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Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #165 on: July 21, 2018, 01:08:03 PM »
Hoppy no I can't and I don't have the test equipment to develop such a device, did you notice the HF SG the Ols Sci was using
I only have a 5 MHZ device to get any where you need a 100mhz device with PW  impulse drive.

Where are you perhaps we could pull resources ?  you talk about the green box that device would be one of the easiest to play with and perhaps get going to prove one way or the other.

On the other hand tin mans device does prove the point quite well.

AG
Do really think that Kapanadze is using a 100Mhz device with PW impulse drive??  ??? What point do you think Tinman's device proves?
Without some reliable info on what is in the green box, pulling resources without some 'inside info', would be rather pointless in my opinion.


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« Reply #166 on: July 21, 2018, 01:17:21 PM »
Do really think that Kapanadze is using a 100Mhz device with PW impulse drive??  ??? What point do you think Tinman's device proves?
well the spark gap will send harmonics into the Ghz range ! and the green box coil has a 1/8 wave on that top copper tube
thats got to be at least 10 to 20 mhz, (that's how it works) ( but let's suppose he tiunes one of the layers 0.5uh with 47nf cap it's res would still be in the 2mh range and if you were buying a SG would you bother buying a SG with a top range
less than 100 to 300 Mz ? I wouldn't.

Your asking me stuff that's been on this tread in the last few pages, I wouldn't mind so much if you had read it! and knew how stuff
worked or supposedly is reported to work.

OK here is a test for you what significant difference  would adding an earth to a mono pole Tesla coil make ?

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« Reply #167 on: July 21, 2018, 04:51:36 PM »
Well...I think Kapanadze device works similar to Steven Mark, the principle seems the same but the realization is much safer because of many obstacles it cannot run-away except for a slight 1-2 seconds delay after disconnecting the power source.  :P  So I guess he is using the same method as Henry Moray - storing energy in capacitor and using kind of LC circuit where capacitor  is gradually charged by radiant energy instead of power source. Of course the power output is diminished by a large factor also....

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« Reply #168 on: July 22, 2018, 12:25:35 AM »
Well...I think Kapanadze device works similar to Steven Mark, the principle seems the same but the realization is much safer because of many obstacles it cannot run-away except for a slight 1-2 seconds delay after disconnecting the power source.  :P  So I guess he is using the same method as Henry Moray - storing energy in capacitor and using kind of LC circuit where capacitor  is gradually charged by radiant energy instead of power source. Of course the power output is diminished by a large factor also....

Forest,

Right it is ( as i believe) based all on the same fundamentals.

For the power part as you say the radiant energy is stored in a cap......., let me say it this way..... and i hope we get it more clear in possible explanations and facts.

Lets start simple,....i like that...
When you puls a coil...  EMF is generated which is coming from the stored energy in the coil.
I would say this energy comes from the radiant energy present in the surrounding of this coil.
With 12V/  0.2A pulsing a coil, i can charge a cap with 1000V,... needing a number of puls chargings.... so maybe this energy needs to be higher in the coils surrounding?


The HV from the kacher or from a separate source ..... is increasing the EMF charging.... or not?
With result that less pulses are needed to charge the same cap to 1000V.
So is this the deal we are trying to accomplish?


in my opinion there is no difference either we are talking about Kapanadze or other related setups..... they all use HV as a energy source and do create a sharp puls to activate a EMF proces in the "output" coil.
The only problem we have is that we can't get it working or maybe in  small way

So this mechanisme needs to be better in place....  the way how this has to be done in order to get significant EMF is still one of the secret.

There are some relations or combinations in the setup which could be critical for this mayor effect;

1- Timing of the puls/ SG is not the missing link,...  many of us have made lots of pulsing boards/ electronics in order to shift this puls.
2- Frequenty relation HV and resonance of the output coil,....is also something most of us has achieved in there testsetup.... but no significant effect yet...
3- Combination of (1) and (2)... Also here i would assume it is a logical next step after having the setup on the bench...... many of us have tried..
4-  Particular output coil/ grenade configuration,.... here could be some secrets being hidden,....  altough the configurations available on the internet could be false..  so this could lead to a dead end on the bench.
5-  (4) could become a endless story if it is realy critical,...  we don t know which criteria yet'is used............ so (1), (2) and (4) hitting the jackpot has a low change
6- Output coil/ grenade wirelength versus (2) seems likely Short wave radio thechnique,..  this is also something what likes to be difficult and not easy to achieve..
This shortwave approach also implicates the whole setup and all its coils,....which is very critical... and thus again difficult to combine with (4) and/ or (2) etc.


Looking at Geo 's results....  maybe he has accomplished one of mentioned combination?  Would be good to know if Geo tried a different modified grenade also and see if he gets same results?
At least to see if it is to determind what is related of the mentioned items.

Greetings


AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #169 on: July 22, 2018, 01:49:21 AM »
Apcore  some how I'm not so sure it's the grenate, lets look at the green box. Any one played with that ?

pay attention to wire length to keep in resonance notice width of gap use SG and scope to tune first layer
with tune cap for max amplitude at around 500khz - 200khz

let us know how any one gets on.

winding coil a few pages back will do for playing with testing.

AG

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« Reply #170 on: July 22, 2018, 06:19:32 AM »
I wrote this befor  but ok let's try again.

kapadnaze as well as others made a great deal about  groundig in almost all demos they had a relativly new groundpoint.
bury a car radiator and what not .

ask your self how would you improvise a god ground ?

bury a car radiator ore driving an long copper ore zinked steel rod outside in the ground ? looking for a spot where you have moist earth? yes all fine .. they did this.

what else you need ?
a suficiente wire diameter at least 6mm diameter ore more and best be fine multistrandet . kepp the wire as short as you can

what did they? .. the ground point was allways like 10meters away from the demo unit away often the wire was way longer ... and they always used cable that looks like they stole it from grandma's old vakuumcleaner.

have fun

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #171 on: July 22, 2018, 09:26:30 AM »
I wrote this befor  but ok let's try again.

kapadnaze as well as others made a great deal about  groundig in almost all demos they had a relativly new groundpoint.
bury a car radiator and what not .

ask your self how would you improvise a god ground ?

bury a car radiator ore driving an long copper ore zincked steel rod outside in the ground ? looking for a spot where you have moist earth? yes all fine .. they did this.

what else you need ?
a sufficient wire diameter at least 6mm diameter ore more and best be fine multi-stranded . keep the wire as short as you can

what did they? .. the ground point was always like 10meters away from the demo unit away often the wire was way longer ... and they always used cable that looks like they stole it from grandma's old vacuum cleaner.

have fun
Isn't the wire length part of the wave length !n meters ?

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AlienGrey

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« Reply #173 on: July 22, 2018, 02:03:02 PM »
Auto self-tuning resonant circuit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPvdN75dl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFP6c7lwyoE
Tinsel Hi can you tell me what label the scmitt-trigger inverter chip is please and what
iC2A and IC2B actually do and connect as IC2C looks as if it would control the width. It might be
of interest that a 4093 would be easyer to get hold of in the junk box and common the 2 inuts or
just common one input to +ve line.

Also some guys might find your circuit useful for driving a Tesla coil under Test if a diode is added
between the MosFet and coil and a voltage limiter between MosFet and drain and ground.

Some kind of current limit feedback might be useful under fault conditions.

Many thanks  ;D

PS Patric Kelly conference on alternative FE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WXMZKqBP90
AG

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #174 on: July 23, 2018, 07:45:22 AM »
Tinsel Hi can you tell me what label the scmitt-trigger inverter chip is please and what
iC2A and IC2B actually do and connect as IC2C looks as if it would control the width. It might be
of interest that a 4093 would be easyer to get hold of in the junk box and common the 2 inuts or
just common one input to +ve line.

Also some guys might find your circuit useful for driving a Tesla coil under Test if a diode is added
between the MosFet and coil and a voltage limiter between MosFet and drain and ground.

Some kind of current limit feedback might be useful under fault conditions.

Many thanks  ;D

PS Patric Kelly conference on alternative FE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WXMZKqBP90
AG
You must be talking about a different circuit than what I showed in those two video clips. The autoresonating circuit of TKoil X is very simple.

If you are talking about some of the other circuits others have listed above, I can explain the purpose of the chips if you specify exactly which diagram you mean.

Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #175 on: July 23, 2018, 08:30:58 AM »
Information  about FE device based on real example of it is available AS I PROMISED TO YOU.
I'm working on  real data .
I will start from one source first
The second source  independent from the first one and not related to the first one , is not yet  going to be discussed.
It is a lot of work and not only that.
Wesley
Thanks for that Wesley. Its about time some reliable info was published, especially for those, like me, still stuck in the box.  ;D

AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #176 on: July 23, 2018, 10:07:59 AM »
You must be talking about a different circuit than what I showed in those two video clips. The autoresonating circuit of TKoil X is very simple.

If you are talking about some of the other circuits others have listed above, I can explain the purpose of the chips if you specify exactly which diagram you mean.
Err um  This one! if you could

many thanks

TinselKoala

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« Reply #177 on: July 23, 2018, 10:57:06 AM »
The CD4046 is configured as a voltage-controlled oscillator. The potentiometer P1 controls the voltage input to Pin 9 of this VCO and thus controls its frequency. The oscillator produces an approximately square pulse train, coming out at Pin 4. The components surrounding the Schmitt trigger inverter stage IC2C, comprising the pot P2 and the cap and resistors, form a pulse-shortening network that transforms the more or less squareish output of the VCO into shorter pulses whose width is controlled by P2. The output of the pulse shortener is fed to the TC4420 mosfet driver chip (which also has Schmitt trigger input) which then drives the mosfet's Gate. The mosfet is in a low-side switch arrangement, switching current from the +12 volt supply rail through the transformer primary TR1. Two more stages of the IC2 are used to inhibit or disinhibit the VCO, depending on which of the two gates is getting a +12 volt input or is grounded out. This section could be connected to another oscillator to provide chopping or pulsing of the main VCO signal.
The Schmitt trigger inverter (IC2) could be any of a number of different part numbers. Generally there are 6 gates per chip, so in this circuit 3 are unused. It is good practice to tie the inputs of unused gates to ground or Vcc.

What you are showing is known as the Les Banki Nano-Pulser. The circuit I used in the exact video where you saw it is a variation on this circuit. This is not an auto-resonant circuit as it stands but could be "transformed" into one (no pun intended).

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« Reply #178 on: July 23, 2018, 01:13:43 PM »
I would like a few of those old vacuum cleaners for the cable! You were looking at some quality cable in the video!
I'm using 4mil to experiment I used 1/4 wave lemgth but 1/2 wave was much better but some 6mi multi strand like welding cable when it's working
I don't get the impression from the green box build and layout that the ground wire lengths are critical but as Alien points out the SG tuning to include a given ground wire length may be.
I think you might find it is!
I would like a few of those old vacuum cleaners for the cable! You were looking at some quality cable in the video!
More to the point, what do you think we need to replicate the green box, other than the box?
A HV PSU tuned to the selected low end frequency. (don't get too complacent or you end up with leaks in the system).

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #179 on: July 23, 2018, 01:42:34 PM »
The CD4046 is configured as a voltage-controlled oscillator. The potentiometer P1 controls the voltage input to Pin 9 of this VCO

What you are showing is known as the Les Banki Nano-Pulser. The circuit I used in the exact video where you saw it is a variation on this circuit. This is not an auto-resonant circuit as it stands but could be "transformed" into one (no pun intended).
Hi sorry to be a pain, but have you a link to the Banki reference please ?

Also i note http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2578.msg49522#msg49522
your notes on the nano pulse PSU any chance of any information on that item and or pointers please.

Regards AG