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Author Topic: Kapanadze and other FE discussion  (Read 1147089 times)

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #570 on: November 26, 2018, 05:10:51 PM »
Hi Wesley,
Have you seen anywhere where anyone associated with Zenneck wave research is claiming
that a COP > 1 can be achieved using Zenneck wave technology? Wireless Power transmission
on a large scale is cool if someone can make it work, but if it if it doesn't produce a COP > 1 then
it seems it is not all that significant.
COP more than one is nothing new or uncommon.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-efficiency-and-COP

But as Nick Z said we do not know what kind of implication by means of interaction we can expect from Zenneck Wave and its consequences in physical world.

Wesley

AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #571 on: November 26, 2018, 05:17:39 PM »
   AG:   Nelson will not totally disclose his secret, as well.   Why don't you start there, instead? Let us know how it goes.
because I'm working on other ideas and already stretched with lack resources and if we all work on different
things we might get somewhere if we help each other

What happened to the view that electron stress produced an excess of charged-energy pos and neg separation? back to the old hammer shrimp again?

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #572 on: November 26, 2018, 07:13:44 PM »
Wesly very interesting post thanks foir that one!
Can I get your opinion on this one (i'm OK on translation. but is it BS or fact without actually building it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8q8CWTjpAY
I would appreciate any positive feedback on this post

NickZ in the PDF 'cold war secrets' it talks about sharp narrow pulse and a long recovery period a relay' if you look at Nelson's
old website on YouTube most of his stuff was started with a battery and a vibration sound he showed a modified relay coil
why not start there but I think you will need to experiment for the correct timing of the LC and on off ratio. Mind boggling!  8) 8)
Power supply has limited current.
like weak person holding the pile of  wood  in more or less comfortable  position, so his summary vector of power dissipation
uses more or less energy for holding the same load with or without additional losses.
ratio between both primaries winding is 1:1
ratio between primary and secondary is 1:1.5
Power Supply is limited with current.  Control light-bub at PS indicates more or less comfortable to the PS dissipation of available power.
But Energy dissipated at the grid ( outlet) will show you no gain.
And the experimenter does not provide us with any measurement of power delivered to the PS.
There is nothing interesting here taking place.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #573 on: November 26, 2018, 07:56:12 PM »
COP more than one is nothing new or uncommon.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-efficiency-and-COP

But as Nick Z said we do not know what kind of implication by means of interaction we can expect from Zenneck Wave and its consequences in physical world.

Wesley

Hi Wesley. Yes, I know what 'COP > 1' represents. :)
So, I take it from your response then that you are not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible. The reason I was asking you
this is because Kapanadze has demonstrated an apparent COP of roughly around 60
(based on the the measured power input compared to the approximate power output to the
light bulb bank. There is no indication that I have seen that Kapanadze was using 'Zenneck waves'.
This idea can only be speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.


stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #574 on: November 26, 2018, 08:35:14 PM »
Hi Wesley. Yes, I know what 'COP > 1' represents. :)
So, I take it from your response then that you are not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible. The reason I was asking you
this is because Kapanadze has demonstrated an apparent COP of roughly around 60
(based on the the measured power input compared to the approximate power output to the
light bulb bank. There is no indication that I have seen that Kapanadze was using 'Zenneck waves'.
This idea can only be speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.
That is interesting Void.
Power measured before interface with traditional equipment not prepared to see real power of Surface Wave should show  ZERO 0V
Tariel did show Self Runner but connected to the ground. By that relation of COP is 0V ratio  to value of  dissipated energy at the output, measured by the load in W.
I agree that :
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This idea can likely be a speculation without any indications at all that he was doing so.
However 
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I'm not aware of anyone associated
with Zenneck wave research claiming a COP > 1 is possible.
But what about the losses?
What  about the inverse square law?

By traditional understanding of laws of conservation of energy ( thermodynamics) there should be no gain unless some kind of interaction I'm not  aware of is present.
Also some statements in Zeneck papers about no losses in relation to the distance from transmitter to the receiver are difficult to  be accepted.
But I might be not enough educated in Zeneck Surface Wave science.
Just the fact that they mentioned it is not only risky  if presented  in front of patent office but courageous.
The origin of no losses can be  analyzed  as well. I do not want to look funny by claiming gain of unknown origin , equaling losses so net value is  zero.
That is why they did not say it in their patents, but in scientific paper   
In  this  case:
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,  if the  total  current  strength  in  every  source-segment  remains  invariable  the  field strength at any distance from the source also remains alike.
page 5 under the picture.
http://nedyn.com/Goubau_1951-X.pdf


Wesley

AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #575 on: November 27, 2018, 02:06:24 AM »
   That's unfortunate Wesley, that you "can do nothing with it".   Tesla could.   I know what to do with it, so did Kapanadze, but you still don't believe him, nor me. That's ok, I'm not trying to convince anyone.   I know there are others out there that will understand, and know what to do with it. Concerning where any extra energy comes from.   It's the action that counts, words are not enough to see empirical results. And guys like Kapanadze are where the action is at. Good thing that he knew what to do with it.  You saw the proof first hand, that was not enough for you? 
   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ApR2IxBcY

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #576 on: November 27, 2018, 07:56:42 AM »
Think the way Tesla did. Earth is metallic conductor of minimal resistance due to immense size. It's like a slide of very thick copper wire. So we know if a wire is powered by electric current there is magnetic field around the wire. The disturbance in this magnetic field in very small area around the wire cannot dissipate if the wire is insulated and very thick -  like Earth.

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« Reply #577 on: November 27, 2018, 05:27:48 PM »
There is a documentary in YOUTUBE with the guy on the technical guy on site talking about it, he wasn't denying any of it. I found it looking up surface waves it also said HF waves are bounced of the ionosphere and ULF bounce back to earth onto its surface so it is really related.  I'm sorry if the other effects it produces don't agree but it's a really eval device.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2018, 08:38:13 PM by AlienGrey »

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #578 on: November 27, 2018, 08:11:05 PM »
Part #4  Zenneck surface Wave for beginners :
this part will be re edited  during today and more information will be  included.
For these who do not yet realize how important  this study is to the whole world please go to  links  at the bottom of this post.below:
Transmitter and receiver of Zenneck Wave.
Today I'm presenting schematic  and Transmitter of Zenneck Surface wave.
Not much to say. Think about AC source 213
-as  multiform and multiphase signal  of the same amplitude and of very high power.
or
-as  the same form but  multiphase signal  of the same amplitude and of very high power.


Power is send by energy units per time frame,  presumably  without losses.  (Wesley:  Well I have problem to  accept it  as of yet )
This is Viziv secret  to scramble access to this energy by creating algorithm that must be used by receiving station/ electric motor ship/ electric car/
to access the energy transmitted in  this form.

In addition internet and  all communication( TV/telephony/ digital)  including some form of submarine communication  may take advantage of use of the same means of surface wave.



Selected by date chronology  of posts  about  VIziv  estimated half a billion  US $ investment in energy transfer without the wire.

https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526668/#msg526668
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526966/#msg526966
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527019/#msg527019
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527029/#msg527029
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527045/#msg527045
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527048/#msg527048
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527200/#msg527200
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527240/#msg527240
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527282/#msg527282
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527284/#msg527284 

Wesley
« Last Edit: November 27, 2018, 11:37:28 PM by stivep »

NickZ

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« Reply #579 on: November 27, 2018, 10:25:02 PM »
No but jb-n107lab has taken his self-running video's down he hardly has any vid's now, there was some Russan or Lithuanian guy sounded like Dolometo
I can't find his website anymore and others too.
point is is it because they are all fakes as Hoppy says or did they work ? Still as you say it all helps to pass the time  ;D ;D

PS thanks for skimatic info on part 4 will look through hyper links with interest.

   AG:  Here is jb-n107lab youtube site:           https://youtu.be/QGo0Dd663ow    Last video was posted about 4 months ago. I think that all his videos are there, still.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #580 on: November 27, 2018, 11:03:48 PM »
   AG:  Here is jb-n107lab youtube site:           https://youtu.be/QGo0Dd663ow the Last video was posted about 4 months ago. I think that all his videos are there, still.
tHAT IS WIERD! with your hyperlink it goes to it but if I view his videos it does not list them, unless i grab the video name and search for that name and
it does come up with the three-part 7,6 and 4, if you listen carefully there is a tone with a slower pulse (spark gap cap dump of energy into the coil, well that's
what it sounds like.

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« Reply #581 on: November 28, 2018, 04:55:20 PM »
   Hoppy:   The idea with Dr. Stiffler's "diode loop" is that there is no need to provide the needed amperage to the leds.
But with just some fluffy voltage, and tiny amount of mAs, the diode loop along with the gutted AC led bulbs themselves would provide and manufacture their own juice to power the bulbs. "Energy out of thin Air". And that part of it does work as he has stated. Unlike the 0.7v drop that most normal diodes circuits would lose, on each diode placed in line. But, other than that, I don't see all that much benefit, nor is there the normal lumen levels at the bulbs, either. Yet my diode loop system is self running while connected to my small solar panel which maintains the batteries up, each day. And may be a more economical way to go, than using just the simple bulbs and batteries. This is all very hard to prove, because once you connect anything up to the circuit, like scopes, multi meters, etz... You just messed up, how it all works.  So, in case you don't understand where the Doc is coming from:  https://youtu.be/8VRqf8E8VIM

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« Reply #582 on: November 28, 2018, 05:37:01 PM »
Nick,

Dr Stiffler refers here to: "a special frequency that's been known about for hundreds of years being picked up by his PSEC. Self-running - yes, so long as the signal is maintained. Have you worked out what this signal is yet? I would stick with your solar panel to get sufficient milliamps needed to light up your LED's to a usable brightness.

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« Reply #583 on: November 28, 2018, 05:53:17 PM »
   Hoppy:   The idea with Dr. Stiffler's "diode loop" is that there is no need to provide the needed amperage to the leds.
But with just some fluffy voltage, and tiny amount of mAs, the diode loop along with the gutted AC led bulbs themselves would provide and manufacture their own juice to power the bulbs. "Energy out of thin Air".
His explanation sounds like BS to me! Fluffy voltage?? He fails to show how he is generating the AC signal shown on the schematics.

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« Reply #584 on: November 28, 2018, 06:16:13 PM »
Nick,

Dr Stiffler refers here to: "a special frequency that's been known about for hundreds of years being picked up by his PSEC. Self-running - yes, so long as the signal is maintained. Have you worked out what this signal is yet? I would stick with your solar panel to get sufficient milliamps needed to light up your LED's to a usable brightness.
   
   Hoppy:
   Not sure where he said that, about the special frequency, but he has mentioned that the 13.5MHz signal is what has worked best for him. My crystal oscillator works best at 12Mhz, and the output at the L3 coil is also a steady 12MHz. Although I tune my coils to 13.5MHz, they seam to work better using the 12MHz crystal oscillator frequency. My rig is on day and night.  The Doc is using a 25v signal generator, for testing and also to provide the AC signal to the diode loop. If that is what you were wondering about. It has been shown on his previous videos
   The PSEC self runner project may have been running on at a different frequency, which I don't recall at this time.
What special frequency has been going on for hundreds of years, is unknown to me. But, it's still about energy from thin air.
   In any case, it is much easier to fine tune onto the  "special frequency" with the SG, than a fixed oscillator, with only moveable ferrite cores to tune with, which don't actually change my frequency, at all. Yet, there is an increase in output at the bulbs while tuning, although the running frequency stays rock steady.   
   I don't know IF the Docs concept concerning the amperage provided by the diode loop along with the led bulbs is correct, or not. But there is something, to the line of switching diodes, along with the series placed led bulbs, that raises the voltage, compared the amount of wattage that would be used normally. Some of these oscillators can run on flea fart power, while producing some minimal light levels.    It's all interesting, in any case. Still the lower lumen levels are the bottle neck, here, in comparison.
   Fluffy voltage was a term that I placed there, not the Doc. However, look at how much amperage jb-n107lab used to start his rig with. So, fluffy voltage it is.  Believe it or not, it's up to you.