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iflewmyown

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #960 on: January 08, 2019, 02:37:55 AM »
Wesley, have you seen this?
http://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/eng/patent/253765/summary.html?query=+253765&start=1&num=50&type=basic_search
Old patent to broadcast 500 kHz. signal on long antenna and receive more power back from earth.
Thanks for all your info and staying power. Don't let the trolls distract you.
Garry

stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #961 on: January 08, 2019, 06:40:27 AM »
Hi Wesley. I got those diagrams from this site:
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/images/diagram-teslas-wireless-power-system
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/images/tesla-small-scale-model-wireless-power-system-using-surface-earth-conductor
This is what that  old picture represent.
I did it  because  I was testing my new version of the program used before.
The interesting part of it is that part of inner foil ring connected to coil and capacitor is actively resonating making parallel resonance circuit.
But because rest of the same ring( the bigger part of it)  is also connected to coil and capacitor than coil and capacitor is
acting as a bridge  affecting balance between the two "halves".
This is definitely valid concept.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #962 on: January 08, 2019, 07:22:00 AM »
This is what that  old picture represent.
I did it  because  I was testing my new version of the program used before.
The interesting part of it is that part of inner foil ring connected to coil and capacitor is actively resonating making parallel resonance circuit.
But because rest of the same ring( the bigger part of it)  is also connected to coil and capacitor than coil and capacitor is
acting as a bridge  affecting balance between the two "halves".
This is definitely valid concept.
Wesley

Hi Wesley. Nice drawing. To me it looks like the outer ring is not connected to the inner ring,
but Tesla shows an electrostatic field linking the two rings. It is a very interesting setup, and quite large.
It is quite similar in some ways to what they call a magnetic loop antenna these days, but the magnetic loop
antenna doesn't have the outer ring.
All the best...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #963 on: January 08, 2019, 10:37:36 AM »
Hi Wesley. Nice drawing. To me it looks like the outer ring is not connected to the inner ring,
but Tesla shows an electrostatic field linking the two rings. It is a very interesting setup, and quite large.
It is quite similar in some ways to what they call a magnetic loop antenna these days, but the magnetic loop
antenna doesn't have the outer ring.
All the best...

there are many variations of a magnetic loop antenna. and yes also with 2 loops if you want so, and many others like made from coax with ore without matching transformer externnal ore transformation just made with 2 diffent loops sices .. depanding on the band you like to work.
How ever .. i postet some pages bevor a link about  voltage and current distribution in such struktures .. well worth to spend a little thinking about.

best regards Jo

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #964 on: January 08, 2019, 04:08:11 PM »
there are many variations of a magnetic loop antenna. and yes also with 2 loops if you want so,

Hi Jo, yes, I am familiar with the magnetic loop antenna. However, the Tesla drawing doesn't show a loop with
more than one turn, it shows the second larger outer loop not connected to the inner loop, but the inner loop
is almost as large as the outer loop. That is a little different. The drawing also indicates that the two ends of
the coil assembly are 'grounded', I believe, but they are attached to the inner loop, so not sure if that means the
inner loop is grounded or what is meant there.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #965 on: January 08, 2019, 07:02:29 PM »
#6

ONE OF ELEMENTS  FOR UNDERSTANDING ENERGY EXTRACTION from Schumann waveguide AS  WELL AS ENERGY TRANSMISSION IS POLYPHASE
 book about Tesla.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/39272.epub.images?session_id=634b29fc2d9110f7c01fa58c1797857b4b3f2327
click  on CHAPTER IV.
Modifications and Expansions of the Tesla Polyphase Systems.
Although  it  talks about generators it gives you  understanding what is polyphase.
part  of this book that interests us is
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The Inventions, Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla: With Special Reference to His Work in Polyphase Currents and High Potential Lighting
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 see drawing (below)
http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?e=d-00000-00---off-0envl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0--4----0-0-11-10-0utfZz-8-00&cl=CL1.4&d=HASHa4422b7fbbfa2350e1c317.3&gt=2
The distribution of electrical power by means of terrestrial cavity resonator modes
James F. Corum, Ph.D
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Associate Professor
Department of Electrical Engineering
West Virginia University
MORGANTOWN West Virginia 26506-6101
United States of America * now: Senior Research Scientist
Battelle Memorial Institute
505 King Avenue
COLUMBUS, Ohio 43201-2693
United States of America
The reason that I brought this article to your attention is that in 80ties  he took  work  listed  at article right below

of:

High altitude Project Tesla transmitter, Leadville, Colorado
A quarter-wave coaxial cavity as a power processing plant
Mark Nash, James Smith, Robert Craven

339 Engineering Sciences Building
West Virginia University
MORGANTOWN, West Virginia 26506
United States of America

and implemented to his patent applications. By means of patent laws known  knowledge can not be patented.
So as much as we may respect Mr.Corum he may lose his patent rights because of that the very fundamental  part of his intellectual  property.
Please read it and try to understand it




Picture #7
Resonance
The phenomenon of the resonant rise on a transmission line, and in any cavity resonator, is physically due to coherent reflection of forward and backward
traveling waves occurring at critically spaced terminating surfaces.
The occurrence of standing waves, or stationary field distributions, is common to all
resonators and is indeed the mechanism by which energy storage and voltage, current and impedance transformation are realized in distributed circuits. The simple field distributions of most cavity resonators share great qualitative, and indeed some analytic similarities with the standing waves present on
transmission line resonators.
A thorough conceptual appreciation of the phenomenon of resonant rise may be obtained from consideration of a vector
diagram representation of the incident (E1) and reflected (E2) waves on a resonant length of line. Figure 2 shows the familiar sinusoidal voltage
distribution associated with the open circuited lossless resonant line and the resulting phases of the two waves at different points in the distribution (2).
Under lossless conditions the load reflection coefficient is unity with zero phase angle and the load impedance is infinite. As a result, the incident and
reflected waves have equal magnitudes at the load, and the reflection occurs such that the resulting phases of the two waves are also the same.
As the figure demonstrates, this phenomenon yields a terminal point voltage that is the arithmetic sum of the incident and reflected components.

Wesley
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stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #966 on: January 08, 2019, 08:47:55 PM »
#7
section #7
http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?e=d-00000-00---off-0envl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0--4----0-0-11-10-0utfZz-8-00&cl=CL1.4&d=HASHa4422b7fbbfa2350e1c317.3&gt=2
go down of the page till you see pictures from below.

along the bottom of the picture 7( original picture 2) you  see sinewave.
This is how we start to create SW surface wave.
First we need  vertically polarized wave in space between  air and earth.

Figure 2. Vector Diagram representation of the incident and reflected voltage waveforms on resonant transmission lines (2)
The criteria for resonance is inherent in the spatial voltage distribution and requires the voltage maximum and minimum be separated by one quarter wavelength.
This means that regardless of the loading, the system must be, electrically, ninety degrees long.
This can be easily demonstrated with a Smith chart analysis of the capacitively loaded
 resonator.

Wesley

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stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #967 on: January 08, 2019, 08:54:43 PM »
#8
http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?e=d-00000-00---off-0envl--00-0----0-10-0---0---0direct-10---4-------0-1l--11-en-50---20-about---00-0-1-00-0--4----0-0-11-10-0utfZz-8-00&cl=CL1.4&d=HASHa4422b7fbbfa2350e1c317.3&gt=2
go down of the page till you see pictures from below.

Foreshortened Coaxial Resonator
The example presented in this paper to illustrate the coaxial cavity resonator is a discharge device where the potential for discharge is built up in a spherical capacitor.
It is appropriate to show how this capacitive load will change the operating parameters at the resonator. Numerical values presented are appropriate for the demonstration model.
The material presented comes from published work (3) and is in part the result of mutual theoretical development conducted by the authors and
Dr. F. Corum on this research project. (Some of this material will also be found in the monograph "Vacuum Tube Tesla Coils" by James F. Corum and Kenneth L. Corum).
For the capacitivly loaded transmission line, the length at resonance will be less than a quarter wavelength long due to the change in the angle of the reflection coefficient at the load end.The result of this change
is that the line is not only physically shortened but that stationary >/4 sinusoidal field distribution is effectively shortened.

Figure 3 ( is the figure first on the top)
shows the comparison between the unloaded and loaded distributions.Lumped Equivalent Example Consider the resonator shown in Fig. 4 ( is the second from the top)with its equivalent transmission line model.
The capacitance of the sphere must be calculated and the load parameters evaluated.
Figure 4. The capacitively top loaded coaxial cavity and its equivalent transmission line circuit for Smith chart analysis. The capacitance to ground of an isolated sphere is given below and may be used as a reasonable approximation for the top loaded sphere. C sphere = 4 pe o r (m) ( 8) Where r(m) = radius in meters Thus C top = 5.65 pF

Wesley
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stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #968 on: January 08, 2019, 09:41:40 PM »
#9
RF Power Processing The first individual in the literature to realize that the RF resonant systems might be used to advantage in the processing (or transformation)
of large electrical energies for engineering applications was Nikola Tesla. He first developed the "distributed helical resonator" strictly as a means of generating high
voltages and the resulting spectacular discharges for which he is famous.
He completed extensive empirical testing and optimization of this structure during the late 1890's and proposed a variety of possible applications including wireless

transmission of power and the concept of directed energy weapons.
When examining Tesla's Colorado Springs Device as a model for a power processing system four basic processes can be observed.

The conversion of power from 60 Hz to RF; the transformation by pulse modulation to high peak power and variable duty factor;
the input coupling system; and the output couple to the load,
Figure 6. These block components may be implemented by standard RF
in a variety of ways depending on the magnitude of the powers to be processed and the desired efficiency.
The blocks comprising the resonator have been developed in the preceding sections and only the source considerations remain to be considered.
Tesla implemented pulse moderation via a special breakwheel.
As the break occurs and the spark is quenched
(Tesla used a magnetic field and forced-air to quench the spark quickly).
The high voltage transformer reactance is reintroduced across the primary
tank detuning it to lower the "Q pri" and reduce the impedance which is coupled into the secondary.
The secondary, which is now free of the loading of the ringing primary, now rings at its self resonant frequency (f sec) which is identical to that of the extra coil
where the voltage (V sec) is stepped by resonant rise (VSWR). The primary capacitance (C p) is recharged during the break interval.

This pulse is  the manifestation of concentrated energy that can be pumped into the surface wave lunched in interface between  earth and air.
Not only energy in uniform form can be transferred to that earth air  interface but it can be used for :

military operations.

In place of incident,  receiver may be placed and that receiver may convert that particular impulse to..........
However that is one of many options.
Collision of two or more conflicting  surface waves exactly at 90  degrees in phase do not need anything but single piece
of conductive structure  or conductive/dielectric sandwich ,   acting as receiver .
https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=1187

That "may" be:
"piece of pipe or metal rod or structure that at given point start to resonate and acts like receiver in resonance.
By that any  structure "able to respond" can be affected by changing  frequency gradually up till critical  point  of resonance is reached.

It is unfortunate that
 "any time" activated B -
can be build along any structure  during their construction period  and years later  activated when needed.
Another application of SW  is  to  "possibly"  provide an active spying on anyone in any time and in any place right now today.


Despite  of how reliable is speculation about Tesla involvement in so called
http://www.teslasociety.com/tunguska.htm
was there is real application of surface wave in this area.



Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #969 on: January 09, 2019, 12:32:54 AM »
Hello Wesley , in small you have this concept as Tate Ambient Power Modul
and about RF conversion to electromotive force an old french invention, anno 1920 poste domini :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=FR&NR=521330A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19210709&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
Do not want to disturb

A good night wishing ( Venezuela?  Okay,  have a nice day)

OCWL

http://www.leedskalnin.com/CookElectroMagneticBattery.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecher_line
 + " knode " + Kirchhoff----------------------------------------------------
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/erich-bieramperl
http://www.sensortime.com/

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #970 on: January 09, 2019, 01:41:40 AM »
Nikola Tesla used a high speed mercury switch to enable his impulse energy. This is subsequent to the magnetic and air quenched spark gaps.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0613735.pdf


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« Reply #971 on: January 09, 2019, 04:06:55 AM »
#10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ATzLkr9JXk

https://youtu.be/ypMX2htnyWE?t=149 at the first minute of this video   anomaly is reported.
but video opens  from given time. So  you need to back.
We need to notice that  narrator is completely uneducated  in  surface wave and  the only important  in this video is his comment about Corum Bros.,
The rest of it is garbage.
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Yet this is another way to explain phenomena of surface wave to fully understand what it is.
2.  Wave localization in a random medium
at p-age 7.

Bragg scattering in a periodic medium
http://web.mit.edu/1.138j/www/material/chap-5.pdf
In this paper both  mechanical and electromagnetic phenomena obey the same principals.
Bragg resonance and Bragg scattering are the phenomena explaining creation of surface wave and surface wave interface response.
Used in military for surveillance.
In radars for pinpoint location of bigger than mechanical wave  of the ocean objects. 
Can/may  be applied to  flat paces in Arizona Texas spotting  illegal emigrants.
So the similarity to Zenneck wave is that in patent pending literature both use the same referrals.

http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/elektrik/issues/elk-10-18-3/elk-18-3-5-0912-331.pdf
Bragg resonance
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You can show that at one or several fixed frequency and fixed angle values you get a very strong reflection. That is Bragg resonance
One of applications of technology is to employ surface  waves to do "the same".
https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/hfswr

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http://web.mit.edu/redingtn/www/netadv/zenneck.html
this is easy history of Zenneck  surface wave.

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #972 on: January 09, 2019, 07:01:08 AM »
#11
 Frequency vs roughness of the terrain .

Wesley
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #973 on: January 09, 2019, 08:23:45 AM »
Sorry wesley thats all way over the fence and leads to nothing

in short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pglHXorTJlc

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« Reply #974 on: January 09, 2019, 09:26:46 AM »
Good morning! I think Kapanadze type device can work only because all electric grid "earthing" is connected with water-earth. It is stealing from that line. For good stealing of electricity we need 1. Very good buried rod to the "see level"(where thick copper mesh is laying in the water). 2. We need "resonator" tuned to 50Hz in East and 60Hz in the West. Coil is "matrjoshka type" inside/outside combined bifilar/inductor type resonant Current amplification device. All tuned to Main Frequency. 3. We need "fake" second pole. It is grounded "volga" type buried in the ground car radiator in Kapanadze video. 4. All system work in the principles of 50Hz Magnetic Field to Current type Amplification device which Magnify Magnetic field which is presented in the Water surfaces of the World. Spark/Inductor is Key to Success. Without Spark we can't realise that. 20 meters of wire is for pole's creation. In fact it is Amplifiere. Be happy!