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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #735 on: August 16, 2018, 03:07:11 AM »
Final guess, Ecuador    :)
Few crocs, perfect weather, almost 100% hydro power. Lots of monkeys, snakes tiny roads.
Garry
:)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #736 on: August 16, 2018, 04:02:47 AM »
Is this property suitable for experiments?
1. buried 6000 pound copper steel evaporative cooler 120 ft. from 2.
2. 36 ft. long 16" dia. pipe buried vertical 9 ft. in ground
3. 180 ft.   4 #2 conductors buried in conduit
4. 8 ft. copper coated ground rod
5. steel framed, concrete floor, steel sided and roofed shop building


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #737 on: August 16, 2018, 05:13:40 AM »
Is this property suitable for experiments?
1. buried 6000 pound copper steel evaporative cooler 120 ft. from 2.
2. 36 ft. long 16" dia. pipe buried vertical 9 ft. in ground
3. 180 ft.   4 #2 conductors buried in conduit
4. 8 ft. copper coated ground rod
5. steel framed, concrete floor, steel sided and roofed shop building


Garry
yes.
however  grounds must be a the distance between themselves. and ground wire must be insulated  from the ground.
So proper insulation is required.
Wires are connected only to ground rod or non - corroding ( copper) object like copper car radiator buried.
But even that can be inconvenient. first try regular  copper rods or screw like rods to find the biggest Voltage difference due to Telluric current flow.

In  some places you can see just 1V in some other places  35V and more.( depends from  rods placement)
I have chosen location  where presence of other electrical installations, other houses , is none  or  small. ( so  no chance for error)
Voltage is not important as you can always use Tesla coil to create HV/small current.
Current is not important as well ....
because Electrostatic difference makes electrons to be attracted  to positive potential.
For all other  guys..you may use Voltage difference that comes from improper grounding.   (That means one  is electrical ground and the other is your  heat water pipe connected to  cast iron radiator ) and so on...

There are few tests that could be done.:
1. HV from voltage difference on Tesla coil  + HV capacitor..... is interrupted and switched manually ( relay// switch)or by transistor  and delivered to second ground
-in the interval when this ground is switched to Tesla.
Than measurement is taken  of amount of energy flowing from that ground  rod to the second one.
Another  one is presented by me in video :

https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=223 ( use of voltage difference because of improper grounding)
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=474 (use of gap transformer for temporary energy storage)


Please understand that all above is mostly for testing  however last link is real
That's all I can say for now.

Wesley
« Last Edit: August 16, 2018, 05:14:11 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #738 on: August 16, 2018, 05:59:56 PM »

The two grounds structure is explained in my video  link above.
But the  last link is working concept.
It uses gap transformer such as flyback.
It is good to have means of  regulating gap size  of transformer core  e.g (by placing piece of paper in the gap,) or use LC Network , to tune it to resonance./ or closest to maximum amplitude.
https://youtu.be/qdJ1V_yDv-c?t=486
This concept was done by TK using grenade   coil so means of coupling to Tesla coil are different ( you are not restricted in your form of coupling.)
Before you decide to bury the wire  place ground rods,  in different locations , check the voltage between them .
Burying wires is not required at all.
Wires needs to be insulated from the ground .
Do not be disappointed if voltage difference is minimal.
I have used just regular cat 6 wire with shorted together all 8 wires. But this is not right way to do it.
The best is to use #0 or #1 copper wire.
However  I have got quite  striking results out there.
I was  also the only one who knew what  is going on :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09otx2Pfphw
This  video helps you a lot .
I have two of them.
That is why I did not need Tesla to test it.
Energizing by pulse one of ground rods, ( can by done by manual switching ) gives you at second rod voltage and now at rights condition you see amplification.
As strange as it sounds it is what I have seen.

https://youtu.be/70_xKJh91eE?t=206 here you have  bunch of unacceptable staff said,  but schematic is right.
You see the switch and one of wires must be ground  path.
Tesla coil is clear undeniable way of creating positive voltage difference between the ground and capacitor of Tesla coil.
I  suggest to pay  attention to recently published here  https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c2/73/cd/ed546d4872c866/US20150102676A1.pdf
PLEASE READ IT AND ANALYZE IT, and place your comments here if you want to .
As far as rights to a patent I see it as in this analogy:
1.ball is moving forward  100 m. from point A to point B and than from point B to point A .
2. ball is recorded by camera from the side
3.Video is played backwards and forwards.
summary :
- amount of factors  seen in video is exactly the same. backwards and forward.
- you can find no difference in looped video payed. you can not know what was first. reverse  or forward.
- that is why I do not see much difference in this patent from art of say Nicola Tesla.
I do  believe that  this patent will  be overturned, as it happened with Marconi after death of Tesla

Quote
In 1943, the Supreme Court of the United States handed down a decision on Marconi's radio patents restoring some of the prior patents
of Oliver Lodge, John Stone Stone, and Nikola Tesla.[55][56] The decision was not about Marconi's original radio patents[57] and the court declared
that their decision had no bearing on Marconi's claim as the first to achieve radio transmission, just that since Marconi's claim to certain patents were questionable,
he could not claim infringement on those same patents.[58]
There are claims the high court was trying to nullify a World War I claim against the United States government by the Marconi Company via simply
restoring the non-Marconi prior patent.[55]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi
The main point here is general opinion of crowd that wants everything for free, and is willing to put the pressure on any inventor to find weak points in patenting procedure.
That pressure will be also done by  plenty of other countries  , against American  hegemony  ( predominance of one state or social group over others).
We may  assume that  plenty of them will announce that they have had  similar technology   as secret and patented prior to filing date of patent above.
Some other countries will simply  use it  disobeying  international   regulation .
Then  independently from that  single entities and individuals  will use this technology without any exposure.  ( Honduras, Chile, Columbia, Ecuador ,  and so on)
But most likely the rights to patent belongs to Tariel Kapanadze  or  "Three Russian old Scientists" who vanished  after  interaction with TK  somehow strangely ( years before TK shows his first device).
That line is likely to be presented by Russian government   being excluded from any rights to use it.
In such  a corrupted country  every lie  can be proven  and any truth  can be turned to lie.
We are living in interesting time my friends .

Please remember that overunity  does not exists , never existed and will never exist.
However coupling to right energy ready for conversion  may give to the observer, the "effect of overunity"
Just because processes are not visible to the eye of observer.
It is like watching  magician  till you find his tricks. However  my experiment was real.
Do not disregard Barbarossa experience . http://rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm

for these who do not want to spend money on expensive equipment
https://www.circuitlab.com/circuit/3wq9k8fgr6q5/mosfet-driving-with-an-12v-sg/   :)   here you go. look at schematic
-You see generator that does not have to be 60Hz but can be  variable frequency.
-You see incandescent load 9 light bulb
-You see DC voltage that can comes from "improper ground" difference (- read description   above)  or DC from Two ground difference like in my ( last Trip) experiment . (21V telluric. to minimum 11.7V depends from  Ground Rods Placement. and all of that in area where is no houses and no electrical lines, not even electrical  cables for miles around. So chance for error is NONE.)
- if voltage is smaller say 5V  between grounds than make it 30V no big deal. ( your available current will be smaller but you'll get it)
- your almost ready to use switching  device  is here. You just need to have variable frequency of square  impulses.
https://www.instructables.com/id/High-Voltage-Multiplier/
 or down below picture:

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #739 on: August 17, 2018, 01:11:48 PM »

-You see DC voltage that can comes from "improper ground" difference (- read description   above)  or DC from Two ground difference like in my ( last Trip) experiment . (21V telluric. to minimum 11.7V depends from  Ground Rods Placement. and all of that in area where is no houses and no electrical lines, not even electrical  cables for miles around. So chance for error is NONE.)
- if voltage is smaller say 5V  between grounds than make it 30V no big deal. ( your available current will be smaller but you'll get it)
- your almost ready to use switching  device  is here. You just need to have variable frequency of square  impulses.
https://www.instructables.com/id/High-Voltage-Multiplier/
 or down below picture:

Wesley
Wesley,
Thanks for your ground rod experiment report. Did you ascertain how much current was available from the loaded voltage differential between ground rods? From your data, do you think Kapanadze would have been able to use the same system in his garden to extract sufficient power to drive the lamp / electric heater loads we see in his various videos?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #740 on: August 17, 2018, 01:44:08 PM »
Wesley may not like it, but I am just going to make a few points that have already been pointed
out, but still seem to be ignored by some people. :)

From what I have seen, Kapanadze has always used just one earth ground connection (at a time).
Kapanadze has stated his device can work with no earth ground connection by replacing the earth
ground connection with a 'special circuit'.

Akula has demonstrated one of his early devices could self sustain itself and power one or two light
bulbs at the same time, with no earth ground connection at all.

Indications are that the principle behind their devices is not dependent on a potential difference
between two separate earth ground points at a distance from each other.

I agree that Kapanadze did not at all likely 'invent' his devices, as he wasn't trained in science and electronics.
It is much more likely that he got this information from somewhere else. Possibly it came from old Soviet era military
research, and somehow Kapanadze got his hands on some of this info. Just a guess, but still a lot more likely than
the premise of Kapanadze coming up with his devices on his own. :) Kapanadze also claimed (in the green box video demo
I beleive) that he once 'invented' a car or motor that could run only on water. Where does an architect come
up with this stuff? ;)

Wesley, the two earth ground connections devices may hold some promise, but do not appear to
be directly related to what Kapanadze, Daly, Akula, and Ruslan have done. Until someone can actually
demonstrate something out of the ordinary with these two earth ground connection setups, it is just another idea.
However, Frank Prentice did use at least two separate earth ground connections in his 1923 patent, so there may be
some real potential there with that approach (no pun intended :) )
Just my opinion.

Does the yellow house not have any connection to the mains. It has no electrical power?

All the best...

P.S. Barbosa and Leal's 'captor loop' devices appear to have just drawn their power from the mains,
and had a tendency to fool power meters because the current was not returned back to the mains
via the neutral wire, but by an earth ground connection. Because of this their claims are very questionable, 
(to anyone with at least a basic understanding of electrical systems anyway), and Barbosa and Leal have
stated they stopped all work on those devices back around Oct 2013 due to 'technical problems' .
I strongly suspect the 'technical problems' they were referring to is they finally realized the power was coming from
the mains. :) The Barbosa and Leal 'captor loop' devices were not at all credible devices IMO.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #741 on: August 17, 2018, 02:34:45 PM »
In regards to one ground / two grounds/ virtual grounds/ controversy:
in order for circuit to function one condition must  be present
- THERE MUST BE CLOSED LOOP ALWAYS.

Wesley
Wesley,
That truth is not in question with me. Myself and Void are simply saying that there is no evidence in Kapanadze's videos that he is using two grounding points / rods, or has anything approaching a virtual ground that could account for the amount of power being delivered to load. So, how is Kapanadze able to operate using a single ground?? That question will no doubt be continually asked until a plausible answer emerges.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #742 on: August 17, 2018, 02:35:02 PM »
is it that difficult to understand guys?
for current to flow there must be closed  loop.
even one wire transmission using Avramienko fork  is A CLOSED LOOP.

Hi Wesley. It seems to be a common misconception that there must be a closed loop for current to flow.
When you look at AC circuits, things are not so clear cut at all.
Eddy currents in an iron core are one example of currents that can flow which do not return back to the
source in a closed loop.

At radio frequencies, an RF signal will very happily flow on a single wire without there being much return to the
source via capacitance between the wire and ground. In fact the RF signal generator could be run by batteries and
completely isolated from earth ground, and there will still be an rf current seen on a single wire connected to a single 
ended output of the generator. BTW, that in no way implies there must be free energy there however. The power is still coming
from the generator (under 'normal' circumstances anyway).

All the best...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #743 on: August 17, 2018, 02:51:44 PM »
I just answered  your concern but  you need  to see  d.ck of the horse   to believe in birth, by exploring  a vagina.
or
you need to see  not only the magician and his trick , but  two  grounds.

First you need to  answer the question:
Can current  flow in open circuit or not?
Than answer the  question :
Did  Tariel  , Barbarossa, Vasmus, SR 193, Akula .. use closed circuit or open circuit.
And why did the use ground?
why they did not use  piece of wire as return?


Wesley
Wesley,
You are replying in riddles and there is no need to be crude. Current can only flow when there is some form of return path to source. However, that is not helping me understand how Kapanadze's setup can operate, unless there is a hidden path to source.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #744 on: August 17, 2018, 02:55:17 PM »
I just answered  your concern but  you need  to see  d.ck of the horse   to believe in birth, by exploring  a vagina.

Crikey. Wesley, do you have a serious drinking problem or some other serious issues?   
People politely express their point of view and you sometimes seem to become very angry
and sometimes give very crude responses like this or even much worse. Behavior like this is not helping
you at all. Just my opinion for what it is worth to you. 

Void out...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #745 on: August 17, 2018, 02:56:53 PM »
The Question
So tell me what is  the other choice for current to flow in open circuit.?
And since you do not have an answer
than   two grounds / virtual grounds/ or any  other form of explanation  of how the circuit is closed
will  be valid  till proven  otherwise, some time in the far future  I assume.
;--------------------
Wesley
Ground to ground is one solution that might well  work as a closed loop some are not disputing (well i'm not)
and might well try it some time.

But is saying that there is also ground to ether (upper atmosphere static charge) our Lithuanian friends have
been exploiting by lowing the upper level with ones own artificial device.

Whats not clear is how to do it, most circuits that have appeared on here are AC attract / repel,I would have thought
by observation that DC would attract a better result !

Also Tesla talked about a killer EMF when switching a knife breaker 'ON' and 'OFF', Guys should think about the very aspect
find it and read it.
I don't want to appear secretive but guys need to learn the other side of what is deliberately ignored buy minions to
the dark side of controlled ignorance. We are the consciousness of the universe use it and learn, don't wast it.

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« Reply #746 on: August 17, 2018, 03:03:50 PM »
No guys there was no  anger . I  employed my wife  response amplification technique  she is psychologist.
and it worked.
Sorry for the test. but that  is what  psychologists  do when they need attention and response.

 :)
 I do thank you for such fast  response
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #747 on: August 17, 2018, 03:10:00 PM »
No guys there was no  anger . I  employed my wife  response amplification technique  she is psychologist.
and it worked.
Sorry for the test. but that  is what  psychologists  do when they need attention and response.

 :)
 I do thank you for such fast  response
Wesley
Well, maybe if we all used that technique in correspondence, we would warrant an even bigger asylum.  ::)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #748 on: August 17, 2018, 03:13:31 PM »
Hi Wesley. It seems to be a common misconception that there must be a closed loop for current to flow.
When you look at AC circuits, things are not so clear cut at all.
Eddy currents in an iron core are one example of currents that can flow which do not return back to the
source in a closed loop.
At radio frequencies, an RF signal will very happily flow on a single wire without there being much return to the
source via capacitance between the wire and ground. In fact the RF signal generator could be run by batteries and
completely isolated from earth ground, and there will still be an rf current seen on a single wire connected to a single 
ended output of the generator. BTW, that in no way implies there must be free energy there however. The power is still coming
from the generator (under 'normal' circumstances anyway)

All the best...
.

Eddy Current only flows in close loop
Magnetic circuit is a closed path in which magnetic flux flows;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current

RF  signal ( electromagnetic  wave)  is carried by  photon and  has no current./ no mass./ it contains energy.  "RF" -( photon)  has momentum and, RF is  omnidirectional.
However RF has  pattern   based on Tx antenna characteristic. RF is seen as  "more than one photon" and it  is continuous in given time frame.
Photon  loses its energy when colliding with matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
The reminding energy of  RF  is detected and amplified by closed loop circuit  including  detector and resonance circuit mostly grounded (visibly)

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #749 on: August 17, 2018, 03:39:01 PM »
.

Eddy Current only flows in close loop
Magnetic circuit is a closed path in which magnetic flux flows;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux

RF  signal ( electromagnetic  wave)  is carried by  photon and  has no current./ no mass./ it contains energy.  "RF" -( photon)  has momentum and  is  omnidirectional. However it has  pattern   based on Tx antenna characteristic.
Photon  loses its energy when colliding with matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
The reminding energy of  RF  is detected and amplified by closed loop circuit  including  detector and resonance circuit mostly grounded (visibly)

Wesley

Eddy currents do not have a *closed current path back to the source*, was my point there. :)
I am not talking about EM waves, I am talking about RF current on a single wire.

RF current will flow on a single wire that is an open circuit on the far end of the wire,
even though the capacitance from the wire to the generator ground can be very tiny.
Significant RF current can be induced on the single wire with little to no current return back to the generator's ground,
i.e., no significant closed current loop back to the generator 'ground'.  This still draws power from the generator however.

P.S. I realize that Eddy currents are considered to be losses because they couple back to the
generator as a degree of 'load' via the magnetic field. Likewise, RF current generated on a single wire
does 'normally' draw its power from the generator, but the capacitance between the generator and the wire
can be very small, so how it couples back to the generator and causes power consumption may be more through
reflected current. The reflected current is then dissipated in the power output stage of the generator. I am not
entirely sure that is the complete picture, but that may well be what essentially is happening there. AC circuits have
a lot more parameters to consider than basic closed loop DC circuits, is my point. It can sometimes not be so straight forward
at all to fully analyze AC circuits. :) My general point is that when people think about 'closed looped circuits', they
should not confuse DC circuits and AC circuits. Too often here people seem to confuse the two.


 

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