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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #210 on: July 26, 2018, 06:30:34 PM »
Sergej said that he found a spot to connect mains and then the device worked, with all tesla coils pushpuls, fans, leds and so on, those parts are just a decoy. Sergej did not modify anything , supposedly.
He also had shown all schematics and explained how mains current powered the device including relay's for battery.

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. 'Supposedly' being the key word there. :)
I saw in Sergej's video where it looked like he actually had soldered his thin phase wire 
in more than one place, but I don't speak Russian so I am not sure about what Sergej was
trying to show there.  Anyway, the same circuit layout may work exactly the same if the
power source is looping back from the output of the coils in self loop configuration, or if a mains hot phase
wire is soldered in the same place instead (prior to the loop back diode bridge). I'm personally not jumping to
any conclusions here anyway. :)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #211 on: July 26, 2018, 06:49:00 PM »
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Hi PolaczekCebulaczek. 'Supposedly' being the key word there. :)
I saw in Sergej's video where it looked like he actually had soldered his thin phase wire
in more than one place, but I don't speak Russian so I am not sure about what Sergej was
trying to show there.  Anyway, the same circuit layout may work exactly the same if the
power source is looping back from the output of the coils in self loop configuration, or if a mains hot phase
wire is soldered in the same place instead (prior to the loop back diode bridge). I'm personally not jumping to
any conclusions here anyway. :)

that would be a surprise, hwoever one thing just makes me wonder, why in forest demo ruslan insert a pipe in some bushy area instead of open field?
Wesley is trying to contact Ruslan, Wes would bring HIS OWN ground wire or choose a location for demo, he will inspect everything, no room for hoax this time, if Ruslan let him...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #212 on: July 26, 2018, 07:24:36 PM »
that would be a surprise, hwoever one thing just makes me wonder, why in forest demo ruslan insert a pipe in some bushy area instead of open field?
Wesley is trying to contact Ruslan, Wes would bring HIS OWN ground wire or choose a location for demo, he will inspect everything, no room for hoax this time, if Ruslan let him...

Hi PolaczekCebulaczek . Yes, I agree, it would be essential for Wesley to be allowed to disconnect the ground wire
at least at the end of the ground wire which connects to the device and inspect fully, and also to be allowed to handle
the device however he wants to inspect the device for any possible hidden wires as well. Doing the demo at some
random location in the country side, with the exact spot chosen by Wesley would be very good as well.

However, I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter what precautions and steps Wesley may take,
such as the steps mentioned above, (if Ruslan agrees to something like this), and if the device still works,
people will still be insisting that Wesley was still just tricked somehow, or they will insist that Wesley has joined
up with Ruslan to fool everyone. ;D


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« Reply #213 on: July 26, 2018, 07:42:01 PM »
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There is a very good reason these devices work in some places some of the time but not all of the time. Relative humidity, water in the air, will either dampen the HV resonant effects or short the device out all together. It is well known in the art and anyone with any amount of understanding of these kinds of systems should have figured this out.

A nearby thunderstorm produces even more variation because now the Earth Ground potential can swing from 100V/m to thousands of V/m overloading the device. Then when the wind blows humid air into the vicinity the unit shorts out and stops working all together. Why anyone would think a device extracting energy from it's environment would not be effected by said environment boggles the mind.

Imagine that, some people put hundreds of hours of testing into a device and it never works for no other reason than they didn't check the relative humidity in the room. It is often something that simple that many people over look that gets them.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain

Well it makes sense.

This means that the device needs to have a supply of condioned air?
Should not be that difficult.

Also the ionisation charge of the air trough the during thunderstorm should be relative easy to be controlled




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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #214 on: July 26, 2018, 07:51:42 PM »
Hi PolaczekCebulaczek . Yes, I agree, it would be essential for Wesley to be allowed to disconnect the ground wire
at least at the end of the ground wire which connects to the device and inspect fully, and also to be allowed to handle
the device however he wants to inspect the device for any possible hidden wires as well. Doing the demo at some
random location in the country side, with the exact spot chosen by Wesley would be very good as well.

However, I can pretty much guarantee you that no matter what precautions and steps Wesley may take,
such as the steps mentioned above, (if Ruslan agrees to something like this), and if the device still works,
people will still be insisting that Wesley was still just tricked somehow, or they will insist that Wesley has joined
up with Ruslan to fool everyone. ;D
And that would be the correct default position to take. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary levels of proof, after all. And what claim is more extraordinary than these: Self runners, not co-opted by the Russian military....

However, what is much more likely is that Wesley will not be allowed to perform the necessary inspections and experimentation to rule out hidden external or internal sources of power.
A third possibility is that the device won't work, and Ruslan and his cadre will fall back on the "onepower" excuse: not enough something in the air, too much other somethings, not Tuesday, not full enough moon, forgot to circle three times widdershins around the plinth.... 

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« Reply #215 on: July 26, 2018, 07:59:22 PM »
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There is a very good reason these devices work in some places some of the time but not all of the time. Relative humidity, water in the air, will either dampen the HV resonant effects or short the device out all together. It is well known in the art and anyone with any amount of understanding of these kinds of systems should have figured this out.

A nearby thunderstorm produces even more variation because now the Earth Ground potential can swing from 100V/m to thousands of V/m overloading the device. Then when the wind blows humid air into the vicinity the unit shorts out and stops working all together. Why anyone would think a device extracting energy from it's environment would not be effected by said environment boggles the mind.

Imagine that, some people put hundreds of hours of testing into a device and it never works for no other reason than they didn't check the relative humidity in the room. It is often something that simple that many people over look that gets them.

It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain
Uh-huh, and pulling excuses out of thin air can also get you into trouble.

The devices "work" whenever and wherever they are demonstrated by Ruslan and his cronies. I don't recall seeing a failed demonstration, presented alongside a relative humidity measurement.

While it is certainly true that we don't know all the factors involved in getting one of these things to work, and humidity etc. can indeed affect circuitry in various ways, one could seize upon many many factors to blame for them not working. Phase of moon and day of week are my favorites. The moon phase is linked to tides... what could be more powerful than ocean tides! And have you noticed that Trump News peters out on Friday and there is very little over the weekend, and on Monday the news activity picks back up....

Look up "Special Pleading" when you have a chance.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #216 on: July 26, 2018, 08:44:13 PM »
If that device works it would be a miracle. Remember Kapa aqua box video. That guy holding device said something important.

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« Reply #217 on: July 27, 2018, 12:02:51 AM »
Tinsel,

You are a smart guy, i almost whatched all your vid's with a lot of respect.
You like to make results...  i can see that...

Lets assume the Ruslan device is legimit,.... ( as i am convinced it is)

What would be in your opinion the driving force to obtain the absorbtion of the tesla charge/ ionisated air energy into the output coil?


I d like to get focussed on engineering facts....  even in little steps...  and after that the next one...... see relations,..  proof of concept.... and start again from there..  or try something els..  again,..  again .........  see those Amp and Volt meters doing crazy movements

We don't know who here on this forum have the same goals, having regard to the character where the discussion always falls back on shows that might be 8 out of 10 people here not to obtain  OU.
Sorry if I offend people but it really seems so.
There is no spin or within the meaning of working on the bench.

Just endless discussion about  the "fake issue".. which in my opinion is contra productive ....  what does not make sense as you look what knowledge and experience is on board here.
There was that other guy Adrian Gustov (sorry about spelling.
let's look at his Tesla coil for a start his L2 had a lot of turns on it and it was a 1/3 way up his L1 coil, doesn't that give you some idea's ? current (tuned exciter coil) High Voltage count turns so is in resonance.

Oh and one of his video's he showed a stack of capacitors in a block, for tuning ? or Pulsing ?
In his later video's self osculating would not have run that Katcher the gap was to big it sugest's
a higher voltage driver circuit.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2018, 05:14:59 AM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #218 on: July 27, 2018, 01:12:34 AM »
the video is ready now :
https://youtu.be/FJXVVD8IiQc

It is  somehow positive analysis of Ruslan Device.
It is A COPY of Akula device that was checked by Stepanov and examined by my friend Tiger.
Akula's device was also  examined  by German Investor  in 2014 who visited Akula.
And Germans are not naive people. After that Akula spend more than year in Germany.
Tiger my friend was also ask to work in Germany.

video contains  access to schematics and explanations
We may be dealing with targeted attack on
FE community
and if not than Sergey is  saying truth .
Please read description below  video and give me Hand Up As I suspect  that horde of Trolls will be targeting me again.

Wesley

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« Reply #219 on: July 27, 2018, 01:35:37 AM »
... forgot to circle three times widdershins around the plinth....

Hi TK. Now you've gone and leaked the real secret of FE out...
Now everyone and their cat is going to be coming out with working FE devices. :D 

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« Reply #220 on: July 27, 2018, 01:52:13 AM »
... and if not than Sergey is saying truth.

Hi Wesley. I don't think Sergej is wrong or lying when he says he hooked the phase line from
the mains to the relay contact on the device and it works. The relay(s) is/are setup as a latching
relay, so I think it should work the same whether you connect the output from the grenade coil to that
point on the relay, or a wire connected to the mains phase line, if the grenade coil were producing enough
power to maintain self looping that is.  Since it should probably work the same either way, it doesn't
necessarily mean at all that Ruslan used a hidden mains phase wire.

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« Reply #221 on: July 27, 2018, 03:15:32 AM »
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The devices "work" whenever and wherever they are demonstrated by Ruslan and his cronies. I don't recall seeing a failed demonstration, presented alongside a relative humidity measurement.

I do not believe that is true and it was documented in this thread that Ruslan had units which did not work in other locations. I also remember reading of similar instances with the Kapanadze device.

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While it is certainly true that we don't know all the factors involved in getting one of these things to work, and humidity etc. can indeed affect circuitry in various ways, one could seize upon many many factors to blame for them not working. Phase of moon and day of week are my favorites. The moon phase is linked to tides... what could be more powerful than ocean tides! And have you noticed that Trump News peters out on Friday and there is very little over the weekend, and on Monday the news activity picks back up....

My claim was made from first hand experience at the bench not theory. It is also well known in the art that PVC tubing for HV use should be warmed to drive off moisture or given a coat of varathane or epoxy to seal it. As well anyone can do a simple test, fire up a Tesla coil then spray some water mist near it... does it detune or not?. If you cannot or will not prove the matter for yourself then I'm sorry I cannot help you.

The fact remains that conduction increases as voltage rises and insulators and dielectrics can become conductors. At 500kV wood, water, earth and plastic containing moisture are very good conductors. All of this is explained in any textbook on HV phenomena, A.D. Moore for example.

I remember the hours of debate we had many years ago on every subject under the Sun and I put you in my top 5 most likely to nail this technology because of your experience ... what happened TK?. Why this?.

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« Reply #222 on: July 27, 2018, 04:12:24 AM »
OK...  for the moment let's stipulate that the device(s) DO work, self-run and power reasonably heavy loads.
Please explain, then, why or how the various militaries and intelligence agencies active in that part of the world have not co-opted the inventors, seized their inventions, and militarized them for the battlefield? Or simply suppressed them altogether.
Why has this not happened? Why are these inventors still running around in the open, posting on forums and YT.... where is the FSB? CIA?
Please explain. Do you know how much a liter of Diesel fuel costs, on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Syria? It's a lot more than you pay at the pump, that's for sure. There are extremely powerful motivations for militaries to get and use this technology. So why haven't they done it already? Why aren't they taking steps to keep this tech out of the hands of their enemies?



@onepower: My SSTCs do not go out of tune in varying environmental conditions, because I use autoresonating circuitry that automagically adjusts itself to remain in resonance.   It's not hard.... maybe Ruslan should email me for a consult.  I'll make him a special deal....And as far as me "nailing" this technology... have you ever tried nailing jello to the wall? Nevertheless I hope you've seen my TKoil X demonstrations and can make the connection....

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #223 on: July 27, 2018, 06:11:14 AM »
OK...  for the moment let's stipulate that the device(s) DO work, self-run and power reasonably heavy loads.
Please explain, then, why or how the various militaries and intelligence agencies active in that part of the world have not co-opted the inventors, seized their inventions, and militarized them for the battlefield? Or simply suppressed them altogether.
Why has this not happened? Why are these inventors still running around in the open, posting on forums and YT.... where is the FSB? CIA?
Please explain. Do you know how much a liter of Diesel fuel costs, on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Syria? It's a lot more than you pay at the pump, that's for sure. There are extremely powerful motivations for militaries to get and use this technology. So why haven't they done it already? Why aren't they taking steps to keep this tech out of the hands of their enemies?

Hi TK. Who knows, but here's a couple of guesses.... :)

1) I think Latvia and Kazakhstan are not under Russia's control. FSB and CIA are not free to do as they please
in those two countries, I think.
2) Many/most people educated in science and engineering will most likely assume that all these free energy device
claims are a bunch of malarkey, so governments and their advisers may well assume it is all nonsense for the most
part, so pay it little attention. Who sends in military personnel or security agents or whatever over an issue they assume is nonsense?


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #224 on: July 27, 2018, 06:13:33 AM »
Watch my  video my friend.
I have spend 4 days,  to make this video( 16 hours/day ) i hotel room just to prove  that Sergey is likely wrong
or intentionally wrong. Intro was prerecorded
Wesley


Hi Wesley. Nice video! (You have been adding some cool video editing effects
in your videos in the past while BTW). I agree that it seems very unlikely that if Ruslan was
trying to scam Sergej with a fake device that Ruslan would leave a plainly visible 5 inch
piece of insulated wire hanging part way out the ground wire connection hole. Ruslan would
have to be a complete idiot to do that. It does seem much more likely that Sergej soldered
that wire there later, but I wasn't there so I of course can't say for certain what actually happened there.