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Offline lukaszkwiatkowskii

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3630 on: December 23, 2021, 01:07:22 PM »
I tu się mylisz, nie interesują mnie pogadanki psychologiczno-socjalno-polityczne a tym bardziej spekulacje, a poza tym opieram się na własnej wiedzy.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3631 on: December 23, 2021, 08:57:05 PM »
I have a question. Assuming there is an artificial  source of Zenneck wave somewhere on Earth how to find a place where this wave cannot be detected ? I think it's important to prove all those FE devices are not powered by manmade source

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3632 on: December 24, 2021, 09:35:15 AM »
Czyli pytanie typu, w którym wymiarze Wesley chowa baterie  ;D ;D ;D ;D .. taki żarcik.
Moje pytanie brzmiało konkretnie czym jest źródło, gdyż jak jest jego natura można się domyśleć skoro mówimy o tzw. "naturalnym nadajniku".

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3633 on: December 24, 2021, 10:00:32 AM »

Energii wokół nas jest ogrom tylko nie umiemy jej konwertować do tej na którą się uparliśmy czyli prąd.
Nadal mamy problem ze zamianą ciepła w prąd efektywnie. Lepiej nam wychodzi konwersja pola magnetycznego ale to też nie to jest najważniejsze.
Mamy od dawna panele PV i stawiamy na to. Owszem z teorii fal ze słońca obliczono że 1m2 da kilka kWh z tym że teraz odzyskujemy kilka %.
Szum EM wydaje się być ogromem fal które wystarczy odebrać, przekształcić i wykorzystać. Są projekty takich urządzeń już na poważnie realizowane.
Zastosowanie w telefonach wiecznych. Po części ta technologia już działa w trybie impulsowym dla lokalizacji telefonu nawet jak nie ma baterii ! To jak rfid czy znane PING lub inne określenie lokalizacji.
Wystarczy przecież odbiór kilku../nastu/set/... fal i fazowanie ich aby dostać moc z rozproszonego widma. Jednak czy tu były by kW !? No zakresów jest dużo więc i kW się znajdą ale czy dla każdego ?
Czy 100 osób po 10kW to problem ? nie ale już 100.000.000 po 10kW to chyba tak aby taka technologia zadziałała w tym sensie. Może się mylę.
W końcu Viziv ma to robić tak ?
Technologia dążąca do tego to : Energy Harvesting.   VIZIV coś pisali o kryptografi energii a czy to nie było by podobne.

Zatem gdzie są źródła energii? no wszędzie ale to drażniące już bo jesteśmy jak ślepcy którzy co chwila się dowiadują że wystarczy otworzyć oczy.... ale oni nie mogą.


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Niedawno pewien facio Chikumbutso zrobił to łącząc fale w jedną poprzez jak to określił skupienie ich. Nie mylić z łączeniem fal !!!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3634 on: December 24, 2021, 11:37:32 AM »
Piszesz o smogu EM wywołanym przez sztuczne nadajniki, a temat i moje pytanie dotyczyło fal z interfejsu Schumanna.




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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3638 on: December 25, 2021, 10:05:12 AM »
Piszesz o smogu EM wywołanym przez sztuczne nadajniki, a temat i moje pytanie dotyczyło fal z interfejsu Schumanna.

Dla jednych szum jeśli nie widzisz w tym sensu. Jeśli nie umiesz "zdekodować" sygnału to wszystko jest tylko szumem.  Amplituda coś wnosi jeśli uznamy, że szum to jakaś wartość odniesienia.
wyjaśnię dokładniej: chodziło o całe tło EM.
Fale Schumanna to echo burz.

Przy okazji: nie ograniczaj się bo nie musisz.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3639 on: December 25, 2021, 04:51:23 PM »
I will respond to  comments but first  the example  of :
Russian opinion, more specifically  one Russian out of  few, making comment:

This Russian is from Kazakhstan and he was one of very respected by me key people.
He was hired by Stefanov
(who also was in contact with me.)  to examine  Akula device, 
From that  started all of the Journey :
German investor  visited  Akula and than Tiger, Stefanov, and Akula  went to Germany.
Stefanov  is from Russia  look here.
https://youtu.be/e_kXFGNdANU?t=153
But before that Stefanov  went to Hamburg  with his device  and met German Investor ,at the same time  Investor heard about  Akula, To do not lose  opportunity
to get his  money  Stefanov contacted Akula and contacted Tiger who   was employed by him to evaluate  Akula's device.
But I'm not talking about Stefanov now.
However the difference of opinion  in view at geopolitical  problems affected our relation after Russian aggression and annexation of Ukrainian Crimea
That was not as bad as it gave me the unique opportunity to  analyze level of  education  and expertise of all people attached to the story of Akula
(Kazakhstan)
We are in contact , I still  see in him a valuable person  despite  my corrected  view on his  level of expertise in  important to us  all mater.


We were talking about Zenneck Wave in the Interface that is  2D "two dimensional" for this EM wave
I do like him to be totally  opposite and totally rejective even if his wording is aggressive,
It is a challenge  for me  I'd love  someone  to prove me wrong because if not than  the future of humans
on this earth is likely already  set.


he commented :
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Разница в образовании .
Для американских животных волна двухмерная .
Разумеется для русских людей это полностью неприемлемо ,
как и утверждение - "ты имееш полное право быть тупым " .
Но если ты тупой - будь им . Но не пытайся тогда представиться умным .
Translation:
The difference is in our education
For American animals, the wave is two-dimensional.
Of course, for Russian people this is completely unacceptable, 
As well as the statement - \"you have every right to be dumb.\"  if you're stupid, be it. But then don't try to pretend to be smart.


My response:


I have  gave you  Dear Russian from Kazakhstan, many examples  from different Western sources  but you still don't understand.
Wave is not flat and not 2 dimensional .
Medium where  Electromagnetic Wave travels  is important.
This medium can be  restricting this Wave  to travel.
Waveguide acts similar to water pipe but must have dimensions allowing it  to flow efficiently .

1/2" water pipe can't work as good  as 3" 
In quantum world the size  of waveguide "pipe" affects EM that must match right frequency, polarization, mode to travel in it.
or we must match size, parameters of the waveguide  to match our  EM.
Waveguide can be rectangular, round like a pipe, or  flat.
Waveguide  for Zenneck Wave  is made from  two different materials
-the dielectric medium
and
-the conductive medium.
In simple words  piece of Teflon  (as dielectric)  on the top of  copper plate (as conductive medium)  is the interface  we are talking about
 or:
Air (as dielectric) and earth (as partially conductive medium)
but this INTERFACE  can be made  also from two different  dielectric materials one on the top of the other.
Earth is partially conductive and it fits the requirement

Interface between Earth and Air for EM wave is seen as 2D and  wave travels there in s TM mode.
Although  Inverse Square law doesn't apply to waveguides  it  doesn't mean that this energy is free from any losses.
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Waveguides confine and covey electromagnetic energy in the GHz+ range, just as coaxial cables do; they offer lower loss and other virtues, but at a cost in parts and ease of use.
So the size of the interface  matters.Fortunately this Zenneck Wave  interface is at no cost to us.

 part of  comment of this Russian  from Kazakhstan talking about  American stupidity and American animals - is in the brackets of his right to his opinion and matches Darwin  history of evolution.
so let it be.
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Supporting material about 2D interface :
https://dailydialectics.com/SurfaceWaves/ZenneckWave
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a8778/skimming-the-surface-the-return-of-teslas-surface-waves-15322250/
https://www.rroij.com/open-access/surface-electromagnetic-waves.php?aid=87345

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=487s
This lecture introduces the student to the concept of surfaces waves.
It describes why they exist identifies a number of different types of surfaces waves. 
Extra detail is provided on ways to couple energy into surface waves, surface plasmons, and Dyakonov surface waves.
It  is not important what is the frequency  of Zenneck wave and what name is used to describe it.
Polariton, plasmon  and soon... these names are just  specific to given form and frequency of wave in the flat interface.
There are slight variation  between them ...
And we are talking about  very long wave here . The closer you are to Schumann frequency the more energy you can get out from it.

Wesley
 
« Last Edit: December 26, 2021, 01:29:45 AM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3640 on: December 25, 2021, 06:30:09 PM »
Zenneck Wave can work at any frequency  it will have different name  and little different  technique of excitation.
In regards to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIABIU3tRw&t=487s
pointed by me  in my comment  from above.
Group of surface waves  includes Zenneck Wave along with other types of "the same"  listed.
All of them  use INTERFACE  but we decided to  find by ourselves  how Electromagnetic Wave in the Interface
(the Zenneck Wave having now different name )
behaves. We test it with tool below at optical  frequency  range.
https://accusrc.com/uploads/datasheets/5153_OSA-155.pdf
This is a field-ready optical spectrum analyzer offering measurements of wavelength, power, and optical SNR on the different carriers of multiwavelength signals
in the range 1450 to 1650 nm. Internal wavelength reference for high wavelength measurement accuracy. Fast and complete DWDM system analysis .
Easy and intuitive touchscreen operation. Can be powered by AC line, external DC, or internal battery.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3641 on: December 27, 2021, 01:17:04 PM »
Zaczęło się Polskie Piekiełko  :D :D :D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3642 on: December 27, 2021, 01:46:04 PM »
@Wesley.
Pełna zgoda.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3643 on: December 28, 2021, 09:04:21 AM »
Wesley co do oscylacji w jonosferze, to nie jest tylko kwestia fotonów, to są bardzo złożone interakcje procesów występujących w jonosferze i magnetosferze, polecam prostą i przyjemną lekturę: https://www.mps.mpg.de/phd/theses/spatial-and-temporal-structure-of-alfven-resonator-waves-at-the-terrestrial-plasmapause ,  oraz trza użyć wujka google i poszukać "Magnetosphere Alfven resonator" , "Ionosphere Alfven Resonator" , to taki prezent na gwiazdkę  ;D.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3644 on: December 31, 2021, 06:18:09 PM »
Happy New Year to all of you
Wesley