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Void

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #930 on: January 04, 2019, 08:59:07 PM »
To get an idea about possibilities:
  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=US&NR=5590031A&KC=A&FT=D#

Hi lancaIV. That is an interesting patent. They claim their device will convert 'high frequency zero point
electromagnetic radiation energy to electrical energy', and their patent was granted (US5590031A).
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/37/c6/ba/566c00e9b0f513/US5590031.pdf
They use two dielectric spheres.

"Abstract
A system is disclosed for converting high frequency zero point electromagnetic radiation energy to electrical energy.
The system includes a pair of dielectric structures which are positioned proximal to each other and which receive incident
zero point electromagnetic radiation. The volumetric sizes of the structures are selected so that they resonate at a frequency
of the incident radiation. The volumetric sizes of the structures are also slightly different so that the secondary radiation emitted
there from at resonance interfere with each other producing a beat frequency radiation which is at a much lower frequency than
that of the incident radiation and which is amenable to conversion to electrical energy. An antenna receives the beat frequency radiation.
The beat frequency radiation from the antenna is transmitted to a converter via a conductor or waveguide and converted to electrical energy
having a desired voltage and waveform."

It is interesting, but Mr. Kapanadze does not seem to use two dielectric spheres or other such dielectric structures.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #931 on: January 04, 2019, 09:18:51 PM »
Void,  Kapanadze: Impedance matching network here
 Mead, Nachamkin: beat frequency circuit and transformer
It is to compare and to search and find the easiest way to get "common" DC or AC current.



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #932 on: January 05, 2019, 12:05:13 AM »
Thanks Wesley. The Kapanadze green box device lamp load is connected between the ground wire (running through the centre of the antenna / grenade) and one end of the antenna winding - see attached clip. This does not make sense to me in relation to the schematics you posted in your reply to me. Can you explain this please?
I'll  try.
There are  many ways to receive  surface wave.
Viziv page shows three different concepts.
Tariel Kapanadze used  at least 5 different concepts.
The common factor for all of that from Viziv and Tariel together  is the means  of tuning.
Note: I have seen  green box only  on video.

Note: second picture is  related only to that  particular concept
Word rotation means  change of angle only.
Note: original patent application  of Corum Brothers says:
about CW/CCW winding !!!!! read it you'll see it.

They knew about it.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #933 on: January 05, 2019, 12:34:57 AM »
Thanks Wesley. However, the kapanadze load is misplaced in respect to your crossed representation because the load is in series connection with the one leg of the antenna and the ground wire.
look at  picture 12a you have series  connection.
just cut out impedance matching box as if it  did not exist.You use it only if you need it.
You can do  the same with 12b
There you go
You may still call it parallel but  it is series with respect to ground
You may say there is no ground.
Than think about counterpoise.
Kapanadze concept was much more advanced but it was very unstable and highly reactive.
Kapanadze was trying to move his device only in vertical axis Y. Walking with it would ruin his show.
I did the same here with placing dielectric on the top of another.
https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=1174
and not to much.

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #934 on: January 05, 2019, 01:36:10 AM »
I decided to  make comment ,
 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4751515A/en

contra-wound
combined
= CCW/ CW = Kapanadze coil
Wesley
« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 01:48:53 PM by stivep »

lancaIV

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #935 on: January 05, 2019, 02:52:08 AM »
#2074 James Corum 1980 priority year patent to citing documents
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=4751515A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=&date=19880614&DB=&locale=
with newest 2018 entry from CPG Technologies ( not to promote only to compare 1980 knowledge with 2018 technical standart)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #936 on: January 05, 2019, 06:07:58 AM »
Yes please do it.
We may  assign his coil to one of concepts of Corum brothers.
Thank you.
By the way I did not list Daly
Look also at word: combined.
from text above.
Wesley

Hi Wesley. OK, after reviewing the pictures of Daly's coil disassembly, there was not
any special counter windings like Akula and Ruslan used that I can see. Daly did have have two
to three layers of wire for his output coil on one end of the coil form, but all the turns seems to have
been in the same direction for his output coil. He just seems to have wound it that way to be able to
fit all the turns he wanted for his output coil on there, and there was extra room at one end of the coil form
since the coax he used for the high voltage impulses didn't run the full length of his coil form.

I believe Akula first copied Daly's setup, and then made his own variations after that, of which Ruslan later copied.
I believe I see a common general approach in all these devices, and therefore I think I have the general idea of how
to try to replicate these devices. Once I finish my experiments with my current test setup not related to these devices,
I will try to do a proper replication of these type of devices based on the way I think these devices need to be configured.
If I get anything working, I will try to make a demo video. :)

I would say it is definitely still unknown where the extra energy is coming from for these devices, assuming they really work
as claimed and shown, and I am inclined to think Kapanadze may be sincere when he says he thinks the energy comes from the
'surrounding ambient environment'. In other words, I think no one is really quite sure where the actual energy is coming from, is my guess.
First a person has to get a setup of this type working, and then you can let the propeller-head physicists argue over where the energy
is really coming from. ;)


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #937 on: January 05, 2019, 10:13:17 AM »
look at  picture 12a you have series  connection.
just cut out impedance matching box as if it  did not exist.You use it only if you need it.
You can do  the same with 12b
There you go
You may still call it parallel but  it is series with respect to ground
You may say there is no ground.
Than think about counterpoise.
Kapanadze concept was much more advanced but it was very unstable and highly reactive.
Kapanadze was trying to move his device only in vertical axis Y. Walking with it would ruin his show.
I did the same here with placing dielectric on the top of another.
https://youtu.be/KLAPRNWuAn4?t=1174
and not to much.

Wesley
Yes, with 12a but not with 12b.
"You may say there is no ground."
"Than think about counterpoise."
"Walking with it would ruin his show."

So, its an inductive coupling from a TX ground coil??

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #938 on: January 05, 2019, 01:28:32 PM »
 Definition : Macro Regime and Quantum Regime ! https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=4720642A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19880119&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
 Definition : Schumann resonances !  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
 Pardon me, but let me become ( very, common ?) vulgar/" ordinaer" : Me interests a BS neither which NAME the energy to useable power spectrum has(ZPE,Vacuum,Near/Far, et cet.)   nor how the device ( at first) has to be constructed : common Tesla antenna, flat antenna,mesh/ array,   
 macro-/micro-machinery ..... !

  The first target is to reach a sustainable development aspect bewaring device which shall satisfy the first interests stage : available environmental energy conversion !
 Wesley,  yes resonance is suppressed in the grid network(as to read in the Dinnan/Meta-C papers), but begin to   
 think for example about small fluorescent bulb ballast and their ( "interference, mismatch)net grid distortion and think then bigger : industrial by 100 KW and more electric devices inertia/ inrush voltage or current phase !
 Maxwell- Wien displacement laws ! The comercial world pays for " Blindstrom/ apparent current" compensation !

 Off-grid (" island-solution) we can experiment with all physical possibilities ( caution : chance/ risk ratio ), on grid there are clearly physical and technical ( by concept) restrictions and limitations ! Which has to be respected ! By free will and law !
About Nikola Tesla : a great inventor ( honor : Physics Unit  : Tesla ) for the other side : how had been N. Tesla without the creative partnership with Charles, " Prometeus", Steinmetz ?How many " creative thinker" in the Tesla Labs saw their work later as " INVENTOR : Nicola Tesla, assigned".
                                             Loud thinking without reflex ex(s)pectation
                  "Denkmal des unbekannten Inventors" , Schweigesekunde (Minute , dafuer :P ,zu lang )
                                   DIE S(ch)AU MUSS GO ON ( or OFF)
 
Sincerely
  OCWL

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          Quantentheoretische Erweiterng 
       Boltzmann : What is a " black" what is a " white" body,  STRICT BLACK or STRICT WHITE : dB,nm,eV !
     ( what is in Quantum Physics : body)    "Ultra-Violett"- Katastrophe ,
      is to enter a " Katastrophe"- stage a need , to preserve from ?
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #939 on: January 05, 2019, 02:32:00 PM »

Hi everyone,


I am curious if kapanadze coil(maybe input coil) itself needs to emit ions during kacher interrupter off state.Akula or someone had mentioned about this few years ago but information stored became fragmented. :'(


After watching Tariel first video taken from bedroom and Akula older device.I noticed that both devices operated from high dc voltage after rectified 220volts main as provided from inverter.


It wouldn't make sense to use high voltage WIMA or microwave oven capacitor after 3 turns from yoke if we are using low voltage 12 or 24volts to power the yoke or toroid.


The last time(few years ago) I tried using rectified dc voltage from 12volts to 220volts inverter using typical pwm generator without kapanadze coil attached and found out after 3..4 turns from my large nanocrystalline toroid  produce around 210Vpp.



Base on recent experiment with div by 3 circuit prev attached-Achieving higher stable frequencies from kapanadze coil after kacher was power on did not produce any high enough voltage <30Vpp to even power up a isolated A/C to dc converter.

This is something to consider why high voltage capacitor was used in the first place.
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Screenshot attached from my old video to reveal voltage from 3turns  in which the toroid was powered by high voltage dc supply using pwm circuit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGRPKNhC_TE

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #940 on: January 05, 2019, 03:07:38 PM »
Hi Belfior.
It sounds like you are having a frustrating search finding the G. Kron article. ;)
If you can't find a copy of the article online, you can try going to
a library and see if they can find the article for you. They can check if any libraries
out there have a copy, and can possibly get a copy of the article for you if they can find the
particular publication at a library out there. A university library may be able to help you find it
if a public library can't help you. Give them the following info:
G. Kron, The frustrating search for a geometrical model of electro-dynamic networks.
Tensor (new series), 13, 111 - 128 (1963).

However, Gabriel Kron was by all indications a complete and total propeller head.
Unless you are comfortable with advanced math as applied to complex engineering topics
you may not understand much about what he wrote about in that article, but you never know.
There might be a few interesting tidbits in there that aren't expressed in complex mathematical equations.

Yeah I contacted some sites, that had other The Tensor articles and a university, that has them all. The university has all of them PAST that date, when Kron published his :(

I would like to learn tensor math and systems analysis, but I also have a life. I just want to read what Kron actually said. The other tidbits in Kron's books are pretty interesting like "Maxwell breaks down if the system is moving" and it seems to mean that you get anomalies, if the coils and other components are rotating


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #941 on: January 05, 2019, 04:25:21 PM »
I spoke about efficiency of antennas.
We do not care about Far Field We only care about reactive not radiative region,
look at picture; https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/dlattach/attach/171104/image//
At Schumann resonances (< 30 Hz), the wavelength is > 10,000 Km
Here is  small practical antenna at Schumann bandwidth.

 When series circuit is at resonance both reactive components of impedance  Xc and Xl are out of phase 180  cancel each other. the total current will be E=I*R . R never cancels .
( "phase"  is not,  to say it correctly, a property of reactance itself.) the max signal is out at that given  frequency only (+/- width of the bandwidth)
Impedance is the total opposition to AC current.  !!!! I hope it helps you F6FLT to understand it better.
Ohm’s Law for impedance as : I = E / Z–Symbolized by the letter Z (in Ohms),
includes both Resistance and Reactance (May be stated as a value and angle, i.e.100/_45o–May be stated as R + jX, i.e. 10 + j20)
Some material for F6FLT to read: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/32fb/ebcb46e2420cef0a1c5e373f4ba4c1067b39.pdf
The shortest antenna sizes used in practice are about 1/10 of a wavelength and they are poor. At Schumann resonances (< 30 Hz), the wavelength is > 10,000 Km.

Here you have below  2m long Schumann frequencies  antenna .
 Wesley
« Last Edit: March 09, 2023, 01:54:45 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #942 on: January 05, 2019, 05:01:25 PM »
ELF antenna...

These antennas have long been made by hams around the world. You can buy an industrial manufactured such antenna.
The output is very, very weak signal, cannot usable as FE/OU.


https://www.aaronia.com/products/antennas/Magnotracker-ELF-6/
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Internal Amplifier: 25dB (optional 35dB), battery powered (3-4 hours) or continuosly powered via included power supply
(25 dB - is the first preamp stage.)
Work with such an antenna is possible only with the use of several additional low noise amplifiers with a gain of 10,000 or more. And a very good filter is also needed, otherwise nothing except the background of 50 - 60 Hz can be seen.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #943 on: January 05, 2019, 06:09:45 PM »
Hi there interesting work but must have cost a lot and you must have spent a lot of time building it too.

Can I just show you an attempt I recently made to do some of Wesly's ideas to see if they work for me
I have used one of my collection of Tesla coils  8) ;D Most of them well all of them tune down to 8hz
one way or another ie 'F' of the coil / by 8 to a whole number no remainder, they all do it. this one I'm showing
here tunes at 1,386,152 Hz / 432 (8 and 9) = 3211
I have yet to rewind the top layer to 90deg  phase shift and retest with my cd4013  phase shift circuit.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2019, 09:35:01 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #944 on: January 05, 2019, 06:13:39 PM »
Ionized gas or water in a glass, distilled or not, all this is equivalent to thick iron nail for microwave.
My last experiments, a radio transparent box with highly purified, distilled and deionized water 10 mm thick of water, covers the waveguide with microwave 22 GHz 200 milliwatts completely. 200 milliwats without water little warms the skin on the fingers. With the water - absolutely nothing on output is detected by the microwave diode, 1 millivolt. The detector diode D606 (USSR) works up to 50 GHz and above.
Without water - diode rectifies 2 volts.
http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/microwave_water.html