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d3x0r

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1635 on: September 09, 2019, 07:13:31 AM »
Hello, long time no type...
@Wesley
I have a few ideas that I'd like some feedback on... my parent's recently bought a new property and I've been re-looking at ideas I've seen. 

1.  The first was LED garden lights, using the ground as a single-wire-no-return conductor to remote coils and stepdowns to power LED lights for the drive path, and various... 1)
if There is a a large board with a lot of tuning forks that all resonate at the same frequency, doesn't that collecitively have more energy than none (although tuning forks would be unloaded,
whereas I'm putting LEDs on which would consume some of the energy)... 
I haven't really seen anyone progress with a distrubuted ground-based tesla system... have you?
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Cieling fans...


There's also these bladeless fans (truly bladeless, working much like a tesla turbine)
https://exhalefans.com/  they have a patent on it so... can't just produce these I suppose;
but the patent does seem overly specific, and with only slight modifications can fall outside it.


which then also reminded me to look into ' schauberger repulsine '
https://frankgermano.wordpress.com/viktor-schauberger-the-repulsine/
which instead of having a flat disk, has a disk with a sin-wave ripple in it.


considering the air flow of that fan though, the widening space as the radius increases,
I suppose (after refreshing on venturi effect) decreases the speed of the air moving laterally out as there's more space to fill, or
it would be lower pressure... higher tempurature I suppose.
But then, if instead of having flat disks, the disks were rippled, probably so each layer is 180 degrees out of
phase with the next so the chambers and gaps are smallest/largest instead of being parallel...
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Air Multiplier...
So then a variation of that that, if you look up 'bladeless fan' actually goes to dyson fan
(which was invented 30 years ago by toshiba apparently [size=78%]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/6377644/Dyson-fan-was-it-invented-30-years-ago.html
but never produced.... )  which isn't actually bladeless at all, but appears to be on the surface.
It is mostly a ring, with a chamber that exits a 3mm slit (velocity increase) behind a coanda foil with an open center. 
In this open system, it is claimed to get 15x the airflow than the originating bladed fan... the narrow slit accelerates a
cylinderical air circle at 55mph(dyson) which then induces air in the center, as the coanda air foil expands the ring, creating a lower pressure,
which draws air in through the center of the ring.  Then additionall there's an entrainment of air on the outside as it draws air around the outside of the ring also...
(see really bad attached image...)
couldn't these be chained so a very small one x15 into one with a gap around the ouside into another pipe to another similar mulitplier.

Is this entirely useless because although the airflow is 15x it's at 1/15th the speed/pressure?
Being an open system, it's certainly not limited to a confinement...

Should be able to almost 3d print some really small replicas, and then just blow a little to start it, and it would sustain itself (should probably include a blocking off switch too...
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And that brings me back to - so... can a current in a wire induce currents?  High frequency signals on the outside of a wire, and lower in the inside? 
(I don't know... I don't see a way to get from the above hydro(fluid)-dynamic system to electornics in this case....

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1636 on: September 09, 2019, 06:48:36 PM »

forks if  they vibrate mechanically than we dealing with F of sound and  longitudinal wave.
If direction of  the longitudinal   wave  energy  having the same vector direction can become sum  of vectors  than  Yes.
the energy of forks  will be concentrated  after all of the losses.



Wesley   
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d3x0r

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1637 on: September 09, 2019, 08:27:35 PM »
The tuning forks thing is to liken many  exact same Inductance Coils/Capactance Toploads in resonance with an original generator...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1638 on: September 10, 2019, 03:25:06 AM »
Part #2

which then also reminded me to look into ' schauberger repulsine '
https://frankgermano.wordpress.com/viktor-schauberger-the-repulsine/
which instead of having a flat disk, has a disk with a sin-wave ripple in it.
Viktor Schauberger
https://youtu.be/yXPrLGUGZsw?t=2297

1. Kelvin Generator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

2.  Resonance Structures/Assigning Formal Charge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYCzeFEAfjg
conditions for resonance  look here  for 30  seconds only :-
https://youtu.be/fYCzeFEAfjg?t=410 
comment
nitrogen  N in form of gas can be mechanically separated  from air.
2b.  .not  included in video  but helpful
carbon
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Carbon (from Latin: carbo "coal") is a chemical element with
the symbol C and atomic number 6. It is nonmetallic and tetravalent—making four electrons available to form
covalent chemical bonds. It belongs to group 14 of the periodic table.  Three isotopes occur naturally, C and C being stable, while C is a
radionuclide, decaying with a half-life of about 5,730 years.  Carbon is one of the few elements known since antiquity
Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth's crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after
hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. Carbon's abundance, its unique diversity of organic compounds, and its unusual ability to form polymers
at the temperatures commonly encountered on Earth enables this element to serve as a common element of all known life.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=carbon&pc=MOZI&form=MOZCON

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1639 on: September 10, 2019, 12:06:03 PM »
Related Victor Schauberger Wirbel/Vortex/Swirl research :

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&q=pax+pacific+impeller&oq=pax+pacific+impeller&aqs=heirloom-srp..
" impeller can mix 4 millions gallons of water using only 150 Watts "
"butterfly"- Chaos-theory : how much energy as Brownian movement this 150 Watt can stimulate in 4 million of gallons( gallon  : ancient portuguese mass : 3,785 Liter) of water


http://egm-international.com/index_co2.htm  Vortex-/Wirbel-Wandler/Converter
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windhexe
Used Substantives /Nomen + deklination( Nom.,Dativ,Genitiv,Akkusativ,Ablativ,Vokativ). and Infinitives/Verbum+ conjugation( 1.Pers., 2.Per.,... Singularis/Pluralis + termination : Praesens,Praeteritum,Perfect,Plusquamperfekt,Futur I ,Futur II):
tornar = to turn = tourner = drehen = winden= vertere  Tornado/Vertex or Vortex
Wind/Vento/Bento and Gesch-Wind-igkeit= velocity /velocidade
velare, velo= round/rotation velociped from um-runden/rotieren/to round rotare  ( per second/minute/hour/....) Rotor
stare=estar( todifferfrom: ser) =stehen= to stand Stator Still-Stand E-/e-/state as social Nation and as statistical Situation/ Moment

The first "Neuzeit-Akademie der Wissenschaften""Physics" father- language has been Latin,

 later German(Reichkanzlei zu Prag/Praha -Hochdeutsch

zu lithografische Institut/Duden-Hochdeutsch"= (hannoverische Welfen-)saechsisch=saxonic
 /French/ Anglosaxonic(= english, no scottish/irish/Walsh = celto-iberic languages)
Who can not read original publication language and only trust to given by 2nds/3rd their hand. and mind translations get probably "dimensional" basic idea reproduction errors  !


Our thinking and as translation tool: spoken and written language is 4 and more dimensional like the assimilated
4 and more dimensional algometric humbots digital mind for the human-free industrial production. !
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1640 on: September 10, 2019, 10:57:57 PM »
Re: 3. Vortex Tubes
These aren't either Shauberger or Dyson Air Mulitplier....
while interesting, Viktor Schauberger had literally curled tubes... which for certain capacitiies of fluid velocities reduce flow rates... but they require tuning to operate in a certain range...

d3x0r

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1641 on: September 11, 2019, 07:45:23 AM »
(although as I was considering it; certainly Vortex Tubes shouldn't be ignored)


So... they say dolphins and other fish will make vortex rings to eat... It didn't really click how that would work until I saw this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqATMuyAhPo 'How To Build A Fire With A Plunger' is a terrible name for the video.
8:27 Intro to clip of fish doing so
11:31 goldfish crackers get caugnt, and swept along ring

Which... I'd suppose if there was small things like plankton they would get caught up also, and (perhaps) the vortex is slurped up like a straw full of micro food stuff

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Vortex Rings... I saw a coanda quad copter today also; wasn't very good... I think there's something missing, either fins to divert the airflow circularly, or a lip, or ripple to cause rings to happen... but then I guess rings are self-stable and don't influence the outer flows very much

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« Reply #1642 on: September 12, 2019, 12:51:55 AM »
Vortex rings ~ Ampere-turns circum-venting/swirling the coil ( out-side / in-side) :
                                               peripetal and/or centrifugal movement

                                    Up to 990 KW output/ ? weight
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19881020&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
                                    Up to 1 MW/ 27,2 Kg ( 60  lbs )
https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.wonksmedia.com/dec.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiE7q_35MnkAhUpA2MBHWH2BGkQFjACegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1bVcXEBtDsFIpTC0QlPVz2

                       
                   per KW installation : 10 Euros/KW private endconsumer/industrial consumer price  ?

                       1 MW x 10 Euros = 10000 Euros / device weight : 27,2 Kg =  367 Euros/Kg


 Imris generator production costs calculation( permalloy, copper, capacitor,...)  32 Euros/ Kg (2012 list prices)


By material value 10 Euros/KW( included well margin )  generator will become real  and an alternative to                                             
                                            1500 Euros/KW solar/Wind/Biogas "farming".



For me only known higher power-to-weight ratio devices :
         
                                   https://patents.google.com/patent/US8847720B2/en

And
                   https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=45&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A#
                                                                                       +

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.sciencealert.com/world-s-oldest-nobel-prize-winner-says-his-new-device-will-give-clean-cheap-energy&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwif2Ye47cnkAhWlx4UKHbgWBRAQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3MFcU2G_SFVRKzLOQLzNeo

or instead

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19870527&CC=DE&NR=3540683A1&KC=A1#

                                                                                       +

                                   10@7 W per sqm=  10 MW/sqm = 1 KW/sq-cm conversion possibility

                  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941018&CC=US&NR=5356484A&KC=A#

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1643 on: September 12, 2019, 02:20:35 PM »
To compare the Zielinski/Sines generator fair :
the Harold Goldbaum with Zielinski apparent power-to-weight ratio :
Zielinski ( 4500 Ampere x 220 Volt/50 Hz) / weight
Sines 1 MW : ? Hz/27,2 Kg
Goldbaum : if with 400 Hz 60 KW per hour then with 50 Hz = 7,5 KW per hour dividing  with weight 705 ccm x 7,5 g
= 7,5 KW/5,3 Kg power-to weight ratio
Resume :

Goldbaum generator by weight and same output frequency more than 25x times heavier than Sines/ Zielinski generator

Technology for superconductive devices becomes cheaper :
https://patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=13984 by Anatoly Rokhvarger and Lubov Chigirinsky and M.Topchiashvili ( 2000,2004)

91° Kelvin :  ::) hmm,  mit der Schukeyschen Delta-Omega Maschine, kaskadiert : =  - 180 ° Celsius

Kelvin Zeropoint to Celsius Zeropoint  ?
https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Schukey
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thermodyna.com%2Fjuergen-schukey.html

+
Ed Sines US Navy work :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20010710&CC=US&NR=6259347B1&KC=B1#

Based by their priority dates : Schukey, Sines/US Navy and the HTS coil : global open source ( excl. US 2004 application https://patents.google.com/patent/US7632784 )
civil and military carrier technology for land,sea and air

High power electric beam tool/weapon :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=68&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19891018&CC=DD&NR=272727A1&KC=A1#
High energy focus-point delivery : Mega- up to Gigawatt

Un-/friendly application possibility :
Fast cutting house walls, granit cavity engraver( for new water delivering channel f.e.),closed Tresor opener,
military tanks and jets internal heat increaser ( soldiers" cross" like fried chicken) ,
bridges/dams and tunnels e-cutter , 
nuclear solid/liquid waste incineration,minerals smelter et cetera pipapo


Ready for the future eWar without frontier  !  This, WE ARE : from cold war era to eWargames competition  !
Telemetrical : by joy-stick  ;D for Collateralwins
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1644 on: September 16, 2019, 05:13:08 AM »
summary:
The  real  power used by  Tx  was  quite small and insufficient to
provide coast to coast communication.
However total power used to power Tx  was huge.
Spark gap created    spectrum  of   frequencies having  one dominating center  of  the lob
where  the amplitude was  at  its  highest.
So when receiver or transmitter  shifted from  desired  target frequency  than adjacent frequency was immediately available to be used due to existing wide  spark gap spectrum.
The  bandwidth   of  Rx and Tx circuitry was  so wide, so Rx  and Tx  was always  tuned for communication. 
look here :
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=939

By comparison Tariel Kapanadze used  at  his first devices Tesla Coil and spark gap.
So  the spectrum of frequencies created exactly the same lob  with ready to  use   frequencies.
but now     our Tx  is made by nature.
There   are many  different  ways of activation:
https://youtu.be/XOTLfnMOSqQ?t=990
Due to Tesla coil characteristic  when you  have Top Capacitor on the  top of Tesla coil  RF signal is only present in near  field and than is vanishing.
by rules of Brewster Angle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster%27s_angle

So we may think that Marconi used big masts and aerial  antennas in Tx .
however in Rx he used   balloon  with straight piece of wire.
And  that receiver is our key point
The receiver could only receive surface  wave  as it was sensitive only to that what could exist in near field of Rx


the receiver and transmitter must be alike  but acts  in reverse.
Tx  is transmitting  to   primary  coil and induces   voltage in HV secondary winding. 
Rx is receiving signal  using HV coil and   is   inducing it into Low voltage  coil.

Note:
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both  the receiver and transmitter must be alike  but acts  in reverse.
that means  Rx and Tx don't have to look  alike but  they must act electrically  as if they were  the  same.

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1645 on: September 17, 2019, 03:42:38 AM »
question  to Wesley:
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I used a stack of rings cores  wound it with 48 turns and added a parallel cap of 0.2 uf. 200nf
and fed it with 40khz resonance max amplitude placed one scope channel across the coil and stabbed each turn of the winding in turn
hoping to get a phase shift up the coil but all that changed was the amplitude.
Any idea's or what am I doing wrong ?

This  require
 slow wave velocity 
https://www.britannica.com/science/wave-velocity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_velocity

link below:
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/369046/transfer-function-of-phase-change-controlled-with-capacitance
:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGel5QNSkIQ
for capacitive reactive  circuits.

other links;
RLC Circuits (5 of 14) Inductive Reactance; Phase Shift, Phasor Diagrams, Frequency, An Explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEjBHmXDBqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idf1JQ003nc
RLC Circuits (13 of 14) Summary of RLC Circuit Analysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30J5U0ThRUc
Phase Shift in AC Signals



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHXZ9C914S0
Build A Simple Phase Shift Circuit
this should be easy enough
basically  without going to anything difficult
it is behavior of capacitive reactance and inductive reactance in the  same circuit.
and that can be shown easily on Smith Chart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_chart

other example:
from practical stand point
1.If you feed two coils with the same signal   but number  of turns is  different  than you get phase shift
2 If you feed straight piece of wire and  coil from the same signal  than you get phase shift
3. if you feed  two exact coils with  the same signal but one coil has capacitor in series than you get phase shift ( however  F  of resonance will not be the same)
4. if you feed  two exact coils with  the same signal but one coil has capacitor in parallel  than you get phase shift ( however  F  of resonance will not be the same)
5. if you feed  two exact coils with  the same signal but pitch ( space  between winds is not the same)  than you get phase shift
  and so on.....
6. take two coils but  one of  the coils will have few winds in  CCW  you  will get   phase shift

hint:
1.wind two windings  on the former  with   the same number of winds.like bifilar.
2.connect two ends  together at the bottom and two  ends together   from the other side   of assembly.
3.  feed it from the same generator
4. now try to short   few winds  of  one of the coils with piece of wire and look at scope.
you will see two signals separated by delay.
if you carefully  chose the <short point> you  will regulate phase.
but to  see  that you need to adjust frequency !!!!!

one possible explanation out of many:

if there is difference between two coils in length  of the wire  than one signal from one of the coils will arrive faster than the signal from second coil.
the signal from  the coil with more  winds is called slow wave 

 

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1646 on: September 17, 2019, 05:52:38 PM »
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However  that device or rather   mechanical concept  of two pancake shape coiled springs ( mechanical watch  springs)
I assumed that these were not coil springs, but trajectories of motion of some mass.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1647 on: September 17, 2019, 07:57:50 PM »
It doesn't matter .
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coil springs, but trajectories of motion of some mass.
is 
-the classical mechanics.


Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1648 on: September 18, 2019, 12:25:20 AM »
Standing wave and resonance - two required conditions to send energy via surface wave.
Do we have standing wave at resonance in series LC circuit ( tesla coil ) or
they are adjusted separately?
Magnet wire is sold in spools of aprox. length. Unfortunately i have wind my coils without
making a measurement. Now this two "same" coils are not same at all.
How can i choose top load capacitance to get all the numbers right.
"Approximately" 500 feet 25awg wire and coil  has  3.89mH  . I tried to measure  ohms and
compare it to online calculators but its not taking me anywhere.

Thx