to be  continuous at given time frame.
    f2. force mechanism  might be electric field, magnetic  component  of  electromagnetic field as long as it is not static from the stand point of  the FE device.
    f3. it must be presence of motion, - by means of classical or quantum physics.

In  simple words
-something must give  up  energy
- something else must convert that energy
- something else must store this energy
- something else must dissipate that energy

It was done many times in the past by use of wind solar  river flow  gravity and so on.


 Void what program do you use to draw your schematics?


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 30, 2018, 07:12:03 PM
Hi Apecore. Unfortunately I think no one can say for certain what might work and what might not.
My suggestion is for anyone interested to look at the basic components of circuits by
people like Daly, Akula, and Prentice, and try some different setups and see what kind of results you get.
If anyone gets any interesting results, they can post those results here if they like.


Void,
Thanks again for your response.
I do agree we do not know what might work...  but we do have the oppertunity to disclose  f.e.  Wyatt's system step by step,...  by doing tests and see whats happening,....  important is the explanation why it will or won't do what was expected.

I like your simple approach in your last post....  i do agree we have to "cut "the elefant in pieces...  else we won t get in "standing up and walk"

I d like to combine the next step..    the resonance of the wire(19) in to your simple schematic.
In my opinion a  wave wil to fit into wire (19)...  The patent is suggesting that 0.8Km  compares with 0.5Mhz....  when tuned..  its close to the ( 300/ 800 = 0.375Mhz)...
In this case probably a full wave between secondary (13) and SG (21)...
When we use shorter wire length ratio's the frequenty will increase.... 

I did some measurements on a 40meter wire in my garden... placing it in a big circle in order to have the both ends close together for measuring the inductance.
This 40meter wire has a inductance of approx 55uH.
If we want to start from the convetional way...  (Coil>> Cap>> resonance) ..  the HV caps connected to earth will be very small.
As comparing to the Wyatt setup..  the frequenty at a 40Meter wire would be 20 times higher....  about 10Mhz..

Unless this all makes it proabably much difficult i do think we need to stay as much as possible to the original Wyatt patent configuration.
I hope you agree with this approach.

Greetings



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 30, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
...
 Void what program do you use to draw your schematics?
Wesley

Hi Wesley.
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing, as you have reiterated some of the same concepts as what I said. :)
When we 'open a system' to the environment in some way, the system is potentially at least no longer a fully closed system.
I used the term 'OU', because it is in common usage, but the more acceptable way to say it I think is COP > 1.
A heat pump is an  example of a setup which draws in energy from the environment and which can have a COP > 1.

I personally would not get hung up on the idea of it must be electrons or ions or whatever specifically being drawn in,
as it appears it is still a mystery at this point. How it actually works might possibly be something that is still
not understood at all.

Wesley I used DigiKey's free online schematic drawing application at this link:
https://www.digikey.com/schemeit
You just need to create a user account with DigiKey I think to use it for free.
It can do basic schematic drawings.
When I was done I just did a screen capture of the drawing to save it to a picture file.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on June 30, 2018, 07:49:03 PM
Apecore, it sounds like a good experiment approach to me.
I have conducted a number of experiments along this line already in the past,
so I am now taking a bit of time to review some of the basic setups by Kapanadze, Prentice, Daly, Akula again
and thinking about it all some more. As soon as I get some time I will continue with more experiments.
I am still reviewing info and thinking more about it all right at the moment. Trying to think
of some different approaches to take based on what I have already tried in my previous experiments. :)




Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on June 30, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
Apecore, it sounds like a good experiment approach to me.
I have conducted a number of experiments along this line already in the past,
so I am now taking a bit of time to review some of the basic setups by Kapanadze, Prentice, Daly, Akula again
and thinking about it all some more. As soon as I get some time I will continue with more experiments.
I am still reviewing info and thinking more about it all right at the moment. Trying to think
of some different approaches to take based on what I have already tried in my previous experiments. :)

Ok i m fine with that.

I will see if i can make a setup running on either a sub harmonic (primairy side)..  in order to tune the secundairy at the approx. 10Mhz.
Getting it running and stable...   should be the first goal.

And of coarse frequenty adjustable in order to tune the secundairy frequenty in most efficient way

Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 01, 2018, 02:46:43 AM
Negative resistance generator: Chua’s Circuit Presentation and Applications chaotic generator.
some reference material.
We are interested with impedance  generator  based on  resistance generator.
http://www.analogzoo.com/2018/01/negative-impedance-converters/ (http://www.analogzoo.com/2018/01/negative-impedance-converters/)
 http://www.jestr.org/downloads/Volume6Issue4/fulltext11642013.pdf (http://www.jestr.org/downloads/Volume6Issue4/fulltext11642013.pdf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIBFuuJiy4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIBFuuJiy4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XsyeFfp-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-XsyeFfp-U) (#0124) Relay Relaxation Oscillator with Negative Resistance

Wesley


 
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: mkjekyll on July 01, 2018, 08:25:53 AM
Hi Wesley,

is there a location on here where you have placed the diagrams or other information on the device from your video Working OU device Video from Wesley?

I don't know if there is a place on this site dedicated to replications, if not there should be.

Did you happen to determine if the unit no longer worked if it was flipped over like the Mark TPU or if it created the gravitic cogging effect from pushing it one a smooth surface?

Thanks,
Mick
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 01, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
Wesley to Dr Hans
Dr Hans entschuldige ich mich wirklich für so viel informellen Weg meines Briefs.
Ich passte es an. Ich habe dieselben Ergebnisse. Jetzt warte ich auf Ihre Entscheidung.
Sind wir bereit, oder Sie wollen, dass ich warte?

Als Antwort auf Ihre Bedenken. Ihre Hingabe und unsere Freundschaft ist das Wichtigste für mich.

Ich werde dich nicht ohne dich bewegen.
Bitte sichere Daten.
Ja, es kann jedem von uns passieren.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: mkjekyll on July 01, 2018, 05:49:18 PM
With a grounded system one is looking at something similar to the lightening return stroke. The earth echos back a reciprocal of the E wave which needs to be converted from it's conjugant state by plasma coupling or inductance. Each bolt of lightening has up to six strokes one to the earth one back from the earth etc.   http://apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/classes/met130/notes/chapter14/stroke3.html

look here, can you see the quandry of this Tesla device? 
It is also negative resistance and what he used to record lightening strikes:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes02.htm#Colorado%20Springs%20Notes%20-%20June%201-30,%201899

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 02, 2018, 04:47:46 AM
Dieser Kerl ist bekannt für die lange Zeit. Ich habe einige Male mit ihm gesprochen.
Zum ersten Mal im Jahr 2013 benutzte er zwei Erdung Drähte.
1 Warmwasser aus Gusseisen-Heizkörper.
2. Massekabel vom russischen Haus Steckdose
Dr Hans.Bitte zahlen keine Aufmerksamkeit auf seine elektronischen Schaltplan.
Es ist nicht wichtig, dass jetzt sein Video für Sie zu übersetzen.
RomanCorp erklären nicht den wichtigsten Teil von seinem Schaltplan - Generator (G).
Wir haben unsere eigenen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvWeqvyh3NA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvWeqvyh3NA&feature=youtu.be)

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 06:01:45 AM
Hi Wesley. While the two separate earth ground approach may very possibly be a viable
way to achieve COP > 1 (Frank Prentice used two separate earth ground connections on his transmitting long wire, for example),
in all the Kapanadze demos videos I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time). You have
seen Kapanadze's setup operating up close in person once or twice right? Do you agree that it only used one earth ground connection?
Just want to see if we are on the same page on at least that particular detail. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 06:40:36 AM
Negative resistance generator: Chua’s Circuit Presentation and Applications chaotic generator.
some reference material.
We are interested with impedance  generator  based on  resistance generator.
http://www.analogzoo.com/2018/01/negative-impedance-converters/ (http://www.analogzoo.com/2018/01/negative-impedance-converters/)

Interesting video!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 02, 2018, 11:14:11 AM

...in all the Kapanadze demos videos I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time).
Indeed; the very point I've been plugging! Its for this fact that I don't see how telluric currents can be the source of energy for Kapanadze's devices. The clues suggest that the earth ground is acting as a sink for the energy, not the source of the energy. I've yet to see a plausible suggestion as to a likely source of 'free' natural energy driving the Kapanadze devices.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 02, 2018, 05:12:31 PM
I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time).
Do you agree that he only used one earth ground connection?
In presentation made for me Tariel used only one ground wire.


In the picture from my last post Romancorp  used two grounds one was the ground
connected to heating system  pipe feeding cast iron radiator.
the second  ground was neutral wire from  the outlet.

But in my posts in regards to capacitive coupling and antenna theory.
-So  antenna  at 10th floor of the building uses counterpoise or  balancing mechanism  for the antenna to work.
-So the antenna of the car radio  uses metal body of the car as counterbalance.
-So  the  your  cellphone walkie- talkie ( hand-held, portable, two-way radio transceiver.) uses human body as counterbalance.
 at the time when your cellphone is on the table  far  from your body . the microprocessor of your fractal antenna  in side  makes SWR balancing with earth.

However  early versions of  cellphones did not use such   microprocessors and that is why they have had antennas.
Mismatching of impedance  from output  of TX often made  High End- (the RF amplifier)  to burn.
That is why  these devices  where  bulky . Due to that fact Wireless Cell Network was at that time designed to have 1 mile radius and not more than 1W output form cellphone RF transistor to an antenna.
That made Cellphones to be smaller but still heavy.( at that time)

Matching impedance  of an antenna to expected 50 Ohm ( standard)  output  of TX  by means of capacitive adjustable coupling with  counterbalance  ( ground)
is always done by LC circuitry.-where C and cpacitive reactance is leading.
Negative  effect of  this is that  if you look at Smith Chart you dealing with circuit  showing leading Capacitive Reactance means High  Voltage , low current

Summary:
In regards to Loads. Please  first  read
power factor correction capacitors :
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_lagging_power_factor_and_leading_power_factor (http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_lagging_power_factor_and_leading_power_factor)
In Kapanadze or any other later designs  ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT MUST BE CLOSED LOOP.
You can employ any possible means or technique but  the system will only work if that condition is present.

If you look at  waveguide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide)
it does not differ from natural waveguide of the earth and ionosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93ionosphere_waveguide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%E2%80%93ionosphere_waveguide)
Most of the things were made buy nature and we only  repeated it into the scale of our comfort.

By that  you may see physical one ground  only ,and that is what gives you  the headache.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 02, 2018, 06:10:29 PM
Wesley,
Please explain how antenna theory relates to Kapanadze's devices?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 06:37:05 PM
Indeed; the very point I've been plugging! Its for this fact that I don't see how telluric currents can be the source of energy for Kapanadze's devices. The clues suggest that the earth ground is acting as a sink for the energy, not the source of the energy. I've yet to see a plausible suggestion as to a likely source of 'free' natural energy driving the Kapanadze devices.

Hi Hoppy. I agree that natural pre-existing telluric currents do not seem like a likely explanation for Kapanadze's
or even Frank Prentice's setups. It seems possible to me that these setups do induce earth currents (telluric currents)
in some way as a result of their operation however, but still that might not be the whole picture there.

The natural tendency is for people to try to analyze and explain these setups using a conventional understanding of DC and
AC circuits and radio and EM wave theory, etc, but the problem with that approach is that conventional analysis seemingly has no way to
explain how these setups can produce a COP > 1. This of course leads many people trained in science and engineering to assume that all people
making claims of COP > 1 with electrical or mechanical devices along these lines must either be frauds or nut cases. :) However, when I look
at cases like Frank Prentice and even Kapanadze, I have to say that there could possibly really be something going on in some cases
with these type of setups that defies conventional analysis and understanding. This is why I say it is probably better to
make no definite assumptions about how it might be producing a COP > 1, because conventional analysis of these setups may well just
lead you further down the garden path. What is really going on may be something that is just not understood yet, or maybe only
just hypothesized about in some scientific circles. That's how I see it anyway. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 02, 2018, 06:41:35 PM
Wesley,
Please explain how antenna theory relates to Kapanadze's devices?
Antenna theory explains balancing and grounding system.
antenna must have ground  to be able to work.

The structure of antenna and Transmitter must have ground.
But in practice your  receptors do not see the  ground.
So where is the ground?

By that  we may ask  where is the second ground in Tariel device?
But that is actually very good for us- the people  assuming that  Tariel Device works.
Artificial ground
https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2118 (https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/2118)


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 07:11:09 PM
In presentation made for me Tariel used only one ground wire.

In the picture from my last post Romancorp  used two grounds one was the ground
connected to heating system  pipe feeding cast iron radiator.
the second  ground was neutral wire from  the outlet.
...

Hi Wesley. I think that the Romancorp guy has made some interesting experiments, but I don't
know that he has ever showed anything that looks like it might be a self-runner. Have you seen
a video of his that shows what looks like it might be a self-running setup? I have only watched a
few of his videos in the past. Hard for westerners to follow since he is speaking Russian.

BTW Wesley. You seem to be assuming that everyone in these forums has little or no knowledge of physics or
electronics and radio/antenna theory etc. Hoppy is trained in electronics I believe and he has many
years of experience at the bench from what I understand, and I am also formerly trained in electronics and
electrical engineering, although I have made my actual living in another area for the past many years.

I understand well about capacitors and inductors and AC circuit theory, including power factor and power factor correction, 
and have even learned to create and use Smith charts a long time ago (I don't remember so much about them specifically any more),
and I have a fair bit of experience experimenting with different types of antenna setups in the past as well.

It is because of that knowledge and experience that I am inclined to think that using conventional analysis of these sort of setups
may only take you so far before you run into a wall, and may even lead you astray if you try to hold to that approach too rigidly.
Something seems to be going on in these setups which appears to defy conventional analysis, although I do
leave the door open that maybe there is a way to explain the operation of these setups with current understanding
and analysis approaches. 

Frank Prentice tried to explain how his setup was producing a COP >1 by hypothesizing about his
setup resonating on a similar frequency as telluric currents, as I think for patent applications you have
to give some indication that you understand what makes your 'invention' work, but some of Frank Prentice's
other comments in his patent doc indicate that the frequency he needed to tune to was very dependent
on the height of his long wire above the ground. There was not one specific frequency that made it produce
a COP > 1. For this reason I think he was probably just guessing, offering an 'explanation' that seemed to
make sense from a conventional understanding point of view. :)

This is how I see things anyway. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 02, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
I do appreciate it very much Hoppy and Void.
I do  have pleasure dealing with people  who are interacting with me , by  asking questions and submitting their critical thinking.
The only difference  between us is that I do not doubt the fact that Tariel Device works.
I'm human being and by that I'm also  exposed to typical errors  of such creature.
I step very hard  on that what is real  and  what is not.
But to be able to do  that I must have reference point.
And I do have strong  real reference point  that  at this time is mostly property of
people who  wants me to go  out  with all of this to the certain point.
Unfortunate is that  most of my work in this area is related to  their work.
If it was all  me and only me in this  equation   I would not hide nor patent any of it 

RomanCorp  showed few times the device  based on  the same very  concept. But he used  different means to generate  this effect.
On that video above  you see LED  and all circuit
He is money oriented , typical nothing  wrong with that.
He  explained  most of his setup quite  well, however he  skept  that what I mark in  read circle   with the letter "G"

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 02, 2018, 09:26:28 PM
The natural tendency is for people to try to analyze and explain these setups using a conventional understanding of DC and
AC circuits and radio and EM wave theory, etc, but the problem with that approach is that conventional analysis seemingly has no way to
explain how these setups can produce a COP > 1. This of course leads many people trained in science and engineering to assume that all people
making claims of COP > 1 with electrical or mechanical devices along these lines must either be frauds or nut cases. :) However, when I look
at cases like Frank Prentice and even Kapanadze, I have to say that there could possibly really be something going on in some cases
with these type of setups that defies conventional analysis and understanding. This is why I say it is probably better to
make no definite assumptions about how it might be producing a COP > 1, because conventional analysis of these setups may well just
lead you further down the garden path. What is really going on may be something that is just not understood yet, or maybe only
just hypothesized about in some scientific circles. That's how I see it anyway. :)

Void, Hoppy and Wesley,

You may hit the nail on his head.
If it is indeed a convential engineered setup ... probably many many related types of setups would be working for many years already.
The big secret is far from conventional electronics.... just think about Tesla's or Prentice background knowledge before they start discovering and testing.
There was no conventional knowledge as we have now.......
Difficulty is not to think in modern electronics ....on the other hand people without electronic background these days won' t start testing with these kind of setups.
So all stays uncovered.....(are we not all being trolled..... from the start we went to high school?)

We all think in resonance ....LC..... but never in earth_resonance....Tesla did...and Prentice also.
Maybe we only need to focuss on the phenomenom as Tesla did and what he or Prentice drove forward to there discovery?

Unfortunatel i did not finished my electric engineering....but maybe this will not constrain me thinking in different area.
But nevertheless we still need electronics... so you guys are still needed here.... its only the way we configure... hook_up and tune our devices have to be different.

Question...where they able to work into the Mhz region those days in 1920?
Is it for that they used longer wires because the frequency was the bottleneck?

Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 02, 2018, 09:26:43 PM
OK lets consider a Tesla coil, it probably has a L1 Primary of 800 turns, perhaps a 1Mhry inductance, but lets look at the L2 coil 2 or 3 Turns
perhaps .4uh inductance where we pulse it has any one made any experioments trying to tune the thing for optimum performance,
had any results ?

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 09:54:57 PM
Void, Hoppy and Wesley,

You may hit the nail on his head.
If it is indeed a convential engineered setup ... probably many many related types of setups would be working for many years already.
The big secret is far from conventional electronics.... just think about Tesla's or Prentice background knowledge before they start discovering and testing.
There was no conventional knowledge as we have now.......
Difficulty is not to think in modern electronics ....on the other hand people without electronic background these days won' t start testing with these kind of setups.
So all stays uncovered.....(are we not all being trolled..... from the start we went to high school?)

We all think in resonance ....LC..... but never in earth_resonance....Tesla did...and Prentice also.
Maybe we only need to focuss on the phenomenom as Tesla did and what he or Prentice drove forward to there discovery?

Unfortunatel i did not finished my electric engineering....but maybe this will not constrain me thinking in different area.
But nevertheless we still need electronics... so you guys are still needed here.... its only the way we configure... hook_up and tune our devices have to be different.

Question...where they able to work into the Mhz region those days in 1920?
Is it for that they used longer wires because the frequency was the bottleneck?

Greetings

Hi apecore. Yes, it does seem it may well have something to do with resonating with the surrounding ground
by making use of at least one earth ground connection, but the strange thing here is Kapanadze has apparently claimed
that his setup can still work without an earth ground connection, but probably with poorer performance I would guess, and
Prentice also said he could connect a metal wire between the two ends of his long wire bypassing the ground hop, but it reduced
the performance, and Akula demonstrated in one of his earlier demonstration videos that his setup would still seemingly self run with
the earth ground wire not connected, but apparently with less power output capacity. This is where the mind starts to boggle if any or all
of this is legitimate. It seems to throw more conventional notions of making use of earth currents to get  a COP > 1 out the window.
Something a little more unusual than that appears to be at play if the claims about bypassing or not using any earth ground
connections at all by these people and still seeing a COP > 1 are accurate.

Yes, it is possible higher frequencies in the higher MHz range could still work, since we don't know as yet what really might make these things
produce a COP > 1. People who are thinking about these setups should consider that these setups can still apparently self run without an
earth ground connection. Akula demonstrated this specifically in one of his earlier video demonstrations, if you accept that his setups might be legit.
For whatever reason, these setups apparently work a lot better when connected to a good earth ground. That would seem to be a clue
of some sort. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 02, 2018, 10:04:19 PM

........ but the strange thing here is Kapanadze has apparently claimed
that his setup can still work without an earth ground connection, but probably with poorer performance I would guess, and
Prentice also said he could connect a metal wire between the two ends of his long wire bypassing the ground hop, but it reduced
the performance, and Akula demonstrated in one of his earlier demonstration videos that his setup would still seemingly self run with
the earth ground wire not connected, but apparently with less power output capacity.


Don t forget,...  wire laying on the ground or metal parts near the ground do have ground connection due it has capacitance......which could explains why the performance is less.
The air is electrostatic...  so a conductor.
Again.... always a closed loop with earth,...  we only set things in motion....  vibrating ...  creating waves as Tesla said :)


greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 10:14:34 PM
Don t forget,...  wire laying on the ground or metal parts near the ground do have ground connection due it has capacitance......which could explains why the performance is less.
The air is electrostatic...  so a conductor.
Again.... always a closed loop with earth,...  we only set things in motion....  vibrating ...  creating waves as Tesla said :)
greetings

Hi apecore. Yes, this is true, but realistically the capacitance to ground of an electronic circuit
like Kapandze and Akula have used, sitting on a chair or a table is relatively small (maybe 1000pF or less as
a rough guess). We are talking about circuit setups that need to produce say at least 50 to 100 Watts to be able to self
loop and keep running. Try an experiment where you must rapidly pulse charge a capacitor of say 1000pF or less
and try to draw at least 50 Watts average power off that capacitor. I think you would need a very, very high pulse frequency to achieve
that by conventional means, if you follow me.
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 02, 2018, 10:26:08 PM
Hi apecore. Yes, this is true, but realistically the capacitance to ground of an electronic circuit
like Kapandze and Akula have used, sitting on a chair or a table is relatively small (maybe 1000pF or less as
a rough guess). We are talking about circuit setups that need to produce say at least 50 to 100 Watts to be able to self
loop and keep running. Try an experiment where you must rapidly pulse charge a capacitor of say 1000pF or less
and try to draw at least 50 Watts average power off that capacitor. I think you would need a very, very high pulse frequency to achieve
that by conventional means, if you follow me.

Or a high voltage and less puls frequenty.

P = 0.5 x C x V^2 x f


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 10:58:25 PM
Here is something else to consider.
Kapanadze's 2004 demo video showed what appeared to be a very simple setup.
220V AC in connected to a power transformer and what looked like a diode full wave bridge rectifier.
A couple of devices on black heat sinks, which were probably transistors, his simple coil assembly, and 
a small tobacco can with some wires running into it from the various external components. I think maybe there was
possibly another external cap visible near the diode bridge if I remember correctly. Besides an external ground wire connection,
that was the extent of his 2004 setup.

if you look at the way the sparkgap glowed in that 2004 video demonstration, it was clear that the
sparkgap was conducting relatively low current, and it was probably running at a least a kHz and very
possibly a bit higher in the kHz range to appear the way it appears in that video. This leads me to think that the
two devices on the two black heat sinks were probably transistors used in a push pull arrangement to
drive something like a small flyback transformer inside the tobacco can. The type of glow on the
sparkgap looks very much like the glow you will see from a flyback transformer discharging through a sparkgap and
running roughly in the frequency range of about 15 to 20 kHz or thereabouts.

In some later Kapanadze demonstrations he showed a sparkgap that seem to discharge at a lot lower
frequency and it glowed white like it was conducting a lot larger current. This could possibly have been done
in these later demonstrations to try to throw people off. The 2004 demo seems more interesting to me
because Kapanadze didn't seem to be trying to hide things too much except for what was in the tobacco can.
Maybe Kapanadze does make some sort of home-made capacitor or other component which he kept hidden
in the tobacco can.

What I am trying to point out here is the sparkgap seen in the 2004 demonstration was definitely
discharging at a low current (the soft violet glow color) and looks very similar to a sparkgap driven
by a simple flyback driver in the range of 15kHz to 25 kHz or so. In other words, the sparkgap looks like it
was probably driven by a typical flyback driver or some other very similar type of HV transformer driver.

Simple circuit setup.
220V at 50 Hz in.
Probably a flyback driver or very similar driving the sparkgap at low current. The flyback transofrmer may have been in the tobacco can (it would fit with no problem).
Maybe something else hidden in the tobacco can. Maybe a homemade capacitor as some people have speculated, or some other mystery component.
An earth ground connection.

That's all there was to it. There wasn't a whole lot of room in the tobacco can for much else.
Again I understand why many think it must be fake. There just wasn't a whole lot there.
However, if it is not fake, then it boggles the mind.
Such a simple setup with the sparkgap only conducting very low current, yet it apparently self ran
and could apparently power five 1 kW light bulbs at least fairly brightly while self running.
This is why I say that if it really works it may well be working on a principle that is as yet not understood. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 02, 2018, 11:00:22 PM
Or a high voltage and less puls frequenty.

P = 0.5 x C x V^2 x f

The voltage would have to be very high. Also, we are not likely really talking about 1000pF,
as only certain wires or coils had high voltage on them, The capacitance to earth from
high voltage wires or coils was probably a fair bit less I would think. :) Akula showed in that
demo I mentioned that he could light some bulbs as well as self run without an earth ground wire connected. 
If it was legit, at any rate it seems something way out of the ordinary was occurring, whatever it may be. :)
I think we should be able to at least agree on that.

Prentice seems to have taken a bit different approach back in 1923, but given the general similarities to Kapanadze's setup
it may possibly work on the same mysterious principle (if they really work).

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: mkjekyll on July 02, 2018, 11:48:51 PM
In Teslas system he concentrated on the B field for his wireless.  If one will notice his later systems are always inductively matched to the ground then antenna wise  a top load to capacitively couple to the air with a spherical cap.  Modern RF we have abandoned the idea of ground match coupling beyond a mismatched wire, well aside from sub communication.  Purturbing the scalar earth magnetic field and taking advantage of this on the receiving end works wonders.

Look at the Magnifying Transmitter patent and one can determine Dr Tesla was using 1/4 wave resonator for about 1mhz although the calculations are not quite accurate as the earth has a diff speed of propogation to free air.

Modulating RF as PM or FM produces the longitudinal factor which with dual sideband can deliver about 16/1 info over carrier freq. as with 4g
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 03, 2018, 12:51:47 AM
The voltage would have to be very high. Also, we are not likely really talking about 1000pF,
as only certain wires or coils had high voltage on them, The capacitance to earth from
high voltage wires or coils was probably a fair bit less I would think. :) Akula showed in that
demo I mentioned that he could light some bulbs as well as self run without an earth ground wire connected. 
If it was legit, at any rate it seems something way out of the ordinary was occurring, whatever it may be. :)
I think we should be able to at least agree on that.

Prentice seems to have taken a bit different approach back in 1923, but given the general similarities to Kapanadze's setup
it may possibly work on the same mysterious principle (if they really work).
Sure the Earth makes a big difference but what about the wingdings and resonance 1/4 wave or less what do we know
about the wingdings ?
( the program keeps altering my spelling sorry about that)

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 03, 2018, 03:26:38 AM
Sure the Earth makes a big difference but what about the wingdings and resonance 1/4 wave or less what do we know
about the wingdings ?
( the program keeps altering my spelling sorry about that)
AG

I personally don't know what exactly Kapanadze was doing with his special coil.
His coil assembly used in his 2004 demo was similar to the one used in his green box demo,
or it was the same one, but I don't know what is known about how it was wound, beyond people guessing at it.

Jean-Louis Naudin thought he had figured it out with his 'kapagen' experiments, but when he eventually measured the
input and output power with a suitable method it had a COP < 1. It seems whatever info Naudin got about that
setup was either wrong in one or more ways, or he was still missing something else very important from the setup.
Kapandze's 2004 setup used less than 100 Watts at the input. Naudin's Kapagen used a lot higher input power
and had COP < 1.

Something related to consider.
A quarter wave resonant antenna or quarter wave resonant tesla coil requires a ground to
to work to its max efficiency, but a half wave resonant antenna does not require a ground or ground radials.
A quarter wave antenna has much less losses if you use many radials laid on or near the ground for the ground return
because the actual ground is typically quite *lossy* to radio frequencies. If the ground is lossy (has a significant resistance 
at radio frequencies) then why did Prentice and Kapanadze get COP > 1 results when connecting to an earth ground point?
Again, for me it points to very possibly something else going on than what we typically see with radio antennas,
and what we might expect with conventional analysis. The ground is supposed to be lossy at radio frequencies, and at
lower frequencies and to DC as well. 

If half wave antennas do not require an earth ground or ground radials to work to max efficiency,
then if Kapanadze wound a half wave resonant coil would he no longer need a ground connection?
I don't know, and I don't expect anyone to actually have an answer to that except maybe Kapanadze himself. :D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: mkjekyll on July 03, 2018, 05:10:35 AM
Wireless Power Transmission one wire and Negative Resistance   http://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/11/3/532/pdf
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 03, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
We need to keep in mind the tragic situation that people in Georgia were suffering with power grid problems and inflated prices that few could afford on their meagre salaries. See attached  (http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTENERGY2/Resources/4114199-1243609322420/EW04_Georgia.pdf)It is estimated that around 40% of the people were bypassing their electricity meters. It is with this background that its quite possible that Kapanadze found a way of 'tapping' a differential low voltage between the grid service head serving his house and the earth ground rod / buried radiator in the garden. This voltage could then have been transformed up by his box devices to run, albeit rather poorly, the lamp loads in the demos. In other words, could Kapanadze have been at the forefront of ingenuity in finding a cost effective and ingenious solution to the dire electricity problems being experienced by residents in Georgia.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 03, 2018, 01:32:20 PM
Well perhaps that's a negative view, it's better to be optimistic.
If you look on youtube Don L Smith has 8 or 9 video's, he tells you how the thing works.
I does not help too much when some people ignore techniques, miss them out but expect
it all to work, but then don't go over it all to find what they did wrong of forgot to do, and
then move on to something else.

On the grim side, ever watch Midsommer murders or Morse, the pathologist works out the time of death
by the 'ambient' any idea what that means ? an electronic fridge works on the same idea!
No difference in ambient no energy to use. Create your own difference was Smiths trick
if you can call it that.
 
It won't be one technique he is using  8) I bet every move he made was exploited !

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 03, 2018, 05:33:26 PM
We need to keep in mind the tragic situation that people in Georgia were suffering with power grid problems and inflated prices that few could afford on their meagre salaries. See attached  (http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EXTENERGY2/Resources/4114199-1243609322420/EW04_Georgia.pdf)It is estimated that around 40% of the people were bypassing their electricity meters. It is with this background that its quite possible that Kapanadze found a way of 'tapping' a differential low voltage between the grid service head serving his house and the earth ground rod / buried radiator in the garden. This voltage could then have been transformed up by his box devices to run, albeit rather poorly, the lamp loads in the demos. In other words, could Kapanadze have been at the forefront of ingenuity in finding a cost effective and ingenious solution to the dire electricity problems being experienced by residents in Georgia.

Hi Hoppy. There was the demo in Turkey and the demo on the island as well.
If Kapanadze is a fake, he is a very good one. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 03, 2018, 10:21:23 PM
This lot should keep you busy !

Don L Smith
Video 1 1994:
https://youtu.be/U9sy8gPxj3k
Video 2 1995:
https://youtu.be/6Vnxdc1EGFY
Video 3 1996:
https://youtu.be/Ak8Vyqjoz1M
Video 4 1998: https://youtu.be/AmVe92YauZA
Video 5 2001:
https://youtu.be/Xgwg82ZVaDA
Audio 1 2003:
https://tinyurl.com/y7sdmse3
Video 6 2005:
https://youtu.be/_nG_Y7pTljQ
Video 7 2005:
https://youtu.be/cAOG8GzjaLE
Video 8:
https://youtu.be/xBF8VPYGl-g
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 03, 2018, 10:48:04 PM
Hi Hoppy. There was the demo in Turkey and the demo on the island as well.
If Kapanadze is a fake, he is a very good one. :)
Not necessarily. There are other possibilities.

As a student of stage magic, I can tell you that the most amazing illusions are generally quite simple when seen from "backstage". Once you know how a trick is done, the "magic" seems simple and obvious.  Nowadays even the most complex illusions can be bought, lock stock and barrel, from magic shops and individual magicians. So the magician presenting the trick at your local coming-out party does not need to be particularly skillful or knowledgeable himself.

And I am quite sure there are many out-of-work actors running around, in any part of the world you may choose. So a bunch of people standing around on an island half a world away going "ooh, ah, look at that" in a YT video or two doesn't really carry much weight at home back here in Aztlan.

What carries the most weight, for me, is the fact that Kapa has not been either suppressed by the minions of Big Oil, nor has he been co-opted by the Russian military-intelligence complex.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 04, 2018, 12:32:34 AM
Hi TK. I think most anyone who has been at this for any amount of time realizes that
any FE claim is most probably either a mistaken claim or a fraudulent claim,
but still when I look at the various demos Kapanadze has done in front of different
people under different conditions over many years now, I have to leave the door open on him
and say maybe it really does work as he claims, despite the high odds against it.
I still say, if he is a fake, he is a very good one. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 04, 2018, 10:34:33 AM
Not necessarily. There are other possibilities.

As a student of stage magic, I can tell you that the most amazing illusions are generally quite simple when seen from "backstage". Once you know how a trick is done, the "magic" seems simple and obvious.  Nowadays even the most complex illusions can be bought, lock stock and barrel, from magic shops and individual magicians. So the magician presenting the trick at your local coming-out party does not need to be particularly skillful or knowledgeable himself.

And I am quite sure there are many out-of-work actors running around, in any part of the world you may choose. So a bunch of people standing around on an island half a world away going "ooh, ah, look at that" in a YT video or two doesn't really carry much weight at home back here in Aztlan.

What carries the most weight, for me, is the fact that Kapa has not been either suppressed by the minions of Big Oil, nor has he been co-opted by the Russian military-intelligence complex.
Hi there, not everything is magic, there is a satanic side, some things are just impossible to achieve just by way of a trick, and American east
coast is said to be and have the most haunted property on the planet, and satanic worship is as popular as ever in those parts.

The thing about some of the deep south American states is the oil rich deposits of crude oil, in fact some people have oil well fields across the road to look at as a front garden.
So zero point energy would be a major threat to that financial income and the developers life. What I don't understand is Don L Smith was a major
player in this field who lived in the heart of 'big' oil country, however he never reported any harassment and appeared to be able to go about his busyness unhindered. Which I can't say for many of the others that have since departed, so what's reality and what messed up to appear it isn't

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: seychelles on July 04, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
TO GET THE KAPADNADZE  CIRCUIT GOING, ONE NEED A VERY GOOD EARTH GROUNDING..PLUS AN UNDERSTANDING
OF STANDING WAVE FUNDAMENTALS.. AND OR MASSIVE CURRENT DISPLACEMENT THEORY.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 04, 2018, 02:04:51 PM
TO GET THE KAPADNADZE  CIRCUIT GOING, ONE NEED A VERY GOOD EARTH GROUNDING..PLUS AN UNDERSTANDING
OF STANDING WAVE FUNDAMENTALS.. AND OR MASSIVE CURRENT DISPLACEMENT THEORY.

Hi seychelles. Can you demonstrate what you mean with some sort of test setup?

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 04, 2018, 03:27:21 PM
TO GET THE KAPADNADZE  CIRCUIT GOING, ONE NEED A VERY GOOD EARTH GROUNDING..PLUS AN UNDERSTANDING
OF STANDING WAVE FUNDAMENTALS.. AND OR MASSIVE CURRENT DISPLACEMENT THEORY.
Unless you have a degree ftom Oxford uni on In electromagnetism displacement of Maxwell's equations that is defined in terms of the rate of change of the electric displacement field.
The idea was conceived by James Clerk Maxwell in his 1861 paper On Physical Lines of Force, typically  in connection with the displacement of electric particles in a dielectric medium.

Maxwell added displacement current to the electric current term in Ampère's Circuital Law. In his 1865 paper A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field Maxwell used this amended version of Ampère's Circuital Law to derive the electromagnetic wave equation.

This derivation is now generally accepted as a historical landmark in physics by virtue of uniting electricity, magnetism and optics into one single unified theory.

The displacement current term is now seen as a crucial addition that completed Maxwell's equations and is necessary to explain many phenomena, most particularly the existence of electromagnetic waves. ect
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 04, 2018, 03:49:53 PM
Pay attention here! Generating a standing wave couldn't be simpler  if one knows whats required one could simply get a tube wind two matched wingdings on the tube and a half or 1/4 wave, and winding on the top of a slider tube for tuning, be aware though simply faffing around with guesswork just wont do here! because you could simply be wasting your time and resources with complacency.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 04, 2018, 06:02:50 PM
Hi Hoppy. There was the demo in Turkey and the demo on the island as well.
If Kapanadze is a fake, he is a very good one. :)
Those demos are often highlighted as some kind of substantive evidence that Kapanadze's devices are genuine. However, we have even less detail about these demos than we have for Kapanadze's home demos. Its not beyond possibility that these were staged to strengthen belief / enhance the illusion that his devices are genuine. Does anyone know the name / location of the island used for the demo, or exactly where the Turkey demo was staged?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 04, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
Those demos are often highlighted as some kind of substantive evidence that Kapanadze's devices are genuine. However, we have even less detail about these demos than we have for Kapanadze's home demos. Its not beyond possibility that these were staged to strengthen belief / enhance the illusion that his devices are genuine. Does anyone know the name / location of the island used for the demo, or exactly where the Turkey demo was staged?
Hoppy TK asked where you live so he can pop round with the device, have you any 'charged' golf cart battery's kicking round spare  ;D ;D ;D
AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 04, 2018, 07:05:01 PM
Hoppy TK asked where you live so he can pop round with the device, have you any 'charged' golf cart battery's kicking round spare  ;D ;D ;D
AG
Yep, got a bunch of those hidden well out of sight, Just tell him to bring along a long 'hot-wire' hook-up and not to forget the magic 9V PP3 battery. I'll arrange the security.  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 04, 2018, 07:38:23 PM
Those demos are often highlighted as some kind of substantive evidence that Kapanadze's devices are genuine. However, we have even less detail about these demos than we have for Kapanadze's home demos. Its not beyond possibility that these were staged to strengthen belief / enhance the illusion that his devices are genuine. Does anyone know the name / location of the island used for the demo, or exactly where the Turkey demo was staged?

I spoke to a guy from Turkey who is interested in such things a couple years ago via private email who said
he attended the demo by Kapanadze in Turkey. I didn't ask him where it took place, but that info has
probably been posted on the net somewhere at some point. It does seem to have been a real event. Sorry. :)

I think we all get that some people here _believe_ strongly that Kapanadze must be a fake,
but until that is established with some actual evidence instead of wild unfounded speculations, 
some people here may well continue to discuss and experiment with these things on the off chance
that there might really be something to it. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 04, 2018, 08:25:37 PM
Void the established proof that Kapanadze is the real deal is proof that it's real technology and that Wesley's experiment was proof of that effect is also real ..


I am sold that this power is from the "inter-Atomic" energy like the Coleman patent..


See Infinite Energy magazine it's all there the last 30 years is of proof , "just read and swallow some humble pie"..


Standard science is corrupted as is old models are still " force major" in education..


If you feel that your brain stamping was imprinted at the university level then " you have a problem..."


Threats to the "standard model"  will be defended with very " deep brain washing at the university level"..


and worse if you step out of line .... Stephan Marinov  was such a man RIP..


Kapanadze had no brain stamping as he is outside of that "system"...Russian science is also corrupt...


To step out of this " intellectual farm as you have been imprinted " takes learning effort...


Criticism is the " gang drive by shooting " of  an postulate that is to be killed because ignorance is comfort.


Enjoy the "the Fourth" as most of the signers where hunted down and killed for their ideas..


Acca..



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 04, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
Hi Acca. I could be wrong of course, but I tend to think that Kapanadze's setups might
actually be legit, otherwise I wouldn't have spent so much time on it already. :)

Kapandze's 2004 setup, which I think was his most open and simple setup that I have seen
on video anyway, is sure a puzzler though.

Wesley, or anyone else, do we know for certain if Kapanadze's coil assemblies in his
2004 demo or green box demo, or other demos, had any sort of ferrite or metal core?
I seem to recall Kapanadze stating in an interview that he only uses air core windings,
otherwise he won't get the effect. Kapanadze could say things like that to try to mislead people however.
Has it ever been established whether his coil assemblies were really only air core coils?

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 05, 2018, 09:53:50 AM

Kapandze's 2004 setup, which I think was his most open and simple setup that I have seen
on video anyway, is sure a puzzler though.

Yes indeed and its strange to me that he ran this device on a cluttered work bench, given that his intention was to presumably persuade the audience that he had a self-runner.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: seychelles on July 05, 2018, 09:57:37 AM
VOID IF HE WAS NOT LEGIT , THEN ALL THOSE ELECTRICIAN ,ENGINEERS WHO WERE THERE VERIFYING
THE DEAL ARE A BUNCH OF ........
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on July 05, 2018, 04:15:59 PM
create HV HF using LV -> HV cap -> pulse to a trafo -> OU

if you charge the a cap bank 35000 times per second with 9000V, that is a significant charge in the caps. The load wants amps which is charge/time

Everybody seems to think it is something magical and they always have to pull in nuclear freaking fusion or Schuman frequencies or solar eclipses.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 05, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
create HV HF using LV -> HV cap -> pulse to a trafo -> OU
if you charge the a cap bank 35000 times per second with 9000V, that is a significant charge in the caps. The load wants amps which is charge/time
Everybody seems to think it is something magical and they always have to pull in nuclear freaking fusion or Schuman frequencies or solar eclipses.

Hi Belfior. If you actually run a basic test for what you claim on your test bench, I am pretty sure
you will find that it is not OU. Howver, if you can back up what you are saying with a test setup demo,
then people might be inclined to take what you say more seriously. :) Do you have a test setup
which demonstrates this?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: myenergetic on July 05, 2018, 05:54:10 PM
Hi AlienGrey 
On your Reply #235 on: July 04, 2018, 03:27:21 PM

Without having a degree from oxford UV in electromagnetism displacement of Maxwell's equations the argument should be properly defined.

1, If your argument is based on the Maxwell displacement current then “Maxwell displacement current” either in vacuum or in dielectrics, neither generate magnetic field nor are sensitive to external magnetic fields. In other words current in dielectrics “The polarization current” does not act with potential forces on other currents and “external magnetic field” does not react with kinetic forces to the action of other currents.

2, Displacement current is a quantity appearing in Maxwell's equations that is defined in terms of the rate of change of electric displacement field. Displacement current has the units of electric current density, and it has an associated magnetic field just as actual currents do. However it is not an electric current of moving charges, but a time-varying electric field.

To conclude the above I quote from
“Harry McLaughlin” https://www.quora.com/profile/Harry-McLaughlin

a. A "changing" electric field CANNOT create a magnetic field
b. A "changing" magnetic field CANNOT create an electric field “end of quote”

3,The so-called "displacement current" term (1/4π) ∂E/∂t is not some current density generating magnetic field, as Maxwell supposed. This term gives information about the conduction currents which have been interrupted in the neighborhood of the reference point.

4, For what it worth, we cannot measure magnetic field produced by displacement currents but we can measure exactly the field of the interrupted conduction currents. Even if the details are not so obvious and require a skill to understand but what the equations imply is that the electric and magnetic fields depend only on the source charges. It is our orientation relative to the source charges and their motions that give rise to the details of the fields we measure.

From Maxwell basic equations the only sensible is the existence of εo and µo
∂E/∂x=-Zo ϵo  ∂E/∂t
∂H/∂x=-μo/Zo ∂H/∂t

And they express that the E field causes the E Filed and The H field causes the H field
WOW what a discovery!!!!

The Equations only express that E and H fields are co-existent, co-substantial, and co-eternal like any two perpendicular sides of a brick neither the length affects the width or the width affects the length.

Hope it helps
jj
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 05, 2018, 10:20:47 PM
Thanks for that, I'm a little rusty with the years.
It's about 20 years since I darkened Oxfords library doors  ;D
AG 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 05, 2018, 10:36:36 PM
create HV HF using LV -> HV cap -> pulse to a trafo -> OU

if you charge the a cap bank 35000 times per second with 9000V, that is a significant charge in the caps. The load wants amps which is charge/time

Everybody seems to think it is something magical and they always have to pull in nuclear freaking fusion or Schumann frequencies or solar eclipses.
Belfior
Your comments are some what erratic which of your ideas do you consider will bear fruit?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 06, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
 This is what Ruslan says about this clip.. Wow…!!!
 
 
“In general, so .... I'm fed up with your stupidities and insults. In this regard, no one else will receive anything. My video will not be any more. Bathe in your shit, disbelief and snot further. And I'll do it ... Instead of arguing with you (With idiots who do not do anything ... Only with the tongue can you do it) No more words!”
 
 
В общем так.... Мне надоели ваши глупости и оскорбления. В связи с этим больше ничего не получит никто. Видео моих тоже больше не будет. Купайтесь в вашем говне , неверии и соплях дальше. А я делом займусь... Вместо того чтобы тут с вами спорить (С идиотами ,которые ничего не делают... Только языком трепать умеете ) Больше ни слова !
 read all his comments there too....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8)
 
 Acca…[/font]
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 06, 2018, 02:43:01 PM
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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 06, 2018, 02:45:56 PM
This is what Ruslan says about this clip.. Wow…!!!
 
 
“In general, so .... I'm fed up with your stupidities and insults. In this regard, no one else will receive anything. My video will not be any more. Bathe in your shit, disbelief and snot further. And I'll do it ... Instead of arguing with you (With idiots who do not do anything ... Only with the tongue can you do it) No more words!”
 
 
В общем так.... Мне надоели ваши глупости и оскорбления. В связи с этим больше ничего не получит никто. Видео моих тоже больше не будет. Купайтесь в вашем говне , неверии и соплях дальше. А я делом займусь... Вместо того чтобы тут с вами спорить (С идиотами ,которые ничего не делают... Только языком трепать умеете ) Больше ни слова !
 read all his comments there too....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8)
 
 Acca…[/font]
Acca.... you carn't argue with that, it's been going on for years, there is a Don Smith (not sure what to call it book pamphlet of information.
It to is on the net any one who is interested should find it and digest it or just shut up and forget it, but in saying that there are the ones who stir good information with gibberish !
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 06, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
Quote
This is what Ruslan says about this clip.. Wow…!!!
 
 “In general, so .... I'm fed up with your stupidities and insults. In this regard, no one else will receive anything. My video will not be any more. Bathe in your shit, disbelief and snot further. And I'll do it ... Instead of arguing with you (With idiots who do not do anything ... Only with the tongue can you do it) No more words!”

Ruslan is not the first inventor to get fed up with the ignorant masses vindictive ranting and he won't be the last.

The fact remains that there are inherently stupid people who will never succeed at anything and then there are brilliant, intelligent people who do things other people will never understand. The mistake most make is assuming anything they cannot personally understand cannot work... do you see the problem?. Obviously stupid people cannot understand anything however this is not the case for intelligent people like Ruslan and Kapanadze. The proof of there intelligence is the fact they have succeeded in making working devices and no amount of ranting and whining by the ignorant can change that fact.

You should be thankful Ruslan and Kapanadze have given you what they have to date.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 06, 2018, 03:05:56 PM

This is Ruslan posts from the clip below seven months ago ... You may get some benefit from the theory as he is now pissed off now more than ever at the stupid people.. Who want a free device with no learning on their own..
 "First of all, I do not owe you anything, it's time! Secondly ... if people do not grow their hands from there, it's their problem. I told you how it's done and showed it !!! And about the ships and so on ... I'm not even worried! For me, all will be done by lawyers. I'll return my generator and run it like two fingers .....! Now one more thing ... You just wrote here that you did not collect? So ? So you're waiting for a cookie? You see ... Until you start to think and do something, nobody will give you anything here. There are no such people! I say, get busy, do not sit here and do not listen to gossip. It will not be easy, but I want to assure you that the systems work for the entire 10,000%
 
Во-первых я тебе ничего не должен , это раз ! Во вторых ...если у людей руки не от туда растут ,это проблема их. Я рассказал как это делается и показал !!! А насчёт судов и так далее ... Я даже не парюсь ! За меня всё сделают юристы . Я верну свой генератор и запущу его как два пальца .....! Теперь ещё один момент... Ты сейчас тут написал что не собирал ?! Так ? Значит ты ждёшь готовенькое ? Понимаешь ... Пока ты сам не начнёшь соображать и что-то делать,никто тебе ничего тут не даст. Нет таких людей ! Говорю же , займись делом , а не сиди тут и сплетни не слушай. Будет не легко ,но хочу тебя заверить что системы работают на все 10 000 %
 
I've painted all the tips already many times. Do not think that a miracle will happen and you will do everything so easily. Nobody just does not give anything from the bald. you need to think for yourself. I have been working since 2013, while undermining my health and a lot of money sometimes in the pipe. Risking many .... You do not understand this! At the same time, I tell and suggest thoughts. But for some reason, no one listens, but all the time yelling: "Give me a scheme, give me a Scheme ..." And the funny thing is that people who have nothing to do with electronics and radio amateurs are getting into this business .... Agronomists are different, doctors .. .. Buying oscilloscopes and details without knowing even the use of it ...!
 
Я расписал все подсказки уже много раз. Не думайте что произойдёт чудо и Вы так легко всё сделаете. Никто просто так от балды ничего не даст. думать головой нужно самим. Я работаю уже с 2013 года , при этом подрываю здоровье своё и кучу денег иногда в трубу . Рискую многим .... Вам этого не понять ! При этом я рассказываю и навожу на мысли. Но почему то никто не прислушивается , а всё время орёт : " Дай схему, дай Схему ..." А самое смешное что в это дело лезут люди ,не имеющие никакого отношения к электронике и радиолюбительству .... Агрономы разные, врачи .... Покупающие осциллографы и детали не зная даже применения им... !
 
And where did you get that this bifel resonates? Remember once and for all !!! A high-frequency transformer can not be multi-layered. For the first layer transmitting, and the second accepting layer. Or vice versa ! This time ...! 2. Try to rewind the double Tesla and run ... :) will it work? NO !!! The effect of a standing wave can only be in a long conductor, or wound coil wound to a winding. I already told you about how Tesla compared water to electricity. On the watery surface you can not create another .... It's the same here! So the bif shakes on top, and the bottom of Tesla :) Next, think!
 
А с чего вы взяли что это бифеляр резонирует ?  Запомните раз и навсегда !!!  Высокочастотный трансформатор не может быть многослойным . Ибо первый слой передающий, а второй принимающий. Или наоборот !  Это раз... !  2 . Попробуйте ко намотать двойную Теслу и запустить ...:) будет работать ? НЕТ !!!   Эффект стоячей волны может быть только в длинном проводнике , или смотанном в катушку виток к витку . Я уже рассказывал про то как Тесла  сравнивал воду с электричеством. На водяной глади нельзя создать ещё одну.... Тут тоже самое !   Значит биф мотается поверх , а снизу Тесла :)  Дальше соображайте !
 
What the fuck is the fish? Are you all staring at the oscilloscope? What for ? Beat all the indications of the devices. Use the oscilloscope only to check the frequency and pulses ... Ie. their presence in the circuit. the rest should not be measured. 2. Where is the cold end of Biff? What the hell? The bif is rewound in order for one layer to work as a transformation, and the other as a filter! The transformer in the air can not be multi-layered ... Otherwise it just will not work as it should. I already said this more than once ... But why then you can not connect my explanations for each element separately? Where are you all in a hurry? Once again I say that in this system everything looks like an ordinary generator. But the force of the current pushing (magnetic field) in the coil to guide the EMF makes TESLA current and standing wave. Suppose there are two Tesla .. Reception-transmission ... In the system, you can get by with this one coil. But then you need to do the Kapanadze system! That is, put the standing wave into resonance. And it's stupid to choose capacitors for a surge arrestor. Not very effective and convenient. will all go for a walk and output voltage too. Therefore it is better to use Tesla to guide the high voltage voltage + the frequency of the Tesla receiver that is under your coil. Simply if you try to repeat the Shark ... Then there he hid this Tesla cunningly and when I was looking for how to create this wave in the first layer of Biff, I was tortured to horror. The system of course worked, but hemorrhoids and not stable. In fact, at the outlet of the Akulina installation 100 Hz and 209 volts was My last development on the ignition coil also worked on the same principle. The coil gave a pulse with a repetition frequency of 50 Hz. Because there the output is clean 50 Hz and 230 volts. Since it is by controlling Tesla that you get the current swing by inducing the EMF, in other words, twist the magnetic field in the coil or vibrate there with a frequency of 50 Hz .... Remember the words of Kapanadze? When you understand that this is so simple, you will laugh ... Draw conclusions
 
Какие нахрен рыбки ? Вы всё в осциллограф пялитесь ? Зачем ? Забейте на все эти показания приборов.Используй осциллограф только для проверки частоты и импульсов...Т.е. их наличие в схеме. остальное замерять не надо . 2. Где по вашему холодный конец Бифа ? Что за фигня ? Биф мотается для того чтобы один слой работал как трансформация, а другой как фильтр ! Трансформатор на воздухе не может быть многослойным... Иначе он просто не будет работать как полагается. Я это уже сказал не раз...Но почему то вы не можете связать мои объяснения по каждому элементу отдельно ?! Куда вы все спешите то ? Ещё раз говорю что в этой системе всё похоже на обычный генератор . Но усилие толкания тока(магнитного поля) в катушке для наведения ЭДС делает ТЕСЛА ток и стоячая волна. Допустим стоят две Теслы .. Приём-передача ... В системе можно обойтись и одной этой катушкой. Но тогда надо делать по системе Капанадзе ! То есть загнать в резонанс стоячей волны . А это тупо подбирать конденсаторы для разрядника. Не очень эффективно и удобно. будет всё гулять и выходное напряжение тоже. Потому лучше использовать Теслу для наведения высоковольтного напряжения + частота приёмной Теслы что находиться под вашей катушкой. Просто если вы Акулу пытаетесь повторить...То там он хитро спрятал эту Теслу и я когда искал как создать эту волну в первом слое Бифа , замучился до жути. Система конечно работала ,но геморройно и не стабильно . На самом деле на выходе у Акулиной установки 100 Гц и 209 вольт было Моя последняя разработка на катушке зажигания тоже работала по тому же принципу. Катушка давала импульс с частотой следования 50 Гц . Потому там на выходе чистые 50 Гц и 230 вольт . Так как именно управляя Теслой вы получаете раскачку тока наводя ЭДС , другими словами крутите магнитное поле в катушке или вибрация туда сюда с частотой 50 Гц .... Помните слова Капанадзе ? Когда вы поймёте что это так просто , вы будите смеяться ... Делайте выводы
 
I feel what you understand! But! it is the lower winding that is the resonator of the standing wave !!! But this is not a coming winding, but Tesla. All that is served on it ... Type Dali and the rest ... It's possible! For example, 25 watts of Shark in Germany. Exactly the same miracle I did for the states and the Lord on the channel has this device. It is in America and there it was launched by the Americans themselves. But I got there 40 watts and even a little more. But there is a minus .... Tesla there when transported raped by the company for transportation (throwing parcels) In general, it does not matter .... Kapanadze said about the fact that this is all available to everyone and patents weigh in nete in free download. There is also a rotoverr (Dynamo-car) Also by the way one of this opera ....
 
Чую что начинаете понимать ! Но ! именно нижняя обмотка и есть резонатор стоячей волны !!! Но это не приходящая обмотка , а Тесла . Всё что на неё подают ...Типа Дали и остальные... Это возможно ! Например 25 ватт Акула в Германии . Точно такое же чудо делал и я для штатов и у Лорда на канале есть этот девайс. Он в Америке и там его запускали сами американцы. Но у меня там получилось снять 40 ватт и даже чуть больше. Но есть минус .... Тесла там при перевозке изнасилована компанией по перевозке (швырянию посылок) В общем не важно .... Капанадзе говорил про то что это всё доступно каждому и патенты весят в нете в свободном скачивании. Там же есть и ротовертр (Динамо-машина) Тоже кстати одна из этой оперы....
 
So guys! I'll tell you all easier. If you want something to collect, do not pursue the power. So the pumping is simple without resonance. Tupa is a magnetic alternating field! Next ... Position the coils so that one coil with its own field does not stack with the other. That is, the shift must be done. Otherwise OLED will interfere! Now we remember Tesla and when we bring to her a sheet connected through a light bulb to the ground ... What do we observe? The answer is correct! Light bulb shine :) This current you need! Now, by inducing this all on your reel, the end of which is grounded ... You make the magnetic field longitudinal (pushing) and transverse, creating a flow of motion! I told you that the generator of BTG works like a normal generator. Hence Tesla pushes the current, or in other words, pushes or carries the magnetic field away from the pump by a longitudinal field. There is no OEDF! Nothing hinders and there is no resistance either! How are we in the classics? Currents on the sides of the coil?! Here! Boca then do not match :)
 And now make a controlled Tesla! That is, interrupt the pushing of the current at a frequency below the pump. This is the current flow! Well guess what, finally, damn ....
 How much can you say that?
 
Так ребята !   Я скажу Вам всем проще. Если вы хотите что либо собрать ,не гонитесь за мощностями. А значит накачка годиться простая без резонанса. Тупа магнитное переменное поле ! Далее ...Расположите катушки так чтобы одна катушка своими полем не складывалась с другой. То есть сдвинуто надо сделать. Иначе ОЭДС будет мешать !  Теперь вспоминаем Теслу и когда подносим к ней лист подключенный через лампочку на землю... Что мы наблюдаем ? Ответ правильный !  Лампочка светиться :)  Этот ток вам и нужен !  Теперь наводя этим всем на вашу катушку ,конец которой заземлён ... Вы делаете магнитное поле продольное(толкающее ) и поперечное ,создающее поток движения !  Я же говорил что генератор БТГ работает как обычный генератор . Значит Тесла толкает ток или другими словами продольным полем сталкивает или переносит магнитное поле отрывая его от накачки. ОЭДС нет !  Ничего не мешает и сопротивления тоже нет !  Как у нас по классике ? Токи по бокам катушки ?!  Воот ! Бока то не совпадают :)
А теперь сделайте управляемую Теслу ! То есть прерывайте толкание тока с частотой ниже накачки. Это и есть движение тока !!!  Ну догадайтесь же уже наконец блин....
Сколько можно говорить то ?
 
I can not say anything about aluminum. Did not try! You need to tune in and Tesla resonate ... To get a current. Grenades do not need to be shaken. Still do not know why and what they do. You blink one layer long, the other a little shorter. All with one wire. A long coil pumps a magnetic field, a short one removes it. if there is not enough voltage, do the docks from the converter. But the output must be filtered by HF. Otherwise, your resonance will swim away
 
 It is better to find ferrites 2000NM. And build as SR did. It is much better to start and understand the processes. I recall that the electromagnetic standing wave is working !!! Because of the addition of waves, we get an increase in the magnetic field, and then its effect! Antenna can also enhance? My theme - the broadcast. I collected not a few transmitters and antennas. Unfortunately homemade designs of this all can not be used in modern broadcasting, but I know about it all. You can put a good antenna system and not burn electricity to kilowatts in the feeder. There's something like that in the generators ...!
 
Не могу сказать про алюминий ничего. Не пробовал !  Нужно настроить в резонанс Теслу и приём ...Чтобы появился ток . Гранаты мотать не надо. Всё равно не знаете зачем и что они делают. Тупа мотаешь один слой длинный ,другой чуть короче. Всё одним проводом. Длинная катушка накачивает магнитное поле , короткая снимает. если не хватает напряжения , докинь с преобразователя. Но выход должен быть отфильтрован по ВЧ. Иначе твой резонанс уплывёт
 
Лучше найди ферриты 2000НМ . И сооруди как СР делал. Намного лучше будет для начала и понимания процессов. Напоминаю что работает электромагнитная стоячая волна !!!  Из-за сложения волн мы получаем увеличение магнитного поля , а там и его действие !   Антенна же тоже может усиливать ?  Моя тема - передачи в эфир. Я собирал не мало передатчиков и антенн. К сожалению самодельные конструкции этого всего нельзя использовать в современном радиовещании,но знаю я про это всё. Можно поставить хорошую антенную систему и не жечь электричество  на киловатты в фидер. Тут в генераторах что то подобное ...!"
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUuuCLbYs4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BUuuCLbYs4)
 
The Ruslan comments are from this clip posts..
 
Acca ..
 
Sorry for the delay in posting this late (months ago)..
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 06, 2018, 03:18:58 PM
Sorry about the photo there seems to be a problem with my "modify" command ...will try to shrink the photo again soon..

Apart from what Ruslan has done, it is not who or what is first but what is the principle of the "Kapanadze device"

It's strange that Ruslan wants to help but at the same time he hates what he has done as it now his demon that is haunting him..

Acca..


I just need the underpinning of the theory.. as the rest will be simple ..

Imagine a trying to build a car and not knowing that it is capable of moving forward just by looking at it with out having it seen drive..  That is what we have here in this Kapanadze, Ruslan, and Akula etc.. replications ...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 06, 2018, 04:01:15 PM
 Ruslan Kulabuhov free energy flashlight videos and files..

https://yadi.sk/d/Xpw0TXrF3NNsTt


1 Фонарик
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4qHPQocEQc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4qHPQocEQc)
 
 2 Фонарик , часть вторая !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbIzIjyEMw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNbIzIjyEMw)
 
 3 Фонарик без батареек
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0R2T_JRGrI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0R2T_JRGrI)
 
 4 Заключение !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekmi_Xqb8l8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekmi_Xqb8l8)
   
   
UPDATE 19 Января 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le-AI8jp-E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le-AI8jp-E)
 
here are the perpetual Ruslan flashlight diagrams files..
 
 Acca…[/font]
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 06, 2018, 04:07:39 PM
This is Ruslan posts from the clip below seven months ago ...
...

Thank you Acca. That is really interesting!


P.S.

Wesley, this part is interesting:
Чую что начинаете понимать ! Но ! именно нижняя обмотка и есть резонатор стоячей волны !!! Но это не приходящая обмотка , а Тесла . Всё что на неё подают ...Типа Дали и остальные... Это возможно ! Например 25 ватт Акула в Германии . Точно такое же чудо делал и я для штатов и у Лорда на канале есть этот девайс. Он в Америке и там его запускали сами американцы. Но у меня там получилось снять 40 ватт и даже чуть больше. Но есть минус .... Тесла там при перевозке изнасилована компанией по перевозке (швырянию посылок) В общем не важно .... Капанадзе говорил про то что это всё доступно каждому и патенты весят в нете в свободном скачивании. Там же есть и ротовертр (Динамо-машина) Тоже кстати одна из этой оперы....

Ruslan mentions that Akula could only get an output of around 25 Watts when he tried his setup in Germany,
and we have seen a youtube video posted previously for that.
Then Ruslan seems to be saying that he made a device for some people in the USA, and it also had a similar problem
in that it could only produce about 40 Watts? Ruslan seems to be saying that this device is in America?
He also mentions someone's name 'Lord' something? DragonsLord76? What did Ruslan say?
Wesley, can you improve on this translation? Sounds interesting...

Regarding this video:
TopRuslan 32 - Аппарат с использованием энергии окружающей среды 16вт
(TopRuslan 32 - The device using the energy of the environment 16W)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8

Ruslan commented:
Резонатор в этой системе отсутствует.
искра в качестве гашения  лишних  зарядов
Однополярный
There is no resonator in this system.
spark as a suppression(?) of extra charges
Unipolar

Looks like Ruslan has possibly figured out how to make it work in a similar way to Kapanadze. 
Instead of a tesla coil it has a sparkgap which seems to be firing at a fairly low frequency and pulsing,
as would happen when repeatedly charging a cap to a high voltage and discharging through a sparkgap.

In another comment Ruslan mentioned he would not sell his devices any more because he
had to deal with police and court because someone in Lithuania apparently made legal trouble for him.

Ruslan still appears to be actively experimenting with these setups.
I was on the fence with whether Ruslan's demos might be legit or not, but I am starting to think
they just might possibly be legit as well. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 07, 2018, 02:50:34 AM
Quote
He also mentions someone's name 'Lord' something?
Let me guess?... Lord Kelvin. Aka Lord Kelvin's HV water drop electro-dynamic generator which leads full circle back to one Viktor Schauberger, the water wizard from Austria. Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia almost next door to Austria, maybe it was something in the water?.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 07, 2018, 03:14:23 AM
Let me guess?... Lord Kelvin. Aka Lord Kelvin's HV water drop electro-dynamic generator which leads full circle back to one Viktor Schauberger, the water wizard from Austria. Nikola Tesla was born in Croatia almost next door to Austria, maybe it was something in the water?.
Oh struth a bottle full of water (a capacitor), Schauberger it means mountain man ! Have you got any thing useful for us like how to wind the bobbin ? mein Freund. ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 07, 2018, 05:14:26 AM
I did a measurement of the sparkgap firing rate for Ruslan's mini 16W demo setup with the clear top.
It comes out to between 35 Hz to 37 Hz. The small variation may be due at least in part to my measurement error.
The sparkgap firing frequency on this setup is very regular, so it appears to be fired using electronically controlled pulses.
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 07, 2018, 09:43:24 AM
I did a measurement of the sparkgap firing rate for Ruslan's mini 16W demo setup with the clear top.
It comes out to between 35 Hz to 37 Hz. The small variation may be due at least in part to my measurement error.
The sparkgap firing frequency on this setup is very regular, so it appears to be fired using electronically controlled pulses.
Ive seen some of Ruslans compact grenate devices before they just wind an inner tube resonant with the rest of
the wingdings and simply pulse it at that frequency (electronically). There is a formula for finding the frequency versus wave length chosen and also res freq of wire length it was in a commercially available book. Smith Kelly.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on July 07, 2018, 01:57:18 PM
I did a measurement of the sparkgap firing rate for Ruslan's mini 16W demo setup with the clear top.
It comes out to between 35 Hz to 37 Hz. The small variation may be due at least in part to my measurement error.
The sparkgap firing frequency on this setup is very regular, so it appears to be fired using electronically controlled pulses.

Hmm could that be half of 60Hz and he is using something to double that freq? Gap firing to a coil at around 30Hz, caps on both ends of the coil and you end up with 60Hz?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Thaelin on July 07, 2018, 05:28:06 PM
Better known as Smith Charts. Learn em, use em, they may be difficult at first but when you grasp them, makes calculating values easy. Then tune it.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 07, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
Hmm could that be half of 60Hz and he is using something to double that freq? Gap firing to a coil at around 30Hz, caps on both ends of the coil and you end up with 60Hz?

Hi Belfior. Not sure what the output waveform might look like because he didn't show
any waveforms, and he may not show any more details than that. Ruslan's setup still seems more complicated
than Kapanadze's early demonstrations, so who knows if these Akula/Ruslan type setups might really work at
all the same as Kapanadze's setups. I think we all do have most of the pieces of what makes up these
Akula and Ruslan setups, as Akula and Ruslan did reveal a fair bit. I think they both may have held back on
one or more important details still however, so more experimentation still needed. I could be wrong, but I think
there may possibly be some clues there in all those comments and videos that were made previously. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Thaelin on July 07, 2018, 05:37:01 PM
Waited too long to modify so will add separate. Here is a quote from the search:

 
Smith chartThe Smith chart, invented by Phillip H. Smith (1905–1987), is a graphical aid or nomogram designed for electrical and electronics engineers specializing in radio frequency (RF) engineering to assist in solving problems with transmission lines and matching circuits.

The last five words, priceless.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: SolarLab on July 08, 2018, 04:50:34 PM
F.Y.I.

Expanding a bit on Ruslan's comment [7 or so months ago]:

Ruslan K: "... To get a current. Grenades do not need to be shaken. Still do not know why and
what they do.
You blink one layer long, the other a little shorter. ..."

This "how does the grenade coil work?" is a recurring theme therefore a detailed analysis has
been undertaken using Comsol MultiPhysics as well as other EM Analysis tools.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 08, 2018, 07:41:19 PM
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c)

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 08, 2018, 09:56:39 PM
Thanks Wesley. This is strongly suggesting that Kapanadze as I previously suggested, is using the non metered grid neutral to his DIY earth ground 'common-mode' voltage, which could be quite high on a long single phase and heavily loaded grid supply line. Resonating transformer primary winding with pos to pos electrolytic cap pair low frequency AC working to produce HV in secondary. This explains the apparent simplicity of his box devices and erratic operation dependant on ground conductivity and grid loading.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 08, 2018, 10:19:46 PM
Thanks Wesley. This is strongly suggesting that Kapanadze as I previously suggested, is using the non metered grid neutral to his DIY earth ground 'common-mode' voltage, which could be quite high on a long single phase and heavily loaded grid supply line. Resonating transformer primary winding with pos to pos electrolytic cap pair low frequency AC working to produce HV in secondary. This explains the apparent simplicity of his box devices and erratic operation dependant on ground conductivity.
No my friend this only says that 
physics: no static field can do the work.
At 1m from the ground the potential, is 100V, at 10 m it is 1000V
 All you need is to amplify it.
Silly Example:
There is pretty young girl at the corner , she does not do anything . she is not performing any  work but.... she is attracting  other males and possibly some females.
That is your difference of potential. And the  closer you are the more attracted you become.
It is nature that creates difference of potential.
Cold water pipe in 3D from the street has much bigger surface contact with Telluric current for that particular ground.
Now take  another ground   at  the distance amplify it by means of high voltage transformer. In the right way at the right frequency and Yes... your current will be small but your spark will spark... creating Negative resistance of that small quiet plasma.
Do you remember spark of SR193?  or green box?
to have it right  way German guy used GDT. you did not pay attention to that did you? (Gas Discharge tube)
The German  part of my video explains it all.
Look at  German wording in my video showing in digits 800+% of  gain. ( more explanation is needed)
I was explaining to you guys how electrostatic pump works.
The higher  the voltage the bigger is ionization.
At one point  he says that it works like antenna system...

You guys fight with me  when
I was talking  a bout it asking me  what antenna system has to do  with it It does have: elevation , impedance match ionization at its capacitive  character ( smith chart)
and negative impedance if you connect the  spark gap.
Loop antenna  can be capacitively having over 500V at regular  few W Tx
And that what I did not explain in the video- is how to take advantage  of higher elevation!!!
Sorry I can go only that far.
You can agree or disagree but the magician knows his tricks.
However it does not mean that trick is not real....


.... but if you have leak  in service electrical  installation than  it is even easier... You are not dependent  as much on presence of Telluric current. :)
Gush.... think about small valve on the big  water pipe  connected to river  water flow..
How much energy do you need to open it?
And how much energy you  attracted and than let it go forward?

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 08, 2018, 10:27:07 PM
Hi Hoppy. Kapanadze was not connected to the grid however.
You can not draw any significant power from the grid with just
a single earth ground connection, unless maybe you are directly
under high tension power lines.

Hi Wesley. Thanks for the video.

The Romancorp demo is questionable to me because it seems to be connected directly
to the grid, which opens the door for ground loops and similar. I am not sure what he was using as the
AC source (generator?) connected to one of the transformer winding pairs there. A separate
generator (isolated from ground?) or connected to the mains... Those kind of tests can be
misleading without taking great care to observe and identify what is completely isolated from ground
and what isn't. I have been fooled myself in some cases until I switched to battery power on generators
and measuring equipment to make sure I was fully isolated from ground.

Note:
When two electrolytic capacitors are connected '+' to '+', or '-' to '-', this is a way to
make a non-polarized capacitor from two polarized electrolytic capacitors. Required if
you want to use polarized electrolytic capacitors in an AC circuit. I would be concerned about
possibly causing an electrolytic cap to explode when doing this, but apparently this is an acceptable
way to make a non-polarized cap out of two individual polarized electrolytics.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 08, 2018, 10:35:21 PM
Please read my  answer to Hoppy up there
You can always have one physical and another  virtual ground  and.... elevation potential .
Watch my video  again please my friends
 I actually posted how to build traditional first version of TK with spark gap. I just did not point at some details .
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 08, 2018, 10:39:20 PM
Please read my  answer to Hoppy up there
You can always have one physical and another  virtual ground  and.... elevation potential .
Watch my video  again please my friends
 I actually posted how to build traditional first version of TK with spark gap. I just did not point at some details .
Wesley

Hi Wesley. See my updated comments above. An experimenter has to be very careful about ground
loops in those kind of setups. Not saying a ground loop or similar was definitely the case, but just
pointing out the potential problem there without taking extra care.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 08, 2018, 10:46:17 PM
I will .. after I stop. I'm traveling
 You do not  watch my video  carefully look at
Capacitor voltage Transformer
Capacitive Voltage Transformer Reactor
it is on my video in the  description of the schematic  next to
Tesla coil.
and than google it please.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 08, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
I will .. after I stop. I'm traveling
 You do not  watch my video  carefully look at
Capacitor voltage Transformer
Capacitive Voltage Transformer Reactor
it is on my video in the  description of the schematic  next to
Tesla coil.
and than google it please.

Wesley

Hi Wesley. I think you may be misunderstanding me.
I was just pointing out that connecting '+' to '+' on two
polarized electrolytic capacitors is done to make a non-polarized
capacitor out of two polarized electrolytic capacitors. I was not implying anything
other than that. :)
Enjoy your travels!

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on July 08, 2018, 11:03:56 PM
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c)

Wesley

Hah! Even TheOldScientist agrees with me. He is even saying "try to understand what I am saying!"

His input is 7V and some amps for covering copper losses. He is charging a cap with 165V. With that input. So how many Farads you need to run selflooped with 165V?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 08, 2018, 11:05:35 PM
Hi Hoppy. Kapanadze was not connected to the grid however.
You can not draw any significant power from the grid with just
a single earth ground connection, unless maybe you are directly
under high tension power lines.

Agreed but we cannot be sure that there was not a concealled earth connected to grid neutral.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 08, 2018, 11:14:49 PM
Hah! Even TheOldScientist agrees with me. He is even saying "try to understand what I am saying!"

His input is 7V and some amps for covering copper losses. He is charging a cap with 165V. With that input. So how many Farads you need to run selflooped with 165V?

Hi Belfior. It is not about comparing input voltage to output voltage however.
It is about comparing average input power to average output power.
It takes power to charge capacitors. People sometimes forget this in their enthusiasm.
Having a sparkgap and/or earth grounds in the mix could possibly/potentially allow pulling in extra energy from the environment however.

We should not try to draw any conclusions from any test which is not self looped or which does make an accurate
measurement of average input power and average output power.

That should be every free energy experimenters motto to live and breath by. :)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on July 08, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
so if the secondary is looped with a cap so they are in resonance, then the cap will charge immediately, because there is no resistance?

You could charge a 9000V cap instantly with 7V input and maybe 200mA using a tesla coil or a flyback. Then if the freq is high, then the cap charges 200k times per second. That is a lot of charge going in, if the output side (trafo&inverter&mains voltage?) pulls 230V 60Hz

TheOldScientist tried to tell the viewers to try to understand. He basically says "if you can charge a capacitor to 165V with 7V 200mA input, there is a lot of charge there!"
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 08, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
Please read my  answer to Hoppy up there
You can always have one physical and another  virtual ground  and.... elevation potential .
Watch my video  again please my friends
 I actually posted how to build traditional first version of TK with spark gap. I just did not point at some details .
Wesley
So are you referring to the elevated 'washing line' from tree to roadside in Kapanadze's garden green box demo as the virtual ground and elevation potential?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 08, 2018, 11:36:56 PM
So are you referring to the elevated 'washing line' from tree to roadside in Kapanadze's garden green box demo as the virtual ground and elevation potential?
You want me to stop every few minutes on the  highway?
I'm driving now. joke:)
No Im only saying that  ionization depends from  voltage potential.
You can be underground who cares.
however you can make it easier by being higher.
Instead of playing  with just telluric  current.
Old Scientist  said it. about antenna system.
OK guys I will not stop for next few hours
The terrain is bumpy here  (Mountains).
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 12:01:27 AM
A couple of Kapanadze quotes:

Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'Green Box' video demo:
"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."

Kapanadze - at 55:05: in the 'Green Box' video demo:
Between us speaking, grounding it is not required.
Instead of grounding, it is necessary to use a small circuit.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 09, 2018, 12:09:12 AM
Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'Green Box' video demo:

"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."
OK. I'll take that as a tentative yes. Wishing you a safe journey.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 12:34:21 AM
Theorizing is good, but if you can't demonstrate it on the bench it is only ideas.
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 09, 2018, 01:47:28 AM
Theorizing is good, but if you can't demonstrate it on the bench it is only ideas.
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)
the green box do'dar'dit is just a copy of the don smith device !    simple !  and so obvious!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 02:15:44 AM
the green box do'dar'dit is just a copy of the don smith device !    simple !  and so obvious!

Hi AG. There definitely seems to be close similarities.
I have pointed this out before as well. :)
Whether it is coincidence or not, who can say for sure?

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 02:52:38 AM
A side note:
You will often hear people in FE forums saying things like 'science is BS',
or 'science is all a big lie'. They say this at the same time that they use super sophisticated
computers and the internet, and radio and TV, and cell phones with very sophisticated electro-chemical batteries, etc.
Very clearly and obviously science is not 'all BS' and it is not 'all a big lie'.  Most of us use computers
and radio and TV and cell phones and microwave ovens, etc., etc., on a regular basis, so obviously 'science' actually
has a lot of things right, and technology makes very practical use of that understanding.

On the other side of the coin there is an arrogance in people assuming that science (as some sort of body)
'has it all figured out' or that everything that is currently believed and 'understood' by scientists is 'completely accurate'
and a 'complete picture'.

My view is that the state of 'scientific knowledge' as it is today is impressive, given where we were
only a few hundred years ago in our understanding, but I think it is unwise for people to blindly
hold to the notion that current scientific views and beliefs and understanding represent a complete and totally
accurate picture of how things may really be. Much of what is understood seems to be quite correct within a certain
framework or within certain limitations at least, but some things may not be entirely correct from a different
framework or outside of certain limitations.

It is human nature for people to take their current views and beliefs and understanding as absolute fact, and
anything outside of that 'sphere' is assumed to be false. However, realistically speaking, the chances are that
there are still many wonders to discover in the future, and certain things that may be taken as 'fact' and 'laws'
now may be modified to some extent or other in the future as our understanding continues to advance.
Much of what we understand in science should be considered as 'models' of reality. Some of those 'models' of
understanding may need to be modified or added onto once in a while as our understanding progresses.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Leaving the door open to new understandings not previously imagined or considered seems wise,
but still, when it comes to FE, if you can't prove it on the bench then it is not of much practical use,
whether some new concept may be valid to some extent or other or not... :)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 09, 2018, 09:48:57 AM
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)
Yes, indeed! However, the environmental conditions, geology and infrastructure in the vicinity of the bench may be of utmost importance for success.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
Yes, indeed! However, the environmental conditions, geology and infrastructure in the vicinity of the bench may be of utmost importance for success.

Hi Hoppy. Aye, that does seem to be a real possibility to consider with these setups.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 09, 2018, 04:06:12 PM
Hi Hoppy. Aye, that does seem to be a real possibility to consider with these setups.
Drilling down into this, Kapanadze mentioned that he was worried about demonstrating the Aqua 2 device during a thunderstorm. Thunderstorms are apparently quite common during the Summer months in Georgia. In an electrified and muggy atmosphere, a long aeriel wire might well produce a reasonably good charge to storage caps, which in turn could deliver a fairly steady arc across a carefully adjusted spark gap. It has been suggested that the spark gap is just eye candy but maybe the spark is an essential requirement and important clue to the operation of all Kapanadze's devices.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Hi Hoppy. I know your idea is that maybe Kapanadze uses an overhead antenna wire
of some sort, similar to what T. Henry Moray apparently did, but it really seems he doesn't. Even if you only look
at the 'green box' demo, it seems unlikely to me no one would have noticed Kapanadze or one of his helpers
trying to hook an extra wire from somewhere into the green box, when others attending were standing all around
watching closely for any attempts at tricks.  In other demos like the aquarium II demo, it was the same sort
of situation where people could inspect very closely for any external hidden wires. I personally think it is unlikely anyway.

If you have lightning strikes nearby, and you have wires connecting to the ground, it can potentially cause a surge/spike 
to travel up a ground wire, so that may possibly be what Kapanadze was concerned about.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 09, 2018, 06:39:22 PM
Hi Hoppy. I know your idea is that maybe Kapanadze uses an overhead antenna wire
of some sort, similar to what T. Henry Moray apparently did, but it really seems he doesn't. Even if you only look
at the 'green box' demo, it seems unlikely to me no one would have noticed Kapanadze or one of his helpers
trying to hook an extra wire from somewhere into the green box, when others attending were standing all around
watching closely for any attempts at tricks.  In other demos like the aquarium II demo, it was the same sort
of situation where people could inspect very closely for any external hidden wires. I personally think it is unlikely anyway.

If you have lightning strikes nearby, and you have wires connecting to the ground, it can potentially cause a surge/spike 
to travel up a ground wire, so that may possibly be what Kapanadze was concerned about.


Now lets look at at the device single HV coil L1 with low voltage pulser input L2, so how do you get a standing wave out of a Tesla coil ? think about it !
you need 2 coils one out of phase with the other or shove L2 into the middle of the L1 winding, that way you get a phase shift at the lower end and upper end
 you get current and the top you get voltage but L1 is a full wave crossing at L2 and L2 is 1/4 wave there is far more to it than that but talking to my
 self here is falling on deaf ears!

You might find this table usefull, I claim no originality for it and it is published free yet might be copy right but found no such claim.
Don Smith provides instructions for winding and using the type of air-core coils needed for a Tesla Coil.  He says:
1.
 Decide a frequency and bear in mind, the economy of the size of construction selected.  The factors are:
(a) Use radio frequency (above 20 kHz).
(b)  Use  natural  frequency,  i.e.  match  the  coil  wire  length  to  the  frequency  -  coils  have  both  capacitance  and 
inductance.
(c) Make the wire length either one qu
arter, one half of the full wavelength.

For wire lengths in metres: 
If using one quarter wavelength, then divide 75.29 by the frequency in MHz.
If using one half wavelength, then divide 150.57 by the frequency in MHz.
If using the full wavelength, then divide 304.19 by the frequency in MHz.
2.
 Choose the number of turns to be used in the coil when winding it using the wire length just calculated.  The
number  of  turns  will  be  governed  by  the  diameter  of  the  tube  on  which  the  coil  is  to  be  wound.    Remember 
that  the  ratio  of  the  number  of  turns  in  the  "L  -  1"  and  "L  -  2"  coils,  controls  the  overall  output  voltage.    For 
example, if the voltage applied the large outer coil "L - 1" is 2,400 volts and L - 1 has ten turns, then each turn
of  L  -  1  will  have  240  volts  dropped  across  it.   
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 09, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
Hi Hoppy. I know your idea is that maybe Kapanadze uses an overhead antenna wire
of some sort, similar to what T. Henry Moray apparently did, but it really seems he doesn't. Even if you only look
at the 'green box' demo, it seems unlikely to me no one would have noticed Kapanadze or one of his helpers
trying to hook an extra wire from somewhere into the green box, when others attending were standing all around
watching closely for any attempts at tricks.  In other demos like the aquarium II demo, it was the same sort
of situation where people could inspect very closely for any external hidden wires. I personally think it is unlikely anyway.

If you have lightning strikes nearby, and you have wires connecting to the ground, it can potentially cause a surge/spike 
to travel up a ground wire, so that may possibly be what Kapanadze was concerned about.
The important thing is not our differences of opinion but whether our respective theories can be shown to work. As you say this is decided at the bench. I only saw one guy showing any real interest in looking and testing during the green box video and he was restricted in what he could hook his clamp meter to. The rest were just standing around viewing from a distance.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 09, 2018, 09:46:40 PM
Hi Hoppy. Sure. I was just stating my own point of view that it doesn't seem
very likely to me that there was any other connections made besides the ground wires
they were connecting, for which several people were participating and watching.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 10, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
I think the following bears repeating:

In one of Akula's early video demonstrations, Akula showed that his setup
could apparently self run and power one or more bulbs without an earth ground connection
to his device.

And here are a couple of Kapanadze quotes from his 'green box' video demo:

Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'green box' video demo:
"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."

Kapanadze - at 55:05: in the 'green box' video demo:
"Between us speaking, grounding it is not required.
Instead of grounding, it is necessary to use a small circuit."


I think it is something worth keeping in mind anyway. :)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Thaelin on July 10, 2018, 10:53:29 PM
And that small circuit would provide the reverse polarity to the other. Then you a potential. Yes?
Or would a reverse node on a single wire produce the same.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 11, 2018, 12:37:05 AM
And that small circuit would provide the reverse polarity to the other. Then you a potential. Yes?
Or would a reverse node on a single wire produce the same.

Hi Thaelin. As Wesley also suggested previously, a 'virtual ground' of some type might work as well.
This could be a length of wire which is not connected directly to ground and which is tuned for resonance
at a desired frequency. The 'small circuit' might conceivably be an LC tuning circuit when connecting to a length of wire,
or car body, or airplane body, etc (virtual ground).
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 11, 2018, 09:36:26 AM
The 'small circuit' might conceivably be an LC tuning circuit when connecting to a length of wire,
or car body, or airplane body, etc (virtual ground).
We see an old car parked in the roadside fairly close to the aerial wire in the green box video. The camera man pans to the roadside several times as if to direct attention to it.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 11, 2018, 02:29:06 PM
Earlier Void was interested in the green box, you might be interested in this posting by whatsup
Try making heads or tails of the circuit  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 11, 2018, 08:12:35 PM
Guys,

Will there ever be a moment when discussion about the ground connection ends?
Does it realy make a different in understanding its MO?

In my opinion i find it more interesting to talk about the quotes from Ruslan K posted by Solar lab on the 7th of July.

Some of the highligts....

".. You make the magnetic field longitudinal (pushing) and transverse, creating a flow of motion!

 Hence Tesla pushes the current, or in other words, pushes or carries the magnetic field away from the pump by a longitudinal field.

 And now make a controlled Tesla! That is, interrupt the pushing of the current at a frequency below the pump. This is the current flow!


 You need to tune in and Tesla resonate ... To get a current.

Grenades do not need to be shaken.       Still do not know why and what they do.

You blink one layer long, the other a little shorter. All with one wire. A long coil pumps a magnetic field, a short one removes it.

if there is not enough voltage, do the docks from the converter.

But the output must be filtered by HF. Otherwise, your resonance will swim away"


Greetings

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 11, 2018, 08:27:50 PM
Will there ever be a moment when discussion about the ground connection ends?
Does it realy make a different in understanding its MO?
...

Sigh...

 :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 12, 2018, 06:01:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-M55XP3D4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-M55XP3D4A)
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 12, 2018, 10:34:13 PM

Although the Grenade may have some sophisticated HF filtering characteristics with respect to
the overall circuit (which it likely does) ; there may also be other (yet to be discovered) features as well!

Hopefully we shall soon know "the more precise technical aspects" ...

FIN
Yes, let's hope so to reduce the guesswork.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 13, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
Just looking through on the net as you do, found this informative video, watch it before it disappears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 13, 2018, 08:05:39 PM
Sigh...

 :)


And then it became quiet.    :(

Nobody interested in discussing the grenade effects as Ruslan mentioned?

Who can give a reasonable explanation about the long and short coil layer and its pushing and pulling effect?
Does this statement from Ruslan makes sense?...  or is he just speaking bullshit?

Looking at the winding order...  when you take the Ruslan configurated grenade apart in a series string...  we see all coils ( without the L6) wounded in the same order.
So 5 coils all in series connected......  only there fields appear to interact complicated.

I know...  long time ago i believe Dog one,...  explained  about the grenade coil...  as specially when the LOAD comes into the playfield all coils will effect each other.

Just trying to keep this thread alive,....
Hoppy,........ i hope you agree there are no hidden batteries inside the greande?   8)

Greetings


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 13, 2018, 08:17:34 PM

Just trying to keep this thread alive,....
Hoppy,........ i hope you agree there are no hidden batteries inside the greande?   8)

Greetings
No chance but I'm reasonably sure that the 'hot-wire' into the Aqua2 device connects to the grenade.  8)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 13, 2018, 08:26:51 PM
No chance but I'm reasonably sure that the 'hot-wire' into the Aqua2 device connects to the grenade.  8)


Right,....  i honestly hope there will be no one in the near future showing a open.... only wired and no box......setup,   placed in the middle of the dessert..... it would be realy hard to find its energy source...  8)

that would be realy hard proof of OU
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 14, 2018, 02:56:27 AM
I think you should be looking at the katcher circuit a sine wave is no good you need a verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry narrrrrrrrrrrow pulse to
trigger it but voltage at the top is out of phase with the current your driving it with !
So what are you doing about that little problem ?
That's what you need to sort out, don't forget it's tuning !

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: GeoFusion on July 14, 2018, 06:27:33 AM
Hi All :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i889P5nOwhg

Much respect for this gentleman 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: GeoFusion on July 14, 2018, 07:23:23 AM
Apecore:
For what Ruslan is doing with his experiments on grenades and more, it's all real.
Having to thank him for his exposure of what he did and all the variants of setups...
 The experiences what I went thru  and still am, just know now where to look at past months
  are those short And "SHARP'' pulses, they are very necessary
in the operation and of course the necessary amount of input voltage as well to reach ionization.
Kacher can work but oscillations have to be disrupted at each pulse. Complete Sinus output wont do it.

I view the Grenade as a HF resonating capacitor receiver, a coil with very low inductance and so there is more to it.
My last observation, on 24V dc input was beautiful observing output,
yet it needed more ionization, more voltage at input.
As indicated on the Akula and Sergey schematics.
Akula indicated voltages around 30 to 60V DC.
Sergey Indicated voltages around between 0 - 140V DC.
and so there are more guys that have done it, secret is how you operate the Tesla coil and the receiver.

Think ;)...

It is all about the Tesla coil ( HV HF sharp impulse coil) Dally's method is another way but the same.
 Tesla coil in this system IS the heart of the system creating the massive output properly tuned.

Proper Ionization ( the harvest ) + the right capacitance + Resonance

 
Wesley, nice to open this thread for updates :) keep it up.
we need also bit of everything.
 

Cheerz all ~
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 15, 2018, 06:41:58 PM
Hi All :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i889P5nOwhg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i889P5nOwhg)

Much respect for this gentleman
This is the same gay from my last video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-M55XP3D4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-M55XP3D4A)
It is the time to share my own opinion in this  area.
Electrostatic devices are based on different principles.
There is no known to science force that could affect gravitation by use of neodymium magnets.
Magnetic field of the earth , is also not affected by neodymium magnets.
So there's no point in doing something,  that should not work from the being of it. However some guys decides to follow the path of no future results.
There is no known to me metal or material that could create up force.
 So the case discussed  in my video was rather caused by my willingness to participate in crowd of opinion makers sharing with me their own thoughts. 
 I wish Alex the best, however any results of any tests must be verifiable and repeatable. Till then it is just fantasy world.
I have listen to his explanations from previous videos  and  i was disappointed.
that is  why I ask in intro to my video .
-what makes person to become significant.
It could be by winning lottery  just luck not involving any special brain power, but  is it really worth  anything to us the crowd?
I'm skeptical.
However there is some good news, I do not want to point at it as of yet but details of device that was made  by our Kazakhstani  researcher and that repeated by Latvian one  are conformed . It works.
I'm just waiting for schematic to be released  and full description  how to do it.
It is not that I'm trying to hide something but  rather  to do not interfere .
You going to  have it. ( I hope)
Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 15, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
Wesley have a look at this

http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/carr3.htm
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 15, 2018, 10:53:22 PM
Because its all BS, that's why! the anti gravity russian disk its a simple trick using fishing line, so primitive that its even embarrassing. Tomorrow if the weather condition improve I will make a video and post it on YT to debunk this flying disk nonsense. Wesley is Wesley , he does not claim that flying disk is real, judge by yourself, however he does believe in kapanadze and kapanadze is on my list of "free energy devices to debunk" one method is to connect "tuned" tesla coil ground to HF circuit (driven by spark gap <--- a lot of displacement current is there) and see if TC could get a "boost" from HF circuit, I'm disappointment that people those days are soo naive and easy to fool!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 15, 2018, 11:39:29 PM
Wesley, it must be very frustrating for you, to be reporting on all these self-running, overunity, free energy, and antigravity devices which work... but only work for their inventors. But you yourself, with all your knowledge, skills, and your laboratory stuffed full of expensive and sophisticated apparatus ... you yourself can't get a single one of them, built by you yourself, to work in your own laboratory. That must be very frustrating indeed.


I mean, look! You have people putting things together out of junkyard parts and 50 year old Russian television components, magnets and string and bits of metal pots and pans, that run themselves, fly against gravity, light up lights and run drill motors, all made of the crudest parts assembled in the crudest possible fashion and "demonstrated" in YT videos that are worse than a 10 year old kid might publish... but you with all your skills and knowledge and equipment and money.... you can't get any of your own "replications" to work like the YT videos show and like your correspondents claim. You must really be doing something wrong!

Or perhaps... just perhaps.... there is some other factor in play which is preventing you from being successful.
Tinsel
Realy ! then you must be doing some thing wrong  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 15, 2018, 11:42:32 PM
Because its all BS, that's why! the anti gravity russian disk its a simple trick using fishing line, so primitive that its even embarrassing. Tomorrow if the weather condition improve I will make a video and post it on YT to debunk this flying disk nonsense. Wesley is Wesley , he does not claim that flying disk is real, judge by yourself, however he does believe in kapanadze and kapanadze is on my list of "free energy devices to debunk" one method is to connect "tuned" tesla coil ground to HF circuit (driven by spark gap <--- a lot of displacement current is there) and see if TC could get a "boost" from HF circuit, I'm disappointment that people those days are soo naive and easy to fool!
Well didn't the Nazi bell work some thing like that ?
he does not show it ascending perhaps that's the problem he isn't telling.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 16, 2018, 12:00:21 AM
If you experience something that is outside of someone else's 'circle of beliefs,' then you should expect
that this other person will most probably just not accept at all what you are saying, no matter how carefully you explain
your experience to them. If you are observant, you might know that when someone is claiming something that is quite
outside of someone else's circle of beliefs, it often is not nearly enough at all that this other person will just ignore you from
that point on, they will often have a strong desire to attack and insult and ridicule the person who is making a claim which, 
based on their beliefs, they assume absolutely must be nonsense. This, unfortunately, is human nature. It is also the reason
why people who come up with new discoveries are sometimes attacked and ridiculed relentlessly, even by educated people
who should know better. Yes, often people are just mistaken about what they are claiming in areas such as this, but every once
in a while someone does come up with something that seemingly can really shake the established foundations. Such people, as
I mentioned, are often attacked and ridiculed relentlessly.

In the case of these Kapandze/Daly/Akula/Ruslan devices, I personally have seen enough to pretty much convince me
that at least some of these devices are probably legitimate, if not all of those mentioned. How long they can
continuously self power and keep running I don't know, but I have seen some indications they might easily run for
several hours at least, if not much longer.
My personal view only. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 16, 2018, 12:11:03 AM
Wesley
I like your self am not interested in producing such devices except to subsidies my energy use
I'm sure many people on here have the same idea and sharing the knowledge, in saying that
there are  many ideas of zped devices that work.

When will you be sharing your device with us ?

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 16, 2018, 12:45:08 AM
Wesley
I like your self am not interested in producing such devices except to subsidies my energy use
I'm sure many people on here have the same idea and sharing the knowledge, in saying that
there are  many ideas of zped devices that work.

When will you be sharing your device with us ?

AG
Thank you my friend.
I will do everything possible to deliver you information  you  are waiting for.
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 16, 2018, 12:50:53 AM
When will you be sharing your device with us ?

Just to clarify, it is not Wesley's device.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 16, 2018, 12:53:05 AM
Quote
you experience something that is outside of someone else's 'circle of beliefs,' then you should expect
that this other person will most probably just not accept at all what you are saying, no matter how carefully you explain
your experience to them. If you are observant, you might know that when someone is claiming something that is quite
outside of someone else's circle of beliefs, it often is not nearly enough at all that this other person will just ignore you from
that point on, they will often have a strong desire to attack and insult and ridicule the person who is making a claim which,
based on their beliefs, they assume absolutely must be nonsense. This, unfortunately, is human nature. It is also the reason
why people who come up with new discoveries are sometimes attacked and ridiculed relentlessly, even by educated people
who should know better. Yes, often people are just mistaken about what they are claiming in areas such as this, but every once
in a while someone does come up with something that seemingly can really shake the established foundations. Such people, as
I mentioned, are often attacked and ridiculed relentlessly.

In the case of these Kapandze/Daly/Akula/Ruslan devices, I personally have seen enough to pretty much convince me
that at least some of these devices are probably legitimate, if not all of those mentioned. How long they can
continuously self power and keep running I don't know, but I have seen some indications they might easily run for
several hours at least, if not much longer.
My personal view only. :)

True.

A real OU device capable of producing free energy or harnessing energy from ionosphere, earth or whatever, is easy to be proven, yet all the demos seen by us so far are dodgy as hell; Kapanadze in his garage, Akula near his house and Ruslan (yet the best demo so far) in some bushy area. If I had a free energy device I would organize much better presentation, a lot of press and cameras, remote area and so on, and after that start going to universities where scientist and engineers  could make some measurements. Objective truth is out there, I see no problem if someone would not believe me, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, that's fine. Generating energy is easy to measure and verify and fear of stealing a secret is a poor excuse because such device would be quite complex and we all know why.

Anyways, I do have a respect for Wesley, I found his channel/research entertaining and I do like his work on NMR and Coleman, He possesses a lot of knowledge, has a real lab ( that I can only dream of) and he even survived WTC attack lol, so lots of potential there. I do believe in "some form of" cheap or even free energy (is a black hole not a OU device?) this is driven by HOPE because mankind needs this stuff to survive and the statement "Everything that can be invented has been invented." does not convinces me, universe has much more to offer.There is no reason to be rude, every opinion on this topic is needed in order to find the truth that is out there, somewhere and its aint easy.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 16, 2018, 01:52:46 AM
Generating energy is easy to measure and verify and fear of stealing a secret is a poor excuse because such device would be quite complex and we all know why.

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. I disagree that fear of the secret being stolen is a poor excuse.
For those people trying to make big money from these devices, that would of course be a big concern for them,
so they would definitely not be willing to show all details openly, if that is their motive. 

Actually, based on what we have all seen, these devices are not really very complicated, circuit wise,
so it should not be so very hard for people to figure out the general principle behind them, if a few
things were not kept hidden. However, since people do not understand the concept behind them yet,
they have been stumped so far, even though the devices are not that complicated.

Actually I think the concept has been staring people in the face for many years now, but people missed
it because they just can't understand why it would work. It seems the 'secret' may be out before
too much longer however, so I expect people will then see that it has been staring them in the face for
several years already, but people just missed a couple of things, which may not be so complicated at all.

Why it works from a physics standpoint will likely still be a mystery for quite some time to come however.
Things are not 'supposed' to work that way. This is the reason I think that many people have been
stumped so far, and many others insist it must be fake. If they think it just can't work that way, they
may well not think to try it that way. :)

So, it seems the device construction itself is not overly complicated for anyone with some knowledge of electronics,
but the explanation of why it actually works will have to be left to the propeller-head physicists to mull and argue
over, maybe for many years to come... :)


P.S.

Anyways, I do have a respect for Wesley, I found his channel/research entertaining and I do like his work on NMR and Coleman, He possesses a lot of knowledge, has a real lab ( that I can only dream of) and he even survived WTC attack lol, so lots of potential there. I do believe in "some form of" cheap or even free energy (is a black hole not a OU device?) this is driven by HOPE because mankind needs this stuff to survive and the statement "Everything that can be invented has been invented." does not convinces me, universe has much more to offer.There is no reason to be rude, every opinion on this topic is needed in order to find the truth that is out there, somewhere and its aint easy.

I think Wesley has been doing a great job in sharing information on these type of devices for many years now,
and I am convinced his motivations are good. Although Wesley has a background in science, I think that
Wesley is not formally trained in electronics or electrical engineering, so it is understandable that he may not
be able to understand all the ins and outs of the electronics of these type of devices, so I think people should cut
him some slack. He has been doing the best he can. :)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 16, 2018, 02:30:19 AM
Dear friends the schematic was released  few minutes ago.(  now it is 4 hours ago)
However  it was told that this is not  as of yet the  actual schematic of the device.
However it is sufficient  enough  for replication
I have it all recorded with explanations .
So wait please.
================================================================================


for PolaczekCebulaczek :

Electronics;
I do understand pretty well electric systems , electronic systems  and  logic systems.
That includes  vacuum tubes, transistors and TTL,  communication , resonance circuits,
I have no problem with practical work such as assembly  making PCB and soldering.
'm I good  in it?
That depends who you comparing me with. I would place myself  much higher than average  level of electronic enthusiast. but that's me.

Practical mechanics:

 Any possible technology of the past and presence  I was playing with , CNC mills lathes, sintering presses, hydraulic pumps. tool rooms, EDM, metal and plastic  forming.
very well knowledge  about machinery and  technology.


Chemistry : I was lazy but I can manage.
Biology .. forget it...I'm possibly above average  but I consider  myself  to be not good in it at all.
Physics - is my love. :)
Particle Physics (also high energy physics) is what I'm good at.
 

Wesley

 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 16, 2018, 04:47:36 AM
The paradox of OU devices, inventors want to make money out of free energy lol, that could be the problem.To patent such deivce one must convince a modern scientific  world, publish papers, go to TED, present you theory, wait for positive response and then you could get a patent? cant be done without exposing the secret? However many inventions traveled this road and their inventors get the money.

Quote
Actually, based on what we have all seen, these devices are not really very complicated

I don't think that the secret of russian OU devices (if its real) is that simple, look ad Dally thread, those guyz are trying hard, schematics are all over the place, lots of tunning and still no cigar! weird.
Here is what I think; it seems that there is one important element missing for replicators. THE SOURCE OF ENERGY, maybe such energy only exist in russia or maybe its all fake, but how certain combinations of waves, fields, frequencies and gradate coils can "unlock" a massive energy receiving? and receiving from where? earth? (invisible energy in earth? telluric currents are weak as shit) ionosphere voltage? (how to reach that far? an "invisible" standing wave coming from device reaching 1000km up?) or power straight  from copper atom or quantum vacuum? how this super conversion works?


OK the russian claim is that resonance is responsible for energy generating or receiving in russian style devices, resonance in relation to what? normal resonance cant give you free energy, same goes for resonance inside resonance or mixing fields with waves, its all tested and examined but perhaps resonance mix is needed only to sustain the effect that can suck energy from somewhere? if so then here is what i think:

Let's assume that there is some "mysterious energy source" but this energy can only be obtained if device is in resonance with this mysterious energy source, when resonance is reached then device is starting to receive energy from the source but the energy received immediately starts to change resonance (as soon as energy in the system starts growing then the device is going out of resonance) so the device can't receive anymore, the solution for this is to build a device that can tune itself, that's why mixing stuff is necessary, capacitance and inductance mixed in various ways (fancy looking coil-capacitors and so on), now such a device should auto follow the "new and constantly changing" resonance needed frequencies (due to energy growing) and when the energy buffer is filled high enough then we could use this nice amount of energy for our load (bulbs are the easiest). After device run out of capacitance and inductance (space?)  for selftunning it will go out of resonance (at this point we sucked a practical amount of energy from source) and the process starts again, up and down ,up and down. Looking at the scope is not helpful is case of such tricky device, scope only shows "starting point" and when device is in successful operation the scope will show some BS and not real operation because frequencies are changing really fast. Ruslan had shown "the best waveform" on his scope but when you look closer you can see that his waveforms were slightly pulsing, like they had an extra rhythm on top off all (because everything is changing to fast for scope to register?). I don't know how to explain it better (language barrier) or what is a correct term for such tech, a weird resonant rise? or resonant cascade? maybe someone skilled in art could shed more light on this theory.

One may ask: "resonance in relation to what? this mysterious energy source must be electromagnetic in nature so it can exchange EM with our electronic device, where is this radiation? all EM stuff around is weak" well, maybe resonance mixing is needed only for producing some "special field, effect" and that special stuff can connect with this mysterious source of energy, non EM in nature but made from this same fabric and thus capable of taking energy from it and converting it to EM energy for the coils. Are we discovered all types of fields and forces in universe?

Probably I'm wrong but whatever.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 16, 2018, 05:25:46 AM
I don't think that the secret of russian OU devices (if its real) is that simple, look ad Dally thread, those guyz are trying hard, schematics are all over the place, lots of tunning and still no cigar! weird.

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. The problem I think may be that many people are stuck in a certain perspective
and can't easily shift to a different perspective. The device circuitry itself is not complicated. However, people seem to
have a tendency to add all kinds of complication and wild ideas on top of it all because they can't see how such
a simple setup could produce those kind of supposedly 'impossible' results. Again, the circuitry itself seems to be fairly simple.
However, explaining why it all might work the way it seems to work from a physics perspective is something that
will likely give physicists a very hard time for many years to come (assuming it really works). This is not 'supposed' to be able
to work based on current accepted theories. If it works, and I am inclined to think it really does, then it seems to me that some
'perspective adjustment' may be needed to eventually understand it. :)
Just my opinion.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: GeoFusion on July 16, 2018, 06:09:43 AM
PolaczekCebulaczek, and all

How should I enlighten on this...

dont' discard it..
Resonance plays a very important  role on energy conversion devices but is not what brings that additional
external energy into the system(s).

That  what brings that extra energy that we want to know about, where it comes from and how to use it...
 comes from our SURROUNDINGS.  How?
You will need HV IMPULSE, SHORT BURST, Continuous. simple Kacher wont do this on it's own.
Excitation of the particles.... they are in our space and everywhere.
The receiver coil must resonate with the HV impulse module ( coil ) to able to harvest that what comes
and collects 100% of the energy. Here is where Freq management is important, it will very for everyone.
its like having a radio station and try to tune your radio receiver to the transmitting signal.

Imagine A field being generated with HV and having to Collapse it abruptly right after and forcefully,
that is one way to create this condition.

This energy we could also view it electrostatic since it EMPs everything as well.
This is what charges the caps right away and fast.  Ionizing.
  by modulating that signal coming in it can be amplified with a secondary circuit.

"""LIGHTNING""", the discharge, The Ionosphere where many of the charges are flowing.. 
is our example of where this energy is coming from and it is abundant and infinite...
filling our planet and outer space is totally seeded by this.

Just need to know how to activate/excite these charges and make them usable.

Tesla coil needs to operate as HV Spike discharge device,
 imagine like a Knife wave with a sharp drop to kill the oscillations
and repeat. as exmaple. It's this collapsing field which is making this exciting condition
It can be done with any other setups as well as long as it does this.
 
Vasmus was one who did it also,  the relay helped well and his modulation circuit.
Ruslan did tell some years ago on a russian forum what it was when he was new to this,
he did say it is all about Tesla coil, the main ingredient.

So there are many others who had shown but did little or nothing on Knowledge.....

Cheerz~
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: GeoFusion on July 16, 2018, 06:20:17 AM
Dear friends the schematic was released  few minutes ago.(  now it is 4 hours ago)
However  it was told that this is not  as of yet the  actual schematic of the device.
However it is sufficient  enough  for replication
I have it all recorded with explanations .
So wait please.

Hi Wesley,
Will patiently wait on this :)
is it this?
https://youtu.be/UXWw7TCcS_A?t=607

Cheerz~
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 16, 2018, 07:36:20 AM
Hi Geo

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Excitation of the particles.... they are in our space and everywhere

Soo the ionized air particles is the source of free energy? AFAIK atom HV ionization wont give more energy then energy spend for ionization. And if so then how and why?

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Dear friends the schematic was released  few minutes ago.(  now it is 4 hours ago)
However  it was told that this is not  as of yet the  actual schematic of the device.
However it is sufficient  enough  for replication
I have it all recorded with explanations .
So wait please.

Please not another one from real strannik...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 16, 2018, 09:12:33 AM
Not ions but electrons which are here but are "dormant till cycled" like Don Smith said. I still cannot understand how Don was able to  present so much correct information with so much mess around. You can re-watch his videos a catch some elements on schematics which he never explained but they are here. Look for example at secondary - how he showed it on actual devices and how it was represented on schematics.


It's incorrect to think that all such devices are made by people at garage. Look what happened to Barbosa & Leal... The energy source is one, quite complicated in fact with direct connection to Sun. All you have to do is connect all dots , all tips from inventors from all times...it was enough for Barbosa & Leal to make devices producing COP=100 but they made a mistake when presenting device powered from power grid.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 16, 2018, 12:22:35 PM
Hi Wesley,
Will patiently wait on this :)
is it this?
https://youtu.be/UXWw7TCcS_A?t=607 (https://youtu.be/UXWw7TCcS_A?t=607)

Cheerz~
This is BS. Are you really placing me that low?
Why you are  trying to be smarter?
Even if you find what I'm  talking about and publish it now, do you think  you are such a smart ass?
There is a reason for that delay.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 16, 2018, 12:59:56 PM

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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 16, 2018, 03:43:40 PM
Not ions but electrons which are here but are "dormant till cycled" like Don Smith said. I still cannot understand how Don was able to  present so much correct information with so much mess around. You can re-watch his videos a catch some elements on schematics which he never explained but they are here. Look for example at secondary - how he showed it on actual devices and how it was represented on schematics.


It's incorrect to think that all such devices are made by people at garage. Look what happened to Barbosa & Leal... The energy source is one, quite complicated in fact with direct connection to Sun. All you have to do is connect all dots , all tips from inventors from all times...it was enough for Barbosa & Leal to make devices producing COP=100 but they made a mistake when presenting device powered from power grid.
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=994 (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=994) .
Exactly in this moment it says in German 900%.
However you need to understand it properly.
There is no free lunch.  However we do not need to pay for that lunch in many cases.

"The coefficient of performance or COP (sometimes CP or CoP) of a heat pump, refrigerator or air conditioning system is a ratio of useful heating or cooling provided to work required.
Higher COPs equate to lower operating costs.
The COP usually exceeds 1, especially in heat pumps, because, instead of just converting work to heat (which, if 100% efficient, would be a COP_hp of 1),
It pumps additional heat from a heat source to where the heat is required."

So that is how to understand  it:
COP>1 cannot exist.
 And Yes, It is officially and scientifically  accepted -  but only for explanation

The only way  when COP>1 will be seen, is when we will be dealing with illusion.
So for example we deliver 80% of energy and the device shows 150% at the output,that means
that we are not dealing with overunity,
but  we  have 70% of additional energy acquired by means of energy conversion from source other than our own.
Electrostatic effect would mean - creation of potential difference that is attracting electrons from the ground the travel to positively charged electrode.
NMR or any other means of coupling to secondary energy source like by means of transmutation is  an example of  that what we are looking for.


"For complete systems, COP calculations should include energy consumption of all power consuming auxiliaries.
COP is highly dependent on operating conditions, especially absolute temperature and relative temperature between sink and system, and is often graphed or averaged against expected conditions.'

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 16, 2018, 04:39:01 PM
PolaczekCebulaczek

Do you believe in Stars?... there are trillions upon trillions of galaxies each filled with trillions upon trillions of stars not unlike our Sun. Our star, the Sun, radiates more energy into space in one second than all of humanity has utilized in it's entire existence. If energy is conserved where do you think all that energy went?.

Do you believe in Matter?... we know all tangible matter is in perpetual motion at the particle/field level and much of it moves near the speed of light. Thus we know all tangible matter also contains a massive quantity of energy in itself. If energy is conserved then why is matter in perpetual motion near the speed of light?.

If you believe in Stars and Matter... then you should also believe every star in the universe transmits energy into space and this energy gravitates towards matter which receives this energy. This is Nikola Tesla's wheel work of nature, it is energy from every star in the universe filling every space which induces a perpetual motion within all material things. There is no mystery here because all this information can be found in any high school textbook.

The unfortunate truth is many people are more inclined to believe in fairly tales propagated by the ignorant masses without tangible proof rather than facts. We are swimming in a sea of energy everywhere in everything and it is simply a matter of time before we will know an abundance of clean, free energy.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: iflewmyown on July 16, 2018, 05:59:11 PM
Wesley, ignore the slings and arrows of those who can only criticize, yours is a noble cause and you will be celebrated.
Garry
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 16, 2018, 06:34:28 PM

So that is how to understand  it:
COP>1 cannot exist.

Wesley,
Your a great guy...great scientist...

Lets formulate it different

   "Everything what not yet exists, isn't yet discovered".


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 16, 2018, 06:40:04 PM
Wesley,
Your a great guy...great scientist...

Lets formulate it different

   "Everything what not yet exists, isn't yet discovered".
I do thank you for your words my friends
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 16, 2018, 06:43:28 PM
I do thank you for your words my friends
Wesley

Your welcome my friend.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: GeoFusion on July 16, 2018, 06:57:36 PM
This is BS. Are you really placing me that low?
Why you are  trying to be smarter?
Even if you find what I'm  talking about and publish it now, do you think  you are such a smart ass?
There is a reason for that delay.

Wesley

Hi Wesley,

My apologies if it touched you like that ..
But that was not my intention, I fully support what
you are doing here and looking forward to info and news
and sharing what i have on hand , its not to compete.
Only wanted to see what your thoughts are on that vid.
Thats all.

Cheers
Geo.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: GeoFusion on July 16, 2018, 07:11:05 PM
Hi Geo

Soo the ionized air particles is the source of free energy? AFAIK atom HV ionization wont give more energy then energy spend for ionization. And if so then how and why?

Only when you have experimented enough, you will see what i mean, its in one of my recordings and its no longer a secret for me.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 16, 2018, 08:44:45 PM
Hi I my self got so fed up with all the BS on the subject I made a test rig for experimentation with
a fast NE555 and a MOS-FET current driver.

I first wound a miniature coil wit about 600 turns on it for L1 and L2
just had 2 or 3 turns it was quite good at that and would illuminate a LED 5Watt display as a load,

I also wound a bigger coil to play with a few 100 turns for L1 and L2 was 1/8th wave and tuned it to
the winding wave length with far better results
I used a 'c' across L2 secondary winding, wire length is critical for this device.

Here is the LF test rig I used

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 16, 2018, 11:15:48 PM
Here in Russian is the "RUSLAN K." "mindset" of why he is the way he is.. looks like he is afraid of the collapse of the World system as he sees it...

This is a conversation with Polish guy.. Every one will just have to translate too him self, as Russian is hard to do a proper cut and paste google translate.. Sorry for that..

Acca...

 Ruslan K 7 months ago
Для того чтобы этот аппарат запустить и он полноценно работал, прежде всего надо понять как работает электромагнитная волна. Затем разобраться с катушками… Каждый делает ошибку огромнейшую не понимаю как работает эта катушка. Мотаю не понимает вообще сути процессов и как это работает…! Есть ещё один товарищ сталкер который лечит мозги всем не понимает также ничего, я абсолютно ничего не сделав! Ни одного готового образца он не показал !!! Зато Болтунов развелось целая куча, никто не хочет думать головой а только одни оскорбления. Поэтому я и перестал всем рассказывать что и как…! Это ваша ошибка многих кто зубами скрипит и гонит, тем более оскорбляет. Поэты причине вы ничего не знаете будете дальше скрипеть зубами! А это очень просто всё сделать…! Надо только мозг включить
Walery Makarewicz 4 months ago
Руслан, ты прям как Капанадзе становишься. Всё намеки да коммерческая тайна. Че вы понять не можете что нужна инструкция по сборке и НАСТРОЙКЕ. У тебя получилось сделать самозапит. У Сталкера хорошо получается обьяснять материал. Ну так начните сотрудничать между собой - обьясни все Сталкеру, может у него получиться обьяснить все народу. Ведь большинство пользователей и так не будут понимать как работает генератор, а производить и продавать его массово просто не дадут. По-этому ни денег ни широкой славы затаиванием СЕ не добьетесь. Посмотрите на Н. Теслу - ему закрыли рот, обрезали финансирование, а потом забыли...
Ruslan K 4 months ago
Walery Makarewicz не не ...погоди ! Я не буду никаких инструкций писать . Эта вся херабора настолько проста что дальше некуда. Но если вы инженер, занимаетесь экспериментами и хорошо знаете что такое электроника и как движется ток . Что такое волна и как она себя ведёт в катушке, этот аппарат вам по силам !!! Если вы ждёте подробных инструкций... увы ! Нет и ещё раз нет. Это всё равно что дать обезьяне автомат .
Walery Makarewicz 4 months ago
Может и так, но по моему атомные электростанции, войны за нефть, голод и т.п. - вот это автоматы похлеще ... И все-таки без схем, инструкции настройки, инструкции безопасности это так и останется "гаражной" технологией. Капанадзе сам говорил, что он даже Саакашвили установку показывал и что? и ничего, ... официальным властям это просто невыгодно. Они бояться потерять контроль над счетчиками, власть и деньги. Ну ничего, остается надеятся что однажды такой как Ацюковский Владимир Акимович (спец по эфиродинамике http://www.atsuk.dart.ru) напишет книгу и выложит в открытый доступ.
Ruslan K 4 months ago
Вы странный человек ! Никто ничего не выложит. будет катастрофа !!! Вы обрушите систему.
Walery Makarewicz 4 months ago
Какую систему? Систему, которая стоит на нефти, загрязняет и уничтожает природу, убивает сотни тысяч людей? так она и сама скоро рухнет. Будет безработица? Так уже сейчас роботы заменяют людей, по-этому проводят соцэксперименты по минимальному доходу, который выплачивают просто так - ни за что. Война? А разве сейчас мир на Земле? Сейчас в мире насчитывается почти четыре десятка вооруженных конфликтов и войн. БТГ это только одна из технологий, которые возникнут благодаря теории эфира. Просто возникнет новая социальная система, как когда-то возникали новые системы с открытием колеса, парового двигателя, электричества и т.д.
Ruslan K 4 months ago
давайте не будем писать глупости ! Человек , это алчное создание . Я сейчас выложу подробности и начнётся бардак . И сразу же всё запретят. Потому что начнут продавать гаражные мастера это всё в массы. Причём рукожопые мастера , а таких тут пруд пруди. Это будет такая жопа, что пострадают простые люди. Нельзя так давать просто человеку с корыстными целями. Успокойтесь ! Я лично сам с 2013 года ночами не спал,занимаясь этим всем. И как любой другой, ценю свой труд. Потому подсказываю как могу,но подробно разжевать это будет слишком не просто и к тому же я сказал что не всем это должно попасть в руки !!! Не всем !!!
Walery Makarewicz 4 months ago
Таки да, наверное Вы правы - человек это алчное создание. Тогда появляется вопрос - сейчас под воздействием Вашей алчности, не уводят ли Ваши подсказки на ложный путь близких к открытию искателей СЕ? Ведь теперь они по логике алчности рассматриваются как конкуренты? Ну да ладно, на нет и суда нет. Приятно было пообщаться с создателем БТГ. Удачи!
 Ruslan K 4 months ago
Я не занимаюсь уведением в сторону ! Я хочу чтобы инженеры начали головой соображать, а типа "радиолюбители " (Деньга - любители) вредители отделились скрепя зубами. Вот что я хочу ! Пока на всех видео что я вижу и читаю тексты...Всё тупик и глупо ! Люди не понимают что такое генератор переменного тока. Не понимают и не хотят . Что я могу сделать ? Вот давайте к делу сейчас все.... Допустим ! Ответе мне на вопрос : Что такое Тесла и для чего она нужна в установке ?
 Yury 38 4 months ago
Ruslan K Руслан привет!, тэслой в этой установке мы создаём свободные насители зарядов ,а бифом утилизируем в колебательном процессе;)
Ruslan K 4 months ago
Ответ не верный ! Я вам про воду говорил ? Предметы на воде становятся легче ? Включайте соображалку . Магнитное поле вращающееся в индукционке ничего не напоминает ?
Yury 38 4 months ago
Ruslan K ок как писал Тэсла " эфир нужно охладить, создать зону малой энергии ,тем самым эфир сам потечёт "к центру его трансформатора , примерно так?, я в опыте обнаружил влияние на колебательный контур от индуктора каторый просто качал транзистором, на ослике появилась ам МОДУЛЯЦИЯ, нагрузка загорелась ярче! Это оно?
йожын збажын 3 months ago
Walery Makarewicz он не становится, это один и тот-же человек, если бы эта хрень работала бы он бы сам подробную схему сборки выложил, а раз не вылодил и не запитал от этой зрени сварочник жто значит что все это фейк обычный.
саня клерк 1 month ago
НЕТ ! свободные носители зарядов ( это нам выполняет индуктор - а стоячая волна - ох как любит этот индуктор ))))) и не какой утилизации не происходит ( иначе это гибель для прекрасного момента ) просто --- используем работу этой красоты !!!! чем мог - чем мог !!!!!!
 
саня клерк 1 month ago (edited)
как писал Тэсла " эфир нужно охладить, создать зону малой энергии ,тем самым эфир сам потечёт "к центру его трансформатора , !!! ДА!!ДА!!! ИМЕННО ТАК !!!! ---- но вот есть одна закавыка ( только когда вы - соберёте дэвайс и потом разберётесь как это работает --- вот тогда вам будет ясен смысл вот этих слов (нужно создать зону малой энергии ,тем самым эфир сам потечёт "к центру его трансформатора)))))))) единственное что могу от себя добавить (зона малой энергии - это нашей современностью будет непонято ) !!! про цитирую нашим пониманием - дней наших ( активный вакуумный ноль или зона минус 1. с + 1 НАПРОТИВ или вакуумная исходная точка или (+0-) или ЭНЕРГЕТИЧЕСКИЙ ВАКУУМ двух полярностей ! эпицентр вакуума !!! намекаю как могу !!! зона дефицита энергии или чем мог - чем - мог !!! это похожее как у нас - у людей все и всё на приделе ( но ) взрыва не будет ! построили границу и обмен дефицитом
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 16, 2018, 11:53:17 PM
Thanks for that information Acca  :o ! the guy doesn't seem a too happy bunny!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 17, 2018, 02:00:34 AM
Here in Russian is the "RUSLAN K." "mindset" of why he is the way he is.. looks like he is afraid of the collapse of the World system as he sees it...

This is a conversation with Polish guy.. Every one will just have to translate too him self, as Russian is hard to do a proper cut and paste google translate.. Sorry for that..

Acca...

 Ruslan K 7 months ago

There is a need to understand electromagnetic waves,and its properties to be able to build and start the device.
And then properly wind coils.
Everybody makes mistakes not understanding how this coil works. they winding it not having slight idea about the processes inside of that coil.
We have a guy name Stalker, who is opposing my achievement, basically he says:
" That I didn't build anything I didn't make anything,!!!
I see now talkers all around, plenty of them,and nobody wants to use his brain and think, they only know how to insult me.
That is why I decided to stop explaining all of you what and how.
It is your mistakes is you guys those who, is biting me, and  insulting me.
And because of that reason I do not know anything and you grind your teethes again and again.
And this is very simple. You need only to use your brain.

Walery:
Ruslan you start to behave like Tariel.other small piece of information becomes your commercial intellectual property.
Can't you just understand it there is a need of sort of the guideline , the assembly and tuning.
You were lucky to make self looping. However stalker is trying to explain it.
So if he's good in something and you are good in something why don't you start the cooperate ?
you can explain everything to stalker, and he would be able to explain the device to us.
most of us would not be able to understand how generator works, and nobody would agree to let it be manufactured and sold in big number.
This is why you not going to be able to gain money or fame by holding secrets to yourself. look at Tesla they shut him up cut his finances and then killed him.

Ruslan:
I disagree, I will not give any manuals, All of these guys are so primitive.
But if you are electronic engineer experimenter any no electronics any no how current is moving and you know what is
Electromagnetic wave,and how it behaves inside of coil, you would be able to build it.
But if you are waiting accurate guidelines ... forget it.
no and one more time I repeat no. It would be to shame like to give machine-gun to the Hands of monkey.

Walery:
you may say that. But do we need atomic power station, wars, because of energy resources?
That is more dangerous than machine guns.
So without schematic instruction tuning manual and personal security of not being punished for that, it will still be technology from garage.
Kapanadze  once said  that he was present think he's technology to present the Georgia Saakashvili, and what, nothing, governments do not want it.
They are afraid to lose control over the energy and your own superior power over the nation.
But it is possible that Ackovski Vladimir Who wrote electrodynamics he  writes a book, and explains this all of it to us.

Ruslan;
yeah you are very weird person,Nobody would ever give any secrets. It will be a collapse of the system.

Walery:
What system you have in mind.?  The system that is based on oil, and is destroying world ecology? If it stays this way it will collapse and how. Unemployment? – Even now we have robots taking over.
There are experiments with minimum wage paid per individual with no work performed just to see how it works and how people would agree to that.

Wars:? What does he do we have peace now? We have at least 40 military conflicts in the world. BTG appears to be one of the technologies coming out from eather.
We will simply have another social system. That happened in the past. wheel, steam engine, electricity.

Ruslan;
stop behaving like an idiot.Human is just greedy creature. If I  publish all of the details  and  you have the beginning of the end.
Complete chaos. And this technology will be immediately  forbidden.
So whatever would be able to be sold it would be sold.
And it would be just another piece of junk made by junkie masters.
There are a dozens of ducks out there.

The world will become full of shit and chaos, the primary victim will be just another  simple man.
just stop it..... you cannot give it to somebody just  to allow him to make a profit on it

starting from year 2013 during the nighttime I wasn't sleeping was working to be able to make it.
And I respect my own work.
That is why I am saying what I'm saying to help you out guys but to guide you how to do it is not a simple task.
And  I a point it  again... this device should not be accessible to all of the people.

Walery:
well I agree with you human being is a very egoistic creature.
So the question for you, I see that you are being driven by your selfishness,
isn't it that you trying to derail people who are close to be able to build it.
Isn't that that you driving them to the side Road of lies.?
in fact they are being now considered to be your competitor's isn't it close enough to the truth?
okay I give up. It was my pleasure to talk to creator a free energy device.I wish you the best.
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Yura:
Tesla coil is being used by us to create electrostatic potential difference, and biffilar we use resonance circuit.

Ruslan
this is not true, and it is not the right way, I told you about electromagnetic wave.
Anything that is immersed in water becomes lighter. Including your imagination, magnetic field circulating in inductor doesn't ring the bell to you?
Yura:
well, Tesla was writing that aether should be cooled  down,to create a region of small energy were aether would actually start to flow in the center of the transformer..
But I have noticed presence of AM modulation interacting with , resonance circuit powered by transistor.
And my load start to give me more light. And this is what I was looking for.

jozhyn zbazhyn:
walery will not stop, he is one kind of those special people if he was able to make it he would give it away.and since you didn't do it it means this is fake.

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I will not continue  this translation as  the deeper I go into it - the  more  of nothingness is being told

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 17, 2018, 02:25:28 AM
So be honest. There are some worries of my own that  have been expressed by Ruslan as well.
In did it will be collapse of the systems  leading to easiness of life and  overpopulation.
At the end it would be devastation  of environment   by growing number of human species.
Lack of resources  to feed them, restrictions of who has the rights to be  born and stay alive.
And at the end  shockingly fast search for new shelters in space for humanity

So I could understand Ruslan if He was the truly  worrying creature ,  trying to  foresee the best and worst of the mankind if FE is available.
But if he is  just to say  it hypothetically :
The  Greedy top throat fu.king bottom, our hopes and dreams and better tomorrow of our  children's , than I would not be happy if he swallows any of it , as it   turns only  into  full sh.t  of his own body.
This world  does not belong to  individuals it belongs to the crowd . We make it accessible to hyenas ,  set on the top by our own stupidity, or possibly  by our own weaknesses and lack of choice.

Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 17, 2018, 05:14:26 AM
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PolaczekCebulaczek

Do you believe in Stars?... there are trillions upon trillions of galaxies each filled with trillions upon trillions of stars not unlike our Sun. Our star, the Sun, radiates more energy into space in one second than all of humanity has utilized in it's entire existence. If energy is conserved where do you think all that energy went?.

Do you believe in Matter?... we know all tangible matter is in perpetual motion at the particle/field level and much of it moves near the speed of light. Thus we know all tangible matter also contains a massive quantity of energy in itself. If energy is conserved then why is matter in perpetual motion near the speed of light?.

If you believe in Stars and Matter... then you should also believe every star in the universe transmits energy into space and this energy gravitates towards matter which receives this energy. This is Nikola Tesla's wheel work of nature, it is energy from every star in the universe filling every space which induces a perpetual motion within all material things. There is no mystery here because all this information can be found in any high school textbook.

The unfortunate truth is many people are more inclined to believe in fairly tales propagated by the ignorant masses without tangible proof rather than facts. We are swimming in a sea of energy everywhere in everything and it is simply a matter of time before we will know an abundance of clean, free energy.

Of course I do! Dyson sphere and lets take some of big boom energy! big boom served free launch, yummmy!
In case of atomic energy, is there a free energy in atom? not like NMR ( Hi wesley! how's the Coleman? I want to see energy coming from iron isotope as super fuel or even a MR. fusion reactor!) but rather... hmmm.. lets take EM energy straight from atom without destroying/changing it state (fission) and use it for lightbulbs, sure, the atoms will loose it mass in the process, but hey! a flaying saucuer is born! twp birds at one stove!

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Only when you have experimented enough, you will see what i mean, its in one of my recordings and its no longer a secret for me.
<---- I want to believe.


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Wesley,
Your a great guy...great scientist...

Yeah, dla mnie tez Wesley jest wielki polak, naukowiec, filantrop, najlepszy w internetach bo jak nie on to kto? seriously! my knowledge can't even match to his (I have a soviet style education [technical college?] poor stuff.)

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That I didn't build anything I didn't make anything,!!!

wat?! he gets his balls radiated by coleman tube, NMR is something.
Not to mention that Wesley saw a kapanadze device in action. Does not matter if kapa is real or not, he was there!

Time will tell if any of russian style devices are real thing or its just a massive trolling of western world.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 17, 2018, 09:26:13 AM
Like Tito said. It's kind of open hidden info. or by words of other man : the noise is the best way to hide the truth.
I can say the same about solar panels and heat pumps : they are Overunity devices, they have to be stopped because they ruin the current system ! Bulshit, Tesla already known that the system is upset for 180 years , from the time of induction laws discovery
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 17, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
Strange you should talk about 'noise' and truth ,It's a bit like watching TV one gets interested in some thing usefull and then 10 mins of adverts, and the interest is lost , as I cant use or under stand what any of it has to do with the 'thread' please explain the last three or four posts please how I can put it to any constructive use on the bench ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 17, 2018, 02:43:55 PM
So be honest. There are some worries of my own that  have been expressed by Ruslan as well.
In did it will be collapse of the systems  leading to easiness of life and  overpopulation.
At the end it would be devastation  of environment   by growing number of human species.
Lack of resources  to feed them, restrictions of who has the rights to be  born and stay alive.
And at the end  shockingly fast search for new shelters in space for humanity

So I could understand Ruslan if He was the truly  worrying creature ,  trying to  foresee the best and worst of the mankind if FE is available.
But if he is  just to say  it hypothetically :
The  Greedy top throat fu.king bottom, our hopes and dreams and better tomorrow of our  children's , than I would not be happy if he swallows any of it , as it   turns only  into  full sh.t  of his own body.
This world  does not belong to  individuals it belongs to the crowd . We make it accessible to hyenas ,  set on the top by our own stupidity, or possibly  by our own weaknesses and lack of choice.

Wesley
It is one thing restricting over population of child birth but quite another killing people off for the sake of politics and war and people who manipulate others for greed.
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: sadang on July 17, 2018, 08:45:44 PM
stivep, in my opinion the main problem is not the devastation of the environment, the overgrow of population, the lack of food ans so on, but the possibility to understand the true foundations of the current civilization, and then people can no longer be manipulated and controlled against their true will, as is done for over 5,000 years.

I can't understand people as Ruslan and others like him, who bring this kind of excuses, instead to make all these devices available free for all. Perhaps they do not understand they do exactly the game of those in power.

I know a guy in Romania who make an overunity device based on permanent magnets and a special electric motor invented by him, who make everything in public, the same as Paul Baumann did with Testatika. These are real valuable people for a civilization, not those with primitive and exacerbated ego, no matter how smart they are.

I dared to write, because the free energy field has been very dear to my childhood, and I've watched you over the years, especially since you've been hanging up with Kapandze.

Have full achievements for the benefit of others.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 18, 2018, 08:22:01 AM
sadang
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in my opinion the main problem is not the devastation of the environment, the overgrow of population, the lack of food ans so on, but the possibility to understand the true foundations of the current civilization, and then people can no longer be manipulated and controlled against their true will, as is done for over 5,000 years.

What part of... if we destroy the environment everyone on the planet dies do you not understand?.

I think your attitude is the reason Ruslan and Kapanadze will never give anyone this technology. Even if everyone had this technology they would still breed themselves out of existence and they would still consume everything in sight for profit and destroy this planet because nobody seems to have learned a god damn thing in the last 200 years.

The reason you will never be given this technology is because it is Pandora's Box, a destroyer of worlds to the majority of people who still think and act on the same level as a primate. People would prostitute this technology for profit, the population and consumption of resources would skyrocket and the only thing that would be accomplished is a more rapid descent into the abyss. The Europeans and the native Americans, the Spaniards and the Aztecs, whenever advanced technology is given to primitive cultures there extinction is not far behind. Unfortunately in this case, I'm sorry to inform you that the majority are the primitive culture.

The unavoidable fact remains... advanced technology cannot fix stupid and it cannot fix a fundamentally flawed perspective based on false beliefs. It's that Prime Directive thing.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 18, 2018, 09:49:51 AM
sadang
What part of... if we destroy the environment everyone on the planet dies do you not understand?.

I think your attitude is the reason Ruslan and Kapanadze will never give anyone this technology. Even if everyone had this technology they would still breed themselves out of existence and they would still consume everything in sight for profit and destroy this planet because nobody seems to have learned a god damn thing in the last 200 years.

The reason you will never be given this technology is because it is Pandora's Box, a destroyer of worlds to the majority of people who still think and act on the same level as a primate. People would prostitute this technology for profit, the population and consumption of resources would skyrocket and the only thing that would be accomplished is a more rapid descent into the abyss. The Europeans and the native Americans, the Spaniards and the Aztecs, whenever advanced technology is given to primitive cultures there extinction is not far behind. Unfortunately in this case, I'm sorry to inform you that the majority are the primitive culture.

The unavoidable fact remains... advanced technology cannot fix stupid and it cannot fix a fundamentally flawed perspective based on false beliefs. It's that Prime Directive thing.
Too true!!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: sadang on July 18, 2018, 09:54:52 AM
onepower what part of... "but the possibility to understand the true foundations of the current civilization, and then people can no longer be manipulated and controlled against their true will, as is done for over 5,000 years" do you not understand?

also what part of... "I can't understand people as Ruslan and others like him, who bring this kind of excuses, instead to make all these devices available free for all. Perhaps they do not understand they do exactly the game of those in power" do you not understand?

Or do you consider to be correct that the environment of this planet belong only to few to the detriment of all other? Also the use of free energy and antigravity technologies only by few to the detriment of all other?

When you will see more than you want to see right now, and will define in right manner the terms "environment" and "die" and many others "well established terms", then perhaps will understand what non-sense you talk about. If you will want will understand all that, but somehow I'm sure you already know all these just you feel comfortable with a sweet lie than with a cruel truth.

And let me tell you there is not any Pandora's box other than the limits established by the same few against all other, and perpetuated through the "educational model" established guess by whom?

And before blaming population for its current behavior, answer why it behaves this way, because a newborn is neither good nor bad, it only exists, and will then be shaped by the environment in which it manifests itself.

Sorry stivep, you can delete this post if consider I'm wrong. I just wanted answer onepower because people like him are the ones who cut the wings of others in their own benefit, and keep a culture in the dark age of its natural development, from lower to higher universal energies.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 18, 2018, 11:30:52 AM
The secret will never be disclosed. that is absolute BS It's all ready out there!
Don Smith told you how, Patric Kelly also tells you how!
Also the word to understand and submit are legal terms to enslave you, only a idiot would admit to them!
now please stop filling the thread with crud.
AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Thaelin on July 18, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
True enough AG, bitching about it will never change it.  Ruslan said he gave it all so now we have it. Put all the posts together and take it to the bench. More and more gets added all the time.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 18, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
the concerns  about giving away a FE device to just everybody  are for sure  something that has to be thougth.
How ever  here is something that relates to the benchwork view. In this video the experimenter is showing  something verry important. ( without knowing ..and no its not about hh0 gas,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM

i know it sound dumb .. but look the vid verry close

all the best JoJo
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: beboszek on July 18, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
So if  everything goes good soon you going to have schematics , PCB  drawings and  go on... OF WORKING DEVICE BY .... ( did I say to much?)

Yes, everybody is waiting for his "final" video. Probably tomorrow we gonna check the value of information provided.
PS: In the meantime, I prepared my bench for this new light :)

Marek
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 19, 2018, 04:27:06 AM
Aliengrey
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The secret will never be disclosed. that is absolute BS It's all ready out there!
Don Smith told you how, Patric Kelly also tells you how!

If the secret is already out there then why can nobody seem to build anything that works?. The secret is not out anywhere and what you have been given to date are incomplete patents, opinionated drafts and sketches and misleading information. The sketches and descriptions on Patrick Kelly's website are useless which Ruslan, Kapanadze and others can confirm. They are not even remotely close to what is required and they never mention the real working principal.

Therein lies your problem... you can throw some coils and circuits together from these OU websites but unless you know the operating principal, how and why it works, you have nothing but a very expensive paper weight. All of you have already been down this road haven't you?, all of you have failed to produce the desired effects haven't you?.

The operating principal is not in any patent, diagram nor in any description and as Ruslan implied you boys are barking up the wrong tree. Ruslan and others mention the critical timing and interaction of two electromagnetic wave fields yet everyone is building transformers. We know transformer action is not going to work yet everyone continues to build them. It's not a fucking transformer already it's an "electromagnetic wave energy field converter" and most all mutual induction or transformer action must be suppressed in the converter proper or it will not work... period. You would be better off building it how you think and then ripping it all apart and doing the complete opposite to what you think, your chances of success would probably increase by magnitudes. You boys are that far off the mark.

This is why Ruslan and most others just gave up on you guys because you talk like you have it all figured out you just can't build anything that actually works like he can. Real Justification is a solid operating principal to explain how and why it works and proof is a working device... the rest is just BS in my opinion. A solid operating principal which produces a gain is the first step not the last and without it you have nothing.



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 19, 2018, 08:15:22 AM
To go further on this big mysterious secret nobody can seem to understand.

If anyone had actually done their homework they would have discovered that almost every single successful FE inventor prior to 1950 was studying ground currents and the effects produced on telegraph wires near lightning strikes. Connect the dots boys. Then we could throw in a little Steven Marks... he said all you have to understand is all the effects relating to a single piece of wire and then he said try to produce the worst case scenario in a circuit. Well a HV lightning strike near a single very long wire like a telegraph line with capacitance and coils and spark gaps on each end sounds like a worst case scenario.

Many decades ago hundreds of inventors nailed this technology with cotton covered wires, wax sealant, mineral oil capacitors and some dry contact switches, commutators or spark gaps. So one could, within reason, ask what's your problem because it sounds like everyone is a rocket scientist here?. It's just that nobody can seem to build anything that works... brilliant, absolutely fucking brilliant. Then somewhere near the epicenter of that black hole of nothingness between his ears something let go, it just let go... cotton, omg yes cotton, it must be the secret to free energy.* facepalm*

Look at the expression on Kapanadze's face and the tone of his voice in his video's. This is not a wild eyed fast talking con man, this is a solemn, sober and intelligent man who has devoted decades of his life to unraveling Nikola Tesla's work unlike most of the trolls in these forums. The look on his face is sadness because everyone wants to fuck him over for profit and no matter how much information he tries to give people it falls on deaf ears. They say he can't build that, it can't work that way, it's all wrong, where does the energy come from, why this must be a violation of the conservation of energy, a perpetual motion machine thus he must be a fraud and this a hoax. Meanwhile, in reality, the critics have done nothing, accomplished nothing and yet they presume to judge... fuck the critics I say.

It would seem to be turtles all the way down in my opinion and yet there is always hope.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 19, 2018, 12:20:04 PM
To go further on this big mysterious secret nobody can seem to understand.

If anyone had actually done their homework they would have discovered that almost every single successful FE inventor prior to 1950 was studying ground currents and the effects produced on telegraph wires near lightning strikes. Connect the dots boys. Then we could throw in a little Steven Marks... he said all you have to understand is all the effects relating to a single piece of wire and then he said try to produce the worst case scenario in a circuit. Well a HV lightning strike near a single very long wire like a telegraph line with capacitance and coils and spark gaps on each end sounds like a worst case scenario.

Many decades ago hundreds of inventors nailed this technology with cotton covered wires, wax sealant, mineral oil capacitors and some dry contact switches, commutators or spark gaps. So one could, within reason, ask what's your problem because it sounds like everyone is a rocket scientist here?. It's just that nobody can seem to build anything that works... brilliant, absolutely fucking brilliant. Then somewhere near the epicenter of that black hole of nothingness between his ears something let go, it just let go... cotton, omg yes cotton, it must be the secret to free energy.* facepalm*

Look at the expression on Kapanadze's face and the tone of his voice in his video's. This is not a wild eyed fast talking con man, this is a solemn, sober and intelligent man who has devoted decades of his life to unraveling Nikola Tesla's work unlike most of the trolls in these forums. The look on his face is sadness because everyone wants to fuck him over for profit and no matter how much information he tries to give people it falls on deaf ears. They say he can't build that, it can't work that way, it's all wrong, where does the energy come from, why this must be a violation of the conservation of energy, a perpetual motion machine thus he must be a fraud and this a hoax. Meanwhile, in reality, the critics have done nothing, accomplished nothing and yet they presume to judge... fuck the critics I say.

It would seem to be turtles all the way down in my opinion and yet there is always hope.
Onepower  and notifacation to Wesley
every one on this thread is learning but where is your 'respect' for fellow reprobates ?

There is no call for direct confrontation with others. the answers are for finding
and I find you are accusing others of your own failings, we don't need this or to tolerate this
kind of angry abuse!

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 19, 2018, 01:34:44 PM
Onepower post is applicable as "the understanding of the principle of operation is still NOT proven in THEORY"... of KAPANADZE.. device... Wesley ...

Onepower has valid point as I still DO NOT understand how the bloody Kapanadze device still works in THEORY ...

I have built it and almost burned down my garage with high voltage.. I cannot and will NOT build another till the principle will be worked out as to the safety of such a unit.. as it is also a beta generator, I have proof.. The iron ferrite core sings a very high pitch oscillations like ultrasonic when it goes beta. .. So sorry as I am now suspecting this Kapagen, Kapanadze, Ruslan etc.

I like the post by Onepower and here is the US army crest in search of the "Truth" .. and some photos core of my Kapanadze beta core.. from long ago..

Acca..


in the clip below a ferrite core is in needed to operate the Kapanadze device..
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Sc9T4xH_o&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Sc9T4xH_o&feature=share)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNheB3ZJ1h4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNheB3ZJ1h4)
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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 19, 2018, 02:11:13 PM
Aliengrey
If the secret is already out there then why can nobody seem to build anything that works?. The secret is not out anywhere and what you have been given to date are incomplete patents, opinionated drafts and sketches and misleading information. The sketches and descriptions on Patrick Kelly's website are useless which Ruslan, Kapanadze and others can confirm. They are not even remotely close to what is required and they never mention the real working principal.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PAGE 80 http://free-energy-info.com/Smith.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?THE SHOWN NEON REGULATOR WONT WORK, RE EXPERIMENTS.

Therein lies your problem... you can throw some coils and circuits together from these OU websites but unless you know the operating principal, how and why it works, you have nothing but a very expensive paper weight. All of you have already been down this road haven't you?, all of you have failed to produce the desired effects haven't you?.

The operating principal is not in any patent, diagram nor in any description and as Ruslan implied you boys are barking up the wrong tree. Ruslan and others mention the critical timing and interaction of two electromagnetic wave fields yet everyone is building transformers. We know transformer action is not going to work yet everyone continues to build them. It's not a fucking transformer already it's an "electromagnetic wave energy field converter" and most all mutual induction or transformer action must be suppressed in the converter proper or it will not work... period. You would be better off building it how you think and then ripping it all apart and doing the complete opposite to what you think, your chances of success would probably increase by magnitudes. You boys are that far off the mark.

This is why Ruslan and most others just gave up on you guys because you talk like you have it all figured out you just can't build anything that actually works like he can. Real Justification is a solid operating principal to explain how and why it works and proof is a working device... the rest is just BS in my opinion. A solid operating principal which produces a gain is the first step not the last and without it you have nothing.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 19, 2018, 02:30:46 PM
Onepower post is applicable as "the understanding of the principle of operation is still NOT proven in THEORY"... of KAPANADZE.. device... Wesley ...

Onepower has valid point as I still DO NOT understand how the bloody Kapanadze device still works in THEORY ...

I have built it and almost burned down my garage with high voltage.. I cannot and will NOT build another till the principle will be worked out as to the safety of such a unit.. as it is also a beta generator, I have proof.. The iron ferrite core sings a very high pitch oscillations like ultrasonic when it goes beta. .. So sorry as I am now suspecting this Kapagen, Kapanadze, Ruslan etc.

I like the post by Onepower and here is the US army crest in search of the "Truth" .. and some photos core of my Kapanadze beta core.. from long ago..

Acca..


in the clip below a ferrite core is in needed to operate the Kapanadze device..
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Sc9T4xH_o&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Sc9T4xH_o&feature=share)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNheB3ZJ1h4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNheB3ZJ1h4)
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Acca
The Search for truth is one thing but ignoring it when its found is another,and why do we need an aggressive 'military force' to find Americas idea of what the truth should be? one needs to remember 'Police and Army are political and therefor manipulated by the 'corporate political control' secret agenda' financed by brain washed programed taxpayers.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 19, 2018, 02:33:01 PM
Thank you guys for your comments.
Tariel is not Noble  Man.
Tariel is not  years spend  to make it , but just years past while doing whatever  including his device.
Tariel is not another  Tesla and  he has nothing of Tesla's talent  in research.
However he has got that what was Tesla's dream.
AND HOW  he got it is another story.

Tariel  technology :
1. may not  originate  ( take it as politically correct  )
(or)
2. more likely is not originating
(and)
3. from his lab / if there was ever any lab, at any time, 


Tariel is not a bad man, Tariel is normal but  only( or mostly) to his "Georgian Home" Reality environment - Homesteading and Survival.
I hope  most of  you  will bother  to understand this phrase.

4.  I told you  a "story" loooooooooong time ago.
About few old  Russian scientists who met one "Georgian guy" and than they all disappeared after that. They been never again to be found anywhere.
"just  gone like that"
This information  I got from my Japanese friend scientist,  when  I got offer of  100 mill. for presentation  of Lithuania Experiment 
But because Arunas and I ,against Aidas , we decided that priority  to technology belongs to Tariel.
We gave him opportunity ,.... letting him  to  get all of it ...
We explained to  Japanese  that  Tariel has proven himself  having working technology that is more advanced  in its form , and he was first one all around with  his electrostatic concept
So Tariel  was to become ugly wealthy over night  just because of me and Arunas.
Japanese  where not investors and they have been  NOT INTERESTED IN PRODUCTION AND MARKETING.
They would make much more money , by  being  the first and the only one  authorized to  report it. ( and that was requested as a condition)
It was one of the biggest  networks and yes , till today  they  are the most respected  in the world by any possible statistic.
However determinants, governing individual moral conduct.  and social  cognitive adaptation of TARIEL DID NOT  FIT  Japanese  requirement   and expectation.
Tariel  was found not suitable for role of  "interactionist" . ( to say it straight).
His background along with his bio was checked and analyzed with  all Intel. .............and did not fit expectations of  traditional Japanese House of CEO of this entity (who was about to retire.)(And one of the wealthiest people in Japan)
Failure of TMZ / money distribution, along  with interaction with Westell.
Tariel public exposure  based on, (but not only)  his interaction with significant number of  certain females during Tariel's "TMZ good money time" was  found  questionable  by means of  the worldwide  general public standards.
Tariel's soberness was another problem. However according to Georgian reality of life  he was perfectly  "normal" ,, - Tariel did not differ much from  others out there. ,,
So I was  asked to represent Tariel.
Unfortunate was  that Tariel  in front of me and Japanese scientist send by CEO behaved below any possible level ..., or any imaginable  level of expectation,  being  completely drunk at the same time.
After that we become  very good friends  and he visited me many times not complaining that every visit requires spending  of around 6k .
Tariel was given one more chance to meet the deadline time set  for that event.
Yes he  responded 1 day after the deadline ,  strongly surprised, that his participation is no longer accepted, expected  nor  appreciated.

Wesley   


 



 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 19, 2018, 06:28:19 PM

During my first visit in Tariel house. I was excited. I believed that I'm about to change world history, world form,and possibly end all of military conflicts.
I thought  that I  will be able to convince Tariel to give it to the  world for free, and he  will  become wealthy  at the same time.


Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 19, 2018, 09:15:52 PM
Wesley
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He said that he does not believe in it and humanity  did not deserve as of yet  such technology.
but  at the same time he kept showing it  and collecting money for presentations.
This is of course his right yo do so . So I can not blame him for it.

Thank you for your insight into Kapanadze.
I find it strange that everyone seems so overly concerned with what a person looks like or their character. If a drunken crackhead living in a dumpster invented a working device ... is the device any less real?. Well no and yet everyone seems obsessed with imparting god like qualities to themselves and criticizing everyone else. To be clear, ultimately we are judged by reality and by what we do... period.

I have a similar story and when the assclowns with brief cases full of money arrived and wanted to be given everything on a silver platter I sabotaged any credibility they thought I had to ensure we never cross paths again. One could say this is self-destructive however the means justified this end and my soul is still intact. What you do not seem to understand is that we who know do not need them. I have no need for Nobel's that is absurd, fame and all the vile baggage and resentment that goes with it pfft, untold wealth to buy more useless shit to impress other people I don't even like, no I will pass. What these people do not seem to understand is they bring nothing of value to the table I need or want. To be honest I find it kind of comical watching all the money mongers running in circles howling at the moon because they can't buy what they want. It's not for sale... deal with it.

We are all just people, no more no less and we are not you any more than you are us. If you cannot accept us for who we are and be honest and open about it then you don't get to play. I find all this drama and self-importance kind of weird to be honest. It's just a machine... just a machine not unlike any other machine. Why everyone loses their shit and comes unhinged at the very mention of it is beyond me.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 19, 2018, 10:01:39 PM
Wesley
Thank you for your insight into Kapanadze.
I find it strange that everyone seems so overly concerned with what a person looks like or their character. If a drunken crackhead living in a dumpster invented a working device ... is the device any less real?. Well no and yet everyone seems obsessed with imparting god like qualities to themselves and criticizing everyone else. To be clear, ultimately we are judged by reality and by what we do... period.
Good point .I agree.
But you forgetting that Entity is not the person.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 19, 2018, 10:44:40 PM
Wesley
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It was not the case of looking like but looking  as required and  acting as expected.
That is how they could return their investment with profit.
And it was also  the wish of retiring CEO willing  to become  part of History  of world value and fulfill his own.

Therein lies the problem in my opinion. I was also expected to act as required... think about that?... act as required, as expected. As if to say you will act as I tell you to act because I also own you. No offense but that is basically the moment when I suggested they go fuck themselves. They can't afford me.

I find your comment about the CEO wanting to be a part of history familiar. It is strange isn't it?, a CEO who has done nothing of substance wanting to buy his way into the history books. To just sit on their ass in a three piece suit behind a desk manipulating people for profit and then just buy their way in. What is the going price nowadays?.

What I found is that we are all responsible adults in the room and all is well. Then... when the money boys don't get there way they get all red in the face and lose their shit like some 6 year old on a playground. It is fascinating to watch how a supposed adult can magically transform before your eyes. However we know they were never really credible were they?, there was that monster latent hidden under the surface who just came forth for all to see. You just have to know which buttons to push to see the real show... the real person.

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I think case you described is right but not applicable  mentioned by me above situation.

I apologize, I have a tendency to speak as if I am talking in the first person but imply a second or as a group from past experience. There are many middle men seeking inventors on the part of investors and I imagine there may be a handful who actually have something in the way of credibility and empathy.

In any case I have rambled on long enough, I'm going to take a break from the forums again... carry on with the show.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 20, 2018, 12:20:23 AM
My dear friend. Again you right.
However this is how the world   is made . We sale our-self all the time when wen we accept work or deal.

Wesley   
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 20, 2018, 02:06:19 AM
Wesley
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It is valid  as much as it this unfortunate.
Tariel has no buyer but he had an offerer  based on business rules. And he blow it.
You must be on time  at the train station and if you late just 1 second, there is someone else  inside  the train.
You are just double loser.( lost the money and lost the time.)
In many cases

There is another way and solutions are why we are here is it not?.

The system is rigged, based on dependency and the easiest path however that is not the only path. If we know the operating principal we can cherry pick any outdated FE patent from the books, start building working units and then sell them on ebay for profit. We are now the boss and no middle men or investors are required. You see expired patents fall within the public domain, we are the public thus it is fair game for everyone everywhere.

Think about it... we make money so we win and if others want to copy our working devices and sell them we still win. The perspective is of course dependent on our intent... are we in it to corner the market at others expense or expand it for the benefit of all. You see this solution always comes full circle on itself and produces the desired result no matter which way the current flows. In my opinion either it is a real solution and it produces the desired effect or it's BS, it is what it is.

This is what I do Wesley... I analyse problems and find workable solutions. Why would we torment ourselves by doing what everyone else has done in the past despite the fact we know it cannot work?. What I propose is the fundamental premise of all FE concepts, we change the rules to produce a different result... the one we want. Is this so hard to understand?.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: FixedSys on July 20, 2018, 02:33:17 AM
Is the current world "system" an institution worth protecting? Personally, I like John Lydon's interpretation; "The Shitstem" he calls it. Often things that are fundamentally flawed or corrupted cannot be fixed, they instead need to be deconstructed and then rebuilt with different inputs.

If I had all of the knowledge to produce this device, I would consider open sourcing the plans and broadcasting them pseudonymously, using Satoshi Nakamoto as a template. There would still be ways to profit if one so desired. One way might be to recognize and invest in the early commercialization, as perhaps the real Satoshi Nakamoto has.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 20, 2018, 04:44:08 AM
FixedSys
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If I had all of the knowledge to produce this device, I would consider open sourcing the plans and broadcasting them pseudonymously, using Satoshi Nakamoto as a template.

A better template would be to simply disclose the operating principal which would produce millions of new plans as well as the old patents already existing.

Do you know why nobody has disclosed the operating principal?, all the inventors have said it "it is so stupid simple even a child could understand it"... a child. Most people cannot even begin to wrap their mind around this concept of something right in front of us that we cannot see. It is like the concept of air in ancient times and nobody could understand what it was, this stuff all around them and then one person did and everyone said... wtf Air!.

There is no patent which could possibly protect the operating principal anymore than Faraday could protect "Induction" because it is self-evident, a scientific discovery, a fundamental part of nature not a new idea or invention. Now you know why everyone is so secretive and everyone in the know understands that once the operating principal is known the proverbial jig is up. Which is why I used Pandora's Box as an example and once it is out it is out and there is no going back.

When I finally saw it in action and understood what it meant do you know what my first reaction was?, it was not disbelief, it was not Eureka I nailed it, it was not omg or woo hoo it was... are you fucking kidding me. All these years and this is it?, this is embarrassing if anything because I thought I knew what I was doing but apparently not.

I say this for your benefit not mine, look closer, do the research, connect the dots.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 20, 2018, 05:06:58 AM
In 2008 Tariel patent  application was denied and revoked by means of  qualification.
His application was assigned/ thrown into to group of patents  that belongs to  Perpetual Motion Machines.
Independently  recreated and providing  the same or similar performance devices based on corresponding  and filed patent application,  after the filing date are eligible as the prove of Tariel's patent.
Ways to prove it are by scientific evaluation or by means of proven existence in the form it was filed.

To bypass   any possible delay I suggested to Tariel to give it to the public.
By means of  grandfathering Tariel is entitled to  the full rights to that patent at no time .

Even if anyone of us present the device  in the form described by
Tariels application than Tariel's lawyers  free of charge to Tariel  will strip humanity from being able to use it without Tariel's acceptance.
Even if his application was revoked he has rights to reopen it and  he will get patent.
All and any form of profit made by anyone till that  time must be recovered on benefit of Tariel.
Well in some countries law does not allow to work back in time.
In such case prove of Tariel concept will be provided  by number of devices replicated.
Tariel or his family after his death will become the wealthiest people on the surface of the  earth.
Along with Mr Turk   the patent attorney who signed the contract with Tariel  for 50%  of future income if Tariel's  patent  will be issued at any time in the future .
He did so and that is why Tariel  got patent application without any expenses of his own.


Hi Wesley. It appears someone was trying to seriously con Kapanadze, if this is what they told him.
The content of Kapanadze's patent applications were so far off from even the basics of what is required in
a patent application that Kapanadze might just as well have submitted blank pieces of paper as his patent applications.

Patent applications have to contain sufficient detail that the patent application should be able to be
used as plans 'for anyone sufficiently skilled in the art' to build a working prototype, if the patent is for
some kind of device. We all know/suspect that at least some people/corporations may very likely intentionally leave out
some important details, or may put in a few purposely incorrect details in their patent applications to try to mislead
any potential competitors from getting their full 'secrets', but they would have to do this very subtly, otherwise if the patent
examiner suspected this they could disqualify the patent application.

In the case of Kapanadze's 'patent applications', they contain such incredibly vague block diagrams and vague descriptions that
no one can tell at all just what exactly it is that Kapanadze was supposed to be patenting. Some very vague arrangement of coils and some
other very vague circuits are alluded to for who know what exact purpose or function. It was so incredibly vague that the patent examiner must
have assumed the patent applications from Kapanadze were some kind of joke. ;D They are worthless to Kapanadze, and would/will
not legally protect him or his cosigners even from someone coming out with a seeming nearly identical device as Kapanadze has shown.
If someone advised Kapanadze that those completely vague and therefore completely useless patent applications he submitted
would somehow protect his legal rights, then the people advising him were either completely incompetent or complete and utter crooks.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: FixedSys on July 20, 2018, 05:44:29 AM
A better template would be to simply disclose the operating principal which would produce millions of new plans as well as the old patents already existing.

I beg to differ. The blockchain concept was not taken seriously until the first implementation was built and disseminated. Why, because people generally don't believe concepts or theories, while very few if any, will actually believe them enough to put them to the test. If you broadcasted the concept; you could expect it to be written off as conspiracy theory or psuedoscience and see it fade into obscurity. Without actually witnessing or attestation from a critical mass of people they know and trust, people generally will not believe video evidence or anything of the sort.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on July 20, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
I feel that the system has been rigged at least since Tesla was working for Morgan and Westinghouse. When he started talking about wireless transfer of energy Morgan pulled his money out. Also I bet they realized that they have lotsa infrastructure in place and they make billions by pulling cable in the air across the country. It would all be scrapped if wireless transfer was possible.

I think the current electrical education system is lobbied and sponsored by the energy providers. They dictate what is in the books (and what is not) and they decide who gets research grants for research packages THEY provide. So you can't just say "I want to research free energy", because they will tell you that you get 150000$ to research improved mileage on a petrol engine. Then if you make the engine 8% more efficient they raise petrol price by 15%...

I still think the "answer" is very simple like everything in Nature. We need to think how come do not arrive at this answer? Limitless energy is there. Even scientists agree to this. Why would it be impossible to harness it then? I think the concept of Ether is just all the EM radiation that is more or less evenly spread in the universe. My take on this is that something was removed, hidden or just not talked about. It is not in any school books and it should be the ONLY thing in the school books. Voltage does not get the credit I think it needs. Frequency is said not to affect power. This is very peculiar to me. Like pull your nose once. Then pull your nose 35000 times per second. Do you still have a nose?

Something has been stripped from the knowledge passed onto us. That is why I am asking the stupid questions and trying my own ideas out. I do have a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, but I don't keep it on my wall or preach the UU gospel like some do.

It is obvious that the game is rigged if you just loo outside and compare what you see to the crap they print in books.

Free energy -> anti-gravity -> gtfo of Dodge and let the banks stay here with the illuminati

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 20, 2018, 01:40:38 PM
Belfor  can i ask your age ?  only you seam to be able to write stuff but not read it, only i have seen two or three
ways of creating very efficient energy saving secrets that have been disclosed in the past week alone.

It is not just yourself but others appear to suffer from the same problem, unless it's some one to produce a ready made device or kit your waiting for, witch just isn't going to happen, so get real and start reading and thinking out
side of the box. Then you can show Tinsel and the rest of us how it's actually done  snigger snigger!   
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Belfior on July 20, 2018, 02:40:34 PM
Belfor  can i ask your age ?  only you seam to be able to write stuff but not read it, only i have seen two or three
ways of creating very efficient energy saving secrets that have been disclosed in the past week alone.

It is not just yourself but others appear to suffer from the same problem, unless it's some one to produce a ready made device or kit your waiting for, witch just isn't going to happen, so get real and start reading and thinking out
side of the box. Then you can show Tinsel and the rest of us how it's actually done  snigger snigger!

I am 44 years old. I have not seen any energy saving secrets that actually work, but then again I only have time to read some threads and not every message posted on this web site.

I do read mostly books between 1880 and 1920. It seems there were many ideas and bench tested stuff that you cannot find in newer books. I am thinking outside the box every day and I try to write all my ideas down, so I might try them out later. If you learn your stuff in school from a guy who also learned all of it from books, you will not discover anything new. If the establishment (energy companies) is affecting the school books then you got zero chance of finding anything new or hidden. You really need to think outside the box to find anything new. Just lie on your back and look at the stars. Write everything down and later toss out everything that does not work.

Or there is the penicillin way and you will fall on to the discovery. Accidents also provided us with neodymium magnets and god knows what else?

My daughter is 11 months and I have maybe 2 hours a week to do some actual bench stuff, if I'm at home. During summer that means no bench time.

All the evidence is there to prove that the energy is also there. The answer will pop up eventually. The Egyptians had some pretty advanced knowledge (or the people before them) and they lifted stones bigger than we can lift now. So they knew something and did not require kacher circuits to use them.

When I find it I will give it to you. You say nobody will make a kit that you can just start using. Why you think that? Money does not make you happy. Greed is the only reason why don't have the secret out yet. That is not only sad, but might end this planet before we have means to fly to other planets&moons

Finding the secret might not even be the biggest problem. If you got limitless energy then everybody has it. Do we wan't everybody to have it? They will use it as a weapon.
World economy and people's jobs are in danger. Economy will survive and people too, because they always have. Airplanes, zeppelins, trains, cars, nuclear power, electricity and factories all changed the economy and some horse carriage makers lost their jobs.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 20, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
Here is my comment:
We have  bunch of new guys, posting here.
And I started to respond to.. it was not smart.

I was telling  that at some point  activity  of some trolls can be deleted along with  their accounts.
please keep it in mind
I try to be friendly
Wesley

hmm..
as i'm one of the new guys  i can asure you my last intend would be trolling this subject.
how ever for the most time i simply follow the topic .Over the years i found it more fruitfull to proof some ideas on the bench in
verry smal steps . A few ideas here are verry close to what i was abled to test. I'm not the forum hero anyway so to me it be ok both ways  deletedore not.

have fun  JoJo
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 20, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Belfior thank you for your reply, Iwas wondering if you were a senior citizen and needed some pointers ect hope thats ok any way I'm pretty sure some of the basic useful youtube video's are on this tread and another
you found your self are of The old scientist youtube tread, regarding the questions your asking.
However there is so much spam it's getting dificult to find relevant stuff of interest.

Some of them were published by Wesley and very interesting and useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWD0Wy_UOEA

and this one too from Tin man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGkKXD9ksQ
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 20, 2018, 07:50:36 PM
To explain the doubts .
Everyone is welcome.( excluding trolls and spamming )
You can have any possible opinion expressed (in the bracket of energy conversion)
As long as no one protests or attack each other .
However you are entitled to controversy and to attacks if there is no other way to say what you want to say.
But do it civilized way.
You have point than express it.
So I reacted  because there is complain.
I do not want to change this  discussion to moderated.
The major point is expectation you may have  from participation in this forum .

Wesley
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 20, 2018, 08:32:01 PM
Belfior -there is so much spam it's getting difficult to find relevant stuff of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGkKXD9ksQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGkKXD9ksQ)
I do thank you for that
Videos are Marvelous
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: lancaIV on July 20, 2018, 08:57:18 PM
Solarlab, it is not such easy  to get the comercial monopole right !Your claims has to become approved as " new technical standart" worldwide, up to this publication day never disclosed  as utility model,technical standart publication or habilitation work,worldwide !
Do the Dr." peers" really know all the worldwide themes/ publications of their faculty/faculta branch ?
If not this "pseudo-granted" work becomes " plagiat" !
"DOCTOR"-ation work is for " honor","patenting" work for financial profit! 

In " habilitations" and " technical patents" does not exist geo-political frontier !     
 One world,  no nations
Go to espacenet : myriads of FE-machines publications, often patent class H02K ~ perpetuum mobile
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 20, 2018, 10:24:36 PM
Quote from: Void on July 02, 2018, 06:01:45 AM (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg523213/#msg523213)
...in all the Kapanadze demos videos I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time).

and

Indeed; the very point I've been plugging! Its for this fact that I don't see how telluric currents can be the source of energy for Kapanadze's devices. The clues suggest that the earth ground is acting as a sink for the energy, not the source of the energy. I've yet to see a plausible suggestion as to a likely source of 'free' natural energy driving the Kapanadze devices.

https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=169 (https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=169)
Here you have explanation about two grounds in Kapanadze patent application.
Can you comment on it
Hoppy, Void  and others?


I said about two grounds system as principal requirement  for Tariel Kapanadze device to work
Who is right  and who is wrong.?

Wesley

PS: Text on the picture is taken from the same video ( at the end of video)
one of the grounds can be VIRTUAL.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 20, 2018, 10:50:32 PM
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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 20, 2018, 10:58:13 PM
2 ground "connections"  one connected just as simple gnd path .. the other with some mass off conduktive material (kopper etc)

i remember in some drawings from tesla and others there are similar methods..  how ever there are more variations to this
look up. and comment again please
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 20, 2018, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: Void on July 02, 2018, 06:01:45 AM (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg523213/#msg523213)
...in all the Kapanadze demos videos I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time).

and

https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=169 (https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=169)
Here you have explanation about two grounds in Kapanadze patent application.
Can you comment on it
Hoppy, Void  and others?


I said about two grounds system as principal requirement  for Tariel Kapanadze device to work
Who is right  and who is wrong.?

Wesley
The patent shows one ground symbol, so I cannot construe from the schematic that there are in fact two ground connections. As previously commented, I do not see two ground connections connected to the device at any point in the green box video. However, I am open to the strong possibility that there is a concealled wire which may be the second ground. Alternatively, any concealled wire could have been connected to an aeriel wire.
The video you posted does not in my opinion show that the increased charging rate of the capacitor is necessarily the result of energy drawn from the ground.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 20, 2018, 11:58:49 PM
The video you posted does not in my opinion show that the increased charging rate of the capacitor is necessarily the result of energy drawn from the ground.
Please look here
https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=629
and than
look  at the picture
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 21, 2018, 04:05:31 AM
Please look here
https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=629
and than
look  at the picture
Wesley


Hi Wesley. I have spent many many hours running all kinds of experiments along these lines
over quite a few years now, and from what I saw from the Old Scientist's experiments shown,
I did not see anything that I would say gave an indication of anything very unusual going on.
His exact experimental setup was not clear to me however, so without knowing his exact
setup I can't really comment further on it.

I was not suggesting that having two separate earth grounds is not a viable way to go when
trying to achieve COP > 1, as Frank Prentice used at least two separate earth grounds and
claimed to have measured a COP of around 6.  I was just saying I did not see indications
that Kapanadze uses more than one earth ground connection. I am attaching a couple of drawings
from Kapandze's patent applications. They seem to depict only one single earth ground connection,
which is consistent with what we have seen in Kapanadze's video demos over the years. 

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: esaya on July 21, 2018, 06:25:35 AM
what you see in the patents you can't see it on the demo video,
what you see in the video demo you can't see it in the patents.

the first video (tin can) and first the patent is the simplest, i think Ruslan has been succesfully conecting the dot.Ruslan last  video (16 watt) look very similar to Kapanadze tin can video.
similar material, inverter 12 v dc to 220v ac,power suply 220v ac to 12 v dc ,coil wound look similar.


Ruslan : DO NOT PURSUE THE POWER (get the 220v ac from inverter?),TESLA CURRENT (with controlled Tesla),GROUND FROM EARTH

So guys! I'll tell you all easier. If you want something to collect, do not pursue the " POWER ". So the pumping is simple without resonance. Tupa is a magnetic alternating field! Next ... Position the coils so that one coil with its own field does not stack with the other. That is, the shift must be done. Otherwise OLED will interfere! Now we remember Tesla and when we bring to her a sheet connected through a light bulb to the ground ... What do we observe? The answer is correct! Light bulb shine :) This current you need! Now, by inducing this all on your reel, the end of which is grounded ... You make the magnetic field longitudinal (pushing) and transverse, creating a flow of motion! I told you that the generator of BTG works like a normal generator. Hence Tesla pushes the current, or in other words, pushes or carries the magnetic field away from the pump by a longitudinal field. There is no OEDF! Nothing hinders and there is no resistance either! How are we in the classics? Currents on the sides of the coil?! Here! Boca then do not match :)
 And now make a controlled Tesla! That is, interrupt the pushing of the current at a frequency below the pump. This is the current flow! Well guess what, finally, damn ....
 How much can you say that?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 21, 2018, 10:05:21 AM
Wesley,

Like the green box device, the Aqua 2 device appears to power a heavy load with a single ground wire so how does the dual physical ground wire theory add up to what we see in any of Kapanadze's videos?

If these devices are genuine, then the principle is very likely very simple as Kapanadze claims. The biggest clue in my opinion is that Kapanadze avoids running these devices in stormy weather, which suggests that there is a concealled connection to an aeriel wire, assuming the devices are not faked. I'm trying hard to join the dots.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 21, 2018, 11:04:54 AM
Wesley,

Like the green box device, the Aqua 2 device appears to power a heavy load with a single ground wire so how does the dual physical ground wire theory add up to what we see in any of Kapanadze's videos?

If these devices are genuine, then the principle is very likely very simple as Kapanadze claims. The biggest clue in my opinion is that Kapanadze avoids running these devices in stormy weather, which suggests that there is a concealled connection to an aeriel wire, assuming the devices are not faked. I'm trying hard to join the dots.
Hoppy the answer to your question is easy ! answer you haven't done your home work with watching the old scientist video's !
the single earth is a mono polar Tesla coil, Also do you remember some 2 years ago Nelson talking about the very same coil
wasting energy? you can also make a coil with out the harmonics. My advice to you is watch them while you can they are saying (catch us if you can) sounds like a pop group from the 60s  ;D

P S two earths or none is a bipolar! reminds me of my psychology OU coarse I did,  :o You say he doesn't run the device in a thunderstorm  ;D :D a very verrrrrry wise man, surely you can work that out for your self!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 21, 2018, 11:28:58 AM
Hoppy the answer to your question is easy ! answer you haven't done your home work with watching the old scientist video's !
the single earth is a mono polar Tesla coil, Also do you remember some 2 years ago Nelson talking about the very same coil
wasting energy? you can also make a coil with out the harmonics. My advice to you is watch them while you can they are saying (catch us if you can) sounds like a pop group from the 60s  ;D

P S two earths or none is a bipolar! reminds me of my psychology OU coarse I did,  :o You say he doesn't run the device in a thunderstorm  ;D :D a very verrrrrry wise man, surely you can work that out for your self!  ;D ;D ;D
Hi Alien,
I've watched most of his videos but cannot recall where he has demonstrated operation without a conventional power supply in a self-running mode. You continually write as if you have the 'knowledge' and proven the operating principle of the Kapanadze devices, by self-running your own device(s). Can you show any evidence of your achievement? As you are well aware there are many that can talk the talk.... ;)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 21, 2018, 12:53:27 PM
Hi Alien,
I've watched most of his videos but cannot recall where he has demonstrated operation without a conventional power supply in a self-running mode. You continually write as if you have the 'knowledge' and proven the operating principle of the Kapanadze devices, by self-running your own device(s). Can you show any evidence of your achievement? As you are well aware there are many that can talk the talk.... ;)
Hoppy no I can't and I don't have the test equipment to develop such a device, did you notice the HF SG the Ols Sci was using
I only have a 5 MHZ device to get any where you need a 100mhz device with PW  impulse drive.

Where are you perhaps we could pull resources ?  you talk about the green box that device would be one of the easiest to play with and perhaps get going to prove one way or the other.

On the other hand tin mans device does prove the point quite well.

Ove course you could wind a Tesla coil 1Mtr long and work out the wire length for 100khz and tune it to that frequency to prove the point and then use a ferrox core transformer to collect it all. but the trick is done around the Tesla coil.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 21, 2018, 01:08:03 PM
Hoppy no I can't and I don't have the test equipment to develop such a device, did you notice the HF SG the Ols Sci was using
I only have a 5 MHZ device to get any where you need a 100mhz device with PW  impulse drive.

Where are you perhaps we could pull resources ?  you talk about the green box that device would be one of the easiest to play with and perhaps get going to prove one way or the other.

On the other hand tin mans device does prove the point quite well.

AG
Do really think that Kapanadze is using a 100Mhz device with PW impulse drive??  ??? What point do you think Tinman's device proves?
Without some reliable info on what is in the green box, pulling resources without some 'inside info', would be rather pointless in my opinion.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 21, 2018, 01:17:21 PM
Do really think that Kapanadze is using a 100Mhz device with PW impulse drive??  ??? What point do you think Tinman's device proves?
well the spark gap will send harmonics into the Ghz range ! and the green box coil has a 1/8 wave on that top copper tube
thats got to be at least 10 to 20 mhz, (that's how it works) ( but let's suppose he tiunes one of the layers 0.5uh with 47nf cap it's res would still be in the 2mh range and if you were buying a SG would you bother buying a SG with a top range
less than 100 to 300 Mz ? I wouldn't.

Your asking me stuff that's been on this tread in the last few pages, I wouldn't mind so much if you had read it! and knew how stuff
worked or supposedly is reported to work.

OK here is a test for you what significant difference  would adding an earth to a mono pole Tesla coil make ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 21, 2018, 02:09:33 PM

Your asking me stuff that's been on this tread in the last few pages, I wouldn't mind so much if you had read it! and knew how stuff
worked or supposedly is reported to work.

That's the problem. There have been many opinions on how Kapanadze's devices work and I don't know or even begin to understand how that stuff is capable of running heavy loads direct from the environment using Tesla coils and the like without the help of a conventional power supply. Do you??

By the way, Im not here to sit in your or anyone elses classroom under test conditions!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 21, 2018, 04:51:36 PM
Well...I think Kapanadze device works similar to Steven Mark, the principle seems the same but the realization is much safer because of many obstacles it cannot run-away except for a slight 1-2 seconds delay after disconnecting the power source.  :P  So I guess he is using the same method as Henry Moray - storing energy in capacitor and using kind of LC circuit where capacitor  is gradually charged by radiant energy instead of power source. Of course the power output is diminished by a large factor also....
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 22, 2018, 12:25:35 AM
Well...I think Kapanadze device works similar to Steven Mark, the principle seems the same but the realization is much safer because of many obstacles it cannot run-away except for a slight 1-2 seconds delay after disconnecting the power source.  :P  So I guess he is using the same method as Henry Moray - storing energy in capacitor and using kind of LC circuit where capacitor  is gradually charged by radiant energy instead of power source. Of course the power output is diminished by a large factor also....

Forest,

Right it is ( as i believe) based all on the same fundamentals.

For the power part as you say the radiant energy is stored in a cap......., let me say it this way..... and i hope we get it more clear in possible explanations and facts.

Lets start simple,....i like that...
When you puls a coil...  EMF is generated which is coming from the stored energy in the coil.
I would say this energy comes from the radiant energy present in the surrounding of this coil.
With 12V/  0.2A pulsing a coil, i can charge a cap with 1000V,... needing a number of puls chargings.... so maybe this energy needs to be higher in the coils surrounding?


The HV from the kacher or from a separate source ..... is increasing the EMF charging.... or not?
With result that less pulses are needed to charge the same cap to 1000V.
So is this the deal we are trying to accomplish?


in my opinion there is no difference either we are talking about Kapanadze or other related setups..... they all use HV as a energy source and do create a sharp puls to activate a EMF proces in the "output" coil.
The only problem we have is that we can't get it working or maybe in  small way

So this mechanisme needs to be better in place....  the way how this has to be done in order to get significant EMF is still one of the secret.

There are some relations or combinations in the setup which could be critical for this mayor effect;

1- Timing of the puls/ SG is not the missing link,...  many of us have made lots of pulsing boards/ electronics in order to shift this puls.
2- Frequenty relation HV and resonance of the output coil,....is also something most of us has achieved in there testsetup.... but no significant effect yet...
3- Combination of (1) and (2)... Also here i would assume it is a logical next step after having the setup on the bench...... many of us have tried..
4-  Particular output coil/ grenade configuration,.... here could be some secrets being hidden,....  altough the configurations available on the internet could be false..  so this could lead to a dead end on the bench.
5-  (4) could become a endless story if it is realy critical,...  we don t know which criteria yet'is used............ so (1), (2) and (4) hitting the jackpot has a low change
6- Output coil/ grenade wirelength versus (2) seems likely Short wave radio thechnique,..  this is also something what likes to be difficult and not easy to achieve..
This shortwave approach also implicates the whole setup and all its coils,....which is very critical... and thus again difficult to combine with (4) and/ or (2) etc.


Looking at Geo 's results....  maybe he has accomplished one of mentioned combination?  Would be good to know if Geo tried a different modified grenade also and see if he gets same results?
At least to see if it is to determind what is related of the mentioned items.

Greetings

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 22, 2018, 01:49:21 AM
Apcore  some how I'm not so sure it's the grenate, lets look at the green box. Any one played with that ?

pay attention to wire length to keep in resonance notice width of gap use SG and scope to tune first layer
with tune cap for max amplitude at around 500khz - 200khz

let us know how any one gets on.

winding coil a few pages back will do for playing with testing.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 22, 2018, 06:19:32 AM
I wrote this befor  but ok let's try again.

kapadnaze as well as others made a great deal about  groundig in almost all demos they had a relativly new groundpoint.
bury a car radiator and what not .

ask your self how would you improvise a god ground ?

bury a car radiator ore driving an long copper ore zinked steel rod outside in the ground ? looking for a spot where you have moist earth? yes all fine .. they did this.

what else you need ?
a suficiente wire diameter at least 6mm diameter ore more and best be fine multistrandet . kepp the wire as short as you can

what did they? .. the ground point was allways like 10meters away from the demo unit away often the wire was way longer ... and they always used cable that looks like they stole it from grandma's old vakuumcleaner.

have fun
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 22, 2018, 09:25:42 AM
I wrote this befor  but ok let's try again.

kapadnaze as well as others made a great deal about  groundig in almost all demos they had a relativly new groundpoint.
bury a car radiator and what not .

ask your self how would you improvise a god ground ?

bury a car radiator ore driving an long copper ore zinked steel rod outside in the ground ? looking for a spot where you have moist earth? yes all fine .. they did this.

what else you need ?
a suficiente wire diameter at least 6mm diameter ore more and best be fine multistrandet . kepp the wire as short as you can

what did they? .. the ground point was allways like 10meters away from the demo unit away often the wire was way longer ... and they always used cable that looks like they stole it from grandma's old vakuumcleaner.

have fun
I would like a few of those old vacuum cleaners for the cable! You were looking at some quality cable in the video!

More to the point, what do you think we need to replicate the green box, other than the box?

I don't get the impression from the green box build and layout that the ground wire lengths are critical but as Alien points out the SG tuning to include a given ground wire length may be.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 22, 2018, 09:26:30 AM
I wrote this befor  but ok let's try again.

kapadnaze as well as others made a great deal about  groundig in almost all demos they had a relativly new groundpoint.
bury a car radiator and what not .

ask your self how would you improvise a god ground ?

bury a car radiator ore driving an long copper ore zincked steel rod outside in the ground ? looking for a spot where you have moist earth? yes all fine .. they did this.

what else you need ?
a sufficient wire diameter at least 6mm diameter ore more and best be fine multi-stranded . keep the wire as short as you can

what did they? .. the ground point was always like 10meters away from the demo unit away often the wire was way longer ... and they always used cable that looks like they stole it from grandma's old vacuum cleaner.

have fun
Isn't the wire length part of the wave length !n meters ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 22, 2018, 09:41:15 AM
because JUST AS I SAID (IF ALL OF THIS KAPANADZE BUSINESSES IS EVEN REAL) you need A LOT OF conducting space for a an auto self resonant tunning circuit, if  all of the wire line is used then earth would do the rest , however you also need inductance  so big tricky coils are needed as well, can someone post here an example of auto self tunning resonance circuit??? yup, coilcapacitors stuff.T

Tariel Kapanadze: »I have simply found a method, which automatically adjusts a resonance between primary and secondary coils"

auto resonance is not a free energy factory but one of the elements important to get there.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 22, 2018, 10:01:16 AM
Auto self-tuning resonant circuit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPvdN75dl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFP6c7lwyoE
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 22, 2018, 02:03:02 PM
Auto self-tuning resonant circuit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPvdN75dl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFP6c7lwyoE
Tinsel Hi can you tell me what label the scmitt-trigger inverter chip is please and what
iC2A and IC2B actually do and connect as IC2C looks as if it would control the width. It might be
of interest that a 4093 would be easyer to get hold of in the junk box and common the 2 inuts or
just common one input to +ve line.

Also some guys might find your circuit useful for driving a Tesla coil under Test if a diode is added
between the MosFet and coil and a voltage limiter between MosFet and drain and ground.

Some kind of current limit feedback might be useful under fault conditions.

Many thanks  ;D

PS Patric Kelly conference on alternative FE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WXMZKqBP90
AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 23, 2018, 01:50:51 AM
Information  about FE device based on real example of it is available AS I PROMISED TO YOU.
I'm working on  real data .
I will start from one source first
The second source  independent from the first one and not related to the first one , is not yet  going to be discussed.
It is a lot of work and not only that.
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 23, 2018, 07:45:22 AM
Tinsel Hi can you tell me what label the scmitt-trigger inverter chip is please and what
iC2A and IC2B actually do and connect as IC2C looks as if it would control the width. It might be
of interest that a 4093 would be easyer to get hold of in the junk box and common the 2 inuts or
just common one input to +ve line.

Also some guys might find your circuit useful for driving a Tesla coil under Test if a diode is added
between the MosFet and coil and a voltage limiter between MosFet and drain and ground.

Some kind of current limit feedback might be useful under fault conditions.

Many thanks  ;D

PS Patric Kelly conference on alternative FE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WXMZKqBP90 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WXMZKqBP90)
AG
You must be talking about a different circuit than what I showed in those two video clips. The autoresonating circuit of TKoil X is very simple.

If you are talking about some of the other circuits others have listed above, I can explain the purpose of the chips if you specify exactly which diagram you mean.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 23, 2018, 08:30:58 AM
Information  about FE device based on real example of it is available AS I PROMISED TO YOU.
I'm working on  real data .
I will start from one source first
The second source  independent from the first one and not related to the first one , is not yet  going to be discussed.
It is a lot of work and not only that.
Wesley
Thanks for that Wesley. Its about time some reliable info was published, especially for those, like me, still stuck in the box.  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 23, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
You must be talking about a different circuit than what I showed in those two video clips. The autoresonating circuit of TKoil X is very simple.

If you are talking about some of the other circuits others have listed above, I can explain the purpose of the chips if you specify exactly which diagram you mean.
Err um  This one! if you could

many thanks
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 23, 2018, 10:57:06 AM
The CD4046 is configured as a voltage-controlled oscillator. The potentiometer P1 controls the voltage input to Pin 9 of this VCO and thus controls its frequency. The oscillator produces an approximately square pulse train, coming out at Pin 4. The components surrounding the Schmitt trigger inverter stage IC2C, comprising the pot P2 and the cap and resistors, form a pulse-shortening network that transforms the more or less squareish output of the VCO into shorter pulses whose width is controlled by P2. The output of the pulse shortener is fed to the TC4420 mosfet driver chip (which also has Schmitt trigger input) which then drives the mosfet's Gate. The mosfet is in a low-side switch arrangement, switching current from the +12 volt supply rail through the transformer primary TR1. Two more stages of the IC2 are used to inhibit or disinhibit the VCO, depending on which of the two gates is getting a +12 volt input or is grounded out. This section could be connected to another oscillator to provide chopping or pulsing of the main VCO signal.
The Schmitt trigger inverter (IC2) could be any of a number of different part numbers. Generally there are 6 gates per chip, so in this circuit 3 are unused. It is good practice to tie the inputs of unused gates to ground or Vcc.

What you are showing is known as the Les Banki Nano-Pulser. The circuit I used in the exact video where you saw it is a variation on this circuit. This is not an auto-resonant circuit as it stands but could be "transformed" into one (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 23, 2018, 01:13:43 PM
I would like a few of those old vacuum cleaners for the cable! You were looking at some quality cable in the video!
I'm using 4mil to experiment I used 1/4 wave lemgth but 1/2 wave was much better but some 6mi multi strand like welding cable when it's working
I don't get the impression from the green box build and layout that the ground wire lengths are critical but as Alien points out the SG tuning to include a given ground wire length may be.
I think you might find it is!
I would like a few of those old vacuum cleaners for the cable! You were looking at some quality cable in the video!
More to the point, what do you think we need to replicate the green box, other than the box?
A HV PSU tuned to the selected low end frequency. (don't get too complacent or you end up with leaks in the system).
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 23, 2018, 01:42:34 PM
The CD4046 is configured as a voltage-controlled oscillator. The potentiometer P1 controls the voltage input to Pin 9 of this VCO

What you are showing is known as the Les Banki Nano-Pulser. The circuit I used in the exact video where you saw it is a variation on this circuit. This is not an auto-resonant circuit as it stands but could be "transformed" into one (no pun intended).
Hi sorry to be a pain, but have you a link to the Banki reference please ?

Also i note http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.msg49522#msg49522
your notes on the nano pulse PSU any chance of any information on that item and or pointers please.

Regards AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 24, 2018, 04:47:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pE83oajjoo&feature=youtu.be
This is first video
Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 24, 2018, 06:09:54 AM
Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pE83oajjoo&feature=youtu.be
This is first video

Thx Wesley

Soo its time to dust off my granade coils and kachers? because I gave up on this and lost all hope.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 24, 2018, 07:15:05 AM


Don't give up hope, not entirely!  Just give up hope in the idea that extraordinary and unexpected results (free energy and other assorted anomalies) come from conventional physics, because it doesn't, the successful devices are hybrids, electromagnetic and aetheric.


it's the reason replications almost never work!


So, I want to make an offer to everyone there who is or wants to be an active experimenter, who isn't impossibly closed minded...




I began studying this field in the early 90's, I tried looking for correlations in the claims of Free Energy and Antigravity, something that would make sense, but I found no correlations on a conventional level, but as I did this study I could not help but see a correlation I had actually been hostile to, the idea of an aether!  Alas, how do you know if there is an aether or how to effect it?
It took me 17 years before I figured out how to do that when I made a coil that issued a tangible energy, but once I could feel the energy I was away!




I found that MOST people could feel the energy from such a coil, but the energy could not be described by convention.




Anyway, it has been going on another 7 years of studying the aether, and I have learnt a LOT.
Because unpowered circuits are easier and cheaper and safer and the energy feels nicer, I have really not done experiments that con demo Free Energy.




And if I achieved Free Energy, I would not share it here!  It simply is not a lively enough forum anymore, and I would want to push it out fast to stop suppression.




But I am willing to show you guys the fruits of 24 years of travelling the road less traveled...
About 90% of people overall (age and profession seem to make some difference) can feel this energy.




I now have this technology to the point where it is easy to implement techniques I have discovered, and indeed you can spend about 5 minutes or less making some of this stuff, it does not take a big investment in time to see if you are sensitive, and you can use the techniques if you are sensitive or not, and aetheric principles do not need to interfere with the conventional, even if I was wrong or spouting nonsense, many/most of them are irrelevant at a conventional level.




So there is my offer, it would be great if they helps people experiment more successfully.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 24, 2018, 08:00:07 AM
Hi aether22

read about your coil, can you make a picture how to wind this?

Right now I'm working on Hendershot device (or at least its quite similar to hendershot's device), the motor, not the over complicated solid state version, and so far its looking promising because its energy from earth rotation coming trough magnetic field, third newton's law, but the tricky part is to use vibrations as output (caused by earth mag field due to the interactions with applied external magnetic fields) coming from this this kind of induction motor.

Waiting for more info on ruslan device, because solid state devices are much more convenient ... 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 24, 2018, 09:06:25 AM
thank you wesley for your work.

god to know that i was not so far away about the length of the groundwire.

at least it match some results of the benchwork i did lately.

have fun JoJo
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 24, 2018, 09:40:16 AM
Hi aether22

read about your coil, can you make a picture how to wind this?

Right now I'm working on Hendershot device (or at least its quite similar to hendershot's device), the motor, not the over complicated solid state version, and so far its looking promising because its energy from earth rotation coming trough magnetic field, third newton's law, but the tricky part is to use vibrations as output (caused by earth mag field due to the interactions with applied external magnetic fields) coming from this this kind of induction motor.

Waiting for more info on ruslan device, because solid state devices are much more convenient ...


I have made a picture and posted in the aetheric inductor thread.


Can you show me the info on Hendershot's motor (I have seen little on it) as I might be able to suggest some things, when it comes to his solid state version I can identify a lot going on aetherically, including his reason for using 57 dowels...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 24, 2018, 10:22:04 AM
Sergey Panov channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUVybUtIdAo
Don't watch it unless you want to see spoilers in russian, next episode of wesley's news is coming soon!

aether22 Thanks for pictures, now i can see things better.

In case of Hendershot, I dont see any aether stuff, just a tricky yet consistent with electromagnetic theory method of extracting/converting energy from "slowly rotating big ball" and its weak magnetic field to "fast rotating small ball" with strong magnetic field, something like a transformer or a two small-big gear system analogy. It could work because of two factors; the fact that electromagnetism is relativistic and difference between true-geographic north and magnetic north (because of this earth mag field is rotating with earth, in faraday disk its not). Device needs tuning, very specific angles of magnetic field's are needed to make this work ( hendershot compass) and finally when earth mag field answers, the answer is in form of HF vibrating earth magnetic field, for that honeycomb coil is the best, its HF coil that can pick up wide spectrum of frequencies.Its not easy for me to explain this due to language barrier however right now I'm building a "proof of concept" a simulation where my earth is a weak slow magnet interacting with other things, I want to simulate the effect first to see if my theory is correct.They key is hendershot compass that I had replicated (I think i did), looking at hendershot solid state device wont tell you much however the magnet is there.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 24, 2018, 10:40:00 AM
Wesley,

Thanks for your part 1 video. One observation about the ground wire length being a critical factor. When Kapanadze swapped over from the radiator to the water pipe ground in the green box video, the length was very much shorter and yet the device still functioned to light the lamps. Maybe Kapanadze's comment about his device having auto resonant tuning accounted for this.
There was no info about loop-back in the Ruslan circuit explanatory. I see this as a critical element to understand as it would surely affect front-end tuning, so should the loop-back be in place prior to tuning??
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 24, 2018, 11:18:56 AM
Wesley,

Thanks for your part 1 video. One observation about the ground wire length being a critical factor. When Kapanadze swapped over from the radiator to the water pipe ground in the green box video, the length was very much shorter and yet the device still functioned to light the lamps. Maybe Kapanadze's comment about his device having auto resonant tuning accounted for this.
There was no info about loop-back in the Ruslan circuit explanatory. I see this as a critical element to understand as it would surely affect front-end tuning, so should the loop-back be in place prior to tuning??

First we should build the core device and see if we have some OU, even small OU would do, if the device is really outputting OU then it could melt when self looped OR perhaps not... if amount of energy grows to much then the device goes out of resonance for a while... free energy stops flowing, things cool down and after that back again to resonance and OU territory.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 24, 2018, 11:34:18 AM
In case of Hendershot, I dont see any aether stuff, just a tricky yet consistent with electromagnetic theory method of extracting/converting energy from "slowly rotating big ball" and its weak magnetic field to "fast rotating small ball" with strong magnetic field, something like a transformer or a two small-big gear system analogy. It could work because of two factors; the fact that electromagnetism is relativistic and difference between true-geographic north and magnetic north (because of this earth mag field is rotating with earth, in faraday disk its not). Device needs tuning, very specific angles of magnetic field's are needed to make this work ( hendershot compass) and finally when earth mag field answers, the answer is in form of HF vibrating earth magnetic field, for that honeycomb coil is the best, its HF coil that can pick up wide spectrum of frequencies.Its not easy for me to explain this due to language barrier however right now I'm building a "proof of concept" a simulation where my earth is a weak slow magnet interacting with other things, I want to simulate the effect first to see if my theory is correct.They key is hendershot compass that I had replicated (I think i did), looking at hendershot solid state device wont tell you much however the magnet is there.


Personally I do not believe that what you describe makes sense or is possible, but I am not knocking what you are doing, I just don't see it, the earth rotates with it's magnetic field and IMO it cannot be tapped as you suggest, at the same time i do not expect I can convince you of that.


I can however see a lot going on that I have discovered that Hendershot lines up with, a lot of aetheric principles, at least 7 things without looking too hard.


But it does not hurt to incorporate my idea whatever you might believe, most are electrically neutral.


That is not to say I don't believe the earth magnetic field plays no part, I think it does, just not as a means of energy generation.
If you show me what you are looking to do I can give you pointers, things you could try.


At any rate, there is not chance that most devices have a "conventional" explanation as they show signs of aetheric energy, current that does not shock, different colour of illumination, arcing at low voltage, thermal and magnetic anomalies and other weird stuff.  indeed, I am not sure this does not apply to Hendershot as well, but it applies to many devices.  indeed a number of Free Energy devices have Antigravity as a side effect.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 24, 2018, 01:34:29 PM
Quote
Personally I do not believe that what you describe makes sense or is possible, but I am not knocking what you are doing, I just don't see it, the earth rotates with it's magnetic field and IMO it cannot be tapped as you suggest, at the same time i do not expect I can convince you of that.


I can however see a lot going on that I have discovered that Hendershot lines up with, a lot of aetheric principles, at least 7 things without looking too hard.


But it does not hurt to incorporate my idea whatever you might believe, most are electrically neutral.


That is not to say I don't believe the earth magnetic field plays no part, I think it does, just not as a means of energy generation.
If you show me what you are looking to do I can give you pointers, things you could try.


At any rate, there is not chance that most devices have a "conventional" explanation as they show signs of aetheric energy, current that does not shock, different colour of illumination, arcing at low voltage, thermal and magnetic anomalies and other weird stuff.  indeed, I am not sure this does not apply to Hendershot as well, but it applies to many devices.  indeed a number of Free Energy devices have Antigravity as a side effect.
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I'm not sure if my theory is correct, but i will try and see what would happened, there should be "something" because of third newton law (does third newton law works for magnetic fields too?) but what and how many I don't know. I just don't want to humiliate myself because this could be some stupid BS and lack of physics knowledge on me side lol. plus the language barrier so I will explain more and make some diagrams or even crude animation if I got the good results. The core idea is to push against earth mag field in some tricky way.

Anyways, the eather stuff could be related to magnetic fields, the bigger/wider the field the better, like in your transformer idea, so you could be right, once i made all sort of coil configurations and there were effects that i could not understand like primary bifilar canceling magnetic field coil(non inductive) that lights LED's on normal winded secondary while 0 current or voltage is shown on meter, some say that its capacitance effects but I'm not sure... same goes for coil made out of coil (wind coil on a thick insulated wire, this wire serves as core and then twist/wind this core on plastic pipe), in some cases i could power many leds with 0 currents on multimeter, yet cant charge capacitors with this, funny stuff.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 24, 2018, 01:55:49 PM
once i made all sort of coil configurations and there were effects that i could not understand like primary bifilar canceling magnetic field coil(non inductive) that lights LED's on normal winded secondary while 0 current or voltage is shown on meter, some say that its capacitance effects but I'm not sure... same goes for coil made out of coil (wind coil on a thick insulated wire, this wire serves as core and then twist/wind this core on plastic pipe), in some cases i could power many leds with 0 currents on multimeter, yet cant charge capacitors with this, funny stuff.


Funny, you just mentioned 2 major aether hacking methods...


So, the bifilar coil many have observed creates a beam out the center.  By many people entierly independent of my efforts!
I have heard people talk about this!

What I have discovered, and really the outer coil in my inductor could be replaced with self cancelling bifilar, either totally cancelled or mostly...


What occurs is that if you induce aetheric energy (there is aetheric energy induced in electromagnetic induction, but normally not enough)  in 2 opposite directions, the opposing flows create collisions, and this creates aetheric turbulence, and this creates pressure...


And this pressure squeezes and focus energy inside the bifilar coil, and if there is another coil inside of that it can gain a lot of aetheric energy, the more you create density on the center of the coil the more the center radiates energy back out, this is because you raised the pressure of the aether so all activity disturbs a thicker more lively aether.
But, the short version is that it makes aetheric energy increase in the center.


Actually ideally a spark gap, or something highly energetic could be in the center...  Maybe a magnet, or a capacitor.  But something, maybe a resistor or light bulb.


However I suggested separate coils because while the EMF and aetheric EMF (yes, there is an aetheric analog of everything) in these coils will still work, it also creates a magnetic N pole in the center, and I have found this kind of thing can create aetheric magnetic monopoles!!  Not sure regular ones exist, but they exist aetherically!


Ok, now about the coil made of a coil...


So the first coil that I felt energy from after 17 years was a coil made of wire that was coiled around a central wire.
I could feel this coil issue and energy, even after it was disconnected the energy would persist, then I found if I made it asymmetric it would work without being connected to anything electrical, it just needs needs some bias.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 24, 2018, 07:29:14 PM
Wesley hi there and thanks for the video i combed for info 3 times.
When is the next installment,  but no rush, and many thanks  ;D.

AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 24, 2018, 08:43:38 PM
Great video all the best to you from Poland..


Acca.


Wroclaw ...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: iflewmyown on July 24, 2018, 08:44:44 PM
Yes, Thanks Wesley, at last a light at the end of the tunnel. I first started working on free energy when I was 14, now it is 53 years later. I don't have much time left...
Garry
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 24, 2018, 10:02:53 PM
Yes, Thanks Wesley, at last a light at the end of the tunnel. I first started working on free energy when I was 14, now it is 53 years later. I don't have much time left...
Garry
I think you will find it's about environmental back ground static charge of electricity a way to attract it and collect it! Like a static multiplier and collection plate aerial.
AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 24, 2018, 10:24:43 PM
I think you will find it's about environmental back ground static charge of electricity a way to attract it and collect it! Like a static multiplier and collection plate aerial.
AG
Maybe like the aeriel washing line in the green box video connected to something at the roadway end.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 25, 2018, 01:55:32 AM
Yes, Thanks Wesley, at last a light at the end of the tunnel. I first started working on free energy when I was 14, now it is 53 years later. I don't have much time left...
Garry


Have you considered that these Free Energy devices create anomolies such as cold current...
Non-shocking current...
Spontaneously charging things...
Arcing at low voltages
Incandescent bulbs glowing off colour
Sometimes demonstration of anti-gravity...
Sometimes low voltage DC completes in open circuit...
Sometimes materials becomes changed...
Sometimes energy fields manifest around these devices...


Have you considered that if something very different is happening from what conventional electromagnetism predicts, maybe it isn't conventional electromagnetism?


Have you considered maybe it's not a coincidence so many devices have a circular nature...


Have you considered that maybe Tesla was right...  Maybe Wilhelm Reich was right...  Maybe Konstantin Meyl was right...
Maybe Moray was right...  Maybe Stubblefield's crazy achievements which make no sense conventionally, maybe Keely's achievements are based of what they are obviously based on?!  Maybe Searl was right, and Hamel, both demonstrating Free Energy and Antigravity...


You have been looking in the wrong place if you have been focused on trying to make a bootstrap device based on conventional electromagnetism, that only EVER leads to conventional results.


Free Energy research is full of accounts involving anomalies, simple devices doing not just one impossible thing, but 2 or 3 or more!
Look at Sweet, look at Bedini, look at Gray, look at the Adam's motor, none of this stuff has just Free Energy, there are other anomalies!    That's because they are engineering the medium of matter.


Of course who could work out how these disparate device work, who could see the commonalities in them, the correlations and see the underlying aetheric science, the aether that you cannot buy a meter for?   It seems almost hopeless, except I spent roughly 24 years finding out how!  I can help most people feel the aether and tell you how it works, what the correlations are and take you through it.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: sadang on July 25, 2018, 07:06:53 AM
aether22, if you consider you understand deeper than the current science the real nature of creation, and in my opinion you are right about the aether, have you ever thought to teach others about this, using their own words and their own level of understanding? Because I know also that understanding the aether or even accepting partially its existence, means to change everything a human being think he know, even his own most deepest beliefs and the basic bricks of his won existence. Have you ever thought of that?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 25, 2018, 07:29:07 AM
aether22, if you consider you understand deeper than the current science the real nature of creation, and in my opinion you are right about the aether, have you ever thought to teach others about this, using their own words and their own level of understanding? Because I know also that understanding the aether or even accepting partially its existence, means to change everything a human being think he know, even his own most deepest beliefs and the basic bricks of his won existence. Have you ever thought of that?


Ugh, you aren't the first person to suggest it.


But no amount of changing words and massaging models would make sense of this without bsically describing the whole thing anyway under a different name.


I guess however I could say it is spin science, that applies to many of the energies, there is a spin, but it is not really the same as the physically detected, and some effects happen when the charged spin energies are moved away.


The problem also is even if I design some experiment I can explain away as conventional, it will not help because it would be like trying to build a radio thinking it worked with water, even if it happens to work, it is not going to do much for he science of it if people are labouring under a misconception.  but people do NOT have to take me on faith, I am happy to put my money where my mouth is, I am willing to part with up to $1000 if anyone can show this stuff does not do what I claim, which would mean that this energy cannot be felt be a reasonable number of people (at least 10).


And hey, it took me AGES to come to terms with the aether myself, I was very must disgusted with the thought of all sorts of fluidic activity I can't see surrounding me, it is claustrophobic, it feels unscientific and mystical, it is also, true, but I have had the better part of 24 years to come to terms with it.


This stuff is real, it is Chi, it is Orgone, if you want me to give it another name, that is ok, but will that make a difference?
If a word really that offensive that it cuts off peoples ears to listen to reason?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 25, 2018, 07:44:19 AM
and in my opinion you are right about the aether


Anyway, if you think I am right, will you try some things for me?  See if you can feel the energy?
PM me if you are willing.


If I can get a bunch of people to try and report back what they feel, once what I present can be trusted by at least SOME it becomes possible to teach this.
I am happy to teach slowly, and I am happy to relate it to things such as physical energies as indeed the energies appear like phantom electrons, phantom fields etc...  While I call it aether physics, it could also be called virtual particle physics I guess, or something like that...  But feeling the energy, whatever name you give it is a hugely important tool, sensitivity is how these Free Energy inventors worked.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 25, 2018, 08:15:49 AM
Ok guys.
I have schematics ./ The schematic have been send to me by one of our  friends .
Polish guy. I compared them with
Device  of Ruslan  and is ~100% the same.
I have good news and bad news.
link to schematics is here.
https://yadi.sk/d/gE3arFES3Z5Ydj (https://yadi.sk/d/gE3arFES3Z5Ydj)
Please download them till they are  still available.
I have  got today, conflicting information about Panov device
It looks like I will have to travel to Riga Latvia.
I will contact Ruslan  to schedule the trip.
Just to make sure that I know  what  is going on.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 25, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
Quote
Ok guys.
I have schematics ./ The schematic have been send to me by one of our  friends .
Polish guy. I compared them with
Device  of Ruslan  and is ~100% the same.
I have good news and bad news.
link to schematics is here.
https://yadi.sk/d/gE3arFES3Z5Ydj
Please download them till they are  still available.
I have  got today, conflicting information about Panov device
It looks like I will have to travel to Riga Latvia.
I will contact Ruslan  to schedule the trip.
Just to make sure that I know  what  is going on.

Wesley

Oh.. Here we go again...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: sadang on July 25, 2018, 10:41:06 AM
Yes aether22, I agree the aether science is not a mechanical science and is not something independent of our being, I just wanted to suggest a path to be useful to others, as here Wesley try to do according to his understanding. And yes, I'll contact you on PM, in one, two days.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 25, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
I read comments below last Panov video. He state Ruslan Dębice can only light something like 100w bulb. Prawdopodobnie czegoś brakuje 😋 albo już ktoś dotarł do Panova i wytłumaczył mi co i jak..... Kiedy wreszcie zrozumiecie że urządzenie musi przedstawiać realną wartość dla ludzkości np pozwolić na ogrzewanie domu bez kosztów eksploatacyjnych a przy tym nie może być ani cienia wątpliwości że nie pobiera lewego prądu z sieci elektroenergetycznej. Do tego kwestie testòwt , zabezpieczeń, bezpieczeństwa , atestówa, bezpieczeństwast, instrukcji obsługi serwisu części itd. Bez wsparcia lokalnego rządu to sie nie uda.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 25, 2018, 11:46:08 AM
"Ruslan Free energy mod.  Dębice 100 watt" hahahaha moj niedziałajacy prototyp tez przykrece do mebla z PRL, koniecznie!
100 watt lepsze niz nic bym se laptopa podladowal no i od czegos trzeba zaczac, ruslan posiada tez mconiejszy model ktory pokazywal w lesie, 4KW?
ruskie shematy do duppy, liczylem na jakies tunning instructions i wgl tutorial, ciezka misja.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 25, 2018, 12:13:19 PM
I read comments below last Panov video. He state Ruslan Dębice can only light something like 100w bulb. Prawdopodobnie czegoś brakuje 😋 albo już ktoś dotarł do Panova i wytłumaczył mi co i jak..... Kiedy wreszcie zrozumiecie że urządzenie musi przedstawiać realną wartość dla ludzkości np pozwolić na ogrzewanie domu bez kosztów eksploatacyjnych a przy tym nie może być ani cienia wątpliwości że nie pobiera lewego prądu z sieci elektroenergetycznej. Do tego kwestie testòwt , zabezpieczeń, bezpieczeństwa , atestówa, bezpieczeństwast, instrukcji obsługi serwisu części itd. Bez wsparcia lokalnego rządu to sie nie uda.
Rough Google translation: Probably something is missing 😋 or someone has already reached Panov and explained to me what and how ..... When you finally understand that the device must represent a real value for humanity, for example, allow heating your home without operating costs and at the same time there can be no doubt that it does not charge the left electricity from the power grid.
This includes test, security, safety, approval, security, parts service instructions, etc. Without the support of the local government, it will not work.

Hmm, how do we construe the meaning of the highlighted text??
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 25, 2018, 12:31:15 PM
Yes aether22, I agree the aether science is not a mechanical science and is not something independent of our being, I just wanted to suggest a path to be useful to others, as here Wesley try to do according to his understanding. And yes, I'll contact you on PM, in one, two days.


Well, I wouldn't say it's not 'mechanical", it is materialistic, and it works with form.
Yes it couples to consciousness and a lot more, but I want to be clear here, what I have developed is a mechanistic approach to affecting the underlying material reality and everything is based on.


It is the ultimate science, all science just studies fragments of this science, just as everything is made of aether.
So yes, there is the connection to consciousness, spirit etc...  But I am not building that side of it, I am building the mechanistic side of it, the physical side of it.


And moreover, and excuse me for shouting, but 90% OF PEOPLE CAN FEEL THE ENERGY!


And I fully get how hard this is to wrap your mind around, but about 60% can feel the energy from images, yes light exists in and hence puts stress on the aether.    And as such images are ale to prove the reality of what I am talking about, but it is hard to even get people to try that!   Sure, at 60%, maybe I am unlucky and with this Audience that would be halved to 30%, but still, I have never had many people in a row not feel it, and a good % feel energy strongly enough to be quite impressed.


The point is I can prove what I am saying, but this seems to fall of deaf ears!

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 25, 2018, 12:35:49 PM

Well, I wouldn't say it's not 'mechanical", it is materialistic, and it works with form.
Yes it couples to consciousness and a lot more, but I want to be clear here, what I have developed is a mechanistic approach to affecting the underlying material reality and everything is based on.


It is the ultimate science, all science just studies fragments of this science, just as everything is made of aether.
So yes, there is the connection to consciousness, spirit etc...  But I am not building that side of it, I am building the mechanistic side of it, the physical side of it.


And moreover, and excuse me for shouting, but 90% OF PEOPLE CAN FEEL THE ENERGY!


And I fully get how hard this is to wrap your mind around, but about 60% can feel the energy from images, yes light exists in and hence puts stress on the aether.    And as such images are ale to prove the reality of what I am talking about, but it is hard to even get people to try that!   Sure, at 60%, maybe I am unlucky and with this Audience that would be halved to 30%, but still, I have never had many people in a row not feel it, and a good % feel energy strongly enough to be quite impressed.


The point is I can prove what I am saying, but this seems to fall of deaf ears!
With respect aether22, this not the appropriate thread for this subject.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 25, 2018, 12:36:21 PM
well it's true .. if you want to use that kind of device  openly and public you have to make sure that it is not using any form of stray current  from overloaded transformers ore hv- lines. otherwise every single powercompany will sue you  for doing exaktly that proven ore not you will be the one who have to prove it in court . ...

have fun

all given that it does work like they say
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 25, 2018, 12:42:12 PM
well it's true .. if you want to use that kind of device  openly and public you have to make sure that it is not using any form of stray current  from overloaded transformers ore hv- lines. otherwise every single powercompany will sue you  for doing exaktly that proven ore not you will be the one who have to prove it in court . ...

have fun

all given that it does work like they say
Well does it or doesn't it use stray current from the grid?? Maybe this is what Wesley needs to establish during his visit to Latvia.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 25, 2018, 12:49:33 PM
Well does it or doesn't it use stray current from the grid?? Maybe this is what Wesley needs to establish during his visit to Latvia.



Panov said it can only give 100W and only when ground cable Has correct lenght. Sorry this tablet force je to wrote in Polish
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: aether22 on July 25, 2018, 12:54:21 PM
With respect aether22, this not the appropriate thread for this subject.


Well, it says "and other FE discussion'.


But, I would rather people reply in one of the 2 threads I made for it, but if they reply here, then I tend to reply to them here.


My discoveries directly relate to what this thread is about, Tesla's work is based on aether, radiant energy, and Kapanadze is based on Tesla, and like all Free Energy, believe it or not, it does not come from making some clever circuit, not unless that clever circuit happens to be designed to suit aetheric energy generation.


Seriously, how long have you been at this stuff, and still chasing the odd result here and there that cannot be readily replicated.
That is because replicating the electrical part is not enough if you don't replicate whatever made it work for the aether as well!
I am suggesting making inexpensive tweaks that could be enough to trip something into OU mode, or at least produce some anomalies.
I can prove my claims about the aether, I have even put money up, up to $1000 for someone that disproves that my designs, coils or images don't develop an energy some people can feel, up to and over 90% in some cases, lower in others but never rare.


I have been in this field for 24 years, I never lied and I haven't suddenly become a liar or delusional.   This is real and it is at the right stage to share it.   If knowing that you want no part of it even though it is the key to so much or IMO ALL OU that does not have an obvious gain mechanism (Nuclear) then so be it, your loss.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 25, 2018, 12:54:22 PM
Quote
Well does it or doesn't it use stray current from the grid?? Maybe this is what Wesley needs to establish during his visit to Latvia.

We need another forest demo and this time Wesley should choose location for demo.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: saturnio on July 25, 2018, 01:04:12 PM
Hi Guys, there is a recent message from Sergej Panov in Wesley channel:

"The device does NOT produce any free energy! It is a scam perpetrated by Kulabuhov! The device works from a hidden AC connected wire! The whole free energy Kulabuhov device is fake! End of story!  Big scam!"

I am not an active member, but I read the post quite often, Perhaps someone with more clarity could explain the reason for the message?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 25, 2018, 01:37:45 PM
Hi Guys, there is a recent message from Sergej Panov in Wesley channel:

"The device does NOT produce any free energy! It is a scam perpetrated by Kulabuhov! The device works from a hidden AC connected wire! The whole free energy Kulabuhov device is fake! End of story!  Big scam!"

I am not an active member, but I read the post quite often, Perhaps someone with more clarity could explain the reason for the message?
Nice Handle you have !
Now it starts !
Saturn let's look at ancient history of that word,Saturn, now considered the 'Police man' of the planets 
Saturn re the Romans Satan is about control, life and death situations the 8th house on astrology I could goon and on.
ignore  or make up your own mind,at your own peril but choose freedom or control.

Untill you know! the truth!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 25, 2018, 01:50:56 PM
Quote
"The device does NOT produce any free energy! It is a scam perpetrated by Kulabuhov! The device works from a hidden AC connected wire! The whole free energy Kulabuhov device is fake! End of story!  Big scam!"
now Panov claims that its a scam? why he changed his mind?? what the hell is going on between ruslan and panov??

Ok it seems that Panov was joking and here is the rest of it (truth?)

Quote

o whom it is necessary, comment, I will put a photo of super quality. Guys, do not cut it, do not swear, I'll ban and wash! Respect each other! Movie about running BTG near the end of the video, it's just an example of how Kulabukhov easily fooled us all! The principle / secret of the work of Kulabukhov's BTG is = PHASE! ..."


Basically if you look at the schematic that I show in video #9, those 2 relays play a role in turning the AC line on and maintaining it after you remove the battery. Buttons Start/Stop turn on and turn off the AC line. The device has unnecessary schematics and play no role whatsoever in generating of free energy as claimed by Kulabuhov. Fans spin, LEDs shine, Tesla works, it all looks real and works but the real energy comes from under a hidden wire that Kulabuhov had hidden under the neutral black thick cable(as seen on the video) that ran from his device to the ground. The ground markings on the black cable indicate that underside of them was loose because it housed an AC line. Basically Kulabuhov scammed people and myself for years, he sold me a free energy device that was rigged to work from AC line and deceived me, I had enough evidence to take him to a civil court and won all my money back - he didn't even show up in court to stand by his free energy claims.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 25, 2018, 02:20:32 PM
now Panov claims that its a scam? why he changed his mind?? what the hell is going on between ruslan and panov??

Ok it seems that Panov was joking and here is the rest of it (truth?)


o whom it is necessary, comment, I will put a photo of super quality. Guys, do not cut it, do not swear, I'll ban and wash! Respect each other! Movie about running BTG near the end of the video, it's just an example of how Kulabukhov easily fooled us all! The principle / secret of the work of Kulabukhov's BTG is = PHASE! ..."


Basically if you look at the schematic that I show in video #9, those 2 relays play a role in turning the AC line on and maintaining it after you remove the battery. Buttons Start/Stop turn on and turn off the AC line. The device has unnecessary schematics and play no role whatsoever in generating of free energy as claimed by Kulabuhov. Fans spin, LEDs shine, Tesla works, it all looks real and works but the real energy comes from under a hidden wire that Kulabuhov had hidden under the neutral black thick cable(as seen on the video) that ran from his device to the ground. The ground markings on the black cable indicate that underside of them was loose because it housed an AC line. Basically Kulabuhov scammed people and myself for years, he sold me a free energy device that was rigged to work from AC line and deceived me, I had enough evidence to take him to a civil court and won all my money back - he didn't even show up in court to stand by his free energy claims.

where is vid 9 pointer and all this quote information from and it's pointer ?

More to the point why is he and Ruslan never show storage caps don Smith and Daily originals devices had ?

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 25, 2018, 02:49:54 PM
(snip)
I can prove my claims about the aether, I have even put money up, up to $1000 for someone that disproves that my designs, coils or images don't develop an energy some people can feel, up to and over 90% in some cases, lower in others but never rare.


I have been in this field for 24 years, I never lied and I haven't suddenly become a liar or delusional.   This is real and it is at the right stage to share it.   If knowing that you want no part of it even though it is the key to so much or IMO ALL OU that does not have an obvious gain mechanism (Nuclear) then so be it, your loss.
So, presumably YOU yourself can feel this energy you are talking about, coming from your designs, coils or images. So I propose a test. We will take one of your designs, coils or images, that you can feel, and we will put it into a box of some kind. We will have five other identical boxes with inert contents. Let's use an image, since it won't be making noise or ordinary vibrations that might give it away.  I'll mix up the six boxes, and you can tell me which one contains your energy-emanating image. We will repeat the 6-box test ten times, and if you are able to correctly identify the box with your thing in it 8 times out of the ten trials... you win, and I'll write a full report and get it published in a real journal. If not... I get your thousand dollars. Before we start, you provide proof of your thousand dollars by putting it in escrow with a trusted third party (Chet? Wesley?).

Does that sound fair to you?  Since you yourself will be providing the image (or coil or device) and you yourself know already that you yourself can feel its energy... this method eliminates all third-party variables. We didn't build the device wrong, whether or not we are sensitive doesn't matter, there can be no excuses of that nature and you yourself will be the primary judge of whether or not you yourself can feel this energy. 8 out of 10 trials with six boxes.... should be easy for you.

So as not to derail this thread let's talk more about this on one of the other threads where you have placed this information and offer.




Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 25, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
where is vid 9 pointer and all this quote information from and it's pointer ?


Panov has this comment pinned to his most recent video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy5za1r5gCw


Here's the exact quote from Sergej Panov in English:
"ENGLISH:
Basically if you look at the schematic that I show in video #9, those 2 relays play a role in turning the AC line on
and maintaining it after you remove the battery. Buttons Start/Stop turn on and turn off the AC line.
The device has unnecessary schematics and play no role whatsoever in generating of free energy as claimed by Kulabuhov.
Fans spin, LEDs shine, Tesla works, it all looks real and works but the real energy comes from under a hidden wire that Kulabuhov
had hidden under the neutral black thick cable(as seen on the video) that ran from his device to the ground.
The ground markings on the black cable indicate that underside of them was loose because it housed an AC line.
Basically Kulabuhov scammed people and myself for years, he sold me a free energy device that was rigged to work from AC line
and deceived me, I had enough evidence to take him to a civil court and won all my money back - he didn't even show up in court
to stand by his free energy claims."

Here is what Panov wrote in Russian (translated to English):
"To whom it is necessary, comment, I will put a photo of super quality. Guys, do not cut it, do not swear, I'll ban and wash!
Respect each other! Movie about running BTG near the end of the video, it's just an example of how Kulabukhov easily
fooled us all! The principle / secret of the work of Kulabukhov's BTG is = PHASE! Guys, thank you, do not need any money,
save yourself for the details or for the family, but who wants to transfer, thank you to you, that's my yandeh number,
there are no others. Photos will soon make and lay out: <yandex link>

00:01 Schemes, boards, connections, drawings!
22:40 Disclosure of the secret / operating principle of the Kulubukhov perpetuum mobile, Bes-Fuel Generator!
1:06:15 The markings!
1:17:06 Focus-Pokus BTG! How Kulabukhov bred!
1:41:16 What says Kulabukhov after selling me BTG!"


So Sergej Panov is now claiming that the device he purchased from Ruslan is a fake.
I think a while back Wesley stated that this guy Panov is a troll trying to discredit Ruslan.
So, we have two possibilities. Either Ruslan's device is fake, or Sergej Panov is a troll who is making 
a very big effort to discredit Ruslan. I'm not going to jump to any conclusions as I don't know anything
about this Sergej Panov guy, but there is no doubt that this looks bad for Ruslan. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 25, 2018, 02:57:19 PM
now Panov claims that its a scam? why he changed his mind?? what the hell is going on between ruslan and panov??

I'm surprised that Wesley is putting himself out for a long flight to visit Ruslan, given that he is not going to be given the opportunity to technically examine a working Ruslan device in detail, any more than he was given by Kapanadze. I think most of us have already woken-up and smelt the coffee.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 25, 2018, 03:32:57 PM
Yeah i see two options:

1.Ruslan device was real but geo dependent so it didn't  work for Panov in his country so angry Panov decided to discredit Ruslan by claiming its all fake.
2.Ruslan device was and still is fake, big scam.

any other possibilities? I don't think so...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: vasik041 on July 25, 2018, 05:36:58 PM
Yeah i see two options:

1.Ruslan device was real but geo dependent so it didn't  work for Panov in his country so angry Panov decided to discredit Ruslan by claiming its all fake.
2.Ruslan device was and still is fake, big scam.

any other possibilities? I don't think so...
3. they are both scamers playing together :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 25, 2018, 07:19:46 PM
3. they are both scamers playing together :)
Ha ha you got to laugh at the bipolar response some one show me the proof !
Can any one do that ????????????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 25, 2018, 08:14:33 PM
Ha ha you got to laugh at the bipolar response some one show me the proof !
Can any one do that ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
What, proof of a genuine self-runner / OU jobby or proof of faking.  ;)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 25, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
What, proof of a genuine self-runner / OU jobby or proof of faking.  ;)
I don't think any one cane prove it works or it don't on here.
No i was referring to all this probable prof of admitting fraud the guy is admitting to !
where is it ?

Any way on circuit no 2 it has a 494  feed into a 4017 with outputs 6 7 8 9 switched into a 4081
fed into a 4013 d type (obviously to make both Q' outputs EW but they go no where  ;D ;D
is some thing missing ??
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on July 25, 2018, 09:24:59 PM
and thats why i try to do own stuff .. inspriration from others yeah why not .. but no waste of time by replikate some nanopulser  and what not . How ever if wesely  can find some infos there whats all about this drama he did a great job

have fun
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 25, 2018, 09:53:44 PM
I don't think any one cane prove it works or it don't on here.
No i was referring to all this probable prof of admitting fraud the guy is admitting to !
where is it ?

I tend to follow the money trail on this type of puzzle. However, proof is conclusive, so evidence is likely the best we can hope for in a forum environment.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 26, 2018, 06:42:39 AM
TK
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So, presumably YOU yourself can feel this energy you are talking about, coming from your designs, coils or images. So I propose a test. We will take one of your designs, coils or images, that you can feel, and we will put it into a box of some kind.

You may lose and the condition is called EM hypersensitivity
http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs296/en/

Nikola Tesla claimed to have such sensitivity to EM energy and it is well documented in the art. It is also known that sharks have electro-reception with a sensitivity as low as 5 nV/cm. https://www.wired.com/2013/08/how-sensitive-are-sharks-to-electric-fields/
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Suppose you put two D-cell batteries 1000 miles apart with a single wire connecting them. A shark could detect this faint voltage.

The real problem would seem to be arm chair critics who do no real experiments and corporations/government agencies who prostitute science in the name of profit/vested interests. Any fool should be able to feel the hair on their arm rise or move in the presence of HV fields. I can build a small HV circuit and put it in a box and take your money every time. The problem is most people are basically deaf, blind and dumb so far as awareness of the environment around them is concerned. They bumble about oblivious to everything around them then try to claim there ignorance is normal when it's not, it's just them.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 26, 2018, 07:01:20 AM
tysb3
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Basically if you look at the schematic that I show in video #9, those 2 relays play a role in turning the AC line on and maintaining it after you remove the battery. Buttons Start/Stop turn on and turn off the AC line. The device has unnecessary schematics and play no role whatsoever in generating of free energy as claimed by Kulabuhov. Fans spin, LEDs shine, Tesla works, it all looks real and works but the real energy comes from under a hidden wire that Kulabuhov had hidden under the neutral black thick cable(as seen on the video) that ran from his device to the ground. The ground markings on the black cable indicate that underside of them was loose because it housed an AC line. Basically Kulabuhov scammed people and myself for years, he sold me a free energy device that was rigged to work from AC line and deceived me, I had enough evidence to take him to a civil court and won all my money back - he didn't even show up in court to stand by his free energy claims.

Awesome, now if you could post a copy of the court transcript or some other proof such as a receipt then we could believe you. Otherwise you have as much credibility as the inventors you claim are fakes. There is only one tangible proof and that is tangible proof and it works both ways.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 26, 2018, 02:07:14 PM
Fellers ! do you get the feeling we are moving off track here some what on this thread.
Only we seam to be wondering up dead end cul-de-sac where every one loses interest
and some bozzo stirs his cauldron full of BS and useless katchers and grenades ;)

Lets not lose track here the name of the game here is BEMF! and collecting it
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: tysb3 on July 26, 2018, 02:08:11 PM
@ onepower (https://overunity.com/profile/onepower.106102/)
I put there information what about his video say  Sergej Panov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCumjgeQXpjz4oaKXa7tZIwg)  ,which part of it Wesley wrong interpreted. For more informatios ask Sergej Panov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCumjgeQXpjz4oaKXa7tZIwg)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 26, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
Yeah i see two options:
1.Ruslan device was real but geo dependent so it didn't  work for Panov in his country so angry Panov decided to discredit Ruslan by claiming its all fake.
2.Ruslan device was and still is fake, big scam.
any other possibilities? I don't think so...

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek.  Yes, it is possible that the device Panov bought from Ruslan is a
legit working 'FE' device, and possibly Panov just could not figure out how to make it work, or the
device does not work in his area.  I can't see the point of Ruslan selling just one device to one person
like this if the device is a complete fake, as Ruslan would have known that doing that would most probably bring
very negative consequences for him. Panov's insinuation that Ruslan must have been using a hidden very thin wire
is only speculation I think. I don't think there is evidence that Ruslan actually did that, unless Panov has
provided some actual convincing evidence showing Ruslan doing that somewhere in one of Ruslan's demos, but we
all already know that hidden wires are always a real possibility in any of these kind of demos. So there is nothing
new at all with this idea.


@Wesley: It would still be interesting to us all here I think to have some translation from Sergej Panov's
video # 9, as this video contains commentary from both Sergej and Ruslan. I know translating
that whole video would be a big job, but it would be interesting to at least know if it is mentioned about what agreement
was supposed to have been made between Sergej and Ruslan, and why Ruslan agreed to sell Sergej one of his devices at all.
At the last part of the video # 9, Sergej includes video commentary from Ruslan on this. What is Ruslan saying there?
Without knowing more details about what all transpired there, it is hard for people to assess what is really going on with all this.
That's my opinion anyway. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 26, 2018, 02:49:03 PM
@ onepower (https://overunity.com/profile/onepower.106102/)
I put there information what about his video say  Sergej Panov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCumjgeQXpjz4oaKXa7tZIwg)  ,which part of it Wesley wrong interpreted. For more informatios ask Sergej Panov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCumjgeQXpjz4oaKXa7tZIwg)

Hi tysb3. Wesley did not interpret it wrong. Sergej Panov first released a video claiming he
got Ruslan's device working, and he said he was going to release full details in later videos
explaining how everything works, and provide schematics as well. Then later Sergej released his
video # 9, in which he says he believes Ruslan just used a cheap trick of having a hidden mains
phase wire in the ground wire. Sergej made misleading claims in his earlier video about getting his
device working, so it is understandable that people were mislead by that earlier video from Sergej.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 26, 2018, 03:14:08 PM
Hi tysb3. Wesley did not interpret it wrong. Sergej Panov first released a video claiming he
got Ruslan's device working, and he said he was going to release full details in later videos
explaining how everything works, and provide schematics as well. Then later Sergej released his
video # 9, in which he says he believes Ruslan just used a cheap trick of having a hidden mains
phase wire in the ground wire. Sergej made misleading claims in his earlier video about getting his
device working, so it is understandable that people were mislead by that earlier video from Sergej.
Well with all that has happened you didn't really think it would all go according to plan, did you?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 26, 2018, 04:51:31 PM
A much more likely scenario is that Panov did not have the skill to figure out how it works, panicked then claimed it didn't work.

Look at the time line...
1) He claims he has it working and will release details.
2)He shows no proof he has it working as time passes.
3)He then claims it does not work and is a fake.

It would seem to me that he is trying to lay blame on the device or technology for his own lack of knowledge and understanding which is often the case.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 26, 2018, 05:14:12 PM
Well we haven't had anything from Wesley, I.m more interested to see what else is available he has to share with us  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 26, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
Hi onepower.  I think Sergej Panov had Ruslan's device in his possession for a long time before he made this latest series of videos.
He had already sued Ruslan some time ago claiming the device does not work. Then in the last couple of weeks or so he posted
a series of videos in which he was showing doing a bunch of testing and analysis with Ruslan's device, and then he released a video
about a week ago saying he managed to get Ruslan's device working, and that he was going to release further details about how the
device works in upcoming videos. Then Sergej released his video # 9 a few days ago saying that he actually used a hidden phase wire
to power the device.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 26, 2018, 05:40:14 PM
I think most have been down this road before... it goes around the block and we always seem to end up right back where we started. As one member suggested, the best option may be to stop blindly following others and to take matters into our own hands.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 26, 2018, 06:04:40 PM
Void
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Hi onepower.  I think Sergej Panov had Ruslan's device in his possession for a long time before he made this latest series of videos.
He had already sued Ruslan some time ago claiming the device does not work.

There is a very good reason these devices work in some places some of the time but not all of the time. Relative humidity, water in the air, will either dampen the HV resonant effects or short the device out all together. It is well known in the art and anyone with any amount of understanding of these kinds of systems should have figured this out.

A nearby thunderstorm produces even more variation because now the Earth Ground potential can swing from 100V/m to thousands of V/m overloading the device. Then when the wind blows humid air into the vicinity the unit shorts out and stops working all together. Why anyone would think a device extracting energy from it's environment would not be effected by said environment boggles the mind.

Imagine that, some people put hundreds of hours of testing into a device and it never works for no other reason than they didn't check the relative humidity in the room. It is often something that simple that many people over look that gets them.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain




Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 26, 2018, 06:18:38 PM
I think most have been down this road before... it goes around the block and we always seem to
end up right back where we started. As one member suggested, the best option may be to stop blindly
following others and to take matters into our own hands.

Hi Onepower. It's up to any given person whether they want to spend some time running experiments
with these types of setups or not. There are several variations of these sort of devices out there, some
of which have been seen running up close by independent witnesses in person, so it shouldn't be
surprising that some people are interested in experimenting with similar setups, and trying to find
out more info about them. :)

However, one thing for pretty much certain is that despite what most anyone says about these 'FE' devices,
it appears anyone who might actually get one working is not very likely going to give out specific details
to the public for free about what makes their device work, as the potential is there to make big bucks from
a real FE device, if someone can actually get one working.  :)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 26, 2018, 06:20:34 PM
Sergej said that he found a spot to connect mains and then the device worked, with all tesla coils pushpuls, fans, leds and so on, those parts are just a decoy. Sergej did not modify anything , supposedly.

He also had shown all schematics and explained how mains current powered the device including relay's for battery.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 26, 2018, 06:24:29 PM
Sergej said that he found a spot to connect mains and then the device worked, with all tesla coils pushpuls, fans, leds and so on, those parts are just a decoy. Sergej did not modify anything , supposedly.

He also had shown all schematics and explained how mains current powered the device including relay's for battery.
Ah, now the series of events is making sense. It a bit of backwards engineering.  ;D 8)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 26, 2018, 06:30:34 PM
Sergej said that he found a spot to connect mains and then the device worked, with all tesla coils pushpuls, fans, leds and so on, those parts are just a decoy. Sergej did not modify anything , supposedly.
He also had shown all schematics and explained how mains current powered the device including relay's for battery.

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. 'Supposedly' being the key word there. :)
I saw in Sergej's video where it looked like he actually had soldered his thin phase wire 
in more than one place, but I don't speak Russian so I am not sure about what Sergej was
trying to show there.  Anyway, the same circuit layout may work exactly the same if the
power source is looping back from the output of the coils in self loop configuration, or if a mains hot phase
wire is soldered in the same place instead (prior to the loop back diode bridge). I'm personally not jumping to
any conclusions here anyway. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 26, 2018, 06:49:00 PM
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Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. 'Supposedly' being the key word there. :)
I saw in Sergej's video where it looked like he actually had soldered his thin phase wire
in more than one place, but I don't speak Russian so I am not sure about what Sergej was
trying to show there.  Anyway, the same circuit layout may work exactly the same if the
power source is looping back from the output of the coils in self loop configuration, or if a mains hot phase
wire is soldered in the same place instead (prior to the loop back diode bridge). I'm personally not jumping to
any conclusions here anyway. :)

that would be a surprise, hwoever one thing just makes me wonder, why in forest demo ruslan insert a pipe in some bushy area instead of open field?
Wesley is trying to contact Ruslan, Wes would bring HIS OWN ground wire or choose a location for demo, he will inspect everything, no room for hoax this time, if Ruslan let him...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: tysb3 on July 26, 2018, 06:58:30 PM
no way Ruslan let him
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 26, 2018, 07:24:36 PM
that would be a surprise, hwoever one thing just makes me wonder, why in forest demo ruslan insert a pipe in some bushy area instead of open field?
Wesley is trying to contact Ruslan, Wes would bring HIS OWN ground wire or choose a location for demo, he will inspect everything, no room for hoax this time, if Ruslan let him...

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek . Yes, I agree, it would be essential for Wesley to be allowed to disconnect the ground wire
at least at the end of the ground wire which connects to the device and inspect fully, and also to be allowed to handle
the device however he wants to inspect the device for any possible hidden wires as well. Doing the demo at some
random location in the country side, with the exact spot chosen by Wesley would be very good as well.

However, I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter what precautions and steps Wesley may take,
such as the steps mentioned above, (if Ruslan agrees to something like this), and if the device still works,
people will still be insisting that Wesley was still just tricked somehow, or they will insist that Wesley has joined
up with Ruslan to fool everyone. ;D

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 26, 2018, 07:42:01 PM
Void
There is a very good reason these devices work in some places some of the time but not all of the time. Relative humidity, water in the air, will either dampen the HV resonant effects or short the device out all together. It is well known in the art and anyone with any amount of understanding of these kinds of systems should have figured this out.

A nearby thunderstorm produces even more variation because now the Earth Ground potential can swing from 100V/m to thousands of V/m overloading the device. Then when the wind blows humid air into the vicinity the unit shorts out and stops working all together. Why anyone would think a device extracting energy from it's environment would not be effected by said environment boggles the mind.

Imagine that, some people put hundreds of hours of testing into a device and it never works for no other reason than they didn't check the relative humidity in the room. It is often something that simple that many people over look that gets them.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain

Well it makes sense.

This means that the device needs to have a supply of condioned air?
Should not be that difficult.

Also the ionisation charge of the air trough the during thunderstorm should be relative easy to be controlled



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
Hi PolaczekCebulaczek . Yes, I agree, it would be essential for Wesley to be allowed to disconnect the ground wire
at least at the end of the ground wire which connects to the device and inspect fully, and also to be allowed to handle
the device however he wants to inspect the device for any possible hidden wires as well. Doing the demo at some
random location in the country side, with the exact spot chosen by Wesley would be very good as well.

However, I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter what precautions and steps Wesley may take,
such as the steps mentioned above, (if Ruslan agrees to something like this), and if the device still works,
people will still be insisting that Wesley was still just tricked somehow, or they will insist that Wesley has joined
up with Ruslan to fool everyone. ;D
And that would be the correct default position to take. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary levels of proof, after all. And what claim is more extraordinary than these: Self runners, not co-opted by the Russian military....

However, what is much more likely is that Wesley will not be allowed to perform the necessary inspections and experimentation to rule out hidden external or internal sources of power.
A third possibility is that the device won't work, and Ruslan and his cadre will fall back on the "onepower" excuse: not enough something in the air, too much other somethings, not Tuesday, not full enough moon, forgot to circle three times widdershins around the plinth.... 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2018, 07:53:18 PM
Well it makes sense.

No, it doesn't.
Quote

This means that the device needs to have a supply of condioned air?
Should not be that difficult.
Not in evidence in any of the demonstrations.
Quote

Also the ionisation charge of the air trough the during thunderstorm should be relative easy to be controlled
No, it is not.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2018, 07:59:22 PM
Void
There is a very good reason these devices work in some places some of the time but not all of the time. Relative humidity, water in the air, will either dampen the HV resonant effects or short the device out all together. It is well known in the art and anyone with any amount of understanding of these kinds of systems should have figured this out.

A nearby thunderstorm produces even more variation because now the Earth Ground potential can swing from 100V/m to thousands of V/m overloading the device. Then when the wind blows humid air into the vicinity the unit shorts out and stops working all together. Why anyone would think a device extracting energy from it's environment would not be effected by said environment boggles the mind.

Imagine that, some people put hundreds of hours of testing into a device and it never works for no other reason than they didn't check the relative humidity in the room. It is often something that simple that many people over look that gets them.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain
Uh-huh, and pulling excuses out of thin air can also get you into trouble.

The devices "work" whenever and wherever they are demonstrated by Ruslan and his cronies. I don't recall seeing a failed demonstration, presented alongside a relative humidity measurement.

While it is certainly true that we don't know all the factors involved in getting one of these things to work, and humidity etc. can indeed affect circuitry in various ways, one could seize upon many many factors to blame for them not working. Phase of moon and day of week are my favorites. The moon phase is linked to tides... what could be more powerful than ocean tides! And have you noticed that Trump News peters out on Friday and there is very little over the weekend, and on Monday the news activity picks back up....

Look up "Special Pleading" when you have a chance.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 26, 2018, 08:44:13 PM
If that device works it would be a miracle. Remember Kapa aqua box video. That guy holding device said something important.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 26, 2018, 09:25:47 PM

No, it doesn't.
Not in evidence in any of the demonstrations.
No, it is not.

Right

the only factor of influence is the thunderstorm situation which gains the air ionisation in a mayor way.
What creates more fuell for the device to absorb

The relative difference in moisture humidity won t affect that.....  or thunderstorms would stop at the moment it starts to rain 8)




Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 26, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
And that would be the correct default position to take. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary levels of proof, after all. And what claim is more extraordinary than these: Self runners, not co-opted by the Russian military....

However, what is much more likely is that Wesley will not be allowed to perform the necessary inspections and experimentation to rule out hidden external or internal sources of power.
A third possibility is that the device won't work, and Ruslan and his cadre will fall back on the "onepower" excuse: not enough something in the air, too much other somethings, not Tuesday, not full enough moon, forgot to circle three times widdershins around the plinth....

Tinsel,

You are a smart guy, i almost whatched all your vid's with a lot of respect.
You like to make results...  i can see that...

Lets assume the Ruslan device is legimit,.... ( as i am convinced it is)

What would be in your opinion the driving force to obtain the absorbtion of the tesla charge/ ionisated air energy into the output coil?


I d like to get focussed on engineering facts....  even in little steps...  and after that the next one...... see relations,..  proof of concept.... and start again from there..  or try something els..  again,..  again .........  see those Amp and Volt meters doing crazy movements

We don't know who here on this forum have the same goals, having regard to the character where the discussion always falls back on shows that might be 8 out of 10 people here not to obtain  OU.
Sorry if I offend people but it really seems so.
There is no spin or within the meaning of working on the bench.

Just endless discussion about  the "fake issue".. which in my opinion is contra productive ....  what does not make sense as you look what knowledge and experience is on board here.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 27, 2018, 12:02:51 AM
Tinsel,

You are a smart guy, i almost whatched all your vid's with a lot of respect.
You like to make results...  i can see that...

Lets assume the Ruslan device is legimit,.... ( as i am convinced it is)

What would be in your opinion the driving force to obtain the absorbtion of the tesla charge/ ionisated air energy into the output coil?


I d like to get focussed on engineering facts....  even in little steps...  and after that the next one...... see relations,..  proof of concept.... and start again from there..  or try something els..  again,..  again .........  see those Amp and Volt meters doing crazy movements

We don't know who here on this forum have the same goals, having regard to the character where the discussion always falls back on shows that might be 8 out of 10 people here not to obtain  OU.
Sorry if I offend people but it really seems so.
There is no spin or within the meaning of working on the bench.

Just endless discussion about  the "fake issue".. which in my opinion is contra productive ....  what does not make sense as you look what knowledge and experience is on board here.
There was that other guy Adrian Gustov (sorry about spelling.
let's look at his Tesla coil for a start his L2 had a lot of turns on it and it was a 1/3 way up his L1 coil, doesn't that give you some idea's ? current (tuned exciter coil) High Voltage count turns so is in resonance.

Oh and one of his video's he showed a stack of capacitors in a block, for tuning ? or Pulsing ?
In his later video's self osculating would not have run that Katcher the gap was to big it sugest's
a higher voltage driver circuit.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 27, 2018, 01:12:34 AM
the video is ready now :
https://youtu.be/FJXVVD8IiQc (https://youtu.be/FJXVVD8IiQc)

It is  somehow positive analysis of Ruslan Device.
It is A COPY of Akula device that was checked by Stepanov and examined by my friend Tiger.
Akula's device was also  examined  by German Investor  in 2014 who visited Akula.
And Germans are not naive people. After that Akula spend more than year in Germany.
Tiger my friend was also ask to work in Germany.

video contains  access to schematics and explanations
We may be dealing with targeted attack on
FE community
and if not than Sergey is  saying truth .
Please read description below  video and give me Hand Up As I suspect  that horde of Trolls will be targeting me again.

Wesley
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 27, 2018, 01:35:37 AM
... forgot to circle three times widdershins around the plinth....

Hi TK. Now you've gone and leaked the real secret of FE out...
Now everyone and their cat is going to be coming out with working FE devices. :D 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 27, 2018, 01:52:13 AM
... and if not than Sergey is saying truth.

Hi Wesley. I don't think Sergej is wrong or lying when he says he hooked the phase line from
the mains to the relay contact on the device and it works. The relay(s) is/are setup as a latching
relay, so I think it should work the same whether you connect the output from the grenade coil to that
point on the relay, or a wire connected to the mains phase line, if the grenade coil were producing enough
power to maintain self looping that is.  Since it should probably work the same either way, it doesn't
necessarily mean at all that Ruslan used a hidden mains phase wire.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 27, 2018, 03:15:32 AM
TK
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The devices "work" whenever and wherever they are demonstrated by Ruslan and his cronies. I don't recall seeing a failed demonstration, presented alongside a relative humidity measurement.

I do not believe that is true and it was documented in this thread that Ruslan had units which did not work in other locations. I also remember reading of similar instances with the Kapanadze device.

Quote
While it is certainly true that we don't know all the factors involved in getting one of these things to work, and humidity etc. can indeed affect circuitry in various ways, one could seize upon many many factors to blame for them not working. Phase of moon and day of week are my favorites. The moon phase is linked to tides... what could be more powerful than ocean tides! And have you noticed that Trump News peters out on Friday and there is very little over the weekend, and on Monday the news activity picks back up....

My claim was made from first hand experience at the bench not theory. It is also well known in the art that PVC tubing for HV use should be warmed to drive off moisture or given a coat of varathane or epoxy to seal it. As well anyone can do a simple test, fire up a Tesla coil then spray some water mist near it... does it detune or not?. If you cannot or will not prove the matter for yourself then I'm sorry I cannot help you.

The fact remains that conduction increases as voltage rises and insulators and dielectrics can become conductors. At 500kV wood, water, earth and plastic containing moisture are very good conductors. All of this is explained in any textbook on HV phenomena, A.D. Moore for example.

I remember the hours of debate we had many years ago on every subject under the Sun and I put you in my top 5 most likely to nail this technology because of your experience ... what happened TK?. Why this?.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2018, 04:12:24 AM
OK...  for the moment let's stipulate that the device(s) DO work, self-run and power reasonably heavy loads.
Please explain, then, why or how the various militaries and intelligence agencies active in that part of the world have not co-opted the inventors, seized their inventions, and militarized them for the battlefield? Or simply suppressed them altogether.
Why has this not happened? Why are these inventors still running around in the open, posting on forums and YT.... where is the FSB? CIA?
Please explain. Do you know how much a liter of Diesel fuel costs, on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Syria? It's a lot more than you pay at the pump, that's for sure. There are extremely powerful motivations for militaries to get and use this technology. So why haven't they done it already? Why aren't they taking steps to keep this tech out of the hands of their enemies?



@onepower: My SSTCs do not go out of tune in varying environmental conditions, because I use autoresonating circuitry that automagically adjusts itself to remain in resonance.   It's not hard.... maybe Ruslan should email me for a consult.  I'll make him a special deal....And as far as me "nailing" this technology... have you ever tried nailing jello to the wall? Nevertheless I hope you've seen my TKoil X demonstrations and can make the connection....
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 27, 2018, 06:11:14 AM
OK...  for the moment let's stipulate that the device(s) DO work, self-run and power reasonably heavy loads.
Please explain, then, why or how the various militaries and intelligence agencies active in that part of the world have not co-opted the inventors, seized their inventions, and militarized them for the battlefield? Or simply suppressed them altogether.
Why has this not happened? Why are these inventors still running around in the open, posting on forums and YT.... where is the FSB? CIA?
Please explain. Do you know how much a liter of Diesel fuel costs, on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Syria? It's a lot more than you pay at the pump, that's for sure. There are extremely powerful motivations for militaries to get and use this technology. So why haven't they done it already? Why aren't they taking steps to keep this tech out of the hands of their enemies?

Hi TK. Who knows, but here's a couple of guesses.... :)

1) I think Latvia and Kazakhstan are not under Russia's control. FSB and CIA are not free to do as they please
in those two countries, I think.
2) Many/most people educated in science and engineering will most likely assume that all these free energy device
claims are a bunch of malarkey, so governments and their advisers may well assume it is all nonsense for the most
part, so pay it little attention. Who sends in military personnel or security agents or whatever over an issue they assume is nonsense?

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 27, 2018, 06:13:33 AM
Watch my  video my friend.
I have spend 4 days,  to make this video( 16 hours/day ) i hotel room just to prove  that Sergey is likely wrong
or intentionally wrong. Intro was prerecorded
Wesley


Hi Wesley. Nice video! (You have been adding some cool video editing effects
in your videos in the past while BTW). I agree that it seems very unlikely that if Ruslan was
trying to scam Sergej with a fake device that Ruslan would leave a plainly visible 5 inch
piece of insulated wire hanging part way out the ground wire connection hole. Ruslan would
have to be a complete idiot to do that. It does seem much more likely that Sergej soldered
that wire there later, but I wasn't there so I of course can't say for certain what actually happened there. 



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 27, 2018, 06:15:29 AM
OK...  for the moment let's stipulate that the device(s) DO work, self-run and power reasonably heavy loads.
Please explain, then, why or how the various militaries and intelligence agencies active in that part of the world have not co-opted the inventors, seized their inventions, and militarized them for the battlefield? Or simply suppressed them altogether.
Why has this not happened? Why are these inventors still running around in the open, posting on forums and YT.... where is the FSB? CIA?
Please explain. Do you know how much a liter of Diesel fuel costs, on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Syria? It's a lot more than you pay at the pump, that's for sure. There are extremely powerful motivations for militaries to get and use this technology. So why haven't they done it already? Why aren't they taking steps to keep this tech out of the hands of their enemies?



@onepower: My SSTCs do not go out of tune in varying environmental conditions, because I use autoresonating circuitry that automagically adjusts itself to remain in resonance.   It's not hard.... maybe Ruslan should email me for a consult.  I'll make him a special deal....And as far as me "nailing" this technology... have you ever tried nailing jello to the wall? Nevertheless I hope you've seen my TKoil X demonstrations and can make the connection....
The point is this phenomena exists and so do star people like it or not, and Criminals In Action Perhaps you should ask your questions to George Bush but then he can't handle the truth!  Jello whats that ? try putting jello or swamp gas in a plastic bag before nailing bag to wall. Military another word for satanic minions and control ;D ;D no pun

But here perhaps we should be concerned in keeping in phase with the earths resonance yeah ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: vasik041 on July 27, 2018, 06:20:43 AM
Sorry, don't want interrupt your entertainment, this is for those who interested in real thing...
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 27, 2018, 06:52:23 AM
To me it looks like Ruslan was trying to replicate Akula or Dally device (he spend a lot of work and money for circuitry and coils), failed and out of frustration decided to fake the device and created the YT/russian forum show, just for trolling or maybe for money from YT views and later sold the device to Panov for a juicy 5k E.

Even if that's the case then it does not mean that all devices are faked. Kapanadze, Vasmus and Akula (Akula used this suspicious thick wire too and he never removed the wire while performing demos) was hired be Germans yet none of his devices get to the market. For me the Vasmus demos were the most convincing; he really has shown all the connections, made outdoor video as well, removed ground wire then reconnect the ground wire and restarted the device, he even dissembled the device to small pieces. His best video (outdoor) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlvZ6sVNAYU blurry but this is how a good FE demo should look like.

If Ruslan wont let Wesley inspect the device and choose location for demo then he is a finished conman.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2018, 07:02:46 AM
Sorry, don't want interrupt your entertainment, this is for those who interested in real thing...
Yep, this is exactly how my autoresonating TinselKoil X works ... only wirelessly. Load is placed in the ground connection to a _second secondary_ some distance away from the transmitting coil. Or even a third... fourth.... who knows, I ran out of wire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFP6c7lwyoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFP6c7lwyoE)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2018, 07:15:34 AM


Hi Wesley. Nice video! (You have been adding some cool video editing effects
in your videos in the past while BTW). I agree that it seems very unlikely that if Ruslan was
trying to scam Sergej with a fake device that Ruslan would leave a plainly visible 5 inch
piece of insulated wire hanging part way out the ground wire connection hole. Ruslan would
have to be a complete idiot to do that. It does seem much more likely that Sergej soldered
that wire there later, but I wasn't there so I of course can't say for certain what actually happened there.
Misdirection is a key part of stage magic. When you are thinking that the magician has to be a complete idiot... that's when he is most likely to fool you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbNNK1WaCL8
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2018, 07:26:45 AM
The point is this phenomena exists and so do star people like it or not, and Criminals In Action Perhaps you should ask your questions to George Bush but then he can't handle the truth!  Jello whats that ? try putting jello or swamp gas in a plastic bag before nailing bag to wall. Military another word for satanic minions and control ;D ;D no pun

But here perhaps we should be concerned in keeping in phase with the earths resonance yeah ?
I like the way you think.

The Earth-plus-ionosphere is a big spherical capacitor. Where does the charge accumulate on a spherical capacitor?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 27, 2018, 08:15:40 AM
I like the way you think.

The Earth-plus-ionosphere is a big spherical capacitor. Where does the charge accumulate on a spherical capacitor?
Ha Ha ! between the surface of the outer sphere inner sphere (earth) and  inner surface of the outer sphere.
What you should be asking is how do you attract charged particles/electrons from one or the other charged surfaces with
a Tesla coil thats outputting AC ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 27, 2018, 10:22:45 AM
I think Tesla had Givenchy the answer in 1900
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 27, 2018, 10:25:10 AM
Look again at Kapa aquabox in garden. IT is ciężki
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 27, 2018, 10:34:24 AM
This thread has certainly come alive! Thanks again Wesley for the translation of Sergey's video plus schematics.
I find it quite amusing that the Ruslan layout provides for a latching relay placed very conveniently next to the ground wire entry point for easy termination of a concealed phase wire. Added to that, he sells the device to Sergey with clear evidence that a wire had been cleanly cut from the relay terminal and when Segey eventually soldered a 'hot' phase wire to the terminal, the device sprang into life! IMO, one has to be naive to think that Ruslan ever video demonstrated the device working without the phase wire connected. I see no evidence that Ruslan's device was ever genuine but increasing evidence that it was a faked self-runner.
Another observation: If the length of the ground wire is critical, presumably the length of both Ruslan's and Sergey's home pipework has to be taken into consideration?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 27, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
Look again at Kapa aquabox in garden. IT is ciężki
What are we looking for?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 27, 2018, 10:51:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 Lastest ruslan device, where is the hidden wire?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 27, 2018, 10:56:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8) Lastest ruslan device, where is the hidden wire?
If its done properly, you won't see it in a Youtube video.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 27, 2018, 11:34:29 AM
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If its done properly, you won't see it in a Youtube video

like this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKX9Om7Z4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKX9Om7Z4s)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 27, 2018, 11:38:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8) Lastest ruslan device, where is the hidden wire?


Yes! No hidden wire. Look especially how much static around. But device is light and and output also only 16W. Kapa had 2kW for such size because he had stronger fields

I once got it and even the chasis of car battery has a lot of static which light neon
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 27, 2018, 11:53:58 AM

Yes! No hidden wire. Look especially how much static around. But device is light and and output also only 16W. Kapa had 2kW for such size because he had stronger fields

I once got it and even the chasis of car battery has a lot of static which light neon
That's normal when working with HV and TC's. Bright HV lit neon lights are not power output level indicators.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 27, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
Look again at Kapa aquabox in garden. IT is ciężki
so it's heavy so ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2018, 01:24:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8) Lastest ruslan device, where is the hidden wire?
Remaining in my role as resident skeptic, I reply:

Hidden wire is not necessary when coil form is big enough for batteries containing plenty of energy to power the demonstration shown in the video. We only have the presenter's word that there are no lithium batteries inside the coil form.  Each separate demonstration doesn't need to use the same method of trickery.


16 watts of light power at 220 VAC, a little spark gap, some HV/HF all over the device, less than five minutes of working shown... no problem for a LiPo battery inside the form.

There are plenty of red herrings, as usual. The best red herring, though, as I've often said, is a real fish, and Ruslan appears to know this too, because the devices _do_ work, that is, they oscillate, produce HV, drive loads using the principle noted above by vasik041 and illustrated by my TKoil X, and so forth. When supplied with power, that is.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on July 27, 2018, 02:09:00 PM
so it's heavy so ?


lots of iron to produce very strong magnetic field
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on July 27, 2018, 03:17:27 PM
Quote
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8ABhb5wDJ8 Lastest ruslan device, where is the hidden wire?

Remaining in my role as resident skeptic, I reply:

Hidden wire is not necessary when coil form is big enough for batteries containing plenty of energy to power the demonstration shown in the video. We only have the presenter's word that there are no lithium batteries inside the coil form.  Each separate demonstration doesn't need to use the same method of trickery.


16 watts of light power at 220 VAC, a little spark gap, some HV/HF all over the device, less than five minutes of working shown... no problem for a LiPo battery inside the form.

There are plenty of red herrings, as usual. The best red herring, though, as I've often said, is a real fish, and Ruslan appears to know this too, because the devices _do_ work, that is, they oscillate, produce HV, drive loads using the principle noted above by vasik041 and illustrated by my TKoil X, and so forth. When supplied with power, that is.

True, its easy do drive  16 watt bulbs for a short while using HV discharges or resonant systems, single wire transmission is a possibility too, all of Ruslan demos can be faked by someone skilled in such art. If I would have a real FE device , then my demos would be long, outdoor, HD and detailed, showing all connections and even live streamed on YT.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 27, 2018, 05:44:32 PM
Remaining in my role as resident skeptic, I reply:

Hidden wire is not necessary when coil form is big enough for batteries containing plenty of energy to power the demonstration shown in the video. We only have the presenter's word that there are no lithium batteries inside the coil form.  Each separate demonstration doesn't need to use the same method of trickery.

My favourite is the Kapanadze Aqua 2 trick using the rather exotic ground wire - copper braided tube to conceal the phase / 'hot' wire.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 27, 2018, 07:37:18 PM
Wesley Where are you ? I ask if your in Latvia ? you do know there is a Lunar eclips just starting there !
Strange coincidence don't you think so. Or are you oblivious to cosmic forces but rely on them for energy  8)

https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2018-july-27

Good Luck AG
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 28, 2018, 01:09:33 AM
TK
Quote
Hidden wire is not necessary when coil form is big enough for batteries containing plenty of energy to power the demonstration shown in the video. We only have the presenter's word that there are no lithium batteries inside the coil form.  Each separate demonstration doesn't need to use the same method of trickery.

That is an interesting theory, so how would you explain T.H.Moray driving a 20 KW load from a box no bigger than 2 square feet, for hours on end in front of many credible witnesses, in the middle of nowhere at a random location using 1930's battery technology?. I understand they are different people from a different time in a different place however if your going to apply a bs hidden battery theory to every case then I would love to hear your theory on T.H.moray.

Do you have any idea of what it would take to generate 10 KW per cubic foot using conventional technology today in 2018?. I don't think you have any idea to be honest because even by today's standards it would be miraculous.

Then we have Daniel McFarland Cook using a few coils and an interrupter producing KW power levels in 1871. Do you understand the state of technology in 1871?, the automobile would not be invented for another 14 years, Tesla would not design his alternating-current electrical system for another 18 years. So did Cook generate KW power levels from hidden batteries in 1871 as well?. It's comical because a simple inventor from 1871 would seem to understand something all the rocket scientists and all the experts in 2018 cannot seem to grasp, as they say something so simple even a child could understand it. That has to sting a bit doesn't it?, everyone is a fucking genius... they just can't build anything that works.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 28, 2018, 02:52:13 AM
Sorry, don't want interrupt your entertainment, this is for those who interested in real thing...

Hello vasik041. Have you tested this?
If so, what kind of actual results are you seeing in your testing?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2018, 02:52:36 AM
TK
That is an interesting theory, so how would you explain T.H.Moray driving a 20 KW load from a box no bigger than 2 square feet, for hours on end in front of many credible witnesses, in the middle of nowhere at a random location using 1930's battery technology?. I understand they are different people from a different time in a different place however if your going to apply a bs hidden battery theory to every case then I would love to hear your theory on T.H.moray.
Show me his YouTube video and I'll theorize how he did it.  Because that is all I'm working with in my "interesting theory" above. Give me the actual device and I'll for sure tell you how it works.

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Do you have any idea of what it would take to generate 10 KW per cubic foot using conventional technology today in 2018?. I don't think you have any idea to be honest because even by today's standards it would be miraculous.
I can generate 10 kW per cubic foot using an ordinary car battery. Not for very long of course. Maybe you don't have any idea what I have ideas about. Or maybe you just don't know the difference between power and energy.
Quote
Then we have Daniel McFarland Cook using a few coils and an interrupter producing KW power levels in 1871. Do you understand the state of technology in 1871?, the automobile would not be invented for another 14 years, Tesla would not design his alternating-current electrical system for another 18 years. So did Cook generate KW power levels from hidden batteries in 1871 as well?. It's comical because a simple inventor from 1871 would seem to understand something all the rocket scientists and all the experts in 2018 cannot seem to grasp, as they say something so simple even a child could understand it. That has to sting a bit doesn't it?, everyone is a fucking genius... they just can't build anything that works.
That's right, it has to sting a bit. All these people all trying to build something and they keep failing. Like I said before... show me Cook's YouTube video and I'll tell you my theory of how it works. Show me the actual apparatus and I'll definitely tell you how it works. What... no video, no actual apparatus, just "reports"?  No wonder everybody keeps failing.

Heck, I've read lots of reports of a man rising from the dead three days after dying on a cross. Lots of people believe that. But nobody can actually verify it.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2018, 02:54:12 AM
Hello vasik041. Have you tested this?
If so, what kind of actual results are you seeing in your testing?
What his pdf shows is exactly what my TKoil X is doing. All except for the overunity of course. But it's easy to make overunity measurements on something like this.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 28, 2018, 04:00:36 AM
Show me his YouTube video and I'll theorize how he did it.  Because that is all I'm working with in my "interesting theory" above. Give me the actual device and I'll for sure tell you how it works.
I can generate 10 kW per cubic foot using an ordinary car battery. Not for very long of course. Maybe you don't have any idea what I have ideas about. Or maybe you just don't know the difference between power and energy.That's right, it has to sting a bit. All these people all trying to build something and they keep failing. Like I said before... show me Cook's YouTube video and I'll tell you my theory of how it works. Show me the actual apparatus and I'll definitely tell you how it works. What... no video, no actual apparatus, just "reports"?  No wonder everybody keeps failing.
Well Don Smith managed it and Henry Moray did too!

Heck, I've read lots of reports of a man rising from the dead three days after dying on a cross. Lots of people believe that. But nobody can actually verify it.
Perhaps! your not getting mixed up with the Sun that's Said to dye on the 'southern cross' around christmas for 3 days
and then starts going again as the illusion of the sun rises again ? sounds familiar some how, can't think why. Perhaps the info has all got mixed up who knows.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: vasik041 on July 28, 2018, 06:44:09 AM
Hello vasik041. Have you tested this?
If so, what kind of actual results are you seeing in your testing?
Hello Void,This not my main research path, I work with magnetic fields.But yes, I made some experiments, there is definitely current in ground wire... and this make some people very nervous :)
Regards,-V.
PS Take a minute and read attached article, it's same principle but ionization achieved in a different way.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: vasik041 on July 28, 2018, 06:47:50 AM
What his pdf shows is exactly what my TKoil X is doing. All except for the overunity of course. But it's easy to make overunity measurements on something like this.
With all respect to you TinselKoala, your system is different.You are very smart guy, I do not believe that you do not understand it, so please don't mislead people  :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 28, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
Hello Void,This not my main research path, I work with magnetic fields.But yes, I made some experiments, there is definitely current in ground wire... and this make some people very nervous :)
Regards,-V.
PS Take a minute and read attached article, it's same principle but ionization achieved in a different way.

Hi vasik041. That's an interesting article. Thanks for that.
Discharging the static charge in the air to ground to produce steady electricity.
It seems it would take a lot of balloons to even power a very small town, but still pretty cool!

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 28, 2018, 07:58:53 AM
Note: today, few hours  after I posted  here link to  video from above, my video was  removed by YouTube.

Hi Wesley. The message I get when I try to view that video says the video was blocked on 
'copyright grounds' because it 'contains content from UMG'. I'm not sure what UMG is,
but it might be 'Universal Music Group':
https://www.universalmusic.com/
It sounds like maybe your video was blocked because it contains copyrighted music from UMG.
It is odd that that it was blocked today however after being up for so long.  :o

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on July 28, 2018, 08:20:30 AM
Hi Wesley. The message I get when I try to view that video says the video was blocked on 
'copyright grounds' because it 'contains content from UMG'. I'm not sure what UMG is,
but it might be 'Universal Music Group':
https://www.universalmusic.com/ (https://www.universalmusic.com/)
It sounds like maybe your video was blocked because it contains copyrighted music from UMG.
It is odd that that it was blocked today however after being up for so long.  :o
Yes you right.
This video was on line for 5 months and no problems.
  Jan 27, 2018 8:41 PM  Music was "creative common license  reuse allowed " so it was allowed to be used by Youtube  rules
that music was on line for few years on YouTube video I took it from.
So I was in line with YouTube.
There was nothing on me  qualified as wrong doing.
So it looks like  Trolls work . But again for Troll or employ of Youtube in Russia  to tamper with Youtube rules and  fabricate it as violation  now is another  evidence in court.
Court may give order to track origin of complain.
A month ago Trolls made my video  about Guska death  18+. I won the case after  6 hours. 
Also I was asked  on my last video comment by Russian guy with broken English  :
       
Quote
VOYAGE  21 hours ago   Wesley, where is the background sound do u getting?
I have checked  his channel, But you never know who he works for.

So  I need to explain it to youtube  now and if they do not listen to me than file in court case against
YouTube asking Russian bloggers scrutinized the same way to join me.
My video was about corruption in Russian  YouTube so that is  possible coveup of  intentional fraudulent activity,corruption, discrimination and  even targeted molestation.
So we may be having class action case and media interest.
we will see.
Lawyers will cost me nothing...  I know how to do it.
Wesley

 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 28, 2018, 09:07:05 AM
vasik041

Thank you for the interesting article, I have studied Plauson's work.

Around 40 years ago when I was a young man I noticed a thunder storm about 10 miles away approaching our farm. Our 40 foot tower with a TV antenna also happened to have a broken ground strap. In the dead calm before the storm I remember hearing a load buzzing noise and found a thick 1" blue arc breaking across the broken ground strap.

Strange isn't it?, the layman would have us believe there is no power in the atmosphere but here was a near continuous thick blue 1" long arc jumping to ground from a relatively short tower in the dead calm... before the storm. I suppose seeing is believing but it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to find more creative means to produce similar effects in fair weather at the lower voltage of 100 V/m. If we know the energy is there and it is then it's simply a matter of approaching the problem from a different perspective. Do we simply allow the energy to flow at it's own rate to ground or can we increase the rate of conduction through other means?.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 28, 2018, 09:17:42 AM
Hi vasik041. That's an interesting article. Thanks for that.
Discharging the static charge in the air to ground to produce steady electricity.
It seems it would take a lot of balloons to even power a very small town, but still pretty cool!
That's the idea of the HV static potential !  then you don't need balloons.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: vasik041 on July 28, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Do we simply allow the energy to flow at it's own rate to ground or can we increase the rate of conduction through other means?.
Power depends on voltage and current. Putting "antenna" higher will increase voltage. Ionizing air around "antenna" increase current.
Here a link to an article with good explanation of this idea http://www.sciteclibrary.ru/rus/catalog/pages/9331.html. Perhaps Wesley can make proper translation, meanwhile you can use google translate
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciteclibrary.ru%2Frus%2Fcatalog%2Fpages%2F9331.html
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: lifeforce-energy on July 28, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
Hi Wesley, Your Youtube Video has been blocked in Australia today due to music copyright reasons, which I suspect
there has been an instance of using music which they recognise that already belongs to someone else.
If you remove the music soundtrack, and upload again then you should be fine.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 28, 2018, 12:25:38 PM
TK
That is an interesting theory, so how would you explain T.H.Moray driving a 20 KW load from a box no bigger than 2 square feet, for hours on end in front of many credible witnesses, in the middle of nowhere at a random location using 1930's battery technology?. I understand they are different people from a different time in a different place however if your going to apply a bs hidden battery theory to every case then I would love to hear your theory on T.H.moray.

Do you have any idea of what it would take to generate 10 KW per cubic foot using conventional technology today in 2018?. I don't think you have any idea to be honest because even by today's standards it would be miraculous.

Then we have Daniel McFarland Cook using a few coils and an interrupter producing KW power levels in 1871. Do you understand the state of technology in 1871?, the automobile would not be invented for another 14 years, Tesla would not design his alternating-current electrical system for another 18 years. So did Cook generate KW power levels from hidden batteries in 1871 as well?. It's comical because a simple inventor from 1871 would seem to understand something all the rocket scientists and all the experts in 2018 cannot seem to grasp, as they say something so simple even a child could understand it. That has to sting a bit doesn't it?, everyone is a fucking genius... they just can't build anything that works.

He simply can not explain :) . Simple like that, because is beyond their understanding .
T.H.Moray was a visionary and their devices are based on processes that scientists who have witnessed the hundreds of demonstrations have never found a solution to justify the power of the device working for hours. Among these scientists was a well-known Harvey Fletcher.

Perhaps TK can formulate a hypothesis of how Thomas Moray could do such demonstrations live and in 1925 , in a time where is not easy have available components and batteries of high power.
He is good at theorizing, perhaps,we could have an answer from him on this subject and a possible justification to such device  works .

PS- I forgot, that TK no longer makes tassels, maybe a cheese burger? lol

Cumpliments
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 28, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
He simply can not explain :) . Simple like that, because is beyond their understanding .
T.H.Moray was a visionary and their devices are based on processes that scientists who have witnessed the hundreds of demonstrations have never found a solution to justify the power of the device working for hours. Among these scientists was a well-known Harvey Fletcher.

Perhaps TK can formulate a hypothesis of how Thomas Moray could do such demonstrations live and in 1925 , in a time where is not easy have available components and batteries of high power.
He is good at theorizing, perhaps,we could have an answer from him on this subject and a possible justification to such device  works .

PS- I forgot, that TK no longer makes tassels, maybe a cheese burger? lol

Cumpliments
Hi Nelson! may be we should be aware,  Too much red meat and cheese can cause cardio vascular dementure !
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 28, 2018, 07:28:37 PM
Hello Nelson
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He simply can not explain :) . Simple like that, because is beyond their understanding .
T.H.Moray was a visionary and their devices are based on processes that scientists who have witnessed the hundreds of demonstrations have never found a solution to justify the power of the device working for hours. Among these scientists was a well-known Harvey Fletcher.

Do you think they will ever get it?, here is something interesting I think you may like.

The Caduceus staff of Hermes Trismegistus. Hermes(Son of Zeus) Trismegistus(the master of three).
Note the layout, a central top loaded coil with secondary emitters depicted as wings. The two coils depicted as snakes originally joined at the bottom, spiraling upwards to the snake heads gapped from the central coil near 1/4 length down from the top load. This layout was joined to a long staff, pointed at the bottom, to be held by the operator. Originally this apparatus came out of Sumer, Sumeria, the earliest known civilization around 5500 B.C. as a healing device.

As you can see the layout is very advanced because it solves multiple problems all in one instance and has an obvious lack of external components. Absolute simplicity is absolute genius in my opinion.

Of course to most everyone else all this means absolutely nothing however we can work through the process. Which begs the question... where in the hell did the Sumerians get this technology?. How did the earliest known civilization come to possess technology unknown to modern man?. It then found it's way to the Egyptians and the Greeks showing up as many different variations on this same theme. To my knowledge it then disappeared into history when the Egyptian and Greek empires fell.

Take note of the history... certain groups of intellectuals have always advanced much faster than the rest of mankind. There knowledge spread slowly however it was always interrupted by the ignorant masses, the barbarian hordes consumed by false beliefs and greed. I see this today and suspect history is due to repeat itself once again as this dark ages, populist revolt against science, reason and common sense takes hold.

It would seem the very old has become new again and I have a sneaking suspicion most of what people have been told or come to believe in regards to our history is bs, a fabrication. It is well enough that a few understand because I suspect that if everyone knew the truth this strange alternate reality they have created for themselves would come crashing down all around them. It is not for them, it is for those who are willing to put all there beliefs aside and see things for what they are here in reality.

Hell most people cannot even get a joule thief working properly... why would they think they could possibly understand this?. It boggles the mind.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 29, 2018, 06:06:21 AM
With all respect to you TinselKoala, your system is different.You are very smart guy, I do not believe that you do not understand it, so please don't mislead people  :)
Is it possible that you don't understand what I've shown in my several TKoil X demonstrations? Each of your coil loading illustrations in the pdf you posted are implemented, one way or another, in those demonstrations. Of course I'm not using a primitive Kacher circuit but a different kind of autoresonator. But the coil and load wirings I use are connected the same and do the same things that you show in your various circuits. And some others have used apparatus I have built, to go even further. My focus is on stressing space rather than using the Earth's ionospheric potential directly so I don't use the elevated antenna -- for the moment my source is provided by me, across intervening space, not by the Earth.

Unlike some others on this thread, I am misleading nobody. Everything I say and do in these rooms is fully detailed and completely replicable by anyone with the knowledge and skill to do it. My records are complete and nothing is hidden. The things I build, and show others how to build, work, in my laboratory and everywhere else on Earth.


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: TinselKoala on July 29, 2018, 06:14:47 AM
He simply can not explain :) . Simple like that, because is beyond their understanding .
Ah --- but of course YOU can explain, because those devices are within your understanding. Right? LOL.... why are you back, Nelson? Still looking for something you can cash in on?
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T.H.Moray was a visionary and their devices are based on processes that scientists who have witnessed the hundreds of demonstrations have never found a solution to justify the power of the device working for hours. Among these scientists was a well-known Harvey Fletcher.

Perhaps TK can formulate a hypothesis of how Thomas Moray could do such demonstrations live and in 1925 , in a time where is not easy have available components and batteries of high power.
He is good at theorizing, perhaps,we could have an answer from him on this subject and a possible justification to such device  works .
I feel no need to theorize about a legend, where nothing exists today except some newspaper stories. Just a hundred years before, 12 men honest and true swore that they saw the gold plates of the Book of Mormon that the angel Moroni gave to Joseph Smith for translation. Do you think that actually happened? Lots of people do.
I'll leave the wild theorizing to folks like you Nelson, you seem to get a big kick out of it.

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PS- I forgot, that TK no longer makes tassels, maybe a cheese burger? lol

Cumpliments
Tassels? You have no clue, Nelson, no clue at all.  Have you got your legal problems revolving around your false claims all straightened out yet?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 29, 2018, 08:34:40 AM
Ah --- but of course YOU can explain, because those devices are within your understanding. Right? LOL.... why are you back, Nelson? Still looking for something you can cash in on?I feel no need to theorize about a legend, where nothing exists today except some newspaper stories. Just a hundred years before, 12 men honest and true swore that they saw the gold plates of the Book of Mormon that the angel Moroni gave to Joseph Smith for translation. Do you think that actually happened? Lots of people do.
I'll leave the wild theorizing to folks like you Nelson, you seem to get a big kick out of it.
Tassels? You have no clue, Nelson, no clue at all.  Have you got your legal problems revolving around your false claims all straightened out yet?

Ah --- but of course YOU can explain, because those devices are within your understanding. Right? LOL.... why are you back, Nelson? Still looking for something you can cash in on?


For the general knowledge of the people here in the forum, if there is someone who has made cash over the years in this forum through equipment and donations, it was you, not me .
Can you prove that I've ever used this or another forum to make money? Surely you can not do it, now the opposite ........
but you continue to be equal to yourself, with that inner bitterness and the way you express yourself to people.


I feel no need to theorize about a legend, where nothing exists today except some newspaper stories. Just a hundred years before, 12 men honest and true swore that they saw the gold plates of the Book of Mormon that the angel Moroni gave to Joseph Smith for translation. Do you think that actually happened? Lots of people do.
I'll leave the wild theorizing to folks like you Nelson, you seem to get a big kick out of it.

Ohhhhh  Thomas Moray is really a legend , and you think that is not need theorize about subject, hmmmm so are you admit that you could not explain how he able to made such presentations demos . I could assume that is far from your knowledge  nothing more.
And just  now that I thought I could hear your theory on this subject ....




Tassels? You have no clue, Nelson, no clue at all. Have you got your legal problems revolving around your false claims all straightened out yet?

Is this a personal attack? What legal problems are you implying about me? And what false claims are you referring to?
Do you have proof of anything ilegal about myself? Or do you want to denigrate my image?
You are just only a lower person make false acusations, like you already did to other users in this forum in the past, along with some elements of your failed dream team .

If you have something to say specifically about my legal problems or false claims, why do not you point them out so everyone knows?
Dont make false acusations about my personal values and integrity.
Decide about that and after i will take the right legal steps about your insinuations .
You do not need to go down so low, it seems bad to use this technique just to justify some bitter of mouth. Behave like an adult and argue with true arguments, not lies.


Have a nice day
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 29, 2018, 01:01:19 PM
History repeat...again ...

 http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/ (http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 29, 2018, 01:32:49 PM
Acca your post very interesting.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 29, 2018, 02:54:41 PM
I tell what Nelson, send me what you have, EVERY detail, every side note, everything, with my equipment and some friends at University of Mobile's EE dept. if I can do it, I will endorse with backup data presented by my buds at MU

this should end any problems, however.......

if my findings and the findings of my friends should prove otherwise, perhaps this is not the place for you, no professional or even a legit hobbyist, is going to try and convince others of their thing without putting their credibility on the line, provability !!!

put up or shut up
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 29, 2018, 03:35:44 PM
I tell what Nelson, send me what you have, EVERY detail, every side note, everything, with my equipment and some friends at University of Mobile's EE dept. if I can do it, I will endorse with backup data presented by my buds at MU

this should end any problems, however.......

if my findings and the findings of my friends should prove otherwise, perhaps this is not the place for you, no professional or even a legit hobbyist, is going to try and convince others of their thing without putting their credibility on the line, provability !!!

put up or shut up
You will be very lucky:
But you know where you stand with nelson ! he has made some good stuff on the professional front  :)
 this is his site https://www.youtube.com/user/batraquioo0
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 29, 2018, 04:09:00 PM
TK and jhewitt03041976: Wrong forum. The debunkers evangelist revival meeting is over in the next building... ;)
Crikey... Chill out guys.


Hello Nelson. It's nice to see you are still posting here. How are things?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 29, 2018, 04:18:07 PM
I tell what Nelson, send me what you have, EVERY detail, every side note, everything, with my equipment and some friends at University of Mobile's EE dept. if I can do it, I will endorse with backup data presented by my buds at MU

this should end any problems, however.......

if my findings and the findings of my friends should prove otherwise, perhaps this is not the place for you, no professional or even a legit hobbyist, is going to try and convince others of their thing without putting their credibility on the line, provability !!!

put up or shut up

I do not really know who you are, but I do not remember asking for any help for anything during my speech in the previous post.
Did i ask aproval or any opinion about any of the systems i develop to you or anyone in this forum ? NO . If i want to do that i will open a topic about that .
What I have or do not have is not related to the reason I intervened. We are talk about diferent subjects We are not ?

I also believe that there is nothing you can do for me, but I thank you.
besides, I  never tried to convince people about any particular subject of my research or work.

So my question to you is exactly what is the objective of your proposal?
What you know about me and my work to ask me to i share with you and your friends to be validated ? You dont no nothing about me .
 And after you say to i Put up or shut up ???????  this is a joke ?

There are people on this forum who create fictitious emails just to flush out the verbal diarrhea that's on their mind. I hope that is not your case, because there are some elements in this forum that were banned for misconduct, which at this time would be here defending TK in an asserimate way like virgins offended.

Hope you all the best

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 29, 2018, 04:27:16 PM
TK and jhewitt03041976: Wrong forum. The debunkers evangelist revival meeting is over in the next building... ;)
Crikey... Chill out guys.


Hello Nelson. It's nice to see you are still posting here. How are things?

HI void thanks by ask , i'm ok and hope you goes well to,  but not so good with last  commentary of TK .

 But I should have been accustomed to his bouts of brain diarrhea.
Nothing that surprises me coming from him. After all, anyone who knows him, knows his behavior for the best and the worst, and it seems that these crises have lately come back.
Life continue :)

cheers


Nelson Rocha

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 29, 2018, 04:37:15 PM
TK and jhewitt03041976: Wrong forum. The debunkers evangelist revival meeting is over in the next building... ;)
Crikey... Chill out guys.


Hello Nelson. It's nice to see you are still posting here. How are things?

I'm not interested in debunking anything at all, in fact because of my resources here and with friends at UM, I'm considering starting a business involving testing of designs for people like us, a certification from an instructor at a well known college looks pretty good on a presentation :)

no, I'm all about proving people RIGHT, I want it all to be true, alas much are not, it seemed things were getting pretty heated with another person/s here, so I just wanted to put it to rest, perhaps I worded myself improperly, came off wrong, but I just see way too much of daytime drama/soap opera crap going on here when it's "supposed" to be about people getting together to help each other, like several episodes of "The Young and The Restless Inventors" every day

I had to disappear for a while, I started to make great strides in a few projects and just didn't have the time to look in, but I had come on a great success and am trying to scale it up from a working novelty to a large enough functional model to get people's attention, been making friends around here in the colleges in Mobile, AL, and some interns and assistants ant a local news network who are close to some of the on air guys (ok, he's the head meteorologist, but as a person of science, if my friends can just get him to look and watch what I have in action, he will be able to convince his bosses to have me come in on some Saturday morning and have one of those 5 minute "interest piece" interviews.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 29, 2018, 05:14:10 PM
Nelson Rocha

Guess i owe you an apology Nelson, i did not express myself professionally, "DAMN IT JIM, I'M AN INVENTOR, NOT A SALESMAN !!!" (jk), yah, sometimes i miss speak my good intentions, I'm human, at least i have the honor to admit my mistakes, my intention was never to dought or question, just the opposite, but that aside, hope can be buds one day
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 29, 2018, 05:29:09 PM
Guess i owe you an apology Nelson, i did not express myself professionally, "DAMN IT JIM, I'M AN INVENTOR, NOT A SALESMAN !!!" (jk), yah, sometimes i miss speak my good intentions, I'm human, at least i have the honor to admit my mistakes, my intention was never to dought or question, just the opposite, but that aside, hope can be buds one day


Hello Jim, you do not have to apologize to me , we are really human and full of imperfections including myself.
we can only grow with the experience of making mistakes. No hard feelings.
Good luck to your research.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 29, 2018, 05:31:59 PM
@jhewitt. Ok on that. Your project sounds interesting.


@Nelson:

I think TK can get carried away with his skepticism sometimes, but he
appears to have good solid theoretical knowledge and great circuit building skills.
My circuit building skills are mediocre at best, and I forget a lot more theory than I can remember. ;)

All is going OK with me. Been really busy the last 6 months or so
with work related stuff, but trying to find more time for experimenting again now.
I am getting back to continue with some experiments I had started about 6 months ago.
I blew the display in my scope out last winter I think during a HV experiment when I inadvertently
disconnected the earth connection from my scope probe with the scope probe center lead still connected to
a HV capacitor. I am limping along with a cheapo PC based USB scope right now that has one
channel working. :D Will have to get a new and better scope as soon as I can afford it.


Are Rigol scopes the best bang for the buck these days without spending an arm and a leg for a scope?
I want to get something that is quite decent quality without having to spend a fortune... :)
My previous Siglent scope had a circuit glitch where it would give false readings on certain voltage range
settings with switching circuits. I want to try to avoid a scope that may give false readings if at all possible. :D

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 29, 2018, 06:10:54 PM
@jhewitt. Ok on that. Your project sounds interesting.


@Nelson:

I think TK can get carried away with his skepticism sometimes, but he
appears to have good solid theoretical knowledge and great circuit building skills.
My circuit building skills are mediocre at best, and I forget a lot more theory than I can remember. ;)

All is going OK with me. Been really busy the last 6 months or so
with work related stuff, but trying to find more time for experimenting again now.
I am getting back to continue with some experiments I had started about 6 months ago.
I blew the display in my scope out last winter I think during a HV experiment when I inadvertently
disconnected the earth connection from my scope probe with the scope probe center lead still connected to
a HV capacitor. I am limping along with a cheapo PC based USB scope right now that has one
channel working. :D Will have to get a new and better scope as soon as I can afford it.


Are Rigol scopes the best bang for the buck these days without spending an arm and a leg for a scope?
I want to get something that is quite decent quality without having to spend a fortune... :)
My previous Siglent scope had a circuit glitch where it would give false readings on certain voltage range
settings with switching circuits. I want to try to avoid a scope that may give false readings if at all possible. :D

Void i recognize to TK  knowledge and great circuit building skills but we are not talking only about that and you know what i’m referring .

About the scope i will advice to you prefer tektronix  i know they have a more affordable scopes available at moment . I really don't like Rigoli because some problems that i have with the equipaments when i use in German workshop . Almost need to be repaired .
The only thing i like about Rigoli is technical support ; everytime everything run ok during the process of repair in Rigoli .The best scope you could have to high freq switching and HV maybe could be a analog scope but is my opinion ;now here is a question that TK can help you given your experience with oscilloscope. :) lol
Good luck in your search Void

cheers

Nelson Rocha

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 29, 2018, 06:19:28 PM
About the scope i will advice to you prefer tektronix  i know they have a more affordable scopes available at moment . I really don't like Rigoli because some problems that i have with the equipaments when i use in German workshop . Almost need to be repaired .
The only thing i like about Rigoli is technical support ; everytime everything run ok during the process of repair in Rigoli .The best scope you could have to high freq switching and HV maybe could be a analog scope but is my opinion ;now here is a question that TK can help you given your experience with oscilloscope. :) lol

Thanks Nelson. Sounds like maybe Rigol is not much better quality-wise than a Siglent scope.
Yes, Tektronix would be really good if I can find a fairly new one that I can afford. :)

Nelson, do you have anything interesting you are experimenting with lately?

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 29, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
Quote
I had to disappear for a while, I started to make great strides in a few projects and just didn't have the time to look in, but I had come on a great success and am trying to scale it up from a working novelty to a large enough functional model to get people's attention, been making friends around here in the colleges in Mobile, AL, and some interns and assistants ant a local news network who are close to some of the on air guys (ok, he's the head meteorologist, but as a person of science, if my friends can just get him to look and watch what I have in action, he will be able to convince his bosses to have me come in on some Saturday morning and have one of those 5 minute "interest piece" interviews.

That's awesome and I have seen hundreds of "interest pieces" over the years. Unfortunately all the people involved fall off the face of the Earth and are never heard from again. Brilliant plan however it has one tragic flaw.

You have made the false assumption that you can reason with the ignorant masses when there is no logic nor reason in them. I mean if you like death threats, harassment and bullets flying through your windows then go for it otherwise your just pissing in the wind. Have you done any research into the history of this technology?. 

Let me explain where your at, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the whole universe from absolutely nothing in six days because he loves them and he promised them eternal life as a god in heaven. Many believe a slick used car salesman who talks and acts like a six year old named Trump who is also a compulsive liar is there savior. Many believe fossil fuels will always be used and it is the natural order of things and they want keep burning shit until there is nothing left.

It is far more likely that a bunch of burly unshaven men in white dresses with torches and pitchforks will knock on your door in the middle of the night than anyone will give a shit what you have to say. But hey... go for it if you want.

The intelligent option is to only associate with your own kind who think and operate on the same level. Form groups of intelligent like minded people for research and experiment. Develop technology then build and sell real working technology to real people who are not self-serving psychopaths completely lacking in empathy for other people. You know the solution... there is power in numbers however you must choose which numbers carefully.

I find it strange that everyone is always trying to convince or persuade other people their personal belief is correct. Why not prove it?. Develop it, build it, sell it and the fact that it works is proof in itself.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 29, 2018, 06:37:33 PM
Thanks Nelson. Sounds like maybe Rigol is not much better quality-wise than a Siglent scope.
Yes, Tektronix would be really good if I can find a fairly new one that I can afford. :)

Nelson, do you have anything interesting you are experimenting with lately?

Void I think is really a better choice you buy a Tektronix .
About experimenting , i don't have nothing new . I have some approaches from some partners to start a new project but nothing decided until now .
I want to materialize a old ideia that i never finished . Maybe if i don't reach a agreement to a new professional project i could forward to that personal project of the pancake dielectric transformer . We will see ;) what happens .

All the best


Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: ramset on July 29, 2018, 06:38:28 PM
and then there is the "other" side of that story, the Scientific perspective [thx to member Reiyuki  for "jokes"

snip
Energy cannot arise from nothing!
Well, except for this one time...     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang)

---------------------------------------------------------

There is no perpetual motion!
.... except for the orbitals of every atomic element in the universe...    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital)   
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 29, 2018, 07:12:09 PM
and then there is the "other" side of that story, the Scientific perspective [thx to member Reiyuki  for "jokes"

snip
Energy cannot arise from nothing!
Well, except for this one time...     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang)

---------------------------------------------------------

There is no perpetual motion!
.... except for the orbitals of every atomic element in the universe...    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital)
Yeah! one problem with that, you can't have nothing, nothing is always something! and then there is dark matter, what ever that is
is any ones guess but what is known about it is it's pulling the universe apart, fun ain'it ;)
Free energy is a charge in the atmosphere between earth and ionosphere from solar winds, tap into it one way or another and never buy another KW of power again!
Fun ain'it
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 29, 2018, 07:38:39 PM
Void I think is really a better choice you buy a Tektronix .
About experimenting , i don't have nothing new . I have some approaches from some partners to start a new project but nothing decided until now .
I want to materialize a old ideia that i never finished . Maybe if i don't reach a agreement to a new professional project i could forward to that personal project of the pancake dielectric transformer . We will see ;) what happens .
All the best
Nelson Rocha

Hi Nelson. Yes a Tektronix would be good if I can find one I can afford. :D
Ok on your projects. You have had some really interesting projects in the last few years.
Maybe I will make a video demo one day if I ever come up with something I think is noteworthy...
All the best.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 29, 2018, 07:48:08 PM
That's awesome and I have seen hundreds of "interest pieces" over the years. Unfortunately all the people involved fall off the face of the Earth and are never heard from again. Brilliant plan however it has one tragic flaw.

You have made the false assumption that you can reason with the ignorant masses when there is no logic nor reason in them. I mean if you like death threats, harassment and bullets flying through your windows then go for it otherwise your just pissing in the wind. Have you done any research into the history of this technology?. 

Let me explain where your at, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the whole universe from absolutely nothing in six days because he loves them and he promised them eternal life as a god in heaven. Many believe a slick used car salesman who talks and acts like a six year old named Trump who is also a compulsive liar is there savior. Many believe fossil fuels will always be used and it is the natural order of things and they want keep burning shit until there is nothing left.

It is far more likely that a bunch of burly unshaven men in white dresses with torches and pitchforks will knock on your door in the middle of the night than anyone will give a shit what you have to say. But hey... go for it if you want.

The intelligent option is to only associate with your own kind who think and operate on the same level. Form groups of intelligent like minded people for research and experiment. Develop technology then build and sell real working technology to real people who are not self-serving psychopaths completely lacking in empathy for other people. You know the solution... there is power in numbers however you must choose which numbers carefully.

I find it strange that everyone is always trying to convince or persuade other people their personal belief is correct. Why not prove it?. Develop it, build it, sell it and the fact that it works is proof in itself.

Actually, as i pointed, i had made a small ver., but i don't do half measures, when i do let the monster out of it's cage, it's not going to be a roach sized one to be so easily squished, i don't mind using it to charge my other tablet in 13 hours, but if i can't scale it up, it's useless for two reasons, people will think it's a sham and no one in my plan will want to look at it, much less talk about it on air. will there be witch trials ? Hell yah, even bad press is good press, if i can prove it can be done large scale, it will inspire others, make some non-believers question, but it will be seen and the more people who try to denounce, the more it will be seen as real.

BTW.....what in that old robed, white bearded man's name makes you think i intend on selling it, i intend on letting anyone who wants to DIY it, go for it, make as many improvements, ect. but it will be out there for anyone to want and it will be CHEAP & SAFE !!!

That is my mission, screw the money
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: sadang on July 29, 2018, 08:24:53 PM
Please all stop polluting this topic, whatever the reason, with a lot of useless words, and let Wesley do his work here.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 29, 2018, 11:15:57 PM
Crikey... A person has to ask them self, if they have things to share relating to FE experimentation, why would they share it here?
I know I could share a fair bit more here about some interesting things I have seen in my own experimenting, but then
I have to ask myself, why? It will either go ignored (yes, it appears the more potentially significant something is, the more
likely it will be ignored by many) , or people will complain that you are not posting things that exactly meets their expectations,
or you will be insulted or attacked, or others who sit in the background may just take what you have shared and disappear, and
not contribute anything back.  So again, why would anyone share useful info here? That's meant as a rhetorical question... :)
End of'pollution'... ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 30, 2018, 01:57:54 AM
I added one thing as an example of how much I look for others successes also (my project), but I've actually been trying to let it go, some others, seem to not want me,

 I guess I should flip on the ignore switch
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 30, 2018, 07:57:06 AM
Quote
BTW.....what in that old robed, white bearded man's name makes you think i intend on selling it, i intend on letting anyone who wants to DIY it, go for it, make as many improvements, ect. but it will be out there for anyone to want and it will be CHEAP & SAFE !!!

Why wouldn't you build it and sell it?.

I was suggesting we do the same thing as the open source community did with 3D printers. The open source community built it, they started selling them to prove the technology works and gave everyone the plans. Everyone cannot build a 3D printer which is why they sell them as kits and working units. I own a Prusa 3D printer and they are awesome for prototyping.

You and most others make the mistake of assuming this is an all or nothing proposition when it is not. Josef Prusa developed one of the first inexpensive modular open source 3D printers and also gave away the plans and he is now a millionaire with a thriving company. His belief is mine as well ... build it, sell it, give away the plans and compete in the market like everyone else for the common good.

Successful people do what works and copy the success of other people. They do not keep repeating the same mistakes over and over expecting a different result... that's stupid. Look at who succeeded in open source startup's, how they succeeded and why then copy them.




Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 30, 2018, 10:31:49 AM
Please all stop polluting this topic, whatever the reason, with a lot of useless words, and let Wesley do his work here.
Hmm - much waffling going on while awaiting Wesley's verdict on whether Ruslan's devices are genuine or fake.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 12:30:03 PM
Hmm - much waffling going on while awaiting Wesley's verdict on whether Ruslan's devices are genuine or fake.
Hoppy haven't you figured it out yet ? thing is if he cheats in his apartment DOES NOT MEAN THE IDEA don't work.
I think we have been led up garden path a good bit.
If you cast your mind back Roma had a large tube type device How do you think that worked ? Like Rusland's
new suit case see through top version ? could well be  ;D

Hoppy you blocked me ! what did i say ? ;D ;D  'Void' you do have a V strong  point.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 30, 2018, 02:33:43 PM

I think we have been led up garden path a good bit.
That's an understatement!  ;D There's a distinct chance of thread death once the waffle subsides.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 02:55:59 PM
That's an understatement!  ;D There's a distinct chance of thread death once the waffle subsides.
It depends, we have a lot of good information in these pages all the time the game was never given away.
The Ruslan device would newer work in a flat or apartment or would it ? and you were right the answer could well
be so ridiculously simple !   ;D ;D ;D ;D giving up now when you might almost have it ?   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 30, 2018, 02:56:49 PM
Why wouldn't you build it and not sell it?

... build it, sell it, give away the plans and compete in the market like everyone else for the common good.

I don't want to be Donald Trump or Mark Zuckerburg, I clearly said, "screw the money", I am in it to give it away, it needs to be available for anyone, sure, I want credit, will help me get funding for R&D on some of my other projects, but people need options, big power is a monopoly and most of America is not price regulated, they charge whatever they want and during months of weather extremes, (hot and cold highs) they purposely jack up those prices.....because "women (or kids), can't live with them, can't live without them", but electricity.......you can NOT live without unless you want to live in a cabin in the woods in a lifestyle of a hundred years ago, big oil is pretty much the same, by my giving the designs all away to anyone and everyone, retail will create more powerful and better, but be FORCED to keep the prices down since they will have competition from a thousand other nobody or mass retail companies willing to keep prices super low.....can you imagine buying a 2KWH generator at Wal-Mart ? "Equate Reciprocal Portable Generator...$199"

plus Tesla won't be able to compete if all cars from regular cars have gasless, no battery eCars,

no, I'm not about the money, I want to just help everyone DIY their own cheap and have a cleaner Earth too.

you want money, kool, people need money to live, my current income is good for my lifestyle, so go for it, take the designs I release, make a business online selling DIY generator kits, I'm kool with that, but I refuse to be that person who creates a thing then tries to get rich off of it, I believe in free energy, not very free if people have to get financing to just buy one
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 03:55:55 PM
I have seen the adds too enough times 'The American way' is to get some thing for nothing and process it and screw every one for as much as a person can! both oil and banks handling money and then there is the military and it's defense strategy, but to clinch it all NASA published a white paper saying the people are the enemy !
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 30, 2018, 04:24:57 PM
Ah you want credit, for What?, the intent is no different than money. You didn't invent anything anymore than anyone else did you?. Like everyone else in history we borrowed ideas and concepts from others.
When they ask me where I got it you can be sure I will give credit where credit is due. I will say I didn't invent anything, it was thousands of inventors like Moray, Tesla, Hendershot, Figuera and others.

Power, fame and fortune are weakness cut from the same cloth in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 04:25:20 PM

I don't want to be Donald Trump or Mark Zuckerburg, I clearly said, "screw the money", I am in it to give it away, it needs to be available for anyone, sure, I want credit, will help me get funding for R&D on some of my other projects, but people need options, big power is a monopoly and most of America is not price regulated, they charge whatever they want and during months of weather extremes, (hot and cold highs) they purposely jack up those prices.....because "women (or kids), can't live with them, can't live without them", but electricity.......you can NOT live without unless you want to live in a cabin in the woods in a lifestyle of a hundred years ago, big oil is pretty much the same, by my giving the designs all away to anyone and everyone, retail will create more powerful and better, but be FORCED to keep the prices down since they will have competition from a thousand other nobody or mass retail companies willing to keep prices super low.....can you imagine buying a 2KWH generator at Wal-Mart ? "Equate Reciprocal Portable Generator...$199"

There are a few over looked problems with this idea
All the research has been done on this, it's just 'hidden'.
People wont be able to make them from kit's none will ever work and they would be lethal to set up
plus you would need training and expensive equipment,  and if not set up right could kill or fry your
flesh or brain in the hands of a NOVICE.

plus Tesla won't be able to compete if all cars from regular cars have gasless, no battery eCars,
The E car would be a contradiction it will only ever run of batteries, you should know or find out why!

no, I'm not about the money, I want to just help everyone DIY their own cheap and have a cleaner Earth too.
Very GOOD !
you want money, kool, people need money to live, my current income is good for my lifestyle, so go for it, take the designs I release, make a business online selling DIY generator kits, I'm kool with that, but I refuse to be that person who creates a thing then tries to get rich off of it, I believe in free energy, not very free if people have to get financing to just buy one


There are a few over looked problems with this idea
At the end of the day all energy comes from the 'SUN's' solar winds

Contrary to normal thinking HEAT doesn't come direct from the 'SUN' Quantum physics is quite extra ordinary almost 'Rabbit hole' stuff!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 30, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
It's so easy to listen, why is it so difficult to hear ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on July 30, 2018, 04:51:10 PM
It would appear we all have the same common goal only the way we intend to go about it has changed. At the end of the day the best way will be the one that works.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 05:16:17 PM
Could it be because that any disclosure particular corporate involvement could destroy the worlds economy
witch is based around the petrochemical industry at a cost of the petrochemical industry is destroying the planet!
just a thought.

Come on lads even Steven Grier said it wasn't rocket science more like from the twiliight zone!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 30, 2018, 05:17:32 PM
It depends, we have a lot of good information in these pages all the time the game was never given away.
The Ruslan device would newer work in a flat or apartment or would it ? and you were right the answer could well
be so ridiculously simple !   ;D ;D ;D ;D giving up now when you might almost have it ?   ;D ;D
What! After all this time as a hero poster!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 30, 2018, 06:09:22 PM
People can and will come to whatever conclusions they like about Ruslan, but for me
this whole thing which transpired recently is not so straightforward at all. I can see no
valid reason for Ruslan to try to scam one person by selling them a fake device. Ruslan uses
his real name and he is not hard to track down at all given his radio broadcasting business.
He could possibly have faced fraud charges if he sold someone a device under false pretenses.
Think what you will, but the fraud scenario just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me anyway.

Sergej Panov may have been quite justifiably peed off with Ruslan because he couldn't get the device
to work, but, as I mentioned previously, the connection point where Sergej claimed he connected his hidden
mains wire should just as easily be connected to the output of the grenade instead. The fact that the
device runs when connected to the mains there seems to be no sure indication that Ruslan did the same.
Without a really clear schematic of how everything was connected as Sergej received the device from Ruslan,
it is really hard to evaluate this claim from Sergej.  I don't think Sergej is necessarily a 'troll' at all, as he may
just be angry with Ruslan, and therefore trying to get back at Ruslan by trying to discredit Ruslan.

Why Ruslan would sell one of his devices to Sergej in the first place doesn't make sense to me in itself,
but maybe Ruslan was just trying to recover some of the expenses for all the devices he has built
in the last several years. Ruslan has said recently he continues to experiment with and develop these devices,
and we have seen a couple of fairly recent videos showing that Ruslan is still experimenting and building these devices now.

Think about it. Why would someone spend so much money and time building many device variations over
several years if it is all a hoax/scam? Just one or two fake devices would more than suffice for scam purposes,
yet Ruslan is still working away doing more experimentation and building new variations of his device. I have long
since been on the fence about Ruslan, but when I look at all that is known so far, as fairly as I can, I have to
say that I am still on the fence, as I don't think the hoax/scam scenario really fits so well at all (at least yet) into all the pieces.
There is no doubt that Ruslan is quite a puzzle however. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on July 30, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
Time will hopefully tell Void. We can postulate till kingdom come but it won't change our personal opinions.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Acca on July 30, 2018, 07:41:13 PM
What "we heave here is that Kapanadze theory missing from this discussion "..


Now it's egos who is better with useless post here... Provide at least some theory of why this device is real as Wesley
has said...


Who are these Newbies with the intellectual capacity of a capacitor.. Say something that is original !!


University credentials just give you enough to fall flat and make you a village idiot.. Profound posts by Wesley
are the reason I read here. Idiots don't belong here.. I can see them on their silly phones..


Happy life from sunny today Poland..


Acca..



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 30, 2018, 07:56:44 PM
Time will hopefully tell Void. We can postulate till kingdom come but it won't change our personal opinions.

Hi Hoppy. Well, not really postulating anything. Just reviewed what is known
as fairly as I can and gave my point of view. :)


Acca: That was uncalled for mate. Someone having an education is not a bad thing at all,
and having good theoretical knowledge most certainly does not necessarily hinder people
in the area of FE research at all. What is really important is whether a person has an open mind or not.

Imagine how things might be in this forum if everyone with their different experience and knowledge
and talents all worked together, rather than people just throwing out attacks and insults at other people
for no good reason. ;)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 08:27:42 PM
What "we heave here is that Kapanadze theory missing from this discussion "..


Now it's egos who is better with useless post here... Provide at least some theory of why this device is real as Wesley
has said...


Who are these Newbies with the intellectual capacity of a capacitor.. Say something that is original !!


University credentials just give you enough to fall flat and make you a village idiot.. Profound posts by Wesley
are the reason I read here. Idiots don't belong here.. I can see them on their silly phones..


Happy life from sunny today Poland..


Acca..
Well I know for a fact Ruslan is no NOVICE ! i forgot this little fact and a real gem! he had a video on his youtube,
He was in a field with an old transmitting Aerial tower the down lead had been cut and the top of the tower was some height, any way
but dismantled as far as aerials were concerned, anyway as Ruslan moved the cable it contacted the tower metal work with arks and
flashes!

My point is that is free energy from part the way to the ionosphere you or any one else would not need much to convert that static
to usable energy !

While we are at it the TK green device have a thing about two earths ? look at this picture of the green box
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 08:49:26 PM
Time will hopefully tell Void. We can postulate till KINGDOM COME but it won't change our personal opinions.
If your going to quote scripture,  A Kingdom is a pagan thing out the king James book it has of over 230 bad translations.
There are more accurate translations on the market for a knowledgeable person.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on July 30, 2018, 09:04:33 PM
Actually, I am leaning towards Ruslan being legit.
Some recent info/videos posted by Ruslan in the past while indicate Ruslan may now have figured
out how to get the output at or near 50Hz. His devices seem to be progressing, and he is showing no
signs of stopping. :) Ruslan seems to be reluctant to release his devices willy nilly on the world
due to the effects it might have on the current world economic order, but Ruslan is still
showing things and commenting, but more low key now. He is really not hiding all that much, I think. ;)


Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jhewitt03041976@gmail.com on July 30, 2018, 09:35:00 PM
Ruslan seems to be reluctant to release his devices willy nilly on the world
due to the effects it might have on the current world economic order

Ruslan's right, i came to that conclusion on my own projects some while ago, but for me, i have no intention on holding back, history is repleat with sudden and major socio-financial hardships and disasters, but humans always seem to find ways past them and end up becoming more successful because of it, i say let the monster out of the box, when i can prove my designs are scaleable and not just a working oddity of science, the fun will begin
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 30, 2018, 09:53:06 PM
Actually, I am leaning towards Ruslan being legit.
Some recent info/videos posted by Ruslan in the past while indicate Ruslan may now have figured
out how to get the output at or near 50Hz. His devices seem to be progressing, and he is showing no
signs of stopping. :) Ruslan seems to be reluctant to release his devices willy nilly on the world
due to the effects it might have on the current world economic order, but Ruslan is still
showing things and commenting, but more low key now. He is really not hiding all that much, I think. ;)

Void,

I think you are on the spot right now,..  lets crush the "fake " narrative..

Some more information which would point at legimit narrative's.


Ruslan has built and (do) maintains a radio transmitter/station and that requires thorough knowledge of RF theory,
Transmission line theory, etc. along with hands on experience. 
He has the equipment also!

Akula, who kinda started all this, has a DSA815 Rigol on his bench. 
I am sure it is NOT there for decor.

These people are NOT just guessing and playing games, I do believe that they have something and that their devices do function.

Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 30, 2018, 11:10:22 PM
Void,

I think you are on the spot right now,..  lets crush the "fake " narrative..

Some more information which would point at legimit narrative's.


Ruslan has built and (do) maintains a radio transmitter/station and that requires thorough knowledge of RF theory,
Transmission line theory, etc. along with hands on experience. 
He has the equipment also!

Akula, who kinda started all this, has a DSA815 Rigol on his bench. 
I am sure it is NOT there for decor.

These people are NOT just guessing and playing games, I do believe that they have something and that their devices do function.

Greetings
did you notice the thick black cable going into the center of the green box winding ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 31, 2018, 06:54:35 PM
did you notice the thick black cable going into the center of the green box winding ?

Yes i did.
But why?  Mostly it goes into a black hole... so what is your point?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 31, 2018, 08:53:47 PM
Well it looks a bit like the earth cable to me.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on July 31, 2018, 09:06:50 PM
Well it looks a bit like the earth cable to me.


Well,... can you prove it.....technical it could be a cable from the power grid to supply the greenbox with power?


so,...  here we go again... :o
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on July 31, 2018, 10:41:27 PM

Well,... can you prove it.....technical it could be a cable from the power grid to supply the greenbox with power?


so,...  here we go again... :o
Look on page 4 it would need some experimentation with HV dangerous stuff
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 01, 2018, 11:30:04 AM
Actually, I am leaning towards Ruslan being legit.
Some recent info/videos posted by Ruslan in the past while indicate Ruslan may now have figured
out how to get the output at or near 50Hz. His devices seem to be progressing, and he is showing no
signs of stopping. :) Ruslan seems to be reluctant to release his devices willy nilly on the world
due to the effects it might have on the current world economic order, but Ruslan is still
showing things and commenting, but more low key now. He is really not hiding all that much, I think. ;)
Hi Void,
Do you have the links to that recent info / videos?
Have all the inmates escaped from the asylum on the other Kapanadze thread. ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 01, 2018, 12:29:28 PM
Hoppy what thread would that be ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: magpwr on August 01, 2018, 04:34:28 PM
Hi everyone,
I reveal something from sergey video that will make people go crazy once more.
I have attached screenshot from the youtube at 4.59...5.01 Minutes into video.Have anyone wondered why Amps became zero from Power supply after Kapanadze device was powered up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pE83oajjoo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pE83oajjoo)
---------------------------------------------Additonally one part of the circuit revealed by Sergey which i need to convert And gate to Nand to resolve circuit error in that circuit.I found out it is a divide by 12 circuit.
30khz example input frequency would be converted to 2.5khz.Please do not ask me why.
 ----------------------------
May be keen to know that the word "Electron accelerator" do exist today.But it does sound crazy talking about it couple of decades ago. :D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 01, 2018, 05:45:30 PM
magpwr
Quote
May be keen to know that the word "Electron accelerator" do exist today.But it does sound crazy talking about it couple of decades ago.

Strange isn't it?, a battery accelerates electrons due to a chemical reaction, a solar cell accelerates electrons due to excitation across a band gap and all our generators accelerate electrons due to a changing magnetic field. Where once the free electrons were uniformly distributed within the material now they experience a force which causes them to start accelerating and move along a conductor.

In many respects we could simply throw out all the math, equations, rules and regulations and all the complexity and say energy is produced whenever free electrons experience a force and start accelerating. It does not matter how the force on the electrons causing them to accelerate is produced only that it is produced in some way. In fact this is the only requirement...period.

Steven Marks got it right in my opinion... everyone is trying to build the most complex devices and yet they still do not understand the basics. Steven said all you need to understand is all the possible actions and reactions in a single piece of wire. If you can understand this one thing then you have all that is required to build a FE device. Oh I can just see all the supposed experts throwing up there arms claiming they understand everything however it should be obvious they do not understand. They have missed something so basic, so simple even a child could understand it found in the understanding of a single piece of wire.

One cannot claim to understand anything when they cannot produce the desired results and the only real experts are the one's with working devices sitting on their bench... that should have been obvious.

Magpwr, a little advice, what your looking for does not show up on a simulator and in most cases it does not show up on a DSO unless you know what your looking for. As Ruslan implied... throw all your fancy equipment and your complex theories out the window and use your head.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 01, 2018, 06:15:58 PM
Hoppy what thread would that be ?
Nick's thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 01, 2018, 06:23:26 PM
Hi everyone,
I reveal something from sergey video that will make people go crazy once more.
I have attached screenshot from the youtube at 4.59...5.01 Minutes into video.Have anyone wondered why Amps became zero from Power supply after Kapanadze device was powered up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pE83oajjoo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pE83oajjoo)

That's most likely because its powered from the grid on a 'hot Wire' straight into the device!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 01, 2018, 09:04:09 PM
Isn't that the 12 Volt input feed input from the start up battery ?

Think about this then for a change.
The Kacher suppose thats running with high voltage on it, how is that energy input into
the rest of the device ? The coil of wire with a few turns on it ? some things more basic don't add up.

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 01, 2018, 09:43:03 PM
magpwr
Strange isn't it?, a battery accelerates electrons due to a chemical reaction, a solar cell accelerates electrons due to excitation across a band gap and all our generators accelerate electrons due to a changing magnetic field. Where once the free electrons were uniformly distributed within the material now they experience a force which causes them to start accelerating and move along a conductor.

In many respects we could simply throw out all the math, equations, rules and regulations and all the complexity and say energy is produced whenever free electrons experience a force and start accelerating. It does not matter how the force on the electrons causing them to accelerate is produced only that it is produced in some way. In fact this is the only requirement...period.

Steven Marks got it right in my opinion... everyone is trying to build the most complex devices and yet they still do not understand the basics. Steven said all you need to understand is all the possible actions and reactions in a single piece of wire. If you can understand this one thing then you have all that is required to build a FE device. Oh I can just see all the supposed experts throwing up there arms claiming they understand everything however it should be obvious they do not understand. They have missed something so basic, so simple even a child could understand it found in the understanding of a single piece of wire.

One cannot claim to understand anything when they cannot produce the desired results and the only real experts are the one's with working devices sitting on their bench... that should have been obvious.

Magpwr, a little advice, what your looking for does not show up on a simulator and in most cases it does not show up on a DSO unless you know what your looking for. As Ruslan implied... throw all your fancy equipment and your complex theories out the window and use your head.
Well the signal comes from only 1 half of the 494 not both so if it's running from 12kh to 18khz the 4017 would only output
divide by 2 (input) and divide by 6 to 9  and then there is the 4013 divide by 2 again. some where around 1khz ?
But then whats the point of that ? but what it could do with a cap and resistor or two is test the PUSH PULL is running,
but I could think of an easier way to do that, but there again it's output goes no where! Oh and the logic is driven at 5Volts
But the TL494 could be run from 12 Volts or 24Volts, fun ain'it ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 01, 2018, 09:45:33 PM
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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 01, 2018, 10:32:42 PM
Quote
Well the signal comes from only 1 half of the 494 not both so if it's running from 12kh to 18khz the 4017 would only output
divide by 2 (input) and divide by 6 to 9  and then there is the 4013 divide by 2 again. some where around 1khz ?
But then whats the point of that ? but what it could do with a cap and resistor or two is test the PUSH PULL is running,
but I could think of an easier way to do that, but there again it's output goes no where! Oh and the logic is driven at 5Volts
But the TL494 could be run from 12 Volts or 24Volts, fun ain'it ?

I think you nailed it and after reading page after page of this nonsense, Ad nauseam I want to pull out my hair. It would seem common sense has left the building.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 01, 2018, 11:34:28 PM
Hoppy
Quote
That's most likely because its powered from the grid on a 'hot Wire' straight into the device!

Or a secondary coil such as a Tesla coil connected to ground can produce a net charge on it's surface while a secondary coil such as a Tesla coil not connected to ground can only produce a charge separation along it's length and not a net charge. This thing you cannot seem to wrap your mind around can be found in any high school textbook.



Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 02, 2018, 09:36:56 AM
Hoppy
Or a secondary coil such as a Tesla coil connected to ground can produce a net charge on it's surface while a secondary coil such as a Tesla coil not connected to ground can only produce a charge separation along it's length and not a net charge. This thing you cannot seem to wrap your mind around can be found in any high school textbook.
Maybe you can wrap your mind around and demonstrate how a TC can produce a continuous net charge without a power supply to drive it, whilst its 'top-load' is coupled to a grenade coil powering a heavy lamp load, also not being powered from a conventional power supply.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 02, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
Maybe you can wrap your mind around and demonstrate how a TC can produce a continuous net charge without a power supply to drive it, whilst its 'top-load' is coupled to a grenade coil powering a heavy lamp load, also not being powered from a conventional power supply.
Hoppy I myself can do use and train my mind to do many things, and all my cats do many useful things
but I am have not as yet had occasion to see him (my top cat) do as you request  8) 8)!

I think you are asking for the meal to already made, but all the items for the meal are in this thread, Its just a question
of assembling the the individual items and then you can eat the meal. As you will already know many have found the meal already eaten.
As you might have guessed many of us are just back room boys and don't want to appear on stage eating our lunch!
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 02, 2018, 02:32:54 PM

As you might have guessed many of us are just back room boys and don't want to appear on stage eating our lunch!
So that's tantamount to saying the 'proof is in the pudding' in the modern sense of the phrase. I call your bluff on that one  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 02, 2018, 04:14:13 PM
No worries, word is this is coming out sooner than later and too many people know. At which point many trolls will find themselves unemployed. We can already see the big boys divesting from fossil fuels and moving towards plastics. The writing is on the wall...its over.

I think it's going to be pretty cool.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 02, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
So that's tantamount to saying the 'proof is in the pudding' in the modern sense of the phrase. I call your bluff on that one  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Find your glasses and gloss over page 37 and READ IT !

TK and Hoppy  ;D ;D ;D
Our planet in electrical terms is a kind of spherical capacitor, charged to about 300,000 volts. The inner sphere - the surface of the Earth - is charged negatively, the outer sphere - the ionosphere - is positive. The Earth's atmosphere serves as an insulator.

Find a way to collect it !

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on August 02, 2018, 08:43:28 PM
a way to use it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZLtVrfz7y0
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on August 02, 2018, 09:48:37 PM
I suggest simple experiment :
1.take two grounds ( at best at the distance) ( ground wires must be thick  from 0 to 3 gauge)
a.deliver to one ground impulse ( whatever voltage, whatever shape)
b.measure  if that  impulse is  sensed by second ground by means of close circuit.
that means that  your V meter is connected to both of the grounds.
c.if you do not sense the impulse than increase the voltage and do it again.
d.please look if Voltage or VxA  of impulse at second  ground is stronger in  given time frame.( Look at all DC and AC components.
Oscilloscope and Spectrum analyzer  gives you  information about  frequency distribution, harmonics and its amplitude !!!, bandwidth and distortion)
Look also at time delay and phase for AC or AC component of DC.
e.  Employ spark Gap  ( spark Gap has NEGATIVE RESISTANCE) and HV and repeat  measurement again.
Note :If AC train of impulses is tested than generator  can be:
e'  - floating ( not connected to the ground  by insulation  transformer and impulse is delivered by one  wire only) or ( powered from batteries) ( that includes manually triggered  single impulses as well)
e'' - connected to the electrical ground from  electrical outlet  and powered by batteries
e'''- connected  to/ and powered from  electrical  outlet 
f.  create another loop (-separate DC loop) using ground  and check if AC loop is interfering with  DC loop.
Note: make sure that these two   separate AC and DC loops are equal in Voltage .
g. you may decide now to  place in AC circuit tunable LC Network  after you have done all points
from above.  :)
I know what I'm talking about.
The choice is yours.
for lazy folks look from here https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=474 (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=474)
for not  so much  lazy folks look  from here https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=443 (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=443)

h.
if you see difference of potentials  between any of two grounds such as:
h'   -first ground  wire and cold water pipe
h''  -first ground wire and Russian type of heating  system ( cast iron  radiators)
h''' - first  ground wire and  0 from electrical  outlets or combination of it
than  do not think for the moment  why  you have it, but apply primary of Tesla  coil into it ( using LC tunable )  and  measure the voltage  between two ends of secondary using HV probe.
In my link from above for lazy and not lazy folks  I have shown  a Transformer  with the air gap near vicinity of Tesla coil  ( that is our   regular HV from CRT ) ( You may play with one winding only - the  primary.) ( however  if you intend to use secondary  to couple to LC network than , use as low winds  winding section  of primary as possible  ,  to get the highest voltage at secondary)
Air gap acts as temporary energy storage. you can also have LC network connected to it
Note:
in general it is not important how device looks like.
- Matching of impedance gives you energy transfer
- matching of resonance  (even without  impedance matching  is like matching impedance, that) means  you have energy transfer :
In resonance all reactances are canceled leaving only pure resistive component  of impedance (resistance) (as if it was DC where  there is none of reactive  components and there is no impedance )that is why it is important to have thick ground wire and if possible thick primary of Tesla Coil.
"thick" means  surface of the wire....( so copper tubing is very much OK) due to  Skin Current for AC.
i. It was  noticed that look with earth connection as earth wire was  few times more battery saving than the same loop  that used two aerial wires
 Please  press https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=617 (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=617), and immediately stop video.  On the left hand side page  on the  top read from words :
Quote
some early experimenters...
it says about telluric generators , telluric current and battery life when ground is imposed .
 



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Think like you are in 1900 ( just for the moment)
Point #2 serves as an explanation of  ground behavior :
 *
do not omit  "star"

2.
Old telegraph from 1834 to 1963 was working based on DC interrupted that means leading  edge and falling edge is your AC component of
DC  from 24 to 36V battery ( original Voltage of US telegraph company spec.)
a. it means  that few thousands miles long line  with return  using earth ground  was powered by this battery( in some places it was direct one loop in other places it was series of loops separated and forming  another loop.)
b. AC and DC coexists  in the ground separate loops not being able to see each other. ( *unless - conditions allows for such interaction)
c. Telluric Current
was interacting with all of the loops despite the fact if it  was chain of isolated telegraph loops or just one.  ( but not causing  much of the problems or none or the problems - * applies)
d. 
it was noticed that  using  earth as  e return wire ( means of connection) saves battery life  anywhere from 50% to  hundreds of %
Notice :
there  is no such thing as more that 100%  of  energy saving that is why some scientist  of that time (1900) where trying to explain earth  as energy  reservoir
e.
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=746 (https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=746) VOID schematic has a lot of sense( Thank you Void)

Summary:
-You looking  for  FE ( Energy for Free)  my friends
American telegraph was making plenty of money ,  not only  because of its business, but because of utilizing natural phenomena  and  saving on cost.
-You want to find what Tariel was/wasn't  about do this simple test.

Wesley


 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 03, 2018, 02:05:53 AM
AG
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Our planet in electrical terms is a kind of spherical capacitor, charged to about 300,000 volts. The inner sphere - the surface of the Earth - is charged negatively, the outer sphere - the ionosphere - is positive. The Earth's atmosphere serves as an insulator.

I believe it was Richard Feynman who said radiation and evaporation are the primary transport mechanisms which continually drive free electrons from the Earth to the atmosphere. What we see as lightning is the Earth capacitor trying to discharge and balance itself. We are in fact stuck between two area's of extreme potential looking for a path to find equilibrium.

You have to think about it for a moment, imagine you are stuck between two very large capacitor plates which are already charged. You did not create this energy nor does it appear from nothing... it is already present as explained above. Now all you have to do is find a way discharge some of the potential already present to produce an electric current. What kind of circuit could you place in between two charged capacitor plates which could discharge some of the potential?.

I will let you in on a little secret... if you can build a circuit which can discharge some of the potential between two charged capacitor plates at a distance in your lab or garage then you can do it anywhere. The secret is called science and if the premise is sound the premise must apply in every instance.

Strange isn't it?, who would have thought that using scientific principals, experiments and a little common sense could offer a little insight into the problem at hand. It's a pretty simple proposition... either your circuit works or it does not.




Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: forest on August 03, 2018, 07:40:18 AM
"Now all you have to do is find a way discharge some of the potential already present to produce an electric current."[/size] I AGREE  ;D
Did you watch the video from my previous post ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 03, 2018, 09:01:12 AM

d. 
it was noticed that  using  earth as  e return wire ( means of connection) saves battery life  anywhere from 50% to  hundreds of %

Wesley
In comparison to which other tested circuit configuration?
I recall in my young days as a UK BR railway telecomms tech that dry batteries powering trackside 2- wire (very long line) code ringing telephones would still adequately function even when their batteries were swollen and leaking electrolyte. In this case it was nothing to do with earth return / telluric currents. Some of these batteries were known to have powered their phones for many years without replacement.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on August 03, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
In comparison to which other tested circuit configuration?
I recall in my young days as a UK BR railway telecomms tech that dry batteries powering trackside 2- wire (very long line) code ringing telephones would still adequately function even when their batteries were swollen and leaking electrolyte. In this case it was nothing to do with earth return / telluric currents. Some of these batteries were known to have powered their phones for many years without replacement.

Answer:
- in comparison to  two wires aerial ( not using ground) loop.
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Telephone ( wired) in US standard used  60V for talking and 120V for  ring till its end( means till today ,)
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Suggestion:
For me the difference between  previous Kapanadze thread  and  this is that here ,  I can propose experiments, steps, techniques that are likely to be  heard, noticed, not ignored.
So I suggest to  do tests mentioned by me  in my previous post.

What more motivation do you need?:
- if I say that this is simpler than building electronics and you already have done it in the past..
- if I say that this is cheaper and less time consuming..
- if I say that it does not hurts you..
- or  if I say ,  it makes you to save some money if you get it and now  you know what Kapanadze was about.
- or  if I say,   it makes you to make big money if you get it and now  you know what Kapanadze was about.

Your results will vary  as telluric current ( and flow of telluric current that means) and placement of grounds  matters - but not as much) 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wesley.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 03, 2018, 03:01:13 PM
Hoppy
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I recall in my young days as a UK BR railway telecomms tech that dry batteries powering trackside 2- wire (very long line) code ringing telephones would still adequately function even when their batteries were swollen and leaking electrolyte. In this case it was nothing to do with earth return / telluric currents. Some of these batteries were known to have powered their phones for many years without replacement.

So because you once saw damaged batteries still work this means...it has nothing to do with earth return / telluric currents.
You seem to have cherry picked two unrelated events and presumed one is the cause of the other which is a logical fallacy known as false cause.

Wesley said the batteries lasted 50% longer when connected to an Earth return path which obviously has nothing to do with whether the batteries were damaged or not. Your false premise was pretty weak and you kind of suck at misdirection.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on August 03, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
This forum has been around for many years now.
People are frequently making claims that they know how to produce a free energy device.
Just do this, or just do that people say, over and over again here.
It is very easy to make claims, but typically these people just simply can't back up what they
are saying with even a very basic demonstration. Sorry, but that is the reality.

If people want others to take a statement they make seriously about how to achieve a 'free energy' effect, you
must be able to back it up with a demonstration that clearly demonstrates what you are claiming will do
something unusual, otherwise no reasonable person will likely take you seriously here.
Is it really too much to ask for a person to show a basic and clear demo of what they are saying they think is unusual?
This quickly separates fantasy from reality.
That's how I see it anyway. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on August 03, 2018, 03:17:53 PM
This forum has been around for many years now.
People are frequently making claims that they know how to produce a free energy device.
Just do this, or just do that people say, over and over again here.
This quickly separates fantasy from reality. That's my point of view anyway. :)
Void for me this forum is not about claims.
I do not give a damn about ready to use TK device.
It's like that pretty girl  .. you have got her.. and now what?...... feed it maintain it, entertain it... and more...
And all of it, just because you care about benefit that  you have got  at very first days of that relation and did not cost  you all of  it than...

I say TK device is real...
I say  phenomena behind it are explainable  to the certain  point ,and  it will be explainable  even more , if you dig in it.
Everything else is your business not mine


Wesley
 
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on August 03, 2018, 04:11:52 PM
Void for me this forum is not about claims.
I do not give a damn about ready to use TK device.
It's like that pretty girl  .. you have got her.. and now what?...... feed it maintain it, entertain it... and more...
And all of it, just because you care about benefit that  you have got  at very first days of that relation and did not cost  you all of  it than...

I say TK device is real...
I say  phenomena behind it are explainable  to the certain  point ,and  it will be explainable  even more , if you dig in it.
Everything else is your business not mine
Wesley

I did not make any statement about Tariel Kapanadze's devices.
I am inclined to think they may well be legit because he has demonstrated his devices in front
of different independent witnesses up close on several different occasions, under varying circumstances.
However, it appears that Tariel Kapanadze does not use two separate earth ground connection points,  in the
demonstrations of his I have seen anyway.

IMO, for people who want to have a chance at moving forward with understanding,
you must be able to prove/disprove your ideas/assumptions with actual physical tests and experiments.
This is a basic tenet of the physical sciences for a very good reason.
That was all I was saying Wesley. I don't think it is unreasonable at all, given all the unsubstantiated
and wild claims people frequently made in these forums. :)
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 03, 2018, 04:47:56 PM

IMO, for people who want to have a chance at moving forward with understanding,
you must be able to prove/disprove your ideas/assumptions with actual physical tests and experiments.
This is a basic tenet of the physical sciences for a very good reason.
That was all I was saying Wesley. I don't think it is unreasonable at all, given all the unsubstantiated
and wild claims people frequently made in these forums. :)
Void
What you are asking ! You will be very lucky for some one to come out of the closet over
with out putting there existence in a life or death situation !
As you say loads of stuff on the net is total BS, I would suggest you abandon your 'have and to hold'
demands and relax and dig deeper into what is real.

A real Tesla device observe and learn, and don't dismiss this link as irreverent !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3933099103&feature=iv&index=2&list=PLFsZmHTZL-zmfXxstlxuJgRE9bOGobEVu&src_vid=vemF7p0cbHU&v=0SaEPW_iMF8
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 03, 2018, 05:24:32 PM
Steady lads or we will have another asylum opening here!  :(
Good post Void.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 03, 2018, 05:39:24 PM
Answer:
- in comparison to  two wires aerial ( not using ground) loop.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Telephone ( wired) in US standard used  60V for talking and 120V for  ring till its end( means till today ,)
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Suggestion:
For me the difference between  previous Kapanadze thread  and  this is that here ,  I can propose experiments, steps, techniques that are likely to be  heard, noticed, not ignored.
So I suggest to  do tests mentioned by me  in my previous post.

What more motivation do you need?:
- if I say that this is simpler than building electronics and you already have done it in the past..
- if I say that this is cheaper and less time consuming..
- if I say that it does not hurts you..
- or  if I say ,  it makes you to save some money if you get it and now  you know what Kapanadze was about.
- or  if I say,   it makes you to make big money if you get it and now  you know what Kapanadze was about.

Your results will vary  as telluric current ( and flow of telluric current that means) and placement of grounds  matters - but not as much) 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Wesley.
Thanks Wesley. Comparative loop line resistance between 2-wire working and 1-wire earth return working? Same line currents and 'B' end voltages?
Trouble is Wesley, I don't get it because as repeatedly said neither Kapanadze or Ruslan show evidence of dual ground point working.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Void on August 03, 2018, 05:44:40 PM
Hi AG. Sorry, I do not follow you.

All I said was if people want to be taken more seriously here, then show a
basic demo that supports what you are claiming is true. That shouldn't be a
problem if someone really has put what they are saying to some actual testing.
People are free to do as they like however. :)

Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: stivep on August 03, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
Thanks Wesley. Comparative loop line resistance between 2-wire working and 1-wire earth return working? Same line currents and 'B' end voltages?
Trouble is Wesley, I don't get it because as repeatedly said neither Kapanadze or Ruslan show evidence of dual ground point working.
My dear Hoppy .
the two grounds controversy:
Think about it as not important. Just not important for time being.
And After you  have done it  and wake up very next day than you can come back to your reality  whatever you feel comfortable with.
Just do it for yourself.

 
Than you know  more,
In worse scenario  you have lost few days and some cost  to buy ground wire.
In the best scenario  you can talk about something I'm not  yet in freedom to talk  to much.
 It is like  in Jewish  joke...
I didn't do it , he did it... but  I benefit from it as well :)
 

https://youtu.be/zLW_7TPf310?t=256 (https://youtu.be/zLW_7TPf310?t=256) start watch from here,  try to understand it but DO NOT TAKE  TRADITIONAL APPROACH
think about charged earth .
Think about  all possible ways  of earth being charged.
One of ways would be electrostatic HV potential, some other  telluric current interaction,
think about coexistence of separates loops of old telegraph with DC and AC component on it
think why these loops  that uses the same ground as return path, do not interfere with each other. And think when they will start to interact.
than think why?
 fallow my points : https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg524476/#msg524476 (https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg524476/#msg524476)

Wesley

 
 
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 03, 2018, 07:30:07 PM
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Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 03, 2018, 07:41:45 PM

Thanks Wesley. You show me a typical US domestic grid earth grounding arrangement. So, am I to assume that Kapanadze is using one of the bypass the meter power nicking fiddles. Would make a lot of sense and the only sense I can make of what you are posting. If someone does it, I didn't do it but I benefit from it.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 03, 2018, 07:43:47 PM
Notice the Tesla coil exploits this very phenomena yet every one ignores it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3933099103&feature=iv&index=2&list=PLFsZmHTZL-zmfXxstlxuJgRE9bOGobEVu&src_vid=vemF7p0cbHU&v=0SaEPW_iMF8
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: jojo500 on August 03, 2018, 09:57:44 PM
sorry to chime in in this "Tk and ruslan did not used a second ground"
thats verry true in meaning they hat only one  line to earthground ...  the second can just what you would call a virtual ground..even if its not the whole storry about it. just take pice of iron and use it as the second gnd.

how ever tesla  as well as alexanderson made a graet deal about virtual grounding .. in terms of mass and material.

wesleys steps bevore are ment more ore less as basic setup to get a understanding how and why . at least thats how i look at it .
beside that i was abled to proof some his points .

have fun JoJo
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: onepower on August 04, 2018, 02:07:01 AM
Void
Quote
IMO, for people who want to have a chance at moving forward with understanding,
you must be able to prove/disprove your ideas/assumptions with actual physical tests and experiments.
This is a basic tenet of the physical sciences for a very good reason.

Proof
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 04, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
sorry to chime in in this "Tk and ruslan did not used a second ground"
thats verry true in meaning they hat only one  line to earthground ...  the second can just what you would call a virtual ground..even if its not the whole storry about it. just take pice of iron and use it as the second gnd.

how ever tesla  as well as alexanderson made a graet deal about virtual grounding .. in terms of mass and material.

wesleys steps bevore are ment more ore less as basic setup to get a understanding how and why . at least thats how i look at it .
beside that i was abled to proof some his points .

have fun JoJo
I do not see Kapanadze or Ruslan using a virtual ground in terms of a mass of material. Nothing we see in their videos support the use of any more than a single physical earth ground point.

Which of Wesley's points have you been able to prove?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on August 04, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
I do not see Kapanadze or Ruslan using a virtual ground in terms of a mass of material. Nothing we see in their videos support the use of any more than a single physical earth ground point.



Hoppy,....did we finaly end the GROUND wire chapter?. ;D
I am very glad we ended this GROUND connection chapter.

So what chapter is next?


Greetings
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 04, 2018, 07:42:30 PM

So what chapter is next?


Greetings
??
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: apecore on August 04, 2018, 07:50:23 PM
??

- Hidden batterie
- Coil mode of operation
- Electrostatic mode of operation
- etc..
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: ramset on August 04, 2018, 08:15:42 PM
Woah..... If I may
several members here have worked in this area [harvesting between grounds] and found positive results  :o .as a matter of fact there was even work done on different continents with varied results [even soils were logged]
Wesley says to look here  and learn something useful [just checked again to see I was in His thread]
maybe he should start a topic on replications of his suggestions ?
I will touch base with members who have looked into this already [been awhile[
with respect and gratitude
Chet K
psGotta ask Gyula again how to fix this bunched up text problem some of us have here?
Maybe he can teach the screamin fisherman [SECHELLES] how to get his Cap lock off too ?
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Grumage on August 04, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
Indeed, whoa!

I started looking at a two ground system some time back.

https://youtu.be/mRz3oTLicT4

Sadly my own health deteriorated to the point of not being able to continue with experiments.

In the video I mentioned a gentleman who's handle is Dragon, he had developed a circuit that automatically charged a capacitor bank.

Don't forget that most early telegraph routes were " dowsed " to find the best efficiency !   ;) I was taught dowsing as an apprentice whilst training as an electrician for the local water supply company.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: cheappower2012 on August 05, 2018, 10:13:48 AM
When I was in the old tpu thread,the same thing happened, people
listened to the inventor say something and ran with it.I can't get this to build the device,conclusion it must
be important,this happens in this thread,your being tricked by Kapandaze.In the tpu thread it was the inventor
wants you to build hes device
and would never lie to you,stupidity reined in that thread.In this thread, its a Tesla invention,
it operates at high frequency,the coil construction  is the secret.
Here is another of Kapanadze's devices,the ground wire can not be  two wires Hoppy,
the fan that he uses operates at 220vac ,50 Hz so the output has to be 220 vac, 50hz.
At the max power it draws 14.8 amps times 220v=3,256 watts,the guy takes a current reading.
The ground in my opinion does not do anything, simply a trick to convince you its related to Tesla stuff.
Pay close attention to the two spark plugs no arc coming from them,whats a Tesla with no arc,LOL ;D.
As far as I can tell there is no hidden wire,so the next trick would be hidden batteries
and a dc to 220v inverter,the size of the inverter rules this out,max power 3,256 watts
for a 12 volt dc battery,the current draw would be 271 amps,I'm assuming a 100% conversion rate
for arguments sake,in reality,the current would be much higher.There is no room in the box for a large inverter or
battery that can deliver this amount of current.In my opinion the coil is a very important
part of the device,this is where the current is generated,notice two wires are tied together on the output white coil,in parallel to increase current.My opinion is the current is not generated in an ordinary way but in a completely different manner,this is why its very hard to figure out,you have to look at all the various devices Kapandaze has made. Check it out and discuss it,skeptics,how did he do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH9VhcDZYKg
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: Hoppy on August 05, 2018, 01:07:46 PM
Hi Cheappower2012. Good to see you contributing to this thread. I agree with most you wrote, other than there not being a hidden / 'hot' wire(s) powering the device. The hidden wire(s) in the video you posted is most likely routed through the wall into and through the channel section of one of the foot arms on the fan. Look closely. Until a more plausible explanation can be put forward, I'll stick with this one.
Title: Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
Post by: AlienGrey on August 05, 2018, 01:49:15 PM

Here is another of Kapanadze's devices,the ground wire can not be  two wires Hoppy,
the fan that he uses operates at 220vac ,50 Hz so the output has to be 220 vac, 50hz.
At the max power it draws 14.8 amps times 220v=3,256 watts,the guy takes a current reading.
The ground in my opinion does not do anything, simply a trick to convince you its related to Tesla stuff.
Pay close attention to the two spark plugs no arc coming from them,whats a Tesla with no arc,LOL ;D.
As far as I can tell there is no hidden wire,so the next trick would be hidden batteries
and a dc to 220v inverter,the size of the inverter rules this out,max power 3,256 watts
for a 12 volt dc battery,the current draw would be 271 amps,I'm assuming a 100% conversion rate
for arguments sake,in reality,the current would be much higher.There is no room in the box for a large inverter or
battery that can deliver this amount of current.In my opinion the coil is a very important
part of the device,this is where the current is generated,notice two wires are tied together on the output white coil,in parallel to increase current.My opinion is the current is not generated in an ordinary way but in a completely different manner,this is why its very hard to figure out,you have to look at all the various devices Kapandaze has made. Check it out and discuss it,skeptics,how did he do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH9VhcDZYKg
Ah a window sales man,  No spark ! BS whats that Zzzzzzzt and a spark at 1538 ???
Notice the Tesla coil and the TV tripper just behind it for high voltage to the Tesla coil
now look at the Tesla coil it self it's filled with something, and the end high voltage wire is dead thin, one would expect
a really high voltage ark there, but that coil must be resonating at a low frequency with it's length. The spark plugs limit
the high voltage and other things (EV Grey Tube).
I expect the black box on the left is filled with some sort of storage capacitors or is control.

Wesley what is the PCB to the right