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stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #555 on: November 23, 2018, 09:17:17 PM »
Reason for the study:
Viziv wireless tower to transmit energy around the earth with no wires.
due to:

 strong statement
from  Viziv officer and scientist James F. Corum, Ph.D.CPG Technologies, LLC February 17, 2015
who says  in his  paper, nothing less than - inverse square law does not apply so there are no losses. (in horizontal plane- along the earth)The exact wording used is:
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if the  total  current  strength  in  every  source-segment  remains invariable  the  field strength at any distance from the source also remains alike.
The field of the Zenneck wave for a certain normalized sheath-current strength may be designated by EB, HB Let the frequency be the same as that of the dipole.   
http://nedyn.com/Goubau_1951-X.pdf
and
K.L. Corum, Brigadier General (Ret.) M.W. Miller, Ph.D., and J.F. Corum, Ph.D
SURFACE WAVES and THE‘ CRUCIAL’ PROPAGATION EXPERIMENT*
https://s3.amazonaws.com/texzon/TexzonTechnologies+Paper+Download/TEXZON_Baylor_Corum_2016.pdf
The exact wording used is:
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Let us assume that such a current density has been set up along the surface of the Earth, emanating from some injection point
(This condition has been  established  in  practice  with  the  use  of Texzon’s field-matched  surface  wave  probes.)
 By  the  generalized  form  of Ohm’s law, such a current creates a radial electric field,over an     equivalent     circular     aperture of     infinite     radius     on     the     x-y     plane,
and
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Zenneck wave ( is a transmission line mode) without exciting the radiation field!
In point:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527200/#msg527200

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PART#2 of
Introduction to Zenneck Wave for beginners

what is interface:
look at picture below.
-The Zenneck wave, Zenneck surface wave or Sommerfeld-Zenneck surface wave is an inhomogeneous
or non-uniform electromagnetic plane wave incident at the complex Brewster angle onto a planar or spherical boundary
interface between two homogeneous media having different dielectric constants.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]:p. 198
- https://cosmolearning.org/video-lectures/surface-waves-2/
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave


Summary of part #1 and part #2:
-Most of literature for  surface wave is dedicated to  visible light bandwidth of  TEM( transverse electromagnetic wave) -Viziv mention that some experiments  have been conducted at frequency of
-150 MHz.      Fig. 3.
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  52 MHz       Fig. 4.
-    1.82 MHz (
Photo 2.)
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frequency of few  Hz as low as Shumann frequency , was also  mentioned but I lost link to article.
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Fig. 3.  Burrows’ 1936 measured Seneca Lake data over a range from 1 m to 2 km. Curve (1) is the lossless inverse field (Hertz).
 Curve (2) is the van der Pol-Norton ground wave   over a lossy medium (Seneca Lake) with measured data. Curve (3) is the
 Sommerfeld-Zenneck surface  wave over a lossy medium (Seneca Lake). Curve (4) is the lossless dielectric surface wave.
 Curve (1) (the “inverse field”) varies as 1/r. Curve (4)varies as 1/√r.
 Burrows used a dipole antenna at 150 MHz.
at- https://s3.amazonaws.com/texzon/TexzonTechnologies+Paper+Download/TEXZON_Baylor_Corum_2016.pdf

This technology may be also related but may not be as well. to Tariel Kapanadze  Free Energy device.
I have witnessed his device working  and found it legit.
But  there was report that when  Tariel presented his device on the island , lights in  Motel from the other side of the water dividing Island from  steady land  lost  its power for around 70%
This was the Motel  where  crew of Tariel Kapanadze was residing during the show time.
So it this is true than
Motel was acting as transmitter of energy  and Tariel  device on the Island was acting as receiver.
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=684
If that is so than Tariel Kapanadze has the rights  to the technology on the ground of  priority  rights of the earlier filing date.
He filed his application in 2008.
That application was rejected

  Wesley
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AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #556 on: November 24, 2018, 11:03:57 AM »
Hi, this looks like a retro pic from a practical television mag!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJ1V_yDv-c&feature=youtu.be&t=684

See doctored image below!

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« Reply #557 on: November 24, 2018, 02:53:46 PM »
Related to Goubau's article, it should be noted that the propagation depends strongly on the nature of the surface.
Zenneck waves/ surface waves - do not radiate. They move along the interface. They are invisible in perpendicular  plane ( vertically) above and below the interface  (earth surface).   
Long and medium radio waves propagate very well over the sea, which is a much better conductor than the land. Spain is about 400 km from my position with only the Atlantic Ocean in between. Spanish MW radio stations are perfectly received here with strong signals, even during the day, while stations 100 km away in the countryside are poorly heard.
Anyway, I am not able to extract here the slightest milliwatt from the hundreds of KW sent from Spain.
Yes you are.  https://www.radio-electronics.com/info/rf-technology-design/rf-noise-sensitivity/receiver-signal-to-noise-ratio.php
Gain of your antenna  is directly responsible for that mW..
Assuming frequency of all listed by you signals is within AM bandwith, than:
- direction of propagation
- Line-of-sight propagation ( terrain )  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-of-sight_propagation
- attenuation of the ground vs sea.
- distance is always obeying  inverse square law.
And that is what makes some of AM station from particular direction of  far away stations stronger.

Radiant energy is useful only if the energy receiver is coupled to the transmitter, which involves interaction between transmitter and receiver, otherwise the energy is not directed towards the receiver, and it is radiated even if no load is connected, which is a total waste

Antenna of Tx is the load to that Tx.( transmitter)
So if you apply Dummy Load instead of an Antenna than
-Dummy Load  is purely resistive matching impedance of Tx , and all energy is dissipated by that load. No radiation is taking place!!. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_load
Radiant Energy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_energy obeys inverse square law rules.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law. radiation is taking place in all directions
(unless limited by characteristic of an antenna)

Based on material  pointed by Viziv  inverse square law does not apply  to Zenneck Wave ( zenneck surface Wave)
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Norton surface wave, other types of surface wave are the non-radiative Zenneck surface wave or Zenneck-Sommerfeld surface wave,
they are  the  trapped surface wave and the gliding wave. https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Zenneck_wave

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #558 on: November 24, 2018, 06:43:55 PM »


Sonoluminescence was covered by me in https://youtu.be/op4GgbE8xWI?t=388
Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #559 on: November 25, 2018, 01:25:10 AM »
  AG: 
  Don't know what clip you are referring to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdJ1V_yDv-c&feature=youtu.be&t=684

The quote strip on that post takes you to it, does for me. It's close to the end

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« Reply #560 on: November 25, 2018, 09:43:05 AM »
1898 11/30
“Tesla Describes his Efforts in Various Fields of Work” Electrical Review
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As to the idea of rendering the energy of the sun available for industrial purposes, it fascinated me early but I must admit it was only long after I discovered the rotating magnetic field that it took a firm hold upon my mind. In assailing the problem I found two possible ways of solving it. Either power was to be developed on the spot by converting the energy of the sun’s radiations or the energy of vast reservoirs was to be transmitted economically to any distance. Though there were other possible sources of economical power, only the two solutions mentioned offer the ideal feature of power being obtained without any consumption of material. After long thought I finally arrived at two solutions, but on the first of these, namely, that referring to the development of power in any locality from the sun’s radiations, I can not dwell at present. The system of power transmission without wires, in the form in which I have described it recently, originated in this manner. Starting from two facts that the earth was a
conductor insulated in space, and that a body cannot be charged without causing an equivalent displacement of electricity in the earth, I undertook to construct a machine suited for creating as large a displacement as possible of the earth’s electricity.”


The mistake is assumption he thought about solar panels.

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« Reply #561 on: November 25, 2018, 11:33:52 AM »
  If that video at the end is from Old Scientist, well, he could barely light a florescent bulb, from his wireless transfer video while using big bike wheel sized coils, and a spark gap set up.
   His test on wireless transfer from one coil to the receiving coil was about 8 inches distance, and barely and unevenly lighting a florescent tube.  Not too impressive, nor the video that you posted a link to. Jacking the voltage up by a factor of 3, but unable to show it doing anything. Oh, the capacitor stores it. Like for a rainy day?
   The device from YT video that you posted previously from jb-n107lab, was shown self running, and there is a recent video made about 4 months ago. Interesting... and supposed to be self running, as shown in his previous video.  While no other self runners are being shown, at least that I'm aware of.
 
Don't be fooled by the lack of wasted radiation into space the focus is along the tube with bifilar wound L1 but that wasn't the focus there it was the waveform in
the blue box generated by the 'spark gap' was producing a 'SNAP' effect like a 'pistol shrimp'! he shows a threefold back for 1 in with that setup. Watch it again and observe every detail.  see graph on the bottom of the previous page.

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« Reply #562 on: November 25, 2018, 12:00:38 PM »
Related to Goubau's article, it should be noted that the propagation depends strongly on the nature of the surface. Long and medium radio waves propagate very well over the sea, which is a much better conductor than the land. Spain is about 400 km from my position with only the Atlantic Ocean in between. Spanish MW radio stations are perfectly received here with strong signals, even during the day, while stations 100 km away in the countryside are poorly heard.
Anyway, I am not able to extract here the slightest milliwatt from the hundreds of KW sent from Spain. Radiant energy is useful only if the energy receiver is coupled to the transmitter, which involves interaction between transmitter and receiver, otherwise the energy is not directed towards the receiver, and it is radiated even if no load is connected, which is a total waste.
Any DX er will tell you the signal is bounced off the ionosphere relating to its wavelength a bit like Luxembourg in the 60s pop culture but is that true? but how much POWER can you really capture from RF smog? When i was a school kid there was this old guy in phoneadeck's R&D he was an amateur radio enthusiast he had some homebrew radio with a triode and an output pentode 10 watts he could put a 100watt bulb in the output load an output the thing to over full brightness blackening the inside coating with a static charge on the outside. Explain that.

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« Reply #563 on: November 25, 2018, 12:25:07 PM »
Zenneck waves/ surface waves - do not radiate. They move along the interface. They are invisible in perpendicular  plane ( vertically) above and below the interface  (earth surface).
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The waves described in Goubau's article of which you provided the link propagate along the surface, and consist of the magnetic component that is along the surface, and also the electrical component that is in a vertical plane, perpendicular to the surface on which the wave propagates, but is vanishing a few wavelengths above. Although it propagates on the surface, the wave occupies a volume above the surface (of at least a half-wave height).

Any wave that propagates by carrying energy, radiates by definition. The waves in Goubau's paper radiate. If they didn't radiate, we wouldn't need the hundreds of KW that power AM radio transmitters. It is the fact that the wave carries energy from the source that makes us call it a "radiant wave".

Radiant waves are a solution to remote energy transmission only if they are focused between transmitter and receiver. This does not depend on whether the wave is a Zenneck wave or not, but on the ability of the wave to maintain its energy volume when it moves. When the Zenneck wave is an electromagnetic wave transmitted from a radiant pylon antenna, it travels in all directions 360° around the pylon, while remaining along land or sea surfaces.

If you want a wave that doesn't spread, you don't need Zenneck waves especially, but solitons.
The problem is that we don't know yet how to produce this type of wave in free space (even on a surface).


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« Reply #564 on: November 25, 2018, 12:30:44 PM »
This might be off topic but has anyone come across ARTICLE 13 IT COULD KILL THE INTERNET IN THE eu over copyright FULL STOP
STOP IT BEFORE IT BECOMES LAW!

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« Reply #565 on: November 25, 2018, 01:11:44 PM »
Part #3  Zenneck surface Wave for beginners :
this part will be re edited  during today and more information will be  included.
For these who do not yet realized how important  this study is to the whole world please go to  links below:
1. historical path 
Picture #3
https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180183128A1/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20140252886A1/en

2. relation to major players in Viziv.
a.-Dr. James F. Corum (Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering, Ohio State 1974)
b.- Kenneth L. Corum(B.A. in Physics,  Gordon College  1976; Engineering graduate studies at  U. Mass.)
Comment: relation between these two Corum  - they  might be brothers.
c-Brigadier General (Ret.) Michael W. Miller (B.A. University of New Orleans 1981; MBA  University  of  North  Dakota  1988;  Ph.D.,  Walden  University  2011.)
Comment : this US Army General  is a medical doctor Healthcare management professional
but he is now
-      President  and CEO of TEXZON Technologies (Red Oak, TX),
-and President, Viziv Technologies, LLC

d.-http://vizivtechnologies.com/about-us/   here you  have rest of the guys in Viziv
impressive list of people big money big corporations and  oil  industry interest.

Wesley



Selected by date chronology  of posts  about  VIziv  estimated half a billion  US $ investment in energy transfer without the wire. 
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526668/#msg526668
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg526966/#msg526966
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527019/#msg527019
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527029/#msg527029
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527045/#msg527045
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527048/#msg527048
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527200/#msg527200
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527240/#msg527240
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg527282/#msg527282

Thank you Francis from France  for your participation 73.

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« Reply #566 on: November 25, 2018, 01:18:27 PM »
Any DX er will tell you the signal is bounced off the ionosphere relating to its wavelength a bit like Luxembourg in the 60s pop culture but is that true?
It's true. It's the great discovery of the radioamateurs with the first US/France (F8BF) contact in shortwaves in 1924 while at this time it was thought that only long waves could reach long distance. Then shortwaves were used everywhere in the world.
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but how much POWER can you really capture from RF smog? When i was a school kid there was this old guy in phoneadeck's R&D he was an amateur radio enthusiast he had some homebrew radio with a triode and an output pentode 10 watts he could put a 100watt bulb in the output load an output the thing to over full brightness blackening the inside coating with a static charge on the outside. Explain that.
A radio transmitter is an alternating current generator.
Compared to the mains current of electricity suppliers, it is only the frequency that changes. The former works in frequencies from tens of KHz to hundreds of GHz, the later at 50 or 60 Hz.

So when you connect a lamp to a radio transmitter, the lamp is simply powered by a current at 7 MHz or 145 MHz for example, while when you connect it to the mains, the current is at 50 or 60 Hz.
The difference is in the possible couplings. At frequencies starting from MHz, the dimensions of coils, capacitive plates, lines... have significant dimensions compared to wavelengths, which makes their coupling, possibly by tuned circuits, easy and efficient at some distance around the wavelength, by recovering almost all the power supplied by the transmitter.
This is not the case at 50 or 60 Hz where there is hardly anything but the core transformer that couples efficiently, with primary and secondary very close to each other unlike RF couplings.

When the waves propagate along the surface of the earth or the sea (daytime propagation of waves in AM radio), they spread all around the antennas. Even if there were no loss in the ground, even if the antennas were very directional, the attenuation would be in 1/r².
When they are reflected on the ionized layers of the high atmosphere, only part is reflected (the rest is lost in space). They can also be reflected several times between the ground and the ionized layers as in a waveguide, attenuating with each reflection. In all cases they also spread out, which implies attenuation in 1/r² in addition to all other attenuations. This is the reason why the radio receiver receives only few µV to hundreds of µV that must be amplified. A good receiver amplifies the signal by up to 130 dB so that it can be used, it is enormous, which underlines the extreme weakness of radio signals after a long path.

About Luxembourg in the 60s pop culture, their transmiter had a power of 1300 KW (it's a mp3 jingle  :) ) in the 1970's, and the signal could be heard even in Canada during night propagation which allowed reflections on the ionised atmospheric layers.



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« Reply #567 on: November 26, 2018, 06:28:26 AM »
What let you think that there are waves? Funny idea.
   Maybe this video might change your views,  or not.   https://youtu.be/5AUA7XS0TvA
   
   There's a lot more than just waves out there. It's the "Cosmic Soup" which Tesla and others have mentioned, repeatedly.

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« Reply #568 on: November 26, 2018, 01:08:41 PM »
The result to us is simple.
Russians might push Tariel to give it for free to the world.
And not because the Russian government is so kind and nice, but because Russians will have no choice.
They rather let all world energy industry suffer instead of just Russians being punished by lack of sale of their gas and oil.

And that is why  word [/sub]"if" is important in science .

Wesley


yeh what if?  well if they do can they please do it before the EU which is probably a Vatican controlled gagging order to kill the internet with its evil article 11 the hyperlink and  13 other peoples CONTENT BOTH ARE USED IN OUR DAILY USE HERE!
and THUS plunges us back into the dark ages, and Russias idea of free energy is most probably a stick of radioactive material coated in a semiconductor material
with power cables running from it.  JOKE.  Yeah so bring it on! Mint the Burman cat gives a groaning agreement  ;D
But wait couldn't we find some way to use their evil laws against 'THEM'?


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« Reply #569 on: November 26, 2018, 04:11:26 PM »
Wesly very interesting post thanks foir that one!
Can I get your opinion on this one (i'm OK on translation. but is it BS or fact without actually building it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8q8CWTjpAY
I would appreciate any positive feedback on this post

NickZ in the PDF 'cold war secrets' it talks about sharp narrow pulse and a long recovery period a relay' if you look at Nelson's
old website on YouTube most of his stuff was started with a battery and a vibration sound he showed a modified relay coil
why not start there but I think you will need to experiment for the correct timing of the LC and on off ratio. Mind boggling!  8) 8)