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Author Topic: Kapanadze and other FE discussion  (Read 1146981 times)

Acca

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #345 on: August 08, 2018, 11:32:40 AM »
Here is the reply to the Wesley's video by Ruslan 17 hours ago:

"Ruslan K

17 hours ago
Hello ! Now I'll write your comment. I did not cut any wires there. The man saw clearly how everything works. This essay about the wire - FEDERATION! Cut the wire from the relay that was on the coil. Any specialist understands that the system itself is 220 volts. Cut the wire from the coil, start the phase, then we have zero? And here is the result. The system starts because there is a phase. This is logical! Now I explain why he did it .... Panov decided to portray himself as a hero and lied to the whole world. he offered me 10,000 euros for this device. And I suggested a more interesting option, and not this junk. But Panov strongly demanded to sell to him this is not a stable and demo option. Now let's think, why should he? Everything simply and brilliantly surfaced. He buys it, says he does not work ... I go to him, he looks through what I'm doing and tells everyone the secret of the system, thinking it's all so simple. Yes ! Wesley, it's just everything, but for someone who understands what he does. Obviously not for the prat of Panov.
I clearly said that "carry and leave me" then take away. But he wanted to see to reveal all the secrets later. It's not about the money, but about the fact that I ditched 5 years of life for this study in this field. And I want like all normal people to make money on it. As well as you all !!! But Panov is a hero ... He told many why he started this fuss ... To distribute all my works without payment. They say that YOU are not all tormented .... Ay yayayay what Sergei well done, clever simple! But not here it was .... Adequate person immediately understand who is Panov and who is all ... who went after this bastard. Immediately surfaced a huge amount of tin and anger. Look what will happen if all these evil people give this ?! It will be a global catastrophe. We will destroy ourselves in a short time. This system really works and gives an unlimited amount of energy. But it can only be given to specialists."

Acca...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #346 on: August 12, 2018, 03:03:21 PM »
onepower


Very good man. I agree 100%. The only reason why this technology is not as popular as heat pumps is GREED of those who earn so much money from fossil fuels. Unfortunately the competition of solar panels, heat pumps, wind generators and so on would make it even worse. If we do not start this technology and merge into existing renewable market it will never help humanity to save this planet. Only such technology which is available 24/7 and cheap enough for poor people along with eliminating fossil fuels and capturing CO2 from atmosphere can save this world. :-(   They had the opportunity in 2012 to change global situation but they do not care
http://www.shamanicengineering.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Gerry-Vassilatos-Secrets-of-Cold-War-Technology.pdf

If your interested in experimenting your self Try reading from page 25 'Shock Waves' for at least the next 10 pages or so and ignoring
any negative input from any one on the tread.

ramset

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #347 on: August 12, 2018, 03:23:02 PM »
AG     ...after all these years ...
..........Homework assignments now?
how about translated versions for those who are not fluent ?
or Books on Tape for those of us who have sight issues
or maybe just an experiment which shows an anomaly would.................... be nice....
Homework now ??
maybe some suggestions ??

"turn to Page" XX?  for tomorrows test ??
on another note RE: FE
enuff with all this fancy wireless universe stuff .... they should bring a power cord to plug us into the sun [

 https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/parker-solar-probe
editnow i see page suggestions above .....
« Last Edit: August 12, 2018, 05:34:16 PM by ramset »

Belfior

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #348 on: August 12, 2018, 05:35:57 PM »
Hoppy
The patent shows a single ground connection to the bottom of the secondary which is induced by the primary. This is common practice in Tesla coils and known to increase the output power at the top load by anyone who has ever built a Tesla coil. Should we accuse them of stealing power from the grid?... well no that would be absurd.

In fact it does raise the potential for reasons even a child could understand. When a secondary coil is "not tied to ground" the number of free electrons which could move in the closed circuit is limited by the number of free electrons present in the circuit itself. However when a secondary coil "is tied to ground" it has a near unlimited number of free electrons which could move in the circuit because now it is tied to the planet Earth. It is a slight difference and very easy to overlook... in the first case the circuit is closed upon itself and in the second case it is attached to a fucking planet with a surface area of approximately 510 million square kilometers and a potential gradient rising by 100 volts per meter vertically.

It is strange is it not?, we are literally swimming in an incomprehensibly massive sea of energy, a universe seething with energy and the only thing on some peoples minds is their oblique obsession with burning fossil fuels to whirl some magnets past coils of wire and transmitting this energy along more wires.

No offense but your hypothesis that all these inventors are somehow stealing power from a man made grid of wires is so fucking absurd and offensive I don't even know where to begin. An infinite universe with no apparent end seething with energy on every level and the best you can possibly imagine with all neurons firing is that they must have been stealing power from a man made grid of wires?... you have zero credibility in my opinion.

I think if you look at Henry T Moray's first device it looks a lot like a crystal radio with two resonant coil circuits. He said in a interview that he noticed that there was no current coming from the ground, but current going into the ground through the load. So his starting circuit is a crystal radio setup to get some initial volts and then pumping that voltage up and into caps.

I do believe we live in a sea of energy. I think we just need to see the things that people take for granted and that are normally not considered important. Like if you have this Moray system and you pump the voltage up to what ever you want with joule thieves, voltage doublers or tesla coils and in thew circuit as the tesla secondary you have a ground&cap that is in resonance with L2. In my opinion that system in resonance has no resistance anymore and the cap charges instantly. Then you got charge inside a cap and making that flow is amps. Then discharge that cap through a spark to a new primary and step down to 12V and the rectify to DC.

There is no I or current in the capacitor charge equation, so in resonance there should be no impedance and the cap charges instantly or with miniscule current. so two "secrets" used in the device. Resonance and the "zero" impedance on the tank at resonance. If you load push&pulls at 50Hz per second and your cap charging circuit is doing 220kHz a second you got a lot of charge in the the cap bank to pull into amps.

Maybe I am wrong, but the energy is there and the answer is something simple like that. I hope I got some bench time at some point and I will test my theories out. I also post the results if I fail totally, so nobody has to waste that time all over again.

PS. If I charge a coil that is over an iron rod. Then I cut the power there will be a back-EMF spike. Can I divert that spike with diodes to a new coil that is over the same core in a way, that it aides the flux in the core? So get the flux from the initial charging of the first coil and then get a bonus flux from the BEMF spike? The BEMF coil would go around the core and into the ground. Does the negative spike even go to ground?

I am not an electrician so this negative spike has me confused. Should I think of it like pressure? First I apply positive pressure (voltage) to charge the coil and when I stop, the coil wants to keep the current going by using negative pressure like "sucking"? What we see is the voltage going negative (sucking effect) and the current still going in the same direction as before for a short time. So no matter if I use positive voltage or the BEMF it will still wants to ground, because it doesn't matter if positive pressure is pushing it to ground or if the coil is "sucking" the current through with negative voltage?


onepower

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #349 on: August 12, 2018, 09:08:27 PM »
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There is no I or current in the capacitor charge equation, so in resonance there should be no impedance and the cap charges instantly or with miniscule current. so two "secrets" used in the device. Resonance and the "zero" impedance on the tank at resonance. If you load push&pulls at 50Hz per second and your cap charging circuit is doing 220kHz a second you got a lot of charge in the the cap bank to pull into amps.

We should understand that the stuff that moves along a conductor is free electrons. The free electrons move about randomly until they feel an electro-motive-force which compels them to move along the conductor which we call an electric current. So to say a capacitor was charged with no current involved is to imply the capacitor was charged with electrons which never moved to charge the capacitor. Whenever an electron moves in any way this motion is considered an electric current, a current is motion.

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I am not an electrician so this negative spike has me confused. Should I think of it like pressure? First I apply positive pressure (voltage) to charge the coil and when I stop, the coil wants to keep the current going by using negative pressure like "sucking"? What we see is the voltage going negative (sucking effect) and the current still going in the same direction as before for a short time. So no matter if I use positive voltage or the BEMF it will still wants to ground, because it doesn't matter if positive pressure is pushing it to ground or if the coil is "sucking" the current through with negative voltage?

I would suggest you read this until something makes sense...http://amasci.com/miscon/whatis.html
Hell read the whole damn website because until we have mastered the basics of what electricity is and how it works were basically wasting our time. Unfortunately the FE forums are full of misleading and confusing information peddled by many people who have no fucking idea what there talking about.

If you want to move forward master the basics... what is actually happening in reality?... why is it happening?... how do I change what normally happens and make it do something different?. Do you know why I visit the forums?, 99% of it is complete and utter BS however every now and then I read something which makes me think. It makes me question my own perception of how I think things work in reality. You know they say a man who changes his mind is somehow fickle or undecided yet I change my mind one hundred times a day. How can one presume to make progress if they have learned nothing new which has changed their mind?... Learning is change and change is progress. How can we say something has changed but nothing has changed not unlike thinking a capacitor can charge without electrons moving as an electron current to charge it?.

Rule #1... if we have not learned something new which has changed our mind, our perception of things as we thought we knew it then nothing has changed. It doesn't get more fucking obvious than that does it?.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #350 on: August 12, 2018, 10:26:25 PM »
Belfior
We should understand that the stuff that moves along a conductor is free electrons. The free electrons move about randomly until they feel an electro-motive-force which compels them to move along the conductor which we call an electric current. So to say a capacitor was charged with no current involved is to imply the capacitor was charged with electrons which never moved to charge the capacitor. Whenever an electron moves in any way this motion is considered an electric current, a current is motion.

Thx for the site. I will read it.

Is it free electrons? Are there electrons? Do they move or are they in one spot as mass and their spin or other properties change, so that we interpret that as current or moving electrons? Is the energy actually outside the wire?

So are you actually telling it like it is, or are you telling me something that "was agreed on", which is a different thing?

Energy stored in a cap is CV^2/2. This tells me that current is no factor in that equation. So if the cap needs current to charge it means it has internal resistance. If current is needed it would be a factor in the equation. So obviously we don't have ideal capacitors, but what if you neutralize that resistance by using a resonant LC tank? How much charge can you get with just a HV source into that cap when in resonance? That charge will equal amps when you pull it out on the load side. If you get more charge into that cap than the load pulls then you can self loop.

I have seen lecturers take part capacitors. Grounding and connecting the plates together and rebuilding the cap. Once again the cap sparks when the plates are connected. So the charge was in the dielectric and not in the plates. So the "free electrons" were moved by current from +-plates to the glass dielectric?

From amasci site:

"What is electricity? This question is impossible to answer because the word "Electricity" has several contradictory meanings. These different meanings are incompatible, and the contradictions confuse everyone. If you don't understand electricity, you're not alone. Even teachers, engineers, and scientists have a hard time grasping the concept.

Obviously "electricity" cannot be several different things at the same time. Unfortunately we've defined the word Electricity in a crazy way. Because the word lacks one distinct meaning, we can never pin down the nature of electricity. In the end we're forced to declare that there's no such stuff as "electricity" at all! Here's a quick example to illustrate the problem."

So the problem with electricity seems to be that nobody understands it?

That is why I read the forums and read mostly the stuff that the crazy people write. Because we have been asking the wrong questions for about a hundred years now. Any breakthrough will come from the fringe areas if there is anything there to find. That unfortunately means that you go through a lot of bullshit, but every now and then you find a guy that has new ideas. Then you try to replicate and reproduce the effects.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #351 on: August 13, 2018, 02:08:18 AM »
F.Y.I.

O.T. ?  Fun - Food for Thought - or a little of both  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXeXcbvBPJw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9b0J29OzAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1MDOerruD
[Ver 2. outside of coil - battery/magnets => rotate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL0TRmprhEM

Theory of operation - analysis!

FIN

Thaelin

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #352 on: August 13, 2018, 06:33:12 AM »
At least those work when you build them.  ;D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #353 on: August 13, 2018, 03:45:48 PM »
Hi Belfior. To say it as nicely as it can be said, the problem is you have no idea what you are talking about. :)
I would suggest doing actual experiments first so you can learn how things actually work in reality, then if
you eventually find something interesting in actual bench tests, you can then post about it here if you like. :)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #354 on: August 14, 2018, 05:06:05 AM »
Patented,  ?   9564268
Garry

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #355 on: August 14, 2018, 05:17:59 AM »
and 20150102676
Garry

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #356 on: August 14, 2018, 03:00:30 PM »
Patented,  ?   9564268
Garry

Hi iflewmyown. Yes, it appears they were granted a patent, but, very strange, as it
appears they have patented a Tesla coil with only minor variations from from what Tesla
has done and already patented. How does a patent examiner go about approving a patent
on what is basically just a tesla coil? It looks interesting however in regards to their claims,
so I will read through it more when I get a chance.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #357 on: August 14, 2018, 03:24:46 PM »
Hi iflewmyown. Yes, it appears they were granted a patent, but, very strange, as it
appears they have patented a Tesla coil with only minor variations from from what Tesla
has done and already patented. How does a patent examiner go about approving a patent
on what is basically just a tesla coil? It looks interesting however in regards to their claims,
so I will read through it more when I get a chance.
US20150102676 Patent.
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/c2/73/cd/ed546d4872c866/US20150102676A1.pdf

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