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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #735 on: August 12, 2018, 10:22:14 AM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #736 on: August 12, 2018, 10:24:28 AM »
@ Onepower,

You appear not to appreciate that the schematic under discussion between me and Apecore was the Romancorp one that does not feature a TC or a conventional power supply. Please re-read our posts and tame your language.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #737 on: August 12, 2018, 10:30:14 AM »
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Very good man. I agree 100%. The only reason why this technology is not as popular as heat pumps is GREED of those who earn so much money from fossil fuels. Unfortunately the competition of solar panels, heat pumps, wind generators and so on would make it even worse. If we do not start this technology and merge into existing renewable market it will never help humanity to save this planet. Only such technology which is available 24/7 and cheap enough for poor people along with eliminating fossil fuels and capturing CO2 from atmosphere can save this world. :-(   They had the opportunity in 2012 to change global situation but they do not care
 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #738 on: August 12, 2018, 03:03:21 PM »
onepower


Very good man. I agree 100%. The only reason why this technology is not as popular as heat pumps is GREED of those who earn so much money from fossil fuels. Unfortunately the competition of solar panels, heat pumps, wind generators and so on would make it even worse. If we do not start this technology and merge into existing renewable market it will never help humanity to save this planet. Only such technology which is available 24/7 and cheap enough for poor people along with eliminating fossil fuels and capturing CO2 from atmosphere can save this world. :-(   They had the opportunity in 2012 to change global situation but they do not care
http://www.shamanicengineering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gerry-Vassilatos-Secrets-of-Cold-War-Technology.pdf

If your interested in experimenting your self Try reading from page 25 'Shock Waves' for at least the next 10 pages or so and ignoring
any negative input from any one on the tread.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #739 on: August 12, 2018, 03:23:02 PM »
AG     ...after all these years ...
..........Homework assignments now?
how about translated versions for those who are not fluent ?
or Books on Tape for those of us who have sight issues
or maybe just an experiment which shows an anomaly would.................... be nice....
Homework now ??
maybe some suggestions ??

"turn to Page" XX?  for tomorrows test ??
on another note RE: FE
enuff with all this fancy wireless universe stuff .... they should bring a power cord to plug us into the sun [

 https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe
editnow i see page suggestions above .....
« Last Edit: August 12, 2018, 05:34:16 PM by ramset »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #740 on: August 12, 2018, 05:33:10 PM »
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how about translated versions for those who are not fluent ?
or Books on Tape for those of us who have sight issues
or maybe just an experiment which shows an anomaly would.................... be nice....

In a nutshell... you build a Tesla coil array or antenna array tied to a very large Tesla coil which is tied to ground then send a massive HV spike down the line. We now have a conductor emitting free electrons which find themselves in the middle of a high potential negatively charged field which forces the electrons to accelerate. Next we send a spike then listen... we listen for the reflected signal or echo returning to the source from the atmosphere and tune to this delay frequency.

Wilhelm Reich used long tubes (tuned Helmholtz resonator tubes) with thick cables running to a water source (a large negatively charged free electron source) to pump the atmosphere in a similar manner.

Why, to what end?... the very high voltage induced in the atmosphere charges the water vapor present with a similar or like charge and as you know like charges repel. If all the water particles repel one another the volume expands and when it does the ambient pressure drops creating a cooling effect. We now have warmer denser ambient air often laden with moisture moving towards the volume of cooler less dense air we just created producing condensation or... rain.

Tesla used very high voltage/high frequency currents to expel or evacuate the air from his vacuum tubes using the same process. Victor Schauberger also used this process to create his biological vacuum inside his devices and apparently everyone has it fucking backwards as is generally the case. Victors devices were vacuum engines extracting the energy from dense warm ambient air rushing into a volume of cool less dense air inside his device... a biological vacuum just like we find in nature.

Imagine that... the big fucking secret nobody can seem to understand is that stuff induced with a like surface charge repels each other causing an expansion/cooling effect and the premise can be found in any high school textbook. Strange isn't it?, there are billions of people who claim to be intelligent and responsible adults on this planet and yet the vast majority are completely ignorant concerning even the basics as to how nature actually works.

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or maybe just an experiment which shows an anomaly would.................... be nice....

Here's an anomaly, ask anyone how something as simple as a tree can lift hundreds of gallons of water hundreds of feet upwards against the force of gravity in a single day and when they have no fucking clue... that's an anomaly.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #741 on: August 12, 2018, 05:35:57 PM »
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The patent shows a single ground connection to the bottom of the secondary which is induced by the primary. This is common practice in Tesla coils and known to increase the output power at the top load by anyone who has ever built a Tesla coil. Should we accuse them of stealing power from the grid?... well no that would be absurd.

In fact it does raise the potential for reasons even a child could understand. When a secondary coil is "not tied to ground" the number of free electrons which could move in the closed circuit is limited by the number of free electrons present in the circuit itself. However when a secondary coil "is tied to ground" it has a near unlimited number of free electrons which could move in the circuit because now it is tied to the planet Earth. It is a slight difference and very easy to overlook... in the first case the circuit is closed upon itself and in the second case it is attached to a fucking planet with a surface area of approximately 510 million square kilometers and a potential gradient rising by 100 volts per meter vertically.

It is strange is it not?, we are literally swimming in an incomprehensibly massive sea of energy, a universe seething with energy and the only thing on some peoples minds is their oblique obsession with burning fossil fuels to whirl some magnets past coils of wire and transmitting this energy along more wires.

No offense but your hypothesis that all these inventors are somehow stealing power from a man made grid of wires is so fucking absurd and offensive I don't even know where to begin. An infinite universe with no apparent end seething with energy on every level and the best you can possibly imagine with all neurons firing is that they must have been stealing power from a man made grid of wires?... you have zero credibility in my opinion.

I think if you look at Henry T Moray's first device it looks a lot like a crystal radio with two resonant coil circuits. He said in a interview that he noticed that there was no current coming from the ground, but current going into the ground through the load. So his starting circuit is a crystal radio setup to get some initial volts and then pumping that voltage up and into caps.

I do believe we live in a sea of energy. I think we just need to see the things that people take for granted and that are normally not considered important. Like if you have this Moray system and you pump the voltage up to what ever you want with joule thieves, voltage doublers or tesla coils and in thew circuit as the tesla secondary you have a ground&cap that is in resonance with L2. In my opinion that system in resonance has no resistance anymore and the cap charges instantly. Then you got charge inside a cap and making that flow is amps. Then discharge that cap through a spark to a new primary and step down to 12V and the rectify to DC.

There is no I or current in the capacitor charge equation, so in resonance there should be no impedance and the cap charges instantly or with miniscule current. so two "secrets" used in the device. Resonance and the "zero" impedance on the tank at resonance. If you load push&pulls at 50Hz per second and your cap charging circuit is doing 220kHz a second you got a lot of charge in the the cap bank to pull into amps.

Maybe I am wrong, but the energy is there and the answer is something simple like that. I hope I got some bench time at some point and I will test my theories out. I also post the results if I fail totally, so nobody has to waste that time all over again.

PS. If I charge a coil that is over an iron rod. Then I cut the power there will be a back-EMF spike. Can I divert that spike with diodes to a new coil that is over the same core in a way, that it aides the flux in the core? So get the flux from the initial charging of the first coil and then get a bonus flux from the BEMF spike? The BEMF coil would go around the core and into the ground. Does the negative spike even go to ground?

I am not an electrician so this negative spike has me confused. Should I think of it like pressure? First I apply positive pressure (voltage) to charge the coil and when I stop, the coil wants to keep the current going by using negative pressure like "sucking"? What we see is the voltage going negative (sucking effect) and the current still going in the same direction as before for a short time. So no matter if I use positive voltage or the BEMF it will still wants to ground, because it doesn't matter if positive pressure is pushing it to ground or if the coil is "sucking" the current through with negative voltage?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #742 on: August 12, 2018, 09:08:27 PM »
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There is no I or current in the capacitor charge equation, so in resonance there should be no impedance and the cap charges instantly or with miniscule current. so two "secrets" used in the device. Resonance and the "zero" impedance on the tank at resonance. If you load push&pulls at 50Hz per second and your cap charging circuit is doing 220kHz a second you got a lot of charge in the the cap bank to pull into amps.

We should understand that the stuff that moves along a conductor is free electrons. The free electrons move about randomly until they feel an electro-motive-force which compels them to move along the conductor which we call an electric current. So to say a capacitor was charged with no current involved is to imply the capacitor was charged with electrons which never moved to charge the capacitor. Whenever an electron moves in any way this motion is considered an electric current, a current is motion.

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I am not an electrician so this negative spike has me confused. Should I think of it like pressure? First I apply positive pressure (voltage) to charge the coil and when I stop, the coil wants to keep the current going by using negative pressure like "sucking"? What we see is the voltage going negative (sucking effect) and the current still going in the same direction as before for a short time. So no matter if I use positive voltage or the BEMF it will still wants to ground, because it doesn't matter if positive pressure is pushing it to ground or if the coil is "sucking" the current through with negative voltage?

I would suggest you read this until something makes sense...http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html
Hell read the whole damn website because until we have mastered the basics of what electricity is and how it works were basically wasting our time. Unfortunately the FE forums are full of misleading and confusing information peddled by many people who have no fucking idea what there talking about.

If you want to move forward master the basics... what is actually happening in reality?... why is it happening?... how do I change what normally happens and make it do something different?. Do you know why I visit the forums?, 99% of it is complete and utter BS however every now and then I read something which makes me think. It makes me question my own perception of how I think things work in reality. You know they say a man who changes his mind is somehow fickle or undecided yet I change my mind one hundred times a day. How can one presume to make progress if they have learned nothing new which has changed their mind?... Learning is change and change is progress. How can we say something has changed but nothing has changed not unlike thinking a capacitor can charge without electrons moving as an electron current to charge it?.

Rule #1... if we have not learned something new which has changed our mind, our perception of things as we thought we knew it then nothing has changed. It doesn't get more fucking obvious than that does it?.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #743 on: August 12, 2018, 10:26:25 PM »
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We should understand that the stuff that moves along a conductor is free electrons. The free electrons move about randomly until they feel an electro-motive-force which compels them to move along the conductor which we call an electric current. So to say a capacitor was charged with no current involved is to imply the capacitor was charged with electrons which never moved to charge the capacitor. Whenever an electron moves in any way this motion is considered an electric current, a current is motion.

Thx for the site. I will read it.

Is it free electrons? Are there electrons? Do they move or are they in one spot as mass and their spin or other properties change, so that we interpret that as current or moving electrons? Is the energy actually outside the wire?

So are you actually telling it like it is, or are you telling me something that "was agreed on", which is a different thing?

Energy stored in a cap is CV^2/2. This tells me that current is no factor in that equation. So if the cap needs current to charge it means it has internal resistance. If current is needed it would be a factor in the equation. So obviously we don't have ideal capacitors, but what if you neutralize that resistance by using a resonant LC tank? How much charge can you get with just a HV source into that cap when in resonance? That charge will equal amps when you pull it out on the load side. If you get more charge into that cap than the load pulls then you can self loop.

I have seen lecturers take part capacitors. Grounding and connecting the plates together and rebuilding the cap. Once again the cap sparks when the plates are connected. So the charge was in the dielectric and not in the plates. So the "free electrons" were moved by current from +-plates to the glass dielectric?

From amasci site:

"What is electricity? This question is impossible to answer because the word "Electricity" has several contradictory meanings. These different meanings are incompatible, and the contradictions confuse everyone. If you don't understand electricity, you're not alone. Even teachers, engineers, and scientists have a hard time grasping the concept.

Obviously "electricity" cannot be several different things at the same time. Unfortunately we've defined the word Electricity in a crazy way. Because the word lacks one distinct meaning, we can never pin down the nature of electricity. In the end we're forced to declare that there's no such stuff as "electricity" at all! Here's a quick example to illustrate the problem."

So the problem with electricity seems to be that nobody understands it?

That is why I read the forums and read mostly the stuff that the crazy people write. Because we have been asking the wrong questions for about a hundred years now. Any breakthrough will come from the fringe areas if there is anything there to find. That unfortunately means that you go through a lot of bullshit, but every now and then you find a guy that has new ideas. Then you try to replicate and reproduce the effects.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #744 on: August 13, 2018, 02:08:18 AM »
F.Y.I.

O.T. ?  Fun - Food for Thought - or a little of both  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXeXcbvBPJw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9b0J29OzAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1MDOerruD
[Ver 2. outside of coil - battery/magnets => rotate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL0TRmprhEM

Theory of operation - analysis!

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« Reply #745 on: August 13, 2018, 06:33:12 AM »
At least those work when you build them.  ;D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #746 on: August 13, 2018, 03:45:48 PM »
Hi Belfior. To say it as nicely as it can be said, the problem is you have no idea what you are talking about. :)
I would suggest doing actual experiments first so you can learn how things actually work in reality, then if
you eventually find something interesting in actual bench tests, you can then post about it here if you like. :)

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« Reply #747 on: August 14, 2018, 05:06:05 AM »
Patented,  ?   9564268
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« Reply #748 on: August 14, 2018, 05:17:59 AM »
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« Reply #749 on: August 14, 2018, 06:56:50 AM »
F.Y.I.

Reference: Simple Electric Train (see above).

Consider: Mechanical model of a (terminated) Travelling Wave Tube(TWT)?

Sort-of a Pulse of Energy (charged pulse or voltage pulse) moving
down the wound coil track. Battery/magnet combination forms the
charged pulse analogy; activated section of the wound coil forms a
field differential; thus the magnet-field interaction forms mechanical
motion. An interesting electric motor or toy electric train of sorts!

What would happen if the wire coil was insulated; the magnets were
stand alone; and the wound wire coil was rapidly pulsed electrically?

OK; Now, could this very narrow energy differential (the charged pulse)
be placed onto the wound coil; and be isolated from the coil - externally
induced [e.g. a high differential potential] - as well as still being able to
propagate along the coil (the track)?

Isolated meaning no direct current path through the coil [a stable, near
lossless, resonant, pulse energy source]. Volta's Electrophorus, Tesla
Transformer with antenna coil, Neon sign transformer, etc.?

Could this energy-differential-pulse {the battery induced magnetic field
in the Simple Electric Train or a Travelling Wave in a Coax Cable} induce
a Magnetic Field in the wound coil [track] and/or a pickup coil?

Consider Velocity-of-Propagation (a TDR, TWT, etc.); relaxation times;
displacement currents; coils as slow-wave waveguides; etc..

Now; replace the magnets with a pickup coil; un-terminate the coil
[multiple travelling waves per pulse - wave resonance]; then set the
timing to rapidly repeat the cycles. From the pickup coil output,
clip/invert/filter/ or down convert (as required) and use the energy.

Recall the orientation of the magnets in the train build (hint).

Energy gain is from di/dt - dv/dt; considering environmental potential
energy differences, propogation time and the natural tendenancy to
re-seek an equal resting or balance point (equilibrium). Disturbing the
environment (the Aether if you prefer), with a steep/sharp rise and fall
of energy potential difference will create some interesting affects.

Control this process, with precision, and it can have some valuable effects.
Caution - these schemes are NO longer a kids toys. But the analysis
is the same!

Also, related is an observation, that in general, analogue systems appear
very inefficient versus digital pulsed systems - e.g. conventional AC power
distribution compared to Single Wire distribution.

Anyway, just thinking (theorizing) out loud! Simply searching for some
simplified examples, analogies and a viable approach to describe the more
complex CAE, mathematical, and experimental results.

FIN

 

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