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Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #150 on: July 20, 2018, 05:06:58 AM »
In 2008 Tariel patent  application was denied and revoked by means of  qualification.
His application was assigned/ thrown into to group of patents  that belongs to  Perpetual Motion Machines.
Independently  recreated and providing  the same or similar performance devices based on corresponding  and filed patent application,  after the filing date are eligible as the prove of Tariel's patent.
Ways to prove it are by scientific evaluation or by means of proven existence in the form it was filed.

To bypass   any possible delay I suggested to Tariel to give it to the public.
By means of  grandfathering Tariel is entitled to  the full rights to that patent at no time .

Even if anyone of us present the device  in the form described by
Tariels application than Tariel's lawyers  free of charge to Tariel  will strip humanity from being able to use it without Tariel's acceptance.
Even if his application was revoked he has rights to reopen it and  he will get patent.
All and any form of profit made by anyone till that  time must be recovered on benefit of Tariel.
Well in some countries law does not allow to work back in time.
In such case prove of Tariel concept will be provided  by number of devices replicated.
Tariel or his family after his death will become the wealthiest people on the surface of the  earth.
Along with Mr Turk   the patent attorney who signed the contract with Tariel  for 50%  of future income if Tariel's  patent  will be issued at any time in the future .
He did so and that is why Tariel  got patent application without any expenses of his own.


Hi Wesley. It appears someone was trying to seriously con Kapanadze, if this is what they told him.
The content of Kapanadze's patent applications were so far off from even the basics of what is required in
a patent application that Kapanadze might just as well have submitted blank pieces of paper as his patent applications.

Patent applications have to contain sufficient detail that the patent application should be able to be
used as plans 'for anyone sufficiently skilled in the art' to build a working prototype, if the patent is for
some kind of device. We all know/suspect that at least some people/corporations may very likely intentionally leave out
some important details, or may put in a few purposely incorrect details in their patent applications to try to mislead
any potential competitors from getting their full 'secrets', but they would have to do this very subtly, otherwise if the patent
examiner suspected this they could disqualify the patent application.

In the case of Kapanadze's 'patent applications', they contain such incredibly vague block diagrams and vague descriptions that
no one can tell at all just what exactly it is that Kapanadze was supposed to be patenting. Some very vague arrangement of coils and some
other very vague circuits are alluded to for who know what exact purpose or function. It was so incredibly vague that the patent examiner must
have assumed the patent applications from Kapanadze were some kind of joke. ;D They are worthless to Kapanadze, and would/will
not legally protect him or his cosigners even from someone coming out with a seeming nearly identical device as Kapanadze has shown.
If someone advised Kapanadze that those completely vague and therefore completely useless patent applications he submitted
would somehow protect his legal rights, then the people advising him were either completely incompetent or complete and utter crooks.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #151 on: July 20, 2018, 11:35:14 AM »
I feel that the system has been rigged at least since Tesla was working for Morgan and Westinghouse. When he started talking about wireless transfer of energy Morgan pulled his money out. Also I bet they realized that they have lotsa infrastructure in place and they make billions by pulling cable in the air across the country. It would all be scrapped if wireless transfer was possible.

I think the current electrical education system is lobbied and sponsored by the energy providers. They dictate what is in the books (and what is not) and they decide who gets research grants for research packages THEY provide. So you can't just say "I want to research free energy", because they will tell you that you get 150000$ to research improved mileage on a petrol engine. Then if you make the engine 8% more efficient they raise petrol price by 15%...

I still think the "answer" is very simple like everything in Nature. We need to think how come do not arrive at this answer? Limitless energy is there. Even scientists agree to this. Why would it be impossible to harness it then? I think the concept of Ether is just all the EM radiation that is more or less evenly spread in the universe. My take on this is that something was removed, hidden or just not talked about. It is not in any school books and it should be the ONLY thing in the school books. Voltage does not get the credit I think it needs. Frequency is said not to affect power. This is very peculiar to me. Like pull your nose once. Then pull your nose 35000 times per second. Do you still have a nose?

Something has been stripped from the knowledge passed onto us. That is why I am asking the stupid questions and trying my own ideas out. I do have a bachelor degree in electrical engineering, but I don't keep it on my wall or preach the UU gospel like some do.

It is obvious that the game is rigged if you just loo outside and compare what you see to the crap they print in books.

Free energy -> anti-gravity -> gtfo of Dodge and let the banks stay here with the illuminati


AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #152 on: July 20, 2018, 01:40:38 PM »
Belfor  can i ask your age ?  only you seam to be able to write stuff but not read it, only i have seen two or three
ways of creating very efficient energy saving secrets that have been disclosed in the past week alone.

It is not just yourself but others appear to suffer from the same problem, unless it's some one to produce a ready made device or kit your waiting for, witch just isn't going to happen, so get real and start reading and thinking out
side of the box. Then you can show Tinsel and the rest of us how it's actually done  snigger snigger!   

Belfior

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #153 on: July 20, 2018, 02:40:34 PM »
Belfor  can i ask your age ?  only you seam to be able to write stuff but not read it, only i have seen two or three
ways of creating very efficient energy saving secrets that have been disclosed in the past week alone.

It is not just yourself but others appear to suffer from the same problem, unless it's some one to produce a ready made device or kit your waiting for, witch just isn't going to happen, so get real and start reading and thinking out
side of the box. Then you can show Tinsel and the rest of us how it's actually done  snigger snigger!

I am 44 years old. I have not seen any energy saving secrets that actually work, but then again I only have time to read some threads and not every message posted on this web site.

I do read mostly books between 1880 and 1920. It seems there were many ideas and bench tested stuff that you cannot find in newer books. I am thinking outside the box every day and I try to write all my ideas down, so I might try them out later. If you learn your stuff in school from a guy who also learned all of it from books, you will not discover anything new. If the establishment (energy companies) is affecting the school books then you got zero chance of finding anything new or hidden. You really need to think outside the box to find anything new. Just lie on your back and look at the stars. Write everything down and later toss out everything that does not work.

Or there is the penicillin way and you will fall on to the discovery. Accidents also provided us with neodymium magnets and god knows what else?

My daughter is 11 months and I have maybe 2 hours a week to do some actual bench stuff, if I'm at home. During summer that means no bench time.

All the evidence is there to prove that the energy is also there. The answer will pop up eventually. The Egyptians had some pretty advanced knowledge (or the people before them) and they lifted stones bigger than we can lift now. So they knew something and did not require kacher circuits to use them.

When I find it I will give it to you. You say nobody will make a kit that you can just start using. Why you think that? Money does not make you happy. Greed is the only reason why don't have the secret out yet. That is not only sad, but might end this planet before we have means to fly to other planets&moons

Finding the secret might not even be the biggest problem. If you got limitless energy then everybody has it. Do we wan't everybody to have it? They will use it as a weapon.
World economy and people's jobs are in danger. Economy will survive and people too, because they always have. Airplanes, zeppelins, trains, cars, nuclear power, electricity and factories all changed the economy and some horse carriage makers lost their jobs.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #154 on: July 20, 2018, 03:21:16 PM »
Here is my comment:
We have  bunch of new guys, posting here.
And I started to respond to.. it was not smart.

I was telling  that at some point  activity  of some trolls can be deleted along with  their accounts.
please keep it in mind
I try to be friendly
Wesley

hmm..
as i'm one of the new guys  i can asure you my last intend would be trolling this subject.
how ever for the most time i simply follow the topic .Over the years i found it more fruitfull to proof some ideas on the bench in
verry smal steps . A few ideas here are verry close to what i was abled to test. I'm not the forum hero anyway so to me it be ok both ways  deletedore not.

have fun  JoJo

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #155 on: July 20, 2018, 06:04:09 PM »
Belfior thank you for your reply, Iwas wondering if you were a senior citizen and needed some pointers ect hope thats ok any way I'm pretty sure some of the basic useful youtube video's are on this tread and another
you found your self are of The old scientist youtube tread, regarding the questions your asking.
However there is so much spam it's getting dificult to find relevant stuff of interest.

Some of them were published by Wesley and very interesting and useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWD0Wy_UOEA

and this one too from Tin man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGkKXD9ksQ
« Last Edit: July 20, 2018, 08:11:23 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #156 on: July 20, 2018, 08:32:01 PM »
Belfior -there is so much spam it's getting difficult to find relevant stuff of interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOGkKXD9ksQ
I do thank you for that
Videos are Marvelous
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #157 on: July 20, 2018, 10:50:32 PM »
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Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #158 on: July 20, 2018, 11:13:06 PM »
Quote from: Void on July 02, 2018, 06:01:45 AM
...in all the Kapanadze demos videos I have seen, Kapanadze appeared to use only one earth ground connection (at a time).

and

https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=169
Here you have explanation about two grounds in Kapanadze patent application.
Can you comment on it
Hoppy, Void  and others?


I said about two grounds system as principal requirement  for Tariel Kapanadze device to work
Who is right  and who is wrong.?

Wesley
The patent shows one ground symbol, so I cannot construe from the schematic that there are in fact two ground connections. As previously commented, I do not see two ground connections connected to the device at any point in the green box video. However, I am open to the strong possibility that there is a concealled wire which may be the second ground. Alternatively, any concealled wire could have been connected to an aeriel wire.
The video you posted does not in my opinion show that the increased charging rate of the capacitor is necessarily the result of energy drawn from the ground.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #159 on: July 20, 2018, 11:58:49 PM »
Please look here
https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=629
Wesley
« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 12:00:58 AM by stivep »

Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #160 on: July 21, 2018, 04:05:31 AM »
Please look here
https://youtu.be/atlnVNy0IDE?t=629
and than
look  at the picture
Wesley


Hi Wesley. I have spent many many hours running all kinds of experiments along these lines
over quite a few years now, and from what I saw from the Old Scientist's experiments shown,
I did not see anything that I would say gave an indication of anything very unusual going on.
His exact experimental setup was not clear to me however, so without knowing his exact
setup I can't really comment further on it.

I was not suggesting that having two separate earth grounds is not a viable way to go when
trying to achieve COP > 1, as Frank Prentice used at least two separate earth grounds and
claimed to have measured a COP of around 6.  I was just saying I did not see indications
that Kapanadze uses more than one earth ground connection. I am attaching a couple of drawings
from Kapandze's patent applications. They seem to depict only one single earth ground connection,
which is consistent with what we have seen in Kapanadze's video demos over the years. 


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #161 on: July 21, 2018, 06:25:35 AM »
what you see in the patents you can't see it on the demo video,
what you see in the video demo you can't see it in the patents.

the first video (tin can) and first the patent is the simplest, i think Ruslan has been succesfully conecting the dot.Ruslan last  video (16 watt) look very similar to Kapanadze tin can video.
similar material, inverter 12 v dc to 220v ac,power suply 220v ac to 12 v dc ,coil wound look similar.


Ruslan : DO NOT PURSUE THE POWER (get the 220v ac from inverter?),TESLA CURRENT (with controlled Tesla),GROUND FROM EARTH

So guys! I'll tell you all easier. If you want something to collect, do not pursue the " POWER ". So the pumping is simple without resonance. Tupa is a magnetic alternating field! Next ... Position the coils so that one coil with its own field does not stack with the other. That is, the shift must be done. Otherwise OLED will interfere! Now we remember Tesla and when we bring to her a sheet connected through a light bulb to the ground ... What do we observe? The answer is correct! Light bulb shine :) This current you need! Now, by inducing this all on your reel, the end of which is grounded ... You make the magnetic field longitudinal (pushing) and transverse, creating a flow of motion! I told you that the generator of BTG works like a normal generator. Hence Tesla pushes the current, or in other words, pushes or carries the magnetic field away from the pump by a longitudinal field. There is no OEDF! Nothing hinders and there is no resistance either! How are we in the classics? Currents on the sides of the coil?! Here! Boca then do not match :)
 And now make a controlled Tesla! That is, interrupt the pushing of the current at a frequency below the pump. This is the current flow! Well guess what, finally, damn ....
 How much can you say that?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #162 on: July 21, 2018, 10:05:21 AM »
Wesley,

Like the green box device, the Aqua 2 device appears to power a heavy load with a single ground wire so how does the dual physical ground wire theory add up to what we see in any of Kapanadze's videos?

If these devices are genuine, then the principle is very likely very simple as Kapanadze claims. The biggest clue in my opinion is that Kapanadze avoids running these devices in stormy weather, which suggests that there is a concealled connection to an aeriel wire, assuming the devices are not faked. I'm trying hard to join the dots.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #163 on: July 21, 2018, 11:04:54 AM »
Wesley,

Like the green box device, the Aqua 2 device appears to power a heavy load with a single ground wire so how does the dual physical ground wire theory add up to what we see in any of Kapanadze's videos?

If these devices are genuine, then the principle is very likely very simple as Kapanadze claims. The biggest clue in my opinion is that Kapanadze avoids running these devices in stormy weather, which suggests that there is a concealled connection to an aeriel wire, assuming the devices are not faked. I'm trying hard to join the dots.
Hoppy the answer to your question is easy ! answer you haven't done your home work with watching the old scientist video's !
the single earth is a mono polar Tesla coil, Also do you remember some 2 years ago Nelson talking about the very same coil
wasting energy? you can also make a coil with out the harmonics. My advice to you is watch them while you can they are saying (catch us if you can) sounds like a pop group from the 60s  ;D

P S two earths or none is a bipolar! reminds me of my psychology OU coarse I did,  :o You say he doesn't run the device in a thunderstorm  ;D :D a very verrrrrry wise man, surely you can work that out for your self!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #164 on: July 21, 2018, 12:53:27 PM »
Hi Alien,
I've watched most of his videos but cannot recall where he has demonstrated operation without a conventional power supply in a self-running mode. You continually write as if you have the 'knowledge' and proven the operating principle of the Kapanadze devices, by self-running your own device(s). Can you show any evidence of your achievement? As you are well aware there are many that can talk the talk.... ;)
Hoppy no I can't and I don't have the test equipment to develop such a device, did you notice the HF SG the Ols Sci was using
I only have a 5 MHZ device to get any where you need a 100mhz device with PW  impulse drive.

Where are you perhaps we could pull resources ?  you talk about the green box that device would be one of the easiest to play with and perhaps get going to prove one way or the other.

On the other hand tin mans device does prove the point quite well.

Ove course you could wind a Tesla coil 1Mtr long and work out the wire length for 100khz and tune it to that frequency to prove the point and then use a ferrox core transformer to collect it all. but the trick is done around the Tesla coil.

AG