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Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #660 on: December 14, 2018, 11:57:45 PM »
Hi Void,
If there are measurements of the ground wire current and scope traces, I'm interested in. Could you or someone else point us them?

With regard to speculation, there is also a question of method to be applied.
The proposals "here is a functional device" and "there is evidence of cheating" are not at all equivalent.
This is linked to the burden of proof, which lies only with those who make the first assertion, the positive assertion (the second being relative to the first one). It is a question of logic, and in the absence of sufficient technical details on the device, that is all that remains. To get out of a belief system, proof must be provided by those who claim that the machine works.

Hi F6FLT. The measurements on the ground wire were done with a clamp ammeter placed over the ground wire.
This can be seen in a couple of the earlier video demos if I recall correctly, but I don't have web links handy.
I am aware that there are factors that could potentially render such measurements unreliable.
I make no claim about whether those readings taken could be considered reliable or not.

Kapanadze is not trying to prove anything to the world as far as I know. Last I heard a few years ago
he was looking for someone to buy his technology from him. If someone were interested in buying the technology
from him, it would be up to them to make sure proper steps are taken to determine the device works as
claimed before paying him. I do not claim to know whether Kapanadze's device is genuine or not,
so no belief system involved at all. I keep an open mind because what I have seen seems to hold up reasonably well to scrutiny.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #661 on: December 15, 2018, 12:52:21 AM »
Hoppy this is about all i have found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7C1b7-w3Hs

but if your thinking of sucking energy from the ground here, think about how thunder and lightning works!
the ground must be more negative than the sky so to do that won't you need produce a high positive pulse?
But remember although it's more positive than the ground it's still more negative than the sky  ;D ;D
« Last Edit: December 15, 2018, 06:59:43 AM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #662 on: December 15, 2018, 09:30:56 AM »
Hoppy this is about all i have found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7C1b7-w3Hs

but if your thinking of sucking energy from the ground here, think about how thunder and lightning works!
the ground must be more negative than the sky so to do that won't you need produce a high positive pulse?
But remember although it's more positive than the ground it's still more negative than the sky  ;D ;D

Actually,the clouds become negatively charged at the bottom,and  positively charged at the top.
Once the charge separation becomes high enough,the negative charge discharges to !what is now! a positively charged earth surface.


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r2fpl

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #663 on: December 15, 2018, 11:12:42 AM »
Maybe for the fact that nobody tries to place mercury, which is a fuel.

https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg195032/#msg195032

Mercury is banned and threatened with imprisonment in my country. There are other harmful substances, too, and they do not have such restrictions. That would be interesting. Of course, mercury is harmful, so everyone knows.

Does Kapanadze use mercury?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #664 on: December 15, 2018, 05:27:30 PM »
@Hoppy and Void

Thanks for the information about measurements of the ground wire with a clamp ammeter.
Nevertheless I'm afraid it's by far not enough: a clamp ammeter is generally designed for low frequencies (less than 10 KHz, ideally the mains frequency) and for sine signals. If there are RF currents it can be totally disturbed due to resonance or antiresonance in the inner coil. A trick consisting to put RF power in the wire couldn't clearly be viewed. As already mentionned, extraordinary claim require indisputable facts, especially when no other elements allow a duplication.

Hi F6FLT. It appears you did not read my reply to you. I already stated clearly that I was
fully aware that there are factors that could potentially make the clamp ammeter readings unreliable.
However, since we don't know the frequency and type of waveform(s) which were on the ground wire and output wire,
it is unknown if those current readings were at all accurate or not. However, the readings seemed to be ballpark for
the rough amount of power the light bulbs were apparently consuming.

I don't agree. Kapanadze filed a patent. A patent is a publicity for an invention intended to be used in the general interest of people while respecting the intellectual property of the inventor. So this is proof that Kapanadze wants to prove something. If he has filed a patent that cannot be used, that is what we are seeing,  it is cheating and he is accountable.
The only excuse I could see, which in fact is not really one, is that he has something but he is unable to understand the least reason of the functioning. This would explain why he is not cooperative because someone else could find the cause and filed another patent including the principle of functioning. In any case, once again, we are involved in idle speculation from which Kapanadze's device never comes out!

What you write here is of course just at the level of speculation, calling it 'proof' to try
to bolster what you prefer to believe; AKA rationalization. People typically file patents to
try to protect their 'intellectual property'. Those patents were filed in conjunction with a company
that Kapanadze was working with at the time. From what I have seen, it is not so uncommon for people
to file patent applications and leave out critical details in order to establish them self as the 'inventor',
but still not give away the 'critical secrets' of the invention. Possibly that is what they were trying to do.
I don't know. Anyway, as I have said I am not much interested in baseless speculation. You are free
to believe and assume anything you like, but I will reserve judgment until I see some actual credible
evidence either way.

« Last Edit: December 15, 2018, 09:19:06 PM by Void »

r2fpl

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #665 on: December 15, 2018, 08:11:21 PM »
This is not a coaxial cable! This is the HV cable from spark plugs (car). This is clearly visible.

If you watched your film carefully, you would have seen it. Same cable but green and blue is GreenBox/Kapanga version.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #666 on: December 15, 2018, 10:02:15 PM »
Hi Hoppy. What do you feel is off topic with regards to: "Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum" ?
(I still haven't watched that video section yet, but I will get to it as soon as I have a chance. I am running around today. ) :)
Hi Void,
I have re-looked at those frames many times and I'm still uncertain about things because of poor video quality but my instinct is telling me that if there is a trick then its the bearded man dealing it.
To put it crudely, I feel that the thread is becoming an academics pissing contest!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #667 on: December 15, 2018, 10:43:28 PM »
This is not a coaxial cable! This is the HV cable from spark plugs (car). This is clearly visible.

If you watched your film carefully, you would have seen it. Same cable but green and blue is GreenBox/Kapanga version.
It does not make any difference  if it is coaxial cable or just HV spark cable.
The only that counts is  1 conductor and dielectric.
Yes dielectric is the most important here.
It was a need for  so many years to get to this  conclusion.
That is why I ask all of these questions  our friend F6FLT
https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/172642/why-does-a-capacitor-create-a-90-degree-phase-shift-of-voltage-and-current
Wesley

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« Reply #668 on: December 15, 2018, 11:10:40 PM »
Off Topic:
Regarding Daniel McFarland Cook, he was an interesting guy.
He was the successful inventor of a popular sugar evaporator machine in the 1800's.
He also has a granted patent for an induction based free energy device which I think he said was going to
be the engine for his flying machine.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US119825A/en?oq=US119825

I referred to his flying machine as a metal 'shed', but looking at the picture again, it looks more like it
might have been a custom made capsule for the purpose of being McFarland Cook's flying machine. :)
It was in later years used by somebody else to be a smoke house, I believe.


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« Reply #669 on: December 16, 2018, 01:38:54 AM »
Am I on the right thread here?
Wesley Hi re the caduceus coil  Any idea what the pipe Dia was 'roughly' and the number of turns and possibly
wire diameter the drawing shows about 40 turns if that's anything to go on?

Many thanks, AG

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #670 on: December 16, 2018, 04:03:35 AM »
Hi Void,
I have re-looked at those frames many times and I'm still uncertain about things because of poor video quality but my instinct is telling me that if there is a trick then its the bearded man dealing it.

Hi Hoppy. I watched the video closely again, including the frames with the bearded guy, but
can't see any wires that I can definitely say are out of place. With ground wires and possibly
lengths of unused wire laying on the ground that they weren't using, and with poor video quality
I can't really say what might be suspicious or not there. :)


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« Reply #671 on: December 16, 2018, 04:56:28 AM »
Hi everyone,
There is an article which isn't easy to find in the internet which is related to "Nikola Tesla interview with lawyer 1899" unedited version not the newspaper version.
Inside article Tesla spoke of current amplification to and from Earth using interrupter setup for Tesla's coil.Question is how do we know if there is current amplification from Earth using Tesla coil with interrupter circuit only.
Achieving frequency acceleration is one thing but current amplification is also very important.

As mentioned previously i am at a disadvantage since i am living in a high rise apartment.Nowhere near ground for me.

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« Reply #672 on: December 16, 2018, 07:03:26 AM »
I reread Daniel McFarland Cook's free energy device patent "improvement in Induction Coils".
As a quick test, I connected a couple of identical transformers, primary 1 to secondary 2,
and primary 2 to secondary 1 in a self-looped arrangement, as Cook seems to have described
in his patent, but he used iron rods instead of steel transformers. I then pulsed this transformer
arrangement with a DC pulse from a 12V battery to see what the waveform looks like on the
transformer wires. I then reversed the wire connections between one of the primary/secondary
connections to see what the difference would be. Nothing too much out of the ordinary was seen.
In the second wire polarity connection test I did (wires flipped), the pulse was a little more self sustaining,
but only a little bit. Nothing much out of the ordinary, I think. See the attached scope shots.

In one newspaper article written about Cook during the time when Cook was still experimenting
with his fee energy generator Cook claimed that "he has sent chunks of iron through the roof of a
building into the air out of sight, and, in his opinion, clear beyond the influence of gravitation into
the ether beyond. He is not confident of his ability to control aerial locomotion, but he hopes
to master this branch of the subject before he dies." . The article did not provide any details
on what exactly Cook was doing when he supposedly sent chunks of iron through the roof of a building.
Was Cook crazy, or did he discover something really unusual? I don't know.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #673 on: December 16, 2018, 12:17:51 PM »
I reread Daniel McFarland Cook's free energy device patent "improvement in Induction Coils".
As a quick test, I connected a couple of identical transformers, primary 1 to secondary 2,
and primary 2 to secondary 1 in a self-looped arrangement, as Cook seems to have described
in his patent, but he used iron rods instead of steel transformers. I then pulsed this transformer
arrangement with a DC pulse from a 12V battery to see what the waveform looks like on the
transformer wires. I then reversed the wire connections between one of the primary/secondary
connections to see what the difference would be. Nothing too much out of the ordinary was seen.
In the second wire polarity connection test I did (wires flipped), the pulse was a little more self sustaining,
but only a little bit. Nothing much out of the ordinary, I think. See the attached scope shots.

In one newspaper article written about Cook during the time when Cook was still experimenting
with his fee energy generator Cook claimed that "he has sent chunks of iron through the roof of a
building into the air out of sight, and, in his opinion, clear beyond the influence of gravitation into
the ether beyond. He is not confident of his ability to control aerial locomotion, but he hopes
to master this branch of the subject before he dies." . The article did not provide any details
on what exactly Cook was doing when he supposedly sent chunks of iron through the roof of a building.
Was Cook crazy, or did he discover something really unusual? I don't know.

What Cook had was an actual patent. I would think they would check the device before granting this patent, since you are trying to patent the "impossible". Funny how the patent is missing the page or pages that explain the part C or what ever he had with the coils.

He was so convinced about his levitating car, that he was witnessing some anomalies. I doubt he got terahertz pulses going, so what comes to mind is asymmetric caps, electrogravitics or pulsed magnetic fields. Shooting metal through the roof is easy with a coil.

I think he is a good example what an inventor can do in a barn

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« Reply #674 on: December 16, 2018, 08:36:40 PM »
No it is rather about violent and aggressive collision
TM mode of TEM  surface wave,  can only travel in the interface

Wesley


If we assume that the earth is the cover of the capacitor it is missing on the other side. The way to force one side to close the circuit is the key to this energy. If we don't take other elements as fuel.