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Offline stivep

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #90 on: June 04, 2018, 01:46:06 AM »
I see all kind of theories discussed,fact all of kapanadze devices operate at 50hz,in some devices
theres a frequency meter showing just that.In the green box video there is missing angles to show it could be real
this opens the door to people saying its a fake.The output in the green box video  is
220v ac,it goes thru a stepdown transformer to provide a dc current to loop the device.The 5 lights
operate at 1000 watts each so 5 equals 5 kilowatts output.Every time the arc jumps a very large pulse
is induced into the coil carrying 220 ac it is mixed with this pulse,this causes a digital voltmeter to not show an ac voltage reading correctly
as is shown in the video.In addition this particular clamp meter, has a defect where it can show a fake current reading
I have a clamp meter like in the video it has this defect,I also setup an experiment to show this effect and posted this a long time ago.There is no current from the ground connection
at all.Tariel uses tricks to fake people out,he pushes its a Tesla invention because people believe Tesla is a
god,so focus on Tesla and go around in circles,its not a Tesla invention nor has anything to do with Tesla.
Tariel wants to sell the idea of a free energy device,but will never reveal the secret,because you can't sell this device
so hes video's are not meant to fully prove hes devices are real only to convince the investor its real to rob him.
For hes devices to be real the sources of the energy have to be very powerful given the large currents
powering the various loads.Could it be fake,its possible it could be fake,however,Tariel must be a genius
in faking people out,or the people viewing hes devices are dumb as shit or it could be the devices are real,but operate in a completely different manner than any known device.I'm of the opinion they operate in a completely different manner,conventional theory will not work.

Nice try my friend:
did  you come to these concussions by  yourself ? - or someone paid you for it? .. no offense just asking  <grin>
explanation of word :Concussion (-Traumatic Brain Injury)


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In the green box video there is missing angles to show it could be real
this opens the door to people saying its a fake.
Statement is not substantiated  this is your rights to say it - just  your thought. (-an idea or opinion produced by thinking,)

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all of kapanadze devices operate at 50hz
You can make any frequency  and any voltage of your choice  up to your desire.
Quote
Every time the arc jumps a very large pulse
is induced into the coil carrying 220 ac it is mixed with this pulse,this causes a digital voltmeter to not show an ac voltage reading correctly
as is shown in the video
that is actually very good sign. Again you can have any voltage at any frequency you wish to have.
 
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Tariel uses tricks to fake people out,he pushes its a Tesla invention because people believe Tesla is a
god,so focus on Tesla and go around in circles,its not a Tesla invention nor has anything to do with Tesla.
Yes you would not possibly say  it about God right?
Statement is not substantiated  this is your rights to say it - just  your thought. (-an idea or opinion produced by thinking,)


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In addition this particular clamp meter, has a defect where it can show a fake current reading
I have a clamp meter like in the video it has this defect,I also setup an experiment to show this effect and posted this a long time ago.There is no current from the ground connection
at all.
Please provide me with  model of this clamp meter and picture of it in your hand .
Statement: If you  had sexual intercourse and lack of erection that does not mean that  everyone who uses the same form of protection will have the same problems as you have experienced.
True or false?
by that you can not state as a fact that Tariel  clamp meter is malfunctioned .
True or false?


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Tariel wants to sell the idea of a free energy device,but will never reveal the secret,because you can't sell this device
so hes video's are not meant to fully prove hes devices are real only to convince the investor its real to rob him.
I agree with you 100%
there is nothing wrong  to make money on anything that is your intellectual  property. Some people  who have some money  may decide to have more money-less approach.
 
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For hes devices to be real the sources of the energy have to be very powerful given the large currents
powering the various loads
1. this is not true. I see that you did not bother yourself with analysis of my material and in particular my last drawing.
2. word   "hes" that  you used and in some of your other posts you use word "bifular" coil
- question: are you from Russia or Russian origin by the chance?


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Could it be fake,its possible it could be fake,however,Tariel must be a genius
in faking people out,or the people viewing hes devices are dumb as shit or it could be the devices are real,but operate in a completely different manner than any known device.I'm of the opinion they operate in a completely different manner,conventional theory will not work.
Statement is not substantiated  this is your rights to say it - just  your thought. (-an idea or opinion produced by thinking,)

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 Your quote #8 :
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Tesla is considered by many here as a god,very sickening,
there is no proof he invented free energy of anything.
Don't you have con men in your country?

question directed  to you my friend :Don't you have con men in your country?


Summary conclusions :
All of your 243 posts  are negative rejecting comments without substantial contribution of scientific contexts
Please point me at  just one - just single one  that does it.
Isn't it interesting? why? 


Wesley

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Offline Sergh

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #91 on: June 04, 2018, 09:30:17 AM »
In the style of Wesley.  :) Boasting.

Finally I repaired it! Ancient spectrum analyzer, USSR, 1970s.
10 MHz - 40 GHz
It cost me a little money and a lot of work.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 01:15:06 PM by Sergh »

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #92 on: June 04, 2018, 10:44:00 AM »


Summary conclusions :
All of your 243 posts  are negative rejecting comments without substantial contribution of scientific contexts
Please point me at  just one - just single one  that does it.
Isn't it interesting? why? 


Wesley

Questions arising out of the previous discussions that need to be answered before facts can allow firm conclusions to be reached on the source and nature of energy used to power Kapanadze's 'Green Box' device: -
Has it been established beyond reasonable doubt: -

...that the clamp meter measured differential voltage of 6V is plausible between two grounded and similar electrodes spaced at a similar distance to that in the demo (tapped telluric current theory)?
...and that the clamp meter was fit for purpose and / or set in a mode not suited or able to accurately to measure any voltage present?
...that energy was not delivered by concealled cable from a location remote from the view of the crowd watching the demo?
...the actual energy consumed by the lamp array over the period the array was powered in KW/hrs.

Clearly, in my opinion and to date, none of these questions have been answered beyond reasonable doubt. So, maybe lets now move on to discuss and analyse the Kapanadze Aquarium 2 video footage.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #92 on: June 04, 2018, 10:44:00 AM »
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Offline cheappower2012

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #93 on: June 04, 2018, 10:53:15 AM »
In both the green box video and the 2005 video he runs a stepdown transformer
with a bridge rectifier to provide feed back to loop the device,what voltage do you think
that transformer operates at and what  frequency.

The clamp meter I have is made by the same company as the one in the green
 box video,I bought it from harbor freight a while back.In the green box video your inducing large pulses,
why do you think he can't read 220 vac in a part of the video
,because the pulses cause false triggering in the meter.
Tariel is a very smart guy he must have discovered this fake current effect and used it to
create a wild goose chase.The arc ,spark gap and the large coil serve no purpose, its to fake you out that's related to something Tesla invented.

In one video he shows a 3 phase device in it ,there's a panel
that has a frequency meter it reads 50 Hz.


A certain Canadian guy presented a theory that the green box is fake
there is missing a few angles that would show hes theory would not work
however the green box video  is missing these angles this was not an intent
but simply there not shown,so it could be a fake device based on the video shown.
Figuring where things go from a video is hard if an angle view is missing.

I'm from the USA.

People tend to idolize Tesla and almost refer to him as a deity
this causes them to make mistakes.

Everything starts out as an opinion,is something plausible, is what I ask,
does this means its completely correct no ,but it is possible.
What the voltage is and what frequency is,is important as related to the type of load used.

I don't see you provide any scientific proof,your assuming that the
measurement of the ground current was correct,and speculating on that.
Since you don't know how hes device works,your no better than anyone else.I can see that your not open to new ideas and have an ego problem
also,so this will be my first and last post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqUyJwdfVk
Two frequency meters show the output is 50 HZ
here is a jpeg of one,its a 3 phase device



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #94 on: June 04, 2018, 10:56:30 AM »
In both the green box video and the 2005 video he runs a stepdown transformer
with a bridge rectifier to provide feed back to loop the device,what voltage do you think
that transformer operates at and what  frequency.

The clamp meter I have is made by the same company as the one in the green
 box video,I bought it from harbor freight a while back.In the green box video your inducing large pulses,
why do you think he can't read 220 vac in a part of the video
,because the pulses cause false triggering in the meter.
Tariel is a very smart guy he must have discovered this fake current effect and used it to
create a wild goose chase.The arc ,spark gap and the large coil serve no purpose, its to fake you out that's related to something Tesla invented.

In one video he shows a 3 phase device in it ,there's a panel
that has a frequency meter it reads 50 Hz.


A certain Canadian guy presented a theory that the green box is fake
there is missing a few angles that would show hes theory would not work
however the green box video  is missing these angles this was not an intent
but simply there not shown,so it could be a fake device based on the video shown.
Figuring where things go from a video is hard if an angle view is missing.

I'm from the USA.

People tend to idolize Tesla and almost refer to him as a deity
this causes them to make mistakes.

Everything starts out as an opinion,is something plausible, is what I ask,
does this means its completely correct no ,but it is possible.
What the voltage is and what frequency is,is important as related to the type of load used.

I don't see you provide any scientific proof,your assuming that the
measurement of the ground current was correct,and speculating on that.
Since you don't know how hes device works,your no better than anyone else.I can see that your not open to new ideas and have an ego problem
also,so this will be my first and last post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqUyJwdfVk
Two frequency meters show the output is 50 HZ
here is a jpeg of one,its a 3 phase device



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #94 on: June 04, 2018, 10:56:30 AM »
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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #95 on: June 04, 2018, 11:25:07 AM »

A certain Canadian guy presented a theory that the green box is fake
there is missing a few angles that would show hes theory would not work
however the green box video  is missing these angles this was not an intent
but simply there not shown,so it could be a fake device based on the video shown.
Figuring where things go from a video is hard if an angle view is missing.

Hi Cheappower,
Firstly could you please delete one of the duplicated posts above.
I'm not understanding what you are saying in respect of the Canadian guys theory. Who is being referred to where you write: "that would show hes theory would not work"?

I hope by now that we all understand that we are discussing theories, not facts in respect of how Kapanadze's devices operate and are powered. I could just as easily post a tranche of sketches on how I see the green box device being faked but that would prove nothing more, or be any more viable than Wesley's sketches re his telluric current theory.



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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #96 on: June 04, 2018, 12:06:17 PM »
If you want to understand Kapanadze you must see all videos of all devices together then search for missing answers in Barbosa&Leal patents. Wesley is partially correct , it's the flow of energy which exists around us, differently explained by various inventors. Some said about telluric currents, some about atmospheric electricity (even Figuera !) some about Earth magnetic field, some about cosmic rays or strange "aetheric force".
THEY ARE COMBINED , that's why we can't find the proper theory. We have situation of multiple energy sources and effects. Add to it possibility that magnetic field is a flow of stead state energy from different space-time and you see what a mess we have to explain !

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Offline Belfior

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #97 on: June 04, 2018, 12:53:28 PM »
All is possible. Tariel can be a fake, but when you make judgements like that then you need to review all the evidence and not just the ones that prove YOUR theory.

Tariel had his secret out already in the old German news video where he was building his flywheel motor. He starts it with a battery and then it powers itself. Well people don't look at the device that is taking the battery charge. That is the whole secret.

Tariel had to demonstrate his device on an island that has no grid. I think the ground connection was poor, but he still pulls out like 3kW. He did not know the day before where they would take him, so no time to bury batteries across the island...


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #98 on: June 04, 2018, 12:54:26 PM »
Add to it possibility that magnetic field is a flow of stead state energy from different space-time and you see what a mess we have to explain !
This is good in theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism
But how to this theory solder transistors and light bulbs?  >:( It does not matter who and how, Tariel or someone else will start the topic and tell how to do it somehow.
 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #98 on: June 04, 2018, 12:54:26 PM »
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #99 on: June 04, 2018, 01:34:19 PM »
This is good in theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_electromagnetism
But how to this theory solder transistors and light bulbs?  >:( It does not matter who and how, Tariel or someone else will start the topic and tell how to do it somehow.
if that is so, look no further than a Don Smith circuit and device lay out, if what you say works for you  ;D

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #100 on: June 04, 2018, 01:37:52 PM »
All is possible. Tariel can be a fake, but when you make judgements like that then you need to review all the evidence and not just the ones that prove YOUR theory.

Tariel had his secret out already in the old German news video where he was building his flywheel motor. He starts it with a battery and then it powers itself. Well people don't look at the device that is taking the battery charge. That is the whole secret.

Tariel had to demonstrate his device on an island that has no grid. I think the ground connection was poor, but he still pulls out like 3kW. He did not know the day before where they would take him, so no time to bury batteries across the island...
yes a good point, where better to see this than in the Dally TK tread, have you tried it ?
« Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 06:07:10 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #101 on: June 04, 2018, 02:27:39 PM »
yes a good point, where better to see this than in this tread, have you tried it ?

I am building a different type of device than what Tariel/Dally have. I have so little time to experiment that I had to drop my projects down to just one :(

Then I decided to start experimenting on a device that is based on a principle that I can understand. It is easier to work with when you don't have to blindly follow schematics and you got no clue how the device actually works...

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #102 on: June 04, 2018, 03:03:14 PM »
All is possible. Tariel can be a fake, but when you make judgements like that then you need to review all the evidence and not just the ones that prove YOUR theory.

Fair comment but in this age of image manipulation and advanced magic techniques, it becomes almost impossible to separate reality from illusion. Evidence will always be suspect when sourced from videos, which is why I believe our discussions are restricted to opinions only on how and why any claimed self-runner video demo may be genuine or not. This is the purpose of these threads, to express our opinions but at the same time being careful to avoid expressing those opinions as facts.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #103 on: June 05, 2018, 07:13:49 PM »
F.Y.I.

Some more General Thoughts:

(a). A narrow HV pulse, or a series of narrow HV pulses, sets up (causes) a standing or
traveling wave in an adjacent long line; this wave is at "wave resonant" high frequency
(KHz or MHz) and is maintained by the narrow pulse(s).

(b). Additionally; the pulse generation mechanism requires an energy cost of, say, 1 unit;
and the pulse-to-long-line "influence" is very efficient (electrodynamics => no current
required, therefore little, or no, I^2*R (power) losses).

(c). A 1 unit energy cost, for example, creates a magnetic wave that might yield 0.9
energy units (90% efficient); BUT

(d). The long line is wave resonant, thus, the traveling or standing wave might/will repeat
many times (like a "ringing" bell does at it's natural resonant frequency; even though it is
struck by a hammer (pulse) only one time).

(e). Long Line quality factor, or "Q" [reactance combined with (minimal) resistive loss
determines the amount of "rings" you obtain before you need to pulse the line again.
Lets say the line has a "high Q" and we get 11 usable rings; now we have obtained a
"yield," or surplus, of 10 units - 1 unit "in" gives 11 units "out" - on it's face a gain of 10.

Just "Ball Park" figuring of course; plus this does not include, or account for, the dV/dt
pulse and other contributions.

(f). There can be lots and lots of things at play here; some unavoidable interactions will
be positive and some negative. So, in the beginning, during and in the end, maybe a little
disciplined technical analysis (intuition, experimentation and math modelling) certainly
wouldn't hurt!

(g). The small bits will add up - recall rolling a tyre down the road with a stick! Pushing
your sister on a swing! Or, better yet, pumping yourself on the swing - a little input pulse
can yield a lot of sustained output. An open-loop system and some precise timing! Just
need a battery, or a good push, to get it all started...

Energy Transfer mechanism (model): from the HFosc => LFosc [good question].

Recall; we have a 50/60Hz wave and we want to "add energy" to it using a high frequency
(pulses induced HF) wave signal. Reference: Ruslan, Kapanadze devices.

Mechanics of the Low Frequency [LF} (50Hz Osc) and High Frequency [HF] (KHz/Mhz Osc)
Energy Transfer between systems - One possibility of "How does the HF contribute
energy to the LF?"

Coupled Oscillators - Awesome Coupled Oscillators Physics Demonstration
by: NPS Physics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaQr6YOVnk

Coupled Oscillators - Energy Transfer between systems - from a math prospective.
Coupled Oscillators  by: Steve Spicklemire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZkKPtgTeA

Ultimate goal is sustained, stable, system operation!

Note: Give a person a fish and he can eat for a day; teach a person to learn how to
 fish and ... well, you know the rest...

Again, however, just a few thoughts - that and $5.00 might even get you a coffee!

FIN

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #104 on: June 05, 2018, 10:31:31 PM »
F.Y.I.

Some more General Thoughts:

(a). A narrow HV pulse, or a series of narrow HV pulses, sets up (causes) a standing or
traveling wave in an adjacent long line; this wave is at "wave resonant" high frequency
(KHz or MHz) and is maintained by the narrow pulse(s).

(b). Additionally; the pulse generation mechanism requires an energy cost of, say, 1 unit;
and the pulse-to-long-line "influence" is very efficient (electrodynamics => no current
required, therefore little, or no, I^2*R (power) losses).

(c). A 1 unit energy cost, for example, creates a magnetic wave that might yield 0.9
energy units (90% efficient); BUT

(d). The long line is wave resonant, thus, the traveling or standing wave might/will repeat
many times (like a "ringing" bell does at it's natural resonant frequency; even though it is
struck by a hammer (pulse) only one time).

(e). Long Line quality factor, or "Q" [reactance combined with (minimal) resistive loss
determines the amount of "rings" you obtain before you need to pulse the line again.
Lets say the line has a "high Q" and we get 11 usable rings; now we have obtained a
"yield," or surplus, of 10 units - 1 unit "in" gives 11 units "out" - on it's face a gain of 10.

Just "Ball Park" figuring of course; plus this does not include, or account for, the dV/dt
pulse and other contributions.

(f). There can be lots and lots of things at play here; some unavoidable interactions will
be positive and some negative. So, in the beginning, during and in the end, maybe a little
disciplined technical analysis (intuition, experimentation and math modelling) certainly
wouldn't hurt!

(g). The small bits will add up - recall rolling a tyre down the road with a stick! Pushing
your sister on a swing! Or, better yet, pumping yourself on the swing - a little input pulse
can yield a lot of sustained output. An open-loop system and some precise timing! Just
need a battery, or a good push, to get it all started...

Energy Transfer mechanism (model): from the HFosc => LFosc [good question].

Recall; we have a 50/60Hz wave and we want to "add energy" to it using a high frequency
(pulses induced HF) wave signal. Reference: Ruslan, Kapanadze devices.

Mechanics of the Low Frequency [LF} (50Hz Osc) and High Frequency [HF] (KHz/Mhz Osc)
Energy Transfer between systems - One possibility of "How does the HF contribute
energy to the LF?"

Coupled Oscillators - Awesome Coupled Oscillators Physics Demonstration
by: NPS Physics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljaQr6YOVnk

Coupled Oscillators - Energy Transfer between systems - from a math prospective.
Coupled Oscillators  by: Steve Spicklemire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_ZkKPtgTeA

Ultimate goal is sustained, stable, system operation!

Note: Give a person a fish and he can eat for a day; teach a person to learn how to
 fish and ... well, you know the rest...

Again, however, just a few thoughts - that and $5.00 might even get you a coffee!

FIN
quick answer. You are frickin' good  my friend.
As far As intellectual property is involved I can only say as much as
I'm allowed to say but when you guys get to the next  step than it is not my fault.
By that I may admit it or stay silent.
Congratulation  you have moved in to the next level .
Yes length of  ground wire is essential  or... frequency adjustment is essential.
that is why Tariel used  at first   blue label on his motor. and than  spark gap as it  has all of the components of  frequencies from Hz to GHz
The only what he was in need to do was to adjust peak  of the top of   bandwidth so  the most  efficient frequency would be at the highest amplitude  of that bandwidth
Wesley

 

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