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Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #120 on: July 08, 2018, 11:14:49 PM »
Hah! Even TheOldScientist agrees with me. He is even saying "try to understand what I am saying!"

His input is 7V and some amps for covering copper losses. He is charging a cap with 165V. With that input. So how many Farads you need to run selflooped with 165V?

Hi Belfior. It is not about comparing input voltage to output voltage however.
It is about comparing average input power to average output power.
It takes power to charge capacitors. People sometimes forget this in their enthusiasm.
Having a sparkgap and/or earth grounds in the mix could possibly/potentially allow pulling in extra energy from the environment however.

We should not try to draw any conclusions from any test which is not self looped or which does make an accurate
measurement of average input power and average output power.

That should be every free energy experimenters motto to live and breath by. :)



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #121 on: July 08, 2018, 11:14:50 PM »
so if the secondary is looped with a cap so they are in resonance, then the cap will charge immediately, because there is no resistance?

You could charge a 9000V cap instantly with 7V input and maybe 200mA using a tesla coil or a flyback. Then if the freq is high, then the cap charges 200k times per second. That is a lot of charge going in, if the output side (trafo&inverter&mains voltage?) pulls 230V 60Hz

TheOldScientist tried to tell the viewers to try to understand. He basically says "if you can charge a capacitor to 165V with 7V 200mA input, there is a lot of charge there!"

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #122 on: July 08, 2018, 11:21:07 PM »
Please read my  answer to Hoppy up there
You can always have one physical and another  virtual ground  and.... elevation potential .
Watch my video  again please my friends
 I actually posted how to build traditional first version of TK with spark gap. I just did not point at some details .
Wesley
So are you referring to the elevated 'washing line' from tree to roadside in Kapanadze's garden green box demo as the virtual ground and elevation potential?

Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #123 on: July 09, 2018, 12:01:27 AM »
A couple of Kapanadze quotes:

Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'Green Box' video demo:
"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."

Kapanadze - at 55:05: in the 'Green Box' video demo:
Between us speaking, grounding it is not required.
Instead of grounding, it is necessary to use a small circuit.


« Last Edit: July 09, 2018, 02:13:40 AM by Void »

Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #124 on: July 09, 2018, 12:09:12 AM »
Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'Green Box' video demo:

"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."
OK. I'll take that as a tentative yes. Wishing you a safe journey.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #125 on: July 09, 2018, 01:47:28 AM »
Theorizing is good, but if you can't demonstrate it on the bench it is only ideas.
Many seeming 'good ideas' and 'explanations' can quickly fall to pieces when put to a proper bench test.
I can testify to that. :)
the green box do'dar'dit is just a copy of the don smith device !    simple !  and so obvious!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #126 on: July 09, 2018, 04:06:12 PM »
Hi Hoppy. Aye, that does seem to be a real possibility to consider with these setups.
Drilling down into this, Kapanadze mentioned that he was worried about demonstrating the Aqua 2 device during a thunderstorm. Thunderstorms are apparently quite common during the Summer months in Georgia. In an electrified and muggy atmosphere, a long aeriel wire might well produce a reasonably good charge to storage caps, which in turn could deliver a fairly steady arc across a carefully adjusted spark gap. It has been suggested that the spark gap is just eye candy but maybe the spark is an essential requirement and important clue to the operation of all Kapanadze's devices.

AlienGrey

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #127 on: July 09, 2018, 06:39:22 PM »
Hi Hoppy. I know your idea is that maybe Kapanadze uses an overhead antenna wire
of some sort, similar to what T. Henry Moray apparently did, but it really seems he doesn't. Even if you only look
at the 'green box' demo, it seems unlikely to me no one would have noticed Kapanadze or one of his helpers
trying to hook an extra wire from somewhere into the green box, when others attending were standing all around
watching closely for any attempts at tricks.  In other demos like the aquarium II demo, it was the same sort
of situation where people could inspect very closely for any external hidden wires. I personally think it is unlikely anyway.

If you have lightning strikes nearby, and you have wires connecting to the ground, it can potentially cause a surge/spike 
to travel up a ground wire, so that may possibly be what Kapanadze was concerned about.


Now lets look at at the device single HV coil L1 with low voltage pulser input L2, so how do you get a standing wave out of a Tesla coil ? think about it !
you need 2 coils one out of phase with the other or shove L2 into the middle of the L1 winding, that way you get a phase shift at the lower end and upper end
 you get current and the top you get voltage but L1 is a full wave crossing at L2 and L2 is 1/4 wave there is far more to it than that but talking to my
 self here is falling on deaf ears!

You might find this table usefull, I claim no originality for it and it is published free yet might be copy right but found no such claim.
Don Smith provides instructions for winding and using the type of air-core coils needed for a Tesla Coil.  He says:
1.
 Decide a frequency and bear in mind, the economy of the size of construction selected.  The factors are:
(a) Use radio frequency (above 20 kHz).
(b)  Use  natural  frequency,  i.e.  match  the  coil  wire  length  to  the  frequency  -  coils  have  both  capacitance  and 
inductance.
(c) Make the wire length either one qu
arter, one half of the full wavelength.

For wire lengths in metres: 
If using one quarter wavelength, then divide 75.29 by the frequency in MHz.
If using one half wavelength, then divide 150.57 by the frequency in MHz.
If using the full wavelength, then divide 304.19 by the frequency in MHz.
2.
 Choose the number of turns to be used in the coil when winding it using the wire length just calculated.  The
number  of  turns  will  be  governed  by  the  diameter  of  the  tube  on  which  the  coil  is  to  be  wound.    Remember 
that  the  ratio  of  the  number  of  turns  in  the  "L  -  1"  and  "L  -  2"  coils,  controls  the  overall  output  voltage.    For 
example, if the voltage applied the large outer coil "L - 1" is 2,400 volts and L - 1 has ten turns, then each turn
of  L  -  1  will  have  240  volts  dropped  across  it.   

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #128 on: July 10, 2018, 03:45:34 PM »
I think the following bears repeating:

In one of Akula's early video demonstrations, Akula showed that his setup
could apparently self run and power one or more bulbs without an earth ground connection
to his device.

And here are a couple of Kapanadze quotes from his 'green box' video demo:

Kapanadze - at 8:38 in the 'green box' video demo:
"Some think that the device uses stray currents.
I would argue the opposite.
It is not of travelling fields and stray currents.
There is one thing, we take the energy from the environment.
The unit is assembled on the principle of Tesla."

Kapanadze - at 55:05: in the 'green box' video demo:
"Between us speaking, grounding it is not required.
Instead of grounding, it is necessary to use a small circuit."


I think it is something worth keeping in mind anyway. :)



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2018, 12:37:05 AM »
And that small circuit would provide the reverse polarity to the other. Then you a potential. Yes?
Or would a reverse node on a single wire produce the same.

Hi Thaelin. As Wesley also suggested previously, a 'virtual ground' of some type might work as well.
This could be a length of wire which is not connected directly to ground and which is tuned for resonance
at a desired frequency. The 'small circuit' might conceivably be an LC tuning circuit when connecting to a length of wire,
or car body, or airplane body, etc (virtual ground).

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2018, 09:36:26 AM »
The 'small circuit' might conceivably be an LC tuning circuit when connecting to a length of wire,
or car body, or airplane body, etc (virtual ground).
We see an old car parked in the roadside fairly close to the aerial wire in the green box video. The camera man pans to the roadside several times as if to direct attention to it.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #131 on: July 11, 2018, 02:29:06 PM »
Earlier Void was interested in the green box, you might be interested in this posting by whatsup
Try making heads or tails of the circuit  ;D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #132 on: July 11, 2018, 08:12:35 PM »
Guys,

Will there ever be a moment when discussion about the ground connection ends?
Does it realy make a different in understanding its MO?

In my opinion i find it more interesting to talk about the quotes from Ruslan K posted by Solar lab on the 7th of July.

Some of the highligts....

".. You make the magnetic field longitudinal (pushing) and transverse, creating a flow of motion!

 Hence Tesla pushes the current, or in other words, pushes or carries the magnetic field away from the pump by a longitudinal field.

 And now make a controlled Tesla! That is, interrupt the pushing of the current at a frequency below the pump. This is the current flow!


 You need to tune in and Tesla resonate ... To get a current.

Grenades do not need to be shaken.       Still do not know why and what they do.

You blink one layer long, the other a little shorter. All with one wire. A long coil pumps a magnetic field, a short one removes it.

if there is not enough voltage, do the docks from the converter.

But the output must be filtered by HF. Otherwise, your resonance will swim away"


Greetings


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #134 on: July 13, 2018, 04:30:28 PM »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26QqUKoQpO4