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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #1770 on: January 03, 2019, 11:47:00 PM »
I follow this diskussion for some while now ... its not my intend to express my view on the topic ..
how ever this is eventually little aid for wesley to help some guys here out in termes of understanding..
1 http://www.vlf.it/inductor/inductor.htm  about schumann phenomena
2 https://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/frank_radio_antenna_magloop.htm     scroll down and look for distribution of voltage and current .
all the best Jo
Thank you very much  my dear Jo.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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« Reply #1771 on: January 04, 2019, 02:31:33 AM »
Is " resonance" good ( = desireable) or is it bad ( = neutralize, eliminate) ?
Explanation about the several kinds and views of " resonance" and how to treat :
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7843299B2/en       
Very  entertaining Thank you. This  patents uses typical method of magnetic amplifiers by implementing additional winding  exactly as primary winding but  acting   as parallel resonance circuit.,
that means   in resonance all frequencies are allowed   but one..  and if you short them to ground than you have reluctance switch when core is used.
when core is not used such as  air transformer you have perfect  overload preventing mechanism.
There is one moment useful to us for general understanding  of our phenomena of interest.
Wesley

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« Reply #1772 on: January 04, 2019, 03:51:25 AM »
Important  links with corresponding pictures.:
1. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8466-teslas-magnifying-transmitter-replications-4.html  Please go to  middle of the page and look for  picture ad #1
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Originally Posted by William Beaty 
This only can work because the long, thin coil will support slowly-moving electromagnetic waves,
and the electron-sea within the metal of this coil behaves as if it's become compressible...
The EM fields are transverse. And the only thing which acts like a "longitudinal" wave is the density of free electrons in the wire.
The  author  of this comment on  original  drawing  did make  mistake.
look here https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg529434/#msg529434

2. http://www.tuks.nl/Mirror/tfcbooks_Tesla/articles/tws12.htm

3
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uii9clp_DSg rybki.. the fishes.
That is what makes slow wave the group velocity
You can  write in YouTube  word "group velocity" to find easier  to understand material.
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« Reply #1773 on: January 04, 2019, 09:52:00 AM »
Hello and good morning all and together  ::) here Wesley, probably to understand this dimension ( multiple choice):
https://www.google.com/search?q=compton-current&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b

 radial Compton current and transverse Compton current
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Frequency/ mass ratio
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=667647A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19291018&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#1x machine = 20 Hz output          3 machine x  parallel = 60 Hz output  : combined 300 W or 900 W ?Newton* meter ! Pony brake ! Experiment and result ? 900 W 20 Hz ~ 300 W 60 Hz ?
900 W x 20 Hertz = 300 W x 60 Hertz = 18000 WHz
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1/X W x 1/Y Hz, 1W x 1 Hz,  KHz, MHz,  .........
Dafuer ,wem es interessiert : Dirac surges, "Dirac Sea"( oder Moray Sea)

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« Reply #1774 on: January 04, 2019, 01:48:14 PM »
I notice a lot of misinformation here and there.
Please point at it and provide  support  for your  statement.
A Zenneck surface wave is a planar electromagnetic wave that propagates at the boundary interface between two media with different dielectric constants. Instead of extending in 3D, it extends in 2D, with rapid attenuation when moving away perpendicular to the surface.
There is nothing new about this, it is always an electromagnetic wave with its electric field perpendicular to the surface and its magnetic field parallel to the surface.
  Yes  I agree that is rough  definition of surface wave. You also did not say  nothing new.

Tesla's transmission device has nothing to do with Zenneck's waves, because of the very low frequencies it used, which meant that the transmitter and receiver remained in the same near field,

I  disagree with your disagree  as  it is completely false AND MISLEADING.

The truth is that Tesla structure  is the base for Surface wave, and that structure is the only known to Corum brothers  way achieve  Zenneck Wave.
Viziv tower and Viziv patents   points at Tesla coil as used to achieve it.
TEM in TE  , TM mode have not been used  for energy transfer, and in large reminded unknown. That is why Corum brothers got their first patent resulting US application  filed in 2007.
You  dear F6FLT are only correct in:  rough description o traditional EM wave  not TEM  with modes. So your information F6FLT is misleading.

Explanation  of Wesley:
Historically various method of communication  that used Tesla structure.  Tesla coil  signal in form or regular TE wave on spectrum analyzer  looks like one big envelope of frequencies  starting from  close to  zero to around 1.5GHz
But you can move this envelope or  call it "fish: that has always  one dominating frequency up.
That was due to spark gap  used in the transmitter.
 

at very long wavelengths, it became possible to envision long distances while remaining in the near field. But it means forgetting that the efficiency of such a system depends on the size of the radiating elements, relative to the wavelength.

I'm sorry but again your information F6FLT is  absolutely misleading.
You can build any antenna at any frequency and at any size you want as long as it resonates.
The golden rule for all of you to remember is : is first  resonate than radiate.



If the Schumann frequencies were to be used efficiently, towers would have to be built whose height would represent at least 10% of the earth's radius!
Sorry for the believers in Tesla as God, but on long-distance energy transmission, Tesla screwed up, he was a much better engineer and inventor than a physicist.
Absolutely  misleading statement of F6FLT:
Wesley Explanation:
- You take #45 magnet wire and wind it on 40cm diameter  former . This is your HV Tesla at frequency X= F.max 
If length of that wire was to be straight line vertically it would  react  the same way as that coil that can fit on your table. (F.max. would be little different)
-But now you take 20mm diameter  former and wind Tesla coil  that must have exactly  maximum of F.max (using spark gap  in all three of them)
  over sudden you see that this thin coil it works for you as well.
Typically Tesla Coil works at 100-300kHz. However
Corum brothers  used it with success for Zenneck wave at 52MHz frequency range.

So Schumann  frequency generator can be done  on 2x2 cm PCB.
The capacitive reactance   is the factor making it - along with inductive component to  resonate in frequency of your choice.
https://www.teslacoildesign.com/design.html

Nice try F6FLT. ......But thank you .

Wesley
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« Reply #1775 on: January 04, 2019, 03:15:44 PM »
   He lost it a long time ago. And we are just waiting time listening to him.
He expects us to do what he needs to do, but never will, because he doesn't know how.
    His wife would probably classify him, nuts, and that is the plain truth.
    The jury may be out, but the votes have already been counted...
never mind we all suffer from the mushroom effect!
What is that you say! It's when we are kept in the dark and fed bull shit  :) ;) :D ;D
That's why what Wesly tells us can sound a little strange but true!
But what is it he isn't telling you is the real question.  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #1776 on: January 04, 2019, 03:39:13 PM »
Wesley's contribution as an insightful deep thinking investigator has brought up very important points to take to the bench, his many lab experiments should be applauded.
Typical social engineering trying to get people to toss out the baby with the bathwater.  One must consider the source of derision, as there is an intended outcome.

Another possible challenge to the Corrum bros is the Robert T Hart patents for antenna design claiming mag field perturbation without EM radiation.  Claims are different workings similar at the surface boundary.  US20070013595A1  When tuning is correct reactance cancels EM component.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_field

"The first objective of this article is to explain what surface plasmons and surface plasmon polaritons are. The term surface plasmons (SPs) was first coined in the middle of the 20th century to study the response of thin metal foils at petahertz frequencies when subjected to fast electron bombardment. SPs are coherent electron oscillations that exist at the interface between two materials where the real part of the permittivity changes sign across the interface. When an SP couples with a photon, the resulting hybrid excitation is called a surface plasmon polariton (SPP). SP refers to the charge oscillations alone, while SPP refers to the entire excitation of the charge oscillations and the electromagnetic (EM) wave. Under the right conditions, the photon can excite a longitudinal wave of electrons in the metal. The second objective is to describe the evolution of these concepts over the years and illustrate their relation to a surface wave and not to a Zenneck wave. Both Zenneck and surface waves are transverse magnetic (TM) waves. The surface waves thus cannot be excited by transverse EM (TEM) waves but rather by an electron beam that can be effectively generated by a source of electrons or a quasiparticle such as an evanescent wave, which can tunnel through the medium and thus excite the electrons. This electron wave produces its own EM wave, and this plasmonic wave is confined to a very small region near the interface. Hence, SPP is a surface wave with a longitudinal field component that propagates at the interface between a metal and a dielectric at petahertz when the conditions are right and can propagate along the metal-dielectric interface at a wavelength that is shorter than that of incident light until its energy is lost either via absorption in the conductivity of the metal or through radiation in free space. The longitudinal surface wave of an SPP is sometimes wrongly associated with a Zenneck wave. A Zenneck wave is produced at the zero of the reflection coefficient of a plane incident TM wave (at the Brewster angle of incidence) on an air-dielectric interface, whereas surface waves are produced when the TM reflection coefficient is infinite. Both the Zenneck wave and the surface wave are TM waves and are nonradiating, as they have, in general, exponentially decaying fields with distance. For the Zenneck wave, the evanescent transverse field components do not change appreciably with frequency (because the phenomenon of Brewster angle is independent of frequency), whereas for a surface wave, with an increase of the frequency the wave is more closely coupled to the surface. This property makes it possible to distinguish between these two evanescent waves. SPP is generally coupled with Raman scattering and not with Rayleigh scattering. These points are illustrated in the remainder of the article. Hence, surface plasmons/polaritrons are surface waves that are the solution of Maxwell's equations unless perhaps there is a resonant Raman scattering, which is equivalent to exciting the structure with an incident frequency corresponding to the electronic absorption bands, as illustrated in "A Survey of the Various Natures of Light Scattering"

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« Reply #1777 on: January 04, 2019, 03:42:11 PM »
After5 seconds reading: Peta-Hertz !!!
 WELLCOME : Fermi-Dirac Dimension

similar re-/search: https://books.google.pt/books?id=v_K6jmnGTS4C&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=zpe+mead&source=bl&ots=pwEFF0FmhC&sig=F2_H4wwEajK1bzoM_tGW-yl6G2Q&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiO_5qz5dTfAhWLMhQKHe6tD-AQ6AEIGzAG#v=onepage&q=zpe%20mead&f=false

You can dream out the device but actually this is prototype stage in lab !After the prototype the mass production machine prototype,........
What helps to have an antenna if the L...-gap is a. too short b. too large  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larmor_precession
  Raman- Bose + Einstein-Bose                             
                                KONDENSAT ! ???
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« Reply #1778 on: January 04, 2019, 03:48:33 PM »
I notice a lot of misinformation here and there.

A Zenneck surface wave is a planar electromagnetic wave that propagates at the boundary interface between two media with different dielectric constants. Instead of extending in 3D, it extends in 2D, with rapid attenuation when moving away perpendicular to the surface.
There is nothing new about this, it is always an electromagnetic wave with its electric field perpendicular to the surface and its magnetic field parallel to the surface.

It has been used since the beginning of the 20th century for long and medium wave radio transmissions. A hectometric frequency band has even been reserved for exclusive maritime use, due to the excellence of this type of propagation on the sea surface.
As always in radio where the signal weakens in 1/r², surface wave or not, it is therefore impossible to use these waves to transmit energy.

Tesla's transmission device has nothing to do with Zenneck's waves, because of the very low frequencies it used, which meant that the transmitter and receiver remained in the same near field, unlike the LW and MW radio waves. This was precisely the interest of the device, since the strong coupling obtained in this way made the transfer between transmitter and receiver much more efficient.
With very low frequencies, therefore very long wavelengths, it became possible to envision long distances while remaining in the near field. But it means forgetting that the efficiency of such a system depends on the size of the radiating elements, relative to the wavelength. If the Schumann frequencies were to be used efficiently, towers would have to be built whose height would represent at least 10% of the earth's radius!
Sorry for the believers in Tesla as God, but on long-distance energy transmission, Tesla screwed up, he was a much better engineer and inventor than a physicist.
hi F6FLT,

I think you have misinterpreted Tesla's method of transmission like the rest of the 99% typical crowd whom prefer to believe in Marconi whom applied "electromagnetic waves" for long distance radio communication.
Isn't that what we were taught.
But words like Zenneck's waves or maybe surface waves was not used during that era but that is not the point.

After Wesley have presented his
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demonstration.

The first video i can directly associate/recall is Eric Dollard-Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity.
Before you start commenting on anything.

Please watch Eric dollard full video or start from 34minute into video as provided.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFa-IymyWHM
From the above video it's easy for me to understand which type of dielectric containing a particular noble gas can be used to enhance transmitting range better than what Wesley likely have used for the recent zenneck video which is already considered a successfully replicated demo model.   :D

I do admit one thing-surface wave even if fully understood can't be used for interstellar communication. :-X

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« Reply #1779 on: January 04, 2019, 04:06:47 PM »
For applyability I can not except a bulb as q.e.d. device ! Excluded: as magnetostatic heater or light source
This current has to charge a battery or capacitor or flywheel !
Then it ,the battery/ capacitor charge capacity, is universal useable !

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« Reply #1780 on: January 04, 2019, 04:21:57 PM »
Wesley,
Where is the surface wave receiving antenna in Kapanadze green box video?

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« Reply #1781 on: January 04, 2019, 05:03:05 PM »
Gabriel Kron said his network analyzer for the navy worked without the power source after it was started from battery. He said negative resistors exist and open circuits using them is the answer.

Trying to hunt down his paper where he said this, but it seems every archive has the other papers and not his...

The Tensor is the Tensor society's paper and this paper is from 1963-64

He also said that in systems theory it is customary to replace negative resistance with a capacitor and positive with a inductor. Then he said that if the system appears to have a negative resistance in it, it behaves like there is one. So no "actual" component is necessary, if the system thinks there is one.

Also interesting that only reference to Kron's paper is in Bearden's page and the reference to that paper says "unknown". Everybody else references Bearden. Took me a while to track down which paper Bearden was referring to




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