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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #150 on: June 16, 2018, 03:00:06 AM »
Let me remind you that general statement was that all of Tariel Kapanadze devices
1. first electric motor  driven
2. electrostatic
3. Hydroelectric
are based on the same  principals of operation:
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Note:
a.  it is worth to note, that  capacitor does not have to have two plates but much more, and plates in between can be not connected anywhere.
b.
it is worth to note,  that capacitor can be made  from conductive but non magnetic particles such as copper or aluminum suspended in electret.
c.  it is worth to note,  that  capacitor can be made  from conductive iron  particles suspended in electret, and as such it will be acting in similar way to a ferrite but having much more charge  storage
d. it is worth to note,  that capacitor can be made from much more efficient polymers that  are mixed  with  metal particles in their  changing phase from liquid to solid   in one of ways  said above in "b" and "c"..(teflon, maylar)
    Action of such will be much more efficient than Coaxial Cable  Electrostatic  Generator. ( one of them was used by Tariel  for presentation made to me)
f. It is worth to mention similarity between Electric Field Mill and New Type of Capacitive Machine.

Note: descriptors market in "fat print" are searchable in internet.
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It is the time for another portion of information about Kapanadze device  to be mentioned.
In order for electric motor in Kapanadze assembly  to be effective we mentioned need for  short impulses powering motor and long intervals between impulses to let motor produce its own impulses due to inertia of the  shaft ( rotor)
So how do we  know that such assembly works or not?
For that wee need to go to  Electret and to Electric Field Mill
We may look  at it as :

Electret -  energy conservation http://www.keelynet.com/electret.htm
Electric Field Mill - electrical charge level  reference in V/m in vertical vector . http://a-tech.net/ElectricFieldMill/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEDdt53lj0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2-G1xPD0tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDtm-am-t0


and that takes us  to :Energy and Power Engineering, 2015,
A New Type of Capacitive Machine
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276376577_A_New_Type_of_Capacitive_Machine
it is quite fresh year 2015 .
So the machine is much  smaller then equivalent of  electric motor
quote:

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The simulation results show that the proposed machine is able to reach the same power output as the electromagnetic machines.   
It is known that around 1m up from the earth is ~ 100V - picture A   https://www.tcd.ie/Physics/study/current/undergraduate/lecture-notes/py1h01/Lecture%2013%20Electricity.pdf
per every meter  so at 10m ~1000V ( not always so!!!)
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It is not important how we make ;
-electrostatic potential
-or increase  electrostatic potential
 Any means is OK. However  we may  operate with lesser or higher  efficiency. And that might be important.
 from exotic ways to  create ,store or stimulate Electric Field and/or Electrostatic Potential Difference 

I can mention here:
- Isotopic 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SP6e0zWxOM (Radon is everywhere)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96bybrgI6V0
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge8FfWI3nn8 
this one is especially interesting it uses spark gap doped with CS-137.what this guy does not know is that  if it is placed in small  tube  it works like turbojet. Nice ionized particles .
And when you use coil and magnet to speed it up ... there you go..
all you need is potential difference for electrostatic pump and two grounds. ( well one can be capacitive)

- Ion Thruster ( questionable if not in Vacuum)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kl-vromzaQ
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVVeiL2D1E
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_apbNC8iGA  ( Static Field Meter / Ion Test Kit) cheap toy

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 To increase  voltage potential  we may use vertical vector in m/V
Look at past picture below http://www.keelynet.com/indexjan16.html

Enjoy it  for now I'm going to add more

Wesley
« Last Edit: June 16, 2018, 01:14:58 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #151 on: June 16, 2018, 09:53:58 AM »
Yes, the launch for the mass appearance on the forums of the topic of electrets was this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc4jWOKdQQc


in which a foil with perforated holes is removed from the package.
This film looks like a waste of an electret film from the production of electret microphones. I wrote on several forums several messages about electrets and their properties. It was about 10 years ago. :-\ Then the topic of electrets became popular and spread around the world. :o
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Brooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932 Nikola Tesla states: I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #152 on: June 18, 2018, 01:11:01 PM »
Probably it will be interesting. My old experiment with electret.

Someone has read that some high-voltage capacitors are sold by a shorted with external jumper. Because they, even 100% discharged, can independently accumulate a dangerous charge. But not every capacitor can do this. Most can not.
Let's create this feature of the capacitors artificially.

 We take an ordinary "old scool" capacitor. For example, from the old Soviet microwave oven, K75-15 1 ╬╝f 5000 V.
I chose this. But maybe some other one. I chose based on the fact that the capacitor should be with a combined dielectric. Dielectric - paper and plastic film. And everything is soaked in oil.
The paper does not press through when heated. Otherwise the softened plastic would be pressed and a short circuit formed.

so... let's go..
Very careful! Outdoors, not with combustible materials! Dangerous! Do not repeat!
(I drilled a small hole on the top of the condenser for the escape of gases. But I'm not sure that it's necessary. Depends on temperature.)

We take a small pan. We put the capacitor there. Place a wooden stand under the condenser so that it does not stand on the metal bottom of the pan.  Fill this small pan with oil. Sunflower or similar. We charge the capacitor with high voltage (I had 3.2 kilovolts). Leave it connected.
Heat to near the boiling point of the oil, 227 ┬░Celsius.
We are waiting for 20-30 minutes. Switch off the heating.
After 2 -3 hours, when the oil completely cools, turn off the high voltage and discharge the capacitor with a screwdriver.
It is advisable not to cook in this pan afterwards. If capacitor oil gets there, it can be very dangerous for health.
Connect the voltmeter to the capacitor through 1 gigaohm and observe how the capacitor is self-charged "from the air".
If one terminal of the capacitor is grounded, and the other is connected to a polished ball and blow it with ionized air (from Chizhevsky's chandelier) - the capacitor is charged much faster.

The capacitor charges itself to 100 - 200 volts for 20 - 40 minutes. The effect lasted about 2 weeks, gradually weakening.
Under other conditions, it can be different.

To obtain significant energy in this form is not applicable. Although, anything can be.
Scientists call it "Electrostatic Adsorption"

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #153 on: June 21, 2018, 02:37:20 PM »
Gyula thanks for the information I already have a a simple circuit to produce 1hz from 32k768 xtal it' sorting out the 9hz from it that will deserve some thought I already have a couple of LCM567.
cheers
Any way might use a cd4046 and a 4017 divide by 9 should give me the 9hz or any freq 1 to 10 or a chip that has  jam inputs not sure yet depends what bits i have.
AG
Re above harmonious frequency's that don't appear to modulate your brain and are reported to have other useful properties of use here. :D
the 11.0592mhz xtal and a CD4060 are capable of producing multiple divisions of the 432hz frequency ie 1.382026 mhz will divide by 432 = 3200.
If this is of any use to you, with out going too deep feel free.
AG

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #154 on: June 24, 2018, 10:07:33 PM »
Hi Wesley, guys,

I have been away for quite a while. Very busy with work.
Wesley thanks for posting your ideas on Kapanadze's devices.

A few comments:

It is good to have ideas, but I think most people would agree that at some point you have to put
those ideas to the test on the bench to see if they might 'hold water' or not. My approach over the years has been to take
various ideas found in forums like this and my own ideas as well and try to distill them down to the simplest test setups
I can come up with to put those ideas to actual bench tests.

Regarding some of the ideas you have been mentioning here:

Electrostatic charging of capacitors:
I have experimented with using a high voltage electrostatic voltage applied to one
plate of a HV pulse capacitor (low ESR) with the other plate of the capacitor connected to earth ground, and I
was only able to get a weak charging effect. The capacitor was 'charged' using HV discharge pulses
through a sparkgap and through a HV, high speed diode to rectify the pulses to DC, so the cap could charge.
I tried the HV diode in both orientations (cathode to ground, anode to ground) with the same very poor results.
Results: Very weak charging on the capacitor. Output power would be very tiny compared to input
power to drive the HV flyback transformer.

Using multi-plate capacitors:
I have run quite a few different tests with home-made multi-plate capacitors
at lower voltages being fed in different ways and taking off the power in different
ways and found that output power consumed by a load was always matched with a corresponding increase in input power.
Results: I was not able to find any test configuration that seemed to give more power out than in (at lower voltages).
At much higher voltages and using higher capacitance home-made multi-plate capacitors, you might see
different results, but based on my experiments with electrostatic charging of two plate HV caps mentioned above,
it doesn't look too overly promising from the point of view of my own actual bench test results.
If there is a way to get OU out of such a setup, it would seem there may be something else missing yet.


Wesley, I appreciate your efforts to share your ideas, but I find your ideas are sometimes a little too disjointed
and too cluttered with other info or comments, so sometimes hard to follow. For what it is worth, my suggestion
for people who have ideas of how Kapanadze's or others' claimed FE devices might work is
to try to condense your ideas down and make them as clear and to the point as possible.
Keep other less related comments and ideas completely separate from any specific idea you are trying to relate. :)

Then think about the simplest test setup you can try to put those clarified ideas to the test.  If you make an effort to do it
that way, I think you will find that many ideas can be put to the actual test with relatively simple test setups.
Without distilling ideas down to a basic and straight forward and practical test setup, you only have ideas. :)

Remember Kapanadze was apparently not trained at all in electronics and also apparently didn't even have
an oscilloscope, so if his devices really work then the principle behind it would seem not to be very complicated.
From what I have seen, many people seem to try to over complicate things, even though they are aware that
Kapanadze was using only a very simple setup and apparently only had simple measurement tools such as
a voltmeter/multimeter and clamp ammeters.

I understand why many people think Kapanadze's devices must be fake, as how could such a simple
setup such as Kapanadze's early electronic devices such as shown in his 2004 video demo
power five 1kW bulbs fairly brightly and also self power the driving circuitry?
(Note: the 2004 Kapanadze setup showed  that it had only one earth ground wire.)
However, Kapanadze has demoed his devices under various circumstances in front of various
different people and no one has so far reported any credible evidence of tricks that I have ever seen.

His devices could be fake, but, the island demo for one, realistically would have been very hard to fake
if the circumstances that were reported about that demo are fairly accurate. Kapanadze was said to have
been taken to a random beach on a random island by boat by some potential investors and his device
ran right there on the beach. For me anyway, although Kapanadze's or any other FE claimant's devices could be fake,
the varying conditions under which Kapanadze has demonstrated his devices over the years lends more credibility
to his claims than many other claimants, at any rate.

Wesley, the idea that Kapanadze's or Akula's seemingly similar setups could be geo-location dependent has also
occurred to me, and I have mentioned this possibility a few times in the past as well. This would mean
that if you are not in a suitable location, all your experiments on these types of setups might be pointless.
Don Smith definitely indicated strongly in at least one of his presentations that geo-location was important
for his earth grounded devices, for which some of the devices he presented were seemingly quite similar to Kapanadze's devices.
Don Smith's claims were not so credible to me however, as I am only aware of one presentation
where Don Smith put his suitcase device to the test in front of an audience, and it was a bit too short of a test
to try to draw any definite conclusions.
One thing that makes me question this geo-location dependent idea for Kapanadze's devices anyway, is Kapanadze seemed
to have no problem demonstrating his setup in Turkey, and I think someone mentioned that the island demo Kapanadze did
was in the Mediterranean area somewhere, if I remember correctly. His device apparently worked well on that island as well.
Akula's setup however, which may be related but different than Kapanadze's devices did seem to possibly be very geo-location
dependent, although Akula apparently did get his dual tesla coil device setup to self run and power one or two small
fluorescent bulbs at the same time, in Germany, according to one video that was posted to Youtube. It wasn't kW's
of output however.

Wesley, if you are interested, I will post info here on a related setup to Kapanadze's devices which I think has a lot of
similarities to Kapanadze's simple bare bones 2004 device and green box devices, and which is quite well documented,
and which I think is reasonably credible as well. Let me know...
« Last Edit: June 25, 2018, 03:10:24 AM by Void »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #155 on: June 25, 2018, 10:07:16 AM »
Good summary of the present situation Void. Please post the Kapanadze related device you mentioned.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #156 on: June 25, 2018, 02:10:00 PM »
Found this while searching an interesting lecture from Don L Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S81tQBaAsuU

watch it while it's still on !!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #157 on: June 25, 2018, 03:42:10 PM »
Good summary of the present situation Void. Please post the Kapanadze related device you mentioned.

Hi Hoppy. It's something that myself and others have posted to these forums before over the years, so it
is not new, but for some reason people seem to have not paid it too much attention. I have no idea if it might work
on the same principle as what Kapanadze is doing (assuming Kapanadze's devices are legit), but it has
the same basic components as Kapanadze's devices and uses an earth ground. It may possibly work on the same
principle, but with a bit different layout. I'll wait to see if Wesley is interested in having the info posted here in this
thread or not. It is something you have seen before Hoppy in the Daly thread, but I personally think it deserves a
much closer analysis.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2018, 02:05:23 AM »
Void

 if your waiting for a quick reply from Wesley, if you look way back in this thread I believe he stated he was doing some home land visiting, i'm sure you will find it some of his posts most interesting reading if you do some burning the mid night oil going through all the posts. If you find it I don't think working circuits of topic are a problem see his reply to Guyulasun, the only problem might be misleading Russian trolling, and heated discussions and arguments and uncalled for degradation of other's posting, was highlighted.

That said i'm sure we will all get along just fine.
Regards AG

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« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2018, 11:11:19 AM »
Did any one bother to observe or view and digest the Don L Smith film, I ask this as it is entirely relevant to our course.
If so you might be interested in the two postings below.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/fluxmg.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpendicular

I hope this all helps.

regards AG

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« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2018, 04:00:39 PM »
Hi AG. Ok on that. Yes, I have already read through the whole thread on the past weekend.
Ok, I will try to post the info tonight. I guess it should help to keep the thread going
for the time being, at any rate.  :)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #161 on: June 26, 2018, 06:47:18 PM »
Cheers Void

If any ones interested on the 'Fux' aspect of the Tesla original device D L Smith worked on.

See link https://donsmithcoils.blogspot.com/2010/06/don-l-smith-device.html

Regards AG

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« Reply #162 on: June 26, 2018, 08:07:02 PM »
Hi AG,

Okay on your comments in the Stiffler thread, thanks, and hopefully you manage to build a simple synthesizer with reasonably small components count.   8)     Have you noticed my earlier reply to you here, perhaps you did:
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg522477/#msg522477 

Gyula 

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« Reply #163 on: June 26, 2018, 10:30:16 PM »
Hi AG,

Okay on your comments in the Stiffler thread, thanks, and hopefully you manage to build a simple synthesizer with reasonably small components count.   8)     Have you noticed my earlier reply to you here, perhaps you did:

Gyula
Yes I did thanks  however I had already worked through a PCB design by then, but did think of building your design but the the MM5369 looks as if it has gone extinct by 2006 (divide by 17) as well as the 74C90's it might be possible to use a PIC F509 or similar device for the MM5369
See here
http://www.frank-buss.de/PIC100/index.html

and the 7490's a CD4518 dual decade counter that's pretty fast at 8 volts.
If i can solve those problems it would be worth making.

AG

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« Reply #164 on: June 26, 2018, 10:46:37 PM »
Well, have you checked ebay?  1 pc https://www.ebay.com/itm/263336056141 
or 5 pc https://www.ebay.com/itm/263057413867
 The 74C90 is also available at ebay, though it has become a bit pricey, search for there.

 

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