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Author Topic: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum  (Read 243029 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2018, 05:03:47 PM »
We are dealing with two grounds and if both of them have been used  at the same time or one at the time  than hidden source of energy does not make any sense.!!!
I hope you  understand it.
by  that

Wesley


No I don't. You are taking the word 'hidden' out of context. I mean that its more likely to me that the source of energy driving the green box device is hidden out of sight to those people watching the demo. That is as defined - concealled from sight: to obstruct the view of; cover up.

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« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2018, 05:18:49 PM »
No I don't. You are taking the word 'hidden' out of context. I mean that its more likely to me that the source of energy driving the green box device is hidden out of sight to those people watching the demo.
Please read my previous post again try to understand it.
I took all of your posts as reference point not only one to properly understand  it.
Please respond to my  previous post first  and mark it as answer to this particular post.
than
 respond to the my present post  and mark it as answer to this particular post.
include quotes you  disagree with

My comment in this post:
In your previous posts  I do not see wording "more likely" used by you - please point me  at that.

 Hoppy says:
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I mean that its "more likely" to me that the source of energy driving the green box device is hidden out of sight to those people watching the demo.

if this "source of  energy" was hidden  "out of sight" than it must have physical connection  but you did not see  it as well as you did not see two ground connected at the same time.
by that  my last post remains valid and worth to be answered in the manner ( format) I   provide my answer to you.



by that  quote from below  reminds  valid till it loses its validation :

<blockquote>
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Statement :
"if one part of structure is proven  not valid, the whole body stops to be valid."
The only condition  for its  existence for now is by accepting human error - but you Hoppy do not want to admit it?
</blockquote>


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2018, 05:29:27 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2018, 05:39:25 PM »

 Hoppy says:if this "source of  energy" was hidden  "out of sight" than it must have physical connection  but you did not see  it as well as you did not see two ground connected at the same time.
by that  my last post remains valid and worth to be answered in the manner ( format) I   provide my answer to you.


Wesley

I posted a clip showing what I think could be the physical connection. Can you see a telluric or aetheric connection or is it hidden.  ;) Sorry if my formatting is not to your satisfaction. Good game.

I look forward to your next tranche of sketches on the theoretical modus operandi for the Kapanadze devices.

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« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2018, 05:58:42 PM »
I posted a clip showing what I think could be the physical connection. Can you see a telluric or aetheric connection or is it hidden.  ;) Sorry if my formatting is not to your satisfaction. Good game.

I look forward to your next tranche of sketches on the theoretical modus operandi for the Kapanadze devices.

" aetheric":
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Some curious distance-phenomena connected with electric sparks were observed in 1875 by Edison (who referred them to a supposed new " aetheric force "), and confirmed by Beard, S.
This wording can be excluded  as phenomena in question have been  discarded by official science.  ( discarded: " no longer useful or desirable.")
the rest of remaining quote sounds like:
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Can you see a telluric  connection or is it hidden

However  it is difficult to respond as we are talking in two different formats I do appreciate your answer:


Yes I can see presence of telluric current in  format that was  explained by me in form of two grounds, at this particular video ( https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474  )
6V measured by clamp meter .
For these who do not understand  two ground connection please read my previous posts.
It was practically explained  in 1885 without having any theoretical knowledge of science at 2018. They just could see phenomena  and they could not explain  its nature.So they did their best ( year 1885)
that is why  picture from below  should be interpreted as:
- YES we practically see something in 1885
- Yes we know how to practically  use it in 1885
- NO  we interpret it  differently in 2018.

I  include again  picture  below

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2018, 06:19:39 PM »
[quote author=stivep link=topic=17735.msg522037#msg522037 date=1528041522Yes I can see presence of telluric current in  format that was  explained by me in form of two grounds, at this particular video ( https://youtu.be/Goq76CQapyI?t=474  )
6V measured by clamp meter .

Wesley

Hmm. A lost opportunity there by the guy to measure the current. Maybe that's why he was pulled away rather abruptly, as it could have given the game away!

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2018, 06:49:38 PM »
Guys,

Please be nice...  :)...
Don t forget we all have the same goal.

Free lunch


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2018, 07:07:56 PM »
Guys,

Please be nice...  :) ...
Don t forget we all have the same goal.

Free lunch


Greetings
Yes you right  I'm very nice to Hoppy :)
Hoppy  says :
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Hmm. A lost opportunity there by the guy to measure the current. Maybe that's why he was pulled away rather abruptly, as it could have given the game away!
You absolutely right as to the point of measurement of current.
You absolutely wrong  as to the pointing at  "game"- as water was flowing from the cold water pipe, and all of people around have had wet buts and/or standing on soil in question.
So if the sign of the voltage was the same  as the sign of the soil than the only remaining point of reference  was opposite sign  or opposite  potential  in reference.
If we  say that it was 6V than to give it 1kW it must have current drown  of 166.6A / per each  single kW/h

However if that 6V was pulsed(influenced and changed to become pulsed than simple means of transformation to 10 000V
to give it 1kW
1000W : 10 000V = 0.1A
per each kW/h

Maybe this could be understood by you Hoppy

OK I DID NOT PREVIOUSLY WANT TO SAY IT BUT YOU PUSHED ME:


We talking about 6V of telluric current and that 6V is now seen as per square meter  of soil around.All you need is  to  take square 100mX100m and calculate W/per square cm.
and now tqake the same picture in your head and picture it at three dimensions so now we are dealing with cubic cm   (
100m x 100m x 100m)
 As telluric current  does not flow in one single  wire but in all wide 3D area.

for you to better understand it I posted " funnel" maybe it will ring the bell for you 
Yes I did not want to say it but what a heck..

I'm still not violating  trust of  people whose intellectual property was given to me .
Please let me me know if you see this my dear Friend
 
OK free lunch
 
Wesley




   

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2018, 07:22:09 PM »
Wesley,

I think its a good thing to get to the bottom of what we say/suggest/mean....  all in order to contribute the facts.
This will help the proces in total due we have optimist, critics, dreamers etc.

So again,... to clear all details in order to get the true bases of how this TK setup is working ( based on the vids) this is the only way ....
Hoppy might be one of the types who challenge the "hidden battery" at all time... i do think its good to have such opinion.

At the end of the day.... we did analysed all information and all frames of the vids which is shown us from the inventors.
End,...  most important ..  at the end we all will agree (hopefully we can determine by doing research as you do) how it is discussed.

It might costs some pages here in this thread,....  but at least we did not spend as much as Nick did in his thread ;D


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2018, 07:45:29 PM »
Yes you right  I'm very nice to Hoppy :)
Hoppy  says :You absolutely right as to the point of measurement of current.
You absolutely wrong  as to the pointing at  "game"- as water was flowing from the cold water pipe, and all of people around have had wet buts and/or standing on soil in question.
So if the sign of the voltage was the same  as the sign of the soil than the only remaining point of reference  was opposite sign  or opposite  potential  in reference.
If we  say that it was 6V than to give it 1kW it must have current drown  of 166.6A / per each  single kW/h

OK free lunch
 
Wesley
 
Hi Apecore. Yes I'm being nice to Wesley on this hot and lazy Summer's afternoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8
Not necessarily, Wesley. Kapanadze would obviously not have been stupid enough to use a potentially lethal voltage but around 50V would have provided enough current to transform to a higher voltage to light the lamps at much less than their rated power as seen in the video, especially when for some time they were barely lit! We don't know the sign and we don't know that the meter was reading an accurate voltage, especially if the device was causing interference to the supply line due to HF output pulsing. The guy was not suitably equipped to take meaningful measurements, or was given the opportunity to do so. You will know that incandescent lamps can appear surprisingly bright for the real power consumed if the voltage and frequency is carefully selected, especially halogens.

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« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2018, 07:56:52 PM »
Hi Apecore. Yes I'm being nice to Wesley on this hot and lazy Summer's afternoon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXeRB-3nDR8
Not necessarily, Wesley. Kapanadze would obviously not have been stupid enough to use a potentially lethal voltage but around 50V would have provided enough current to transform to a higher voltage to light the lamps at much less than their rated power as seen in the video, especially when for some time they were barely lit! We don't know the sign and we don't know that the meter was reading an accurate voltage, especially if the device was causing interference to the supply line due to HF output pulsing. The guy was not suitably equipped to take meaningful measurements, or was given the opportunity to do so. You will know that incandescent lamps can appear surprisingly bright for the real power consumed if the voltage and frequency is carefully selected, especially halogens.
Hoppy  just please take look at  drawing I have made  for you.
UP THERE -just one post above
do you see it?

and  I added another one pointing at cubic area
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« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2018, 09:09:20 PM »

However if that 6V was pulsed(influenced and changed to become pulsed than simple means of transformation to 10 000V
to give it 1kW
1000W : 10 000V = 0.1A
per each kW/h



We talking about 6V of telluric current and that 6V is now seen as per square meter  of soil around.All you need is  to  take square 100mX100m and calculate W/per square cm.
As telluric current  does not flow in one single  wire but in all wide area.

for you to better understand it I posted " funnel" maybe it will ring the bell for you 
Yes I did not want to say it but what a heck..

I'm still not violating  trust of  people whose intellectual property was given to me .
Please let me me know if you see this my dear Friend
 
OK free lunch
 
Wesley

Yes, I do see it Wesley and certainly do not rule out telluric currents as the energy source. However, in the case of Kapanadze's green box setup, I cannot see how he could have 'farmed' enough current from his garden to produce a voltage differential beween ground electrodes of some 6V. Also, the video was indicating an AC reading if I remember correctly. I thought a telluric current voltage would be DC and likely affected by the device switching such that it would not have read accurately on the AC scale of a clamp meter? At this point in time, I do see the telluric current model as being far more likely than the energy source being aetheric but that a potential gradient does not necessarily have anything to do with 'sucking-up' telluric currents, roughly along the principle of the thermionic valve with grid being the centre capacitive plate.

Although, Kapanadze's videos have been viewed and analysed many times in the past, its been a case of - "my theory is better than yours" - attitude, resulting in little or know respectful in depth discussion to look at every possible method of operation, including faking. I therefore welcome this thread Wesley.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2018, 11:18:34 PM »
Since this is Wesley's forum  I am listing two clips form a Russian man in South Korea that is now selling the magnet generators to all for 28 K.. UNLISTED
 as to the energy it's from magnets.. will provide more later..
Accca..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=27&v=5XsjdSooSnw
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tldhi6nG2Zg
 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #88 on: June 03, 2018, 11:19:37 PM »
Tariel Kapanadze step by step   Tariel Kapanadze объяснение шаг за шагом.
 
1.The  cold water pipe run was  connected to network of street pipes
   that should be seen as contact area of every  cubic cm  of that pipe  network in 3D immersed in telluric flow.
   Трубопровод холодной воды был подключен к сети уличных труб, которые следует рассматривать как площадь контакта
   каждого кубического сантиметра этой трубопроводной сети в 3D, погруженной в теллурический поток


2. Nature of telluric current is not always uniform so clamp meter could be in AC but it was in DC.
(Well I'm also  not  dead sure.)

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #89 on: June 04, 2018, 01:10:00 AM »
I see all kind of theories discussed,fact all of kapanadze devices operate at 50hz,in some devices
theres a frequency meter showing just that.In the green box video there is missing angles to show it could be real
this opens the door to people saying its a fake.The output in the green box video  is
220v ac,it goes thru a stepdown transformer to provide a dc current to loop the device.The 5 lights
operate at 1000 watts each so 5 equals 5 kilowatts output.Every time the arc jumps a very large pulse
is induced into the coil carrying 220 ac it is mixed with this pulse,this causes a digital voltmeter to not show an ac voltage reading correctly
as is shown in the video.In addition this particular clamp meter, has a defect where it can show a fake current reading
I have a clamp meter like in the video it has this defect,I also setup an experiment to show this effect and posted this a long time ago.There is no current from the ground connection
at all.Tariel uses tricks to fake people out,he pushes its a Tesla invention because people believe Tesla is a
god,so focus on Tesla and go around in circles,its not a Tesla invention nor has anything to do with Tesla.
Tariel wants to sell the idea of a free energy device,but will never reveal the secret,because you can't sell this device
so hes video's are not meant to fully prove hes devices are real only to convince the investor its real to rob him.
For hes devices to be real the sources of the energy have to be very powerful given the large currents
powering the various loads.Could it be fake,its possible it could be fake,however,Tariel must be a genius
in faking people out,or the people viewing hes devices are dumb as shit or it could be the devices are real,but operate in a completely different manner than any known device.I'm of the opinion they operate in a completely different manner,conventional theory will not work.

 

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