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AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #360 on: August 15, 2018, 06:07:58 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91eE
https://overunity.com/17328/overunity-device-by-tanju-argun-moderated/

Wesley dear chap, your absence is deafening.  ;) What's the latest on the Ruslan / Sergej saga?
Err Hoppy that circuit as it is wont work stuff is missing, enough stuff has been on here
to tell you you can't attract static with AC you would do better with an old TV eht coil or a perspex box full
of expanded polystyrene and a fan blowing it around, but don't dispose of it down the toilet you will never get rid of it !
 :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91eE

iflewmyown

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #361 on: August 15, 2018, 09:53:13 PM »
   There has been some discussion in this thread about using the electricity stored between the ionosphere and the ground. We are standing on one plate of a large capacitor, with our heads in the dielectric looking up at the other cap. plate.
I would like to tell a story which may relate to this. A couple years ago I built a Van de Graff generator in my shop. It stood about 5 ft. tall with an 18 in. ss ball on the top with teflon top roller. It was not a great performer giving 6 in. sparks to the knuckle or the 6 in. dia. ground ball. The shop it was in was I think important. The shop had concrete floor with 6 x 6 wire mesh embedded for reinforcement. The frame was mild steel down into the ground The outside walls were corrugated painted steel siding as was the roof. Inside was first a layer of 4 in. foam insulation over which were the internal walls of corrugated steel and ceiling of the same. The original purpose was to have the shop well insulated, airtight and the inside was bright white paint on the steel. My friend came over and was observing through the doorway and we decided to experiment with the machine to make longer sparks. The first thing we noticed was it would light most of the fluorescent bulbs on the ceiling when the power to them was shut off. Then when the ground ball on it’s cable was moved close it would jump away from the top ball when the spark happened with a small amount of force. I could feel myself being charged any time I was in the room with it running but usually would discharge myself on the top ball. Then I decided to see how far the spark could be made to jump if I stayed away and let the charge build. I switched it on and stood upright with my right arm and first knuckle extended about four feet from the top ball. My friend was in the doorway opposite of me with the machine between us. I could feel the charge build as usual so I just stood their waiting. All of a sudden a spark jumped from my hand to the top ball about four feet away. It felt like I had been kicked by a mule in the center of my chest and my arm was pushed back into my shoulder joint with a painful jolt. I caught my breath and used the foot switch to stop the generator. My chest and arm hurt for three days, the first day like a crush injury. My friend who had been around electrical experiments for years asked me how my ears were. The rest of me hurt so bad I hadn’t noticed my ears ringing. He said the spark sounded like I had fired a shot gun in the shop. I never heard it cause I hurt so bad.
Anyway, you can gather energy when you are standing inside of a capacitor, but be careful.
 
 
Wesley, if you think any of my posts here are off topic let me know or just delete them.

 
Garry

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #362 on: August 15, 2018, 11:19:36 PM »
Hoppy..

Quote https://overunity.com/17328/overunity-device-by-tanju-argun-moderated/
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Aliengrey
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91e  EErr Hoppy that circuit as it is wont work stuff is missing
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Just a note..I did speak with Luc about this fellow..he reminded me he worked hand in hand with him...and there was measurement error...
AG..perhaps you could tell what Bits were missing ??
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AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #363 on: August 16, 2018, 01:37:35 AM »
Hoppy..

Quote https://overunity.com/17328/overunity-device-by-tanju-argun-moderated/
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Aliengrey
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70_xKJh91e  EErr Hoppy that circuit as it is wont work stuff is missing
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Just a note..I did speak with Luc about this fellow..he reminded me he worked hand in hand with him...and there was measurement error...
AG..perhaps you could tell what Bits were missing ??
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Oops not that one the other one Hoppy was talking about the one we are waiting for the third video form Wesley !

I spider wired the HexFET to a Tesla coil the gate goes no where so whats the point of the HexFET driver or the divider
circuit ? more questions than answers on that device.

This video could hold some valuable information if the iron wire part works.
quote https://overunity.com/17328/overunity-device-by-tanju-argun-moderated/]https://overunity.com/17328/overunity-device-by-tanju-argun-moderated/[/url]
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iflewmyown

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #364 on: August 16, 2018, 04:02:47 AM »
Is this property suitable for experiments?
1. buried 6000 pound copper steel evaporative cooler 120 ft. from 2.
2. 36 ft. long 16" dia. pipe buried vertical 9 ft. in ground
3. 180 ft.   4 #2 conductors buried in conduit
4. 8 ft. copper coated ground rod
5. steel framed, concrete floor, steel sided and roofed shop building


Garry

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #365 on: August 17, 2018, 01:44:08 PM »
Wesley may not like it, but I am just going to make a few points that have already been pointed
out, but still seem to be ignored by some people. :)

From what I have seen, Kapanadze has always used just one earth ground connection (at a time).
Kapanadze has stated his device can work with no earth ground connection by replacing the earth
ground connection with a 'special circuit'.

Akula has demonstrated one of his early devices could self sustain itself and power one or two light
bulbs at the same time, with no earth ground connection at all.

Indications are that the principle behind their devices is not dependent on a potential difference
between two separate earth ground points at a distance from each other.

I agree that Kapanadze did not at all likely 'invent' his devices, as he wasn't trained in science and electronics.
It is much more likely that he got this information from somewhere else. Possibly it came from old Soviet era military
research, and somehow Kapanadze got his hands on some of this info. Just a guess, but still a lot more likely than
the premise of Kapanadze coming up with his devices on his own. :) Kapanadze also claimed (in the green box video demo
I beleive) that he once 'invented' a car or motor that could run only on water. Where does an architect come
up with this stuff? ;)

Wesley, the two earth ground connections devices may hold some promise, but do not appear to
be directly related to what Kapanadze, Daly, Akula, and Ruslan have done. Until someone can actually
demonstrate something out of the ordinary with these two earth ground connection setups, it is just another idea.
However, Frank Prentice did use at least two separate earth ground connections in his 1923 patent, so there may be
some real potential there with that approach (no pun intended :) )
Just my opinion.

Does the yellow house not have any connection to the mains. It has no electrical power?

All the best...

P.S. Barbosa and Leal's 'captor loop' devices appear to have just drawn their power from the mains,
and had a tendency to fool power meters because the current was not returned back to the mains
via the neutral wire, but by an earth ground connection. Because of this their claims are very questionable, 
(to anyone with at least a basic understanding of electrical systems anyway), and Barbosa and Leal have
stated they stopped all work on those devices back around Oct 2013 due to 'technical problems' .
I strongly suspect the 'technical problems' they were referring to is they finally realized the power was coming from
the mains. :) The Barbosa and Leal 'captor loop' devices were not at all credible devices IMO.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #366 on: August 17, 2018, 02:35:02 PM »
is it that difficult to understand guys?
for current to flow there must be closed  loop.
even one wire transmission using Avramienko fork  is A CLOSED LOOP.

Hi Wesley. It seems to be a common misconception that there must be a closed loop for current to flow.
When you look at AC circuits, things are not so clear cut at all.
Eddy currents in an iron core are one example of currents that can flow which do not return back to the
source in a closed loop.

At radio frequencies, an RF signal will very happily flow on a single wire without there being much return to the
source via capacitance between the wire and ground. In fact the RF signal generator could be run by batteries and
completely isolated from earth ground, and there will still be an rf current seen on a single wire connected to a single 
ended output of the generator. BTW, that in no way implies there must be free energy there however. The power is still coming
from the generator (under 'normal' circumstances anyway).

All the best...

AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #367 on: August 17, 2018, 02:56:53 PM »
The Question
So tell me what is  the other choice for current to flow in open circuit.?
And since you do not have an answer
than   two grounds / virtual grounds/ or any  other form of explanation  of how the circuit is closed
will  be valid  till proven  otherwise, some time in the far future  I assume.
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Wesley
Ground to ground is one solution that might well  work as a closed loop some are not disputing (well i'm not)
and might well try it some time.

But is saying that there is also ground to ether (upper atmosphere static charge) our Lithuanian friends have
been exploiting by lowing the upper level with ones own artificial device.

Whats not clear is how to do it, most circuits that have appeared on here are AC attract / repel,I would have thought
by observation that DC would attract a better result !

Also Tesla talked about a killer EMF when switching a knife breaker 'ON' and 'OFF', Guys should think about the very aspect
find it and read it.
I don't want to appear secretive but guys need to learn the other side of what is deliberately ignored buy minions to
the dark side of controlled ignorance. We are the consciousness of the universe use it and learn, don't wast it.

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #368 on: August 17, 2018, 03:13:31 PM »
Hi Wesley. It seems to be a common misconception that there must be a closed loop for current to flow.
When you look at AC circuits, things are not so clear cut at all.
Eddy currents in an iron core are one example of currents that can flow which do not return back to the
source in a closed loop.
At radio frequencies, an RF signal will very happily flow on a single wire without there being much return to the
source via capacitance between the wire and ground. In fact the RF signal generator could be run by batteries and
completely isolated from earth ground, and there will still be an rf current seen on a single wire connected to a single 
ended output of the generator. BTW, that in no way implies there must be free energy there however. The power is still coming
from the generator (under 'normal' circumstances anyway)

All the best...
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Eddy Current only flows in close loop
Magnetic circuit is a closed path in which magnetic flux flows;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current

RF  signal ( electromagnetic  wave)  is carried by  photon and  has no current./ no mass./ it contains energy.  "RF" -( photon)  has momentum and, RF is  omnidirectional.
However RF has  pattern   based on Tx antenna characteristic. RF is seen as  "more than one photon" and it  is continuous in given time frame.
Photon  loses its energy when colliding with matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
The reminding energy of  RF  is detected and amplified by closed loop circuit  including  detector and resonance circuit mostly grounded (visibly)

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #369 on: August 17, 2018, 03:39:01 PM »
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Eddy Current only flows in close loop
Magnetic circuit is a closed path in which magnetic flux flows;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux

RF  signal ( electromagnetic  wave)  is carried by  photon and  has no current./ no mass./ it contains energy.  "RF" -( photon)  has momentum and  is  omnidirectional. However it has  pattern   based on Tx antenna characteristic.
Photon  loses its energy when colliding with matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
The reminding energy of  RF  is detected and amplified by closed loop circuit  including  detector and resonance circuit mostly grounded (visibly)

Wesley

Eddy currents do not have a *closed current path back to the source*, was my point there. :)
I am not talking about EM waves, I am talking about RF current on a single wire.

RF current will flow on a single wire that is an open circuit on the far end of the wire,
even though the capacitance from the wire to the generator ground can be very tiny.
Significant RF current can be induced on the single wire with little to no current return back to the generator's ground,
i.e., no significant closed current loop back to the generator 'ground'.  This still draws power from the generator however.

P.S. I realize that Eddy currents are considered to be losses because they couple back to the
generator as a degree of 'load' via the magnetic field. Likewise, RF current generated on a single wire
does 'normally' draw its power from the generator, but the capacitance between the generator and the wire
can be very small, so how it couples back to the generator and causes power consumption may be more through
reflected current. The reflected current is then dissipated in the power output stage of the generator. I am not
entirely sure that is the complete picture, but that may well be what essentially is happening there. AC circuits have
a lot more parameters to consider than basic closed loop DC circuits, is my point. It can sometimes not be so straight forward
at all to fully analyze AC circuits. :) My general point is that when people think about 'closed looped circuits', they
should not confuse DC circuits and AC circuits. Too often here people seem to confuse the two.


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« Reply #370 on: August 17, 2018, 04:35:50 PM »
also a question on your mentioned remote location..
Do they use the Single wire Grid system there ,which is typical to some remote areas?.

Good question. I also asked Wesley whether the yellow house is connected to the power grid, or
whether it has no utility power at all, but so far Weslely did not answer.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #371 on: August 17, 2018, 05:36:06 PM »
Wesley is an "Earth" scientist ,and I do not take his claims in his field with a grain of salt..
I am personally quite excited about his experiments here and there association with a "possible" TK MO


Sure whatever works for you. :)
As I have already said, I have no problems at all with anyone doing any experimentation they want, so
I don't understand some of your comments.

Just FYI, someone having a background in physics or other sciences in no way at all necessarily means they
have good practical skills and knowledge with electrical and electronics circuits and measurements.
That is a whole different ball game. Make of that what you will. ;)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #372 on: August 17, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »
Tariel included somethig tips in some video's. Search what he said what happen when you disconnect load from his devied

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #373 on: August 17, 2018, 05:56:24 PM »
For Mr AlienGrey ....   ;)

https://youtu.be/JcPu4Ie47vA

I just watched the video again, I'd like to say that the voltmeter reading was incorrect. It was after finishing the video that I discovered my DMM had effectively died.

For Wesley....

https://youtu.be/MXPtdzhSdfw

This " curiosity " was interpreted as a capacitive form of resonance....

Cheers Graham.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #374 on: August 17, 2018, 06:20:52 PM »
https://youtu.be/MXPtdzhSdfw
This " curiosity " was interpreted as a capacitive form of resonance....
Cheers Graham.

Hi Grumage. Very very nice!
An actual reasonably clear demonstration. I bow to you.  ;D

Yes, there could be different factors which cause that sort of effect.
Standing waves (cancellations and additions along the wire) on one or both of the wires going to the two grounds can
increase or decrease measured peak voltage. This is very dependent on the frequency being used and length of the wires and
the specific point on the wires where you are measuring, as with AC you will get standing waves on the wires. An increase in voltage
peaks in no way implies an increase in available power beyond what is being injected into the 'input' wire of course,
but it doesn't rule it out either.

Driving the input to one ground wire with a pulse waveform instead may give even more interesting results on the second 'return' ground wire. ;)
Nice job!