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ramset

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #705 on: December 19, 2018, 10:17:26 PM »
Wesley

Good to read , and I agree with AG on your movie ,I suppose you know this is a tuff audience
Might be a good idea to bring some Snickers Bars... :) [inside joke between film critiques here , I've read here you don't watch TV ]

Chet
few examples below during intermission at Wesley's theater
http://www.funnyplace.org/stream/snickers-cranky-old-man-25389/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18ya0-OZ58s

 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #706 on: December 20, 2018, 12:12:21 AM »
onepowerIn the case of inductors it is well known that on the familiar B v. H chart an area represents an energy density.  What is not so well known is the fact that on a flux (Phi) v. mmf (Ni) chart an area represents energy directly.  The first image below shows the flux v. mmf chart for an inductor being charged from zero current at time t=0 to some current at t=T.  (I add those times because this whole issue arose from Gorchelin's paper and he uses those).  Clearly the inductance is a linear function of current.  The green area represents the energy now stored in the inductor, and that energy is recoverable when the inductor is discharged.  That area is a triangle and we all know that the area of a triangle is 1/2 base times height.  That is where the 1/2 comes in, and it is clearly seen the area is 1/2Li^2 where i is that final value at t=T.  Expressed mathematically that energy is given by int(Phi.di), and since in this case Phi=Li/N the integral also yields that 1/2. 

The next image is for a non-linear inductor where the core goes into saturation.  Again the green area is the stored energy and it is clear that this is not given by 1/2Li^2.  Again that energy is recoverable when the inductor is discharged.  In either case it matters not a jot how i varies with time over the charge or discharge period, it can rise or fall linearly in sawtooth fashion or non-linearly like a half cosine wave.  Again expressed mathematically that energy is given by int(Phi.di).

It is possible to get more energy out than that put in if the non-linearity changes between current rise and current fall.  For instance if during current rise we have something like the second image, then during current fall it changes to a linear fall as in the first image, then we put in the small green area and get out the large green area.  This requires some additional feature to change the flux v, mmf line.  Stearn demonstrated something in Dublin that did just that, they used toroidal coils wound onto ring cores on their stator and had magnets brought close to the cores by the rotor.  While the magnet was away from the core the flux and current build up was linear, but when the magnet got close it cross-saturated the core whence the coil flux dropped to near zero inducing voltage into a load resistor.  That produces a clockwise hysteresis loop yielding an electrical energy gain.  For this to be OU it must be shown that the differing forces on the magnet for approach and recede do not account for that energy gain.  I am not sure that Steorn ever did show that.
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Love the last paragraph.
Perhaps check out my new thread on OUR.


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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #707 on: December 20, 2018, 01:37:40 AM »
Wesley

Good to read , and I agree with AG on your movie ,I suppose you know this is a tuff audience
Might be a good idea to bring some Snickers Bars... :) [inside joke between film critiques here , I've read here you don't watch TV ]

Chet
few examples below during intermission at Wesley's theater
http://www.funnyplace.org/stream/snickers-cranky-old-man-25389/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18ya0-OZ58s
Better stuff on youtube !

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« Reply #708 on: December 20, 2018, 04:16:30 AM »

Probably not.


Just non-linearity is probably not enough to yield free energy. If you use a harmonic balance simulator to simulate a circuit based on a nonlinear parametric inductance you will find that the sum of power across the whole spectrum is always less than the total input power. 


[size=78%]All non-linear elements will generate harmonics. Unfortunately, there is a law which dictates that, in a closed nonlinear system, the sum of the normalized power of all the harmonics combined is always less than one. The only time you can get some apparent gain is when dL/di < 0 but this gain usually happens in a high order harmonic component. I just cannot remember what this law is.[/size]


[size=78%]I think, if  you want to get something really phenomenal, you'd  better focus on violating some text-book physics laws, like v>c,  open-circuit instead of closed circuit... etc, etc...[/size]

onepower In the case of inductors it is well known that on the familiar B v. H chart an area represents an energy density.  What is not so well known is the fact that on a flux (Phi) v. mmf (Ni) chart an area represents energy directly.  The first image below shows the flux v. mmf chart for an inductor being charged from zero current at time t=0 to some current at t=T.  (I add those times because this whole issue arose from Gorchelin's paper and he uses those).  Clearly the inductance is a linear function of current.  The green area represents the energy now stored in the inductor, and that energy is recoverable when the inductor is discharged.  That area is a triangle and we all know that the area of a triangle is 1/2 base times height.  That is where the 1/2 comes in, and it is clearly seen the area is 1/2Li^2 where i is that final value at t=T.  Expressed mathematically that energy is given by int(Phi.di), and since in this case Phi=Li/N the integral also yields that 1/2. 

The next image is for a non-linear inductor where the core goes into saturation.  Again the green area is the stored energy and it is clear that this is not given by 1/2Li^2.  Again that energy is recoverable when the inductor is discharged.  In either case it matters not a jot how i varies with time over the charge or discharge period, it can rise or fall linearly in sawtooth fashion or non-linearly like a half cosine wave.  Again expressed mathematically that energy is given by int(Phi.di).

It is possible to get more energy out than that put in if the non-linearity changes between current rise and current fall.  For instance if during current rise we have something like the second image, then during current fall it changes to a linear fall as in the first image, then we put in the small green area and get out the large green area.  This requires some additional feature to change the flux v, mmf line.  Stearn demonstrated something in Dublin that did just that, they used toroidal coils wound onto ring cores on their stator and had magnets brought close to the cores by the rotor.  While the magnet was away from the core the flux and current build up was linear, but when the magnet got close it cross-saturated the core whence the coil flux dropped to near zero inducing voltage into a load resistor.  That produces a clockwise hysteresis loop yielding an electrical energy gain.  For this to be OU it must be shown that the differing forces on the magnet for approach and recede do not account for that energy gain.  I am not sure that Steorn ever did show that.
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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #709 on: December 20, 2018, 07:59:19 AM »

WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS ALL ABOUT ?

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/06/27/nikola-tesla-fbi/

Chet never mind Marathon bars here is a clue is she really singing sail away or something else |?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zkjQVh5KmQ

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« Reply #710 on: December 20, 2018, 11:34:59 AM »
...
What if you form a changing electric field before the charge carriers move? There will be voltage induced, but no energy lost

How do you change an electric field without moving charges?

You have to move the charges of the source of this field, and this displacement will influence other charges which will form the induced current.

19th century electromagnetism is a simplification, very practical for engineering, but using concepts that do not directly correspond to elements of reality (such as a "flux").

There are only charges surrounded by their coulomb field, and only one force, the coulomb force f=q1.q2/(4.π.ϵ0.r²).
For convenience we say that the charge q2 creates a field E=q2/4.π.ϵ0.r², and that a charge q1 in this field is subjected to a force F=q1.E.
From these two only elements of reality that must be considered, the charge with its field, and the coulomb force, everything else results directly, through the play of movements as described by relativity. Only relativity explains electromagnetism without ambiguity or paradoxes.

In 19th century electromagnetism, we have the Lorentz force F=q.vxB that deflects a charge moving in a magnetic field. But from the point of view of the charge in its proper referential, v=0 so there is no Lorentz force. The charge only sees an electric field, this field being E=vxB, which is the result I was talking about, related to the relativistic effect of velocity on the charge's electric field: when a charge moves, its coulomb field compresses in the direction of travel and extends transversely. This is a consequence of length contraction. Transverse reinforcement is what we see as a "magnetic field".

The magnetic field is the Lorentz transform of the electric field, and vice versa. It's the same physical reality, seen from different points of view because of relative movements. Take one and you see an electric field, the coulomb field, take another and you see what you call a magnetic field which is the coulomb field deformed by the speed.
The interplay of forces between the charges is only that of Coulomb's forces, taking into account the relativistic effects on the electric field as soon as charges move, and possibly the delay of mutual influence related to time needed for a field to be built.
The charges act in the same way on each other, whether they are on the source side or the destination side and the reciprocity prevents an action without reaction. Sorry, not the right way for free energy, we have to be much more smarter!  ???

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #711 on: December 20, 2018, 02:11:05 PM »
 AG..Quote
WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS IS ALL ABOUT ?

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/06/27/nikola-tesla-fbi/

Chet never mind Marathon bars here is a clue is she really singing sail away or something else |?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zkjQVh5KmQ
end quote
Well not certain about the Tesla Link but the ENYA song my favorite and sailing my passion...and here at the 9 min 30 sec  Mark is sailing OU IMO a sailboat sailing 30 MPH for thousands of miles in no wind [just ...Gravity Flow?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9-QQx_JynU&feature=youtu.be&t=560

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and also during intermission at Wesley's theater ,I see the one glove Challenge by TinMan to Smudge  above ...on another possible impossibility ??
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3684.msg70549;topicseen#msg70549


 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #712 on: December 20, 2018, 02:41:50 PM »

Hi Everyone,

Before commencing discussion.Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in advance.
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2 Songs I would like to delicate just once this year-
One for Russian comrade/member whom indirectly assisted to translate some of the important Akula speech some time ago.This which I have previously attached in a another kapanadze topic some time ago.

Николай Емелин - Рукава
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPRIlt1MOKw

Another song for rest of the Audience.
Hozier - Take Me To Church (Dj Mike Radio Edit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh0J3xRPe40

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Now back to topic

I need to relay this to some audience whom are researcher or maybe a book worm.

A very important but easy to read article related to Electrical power-
Knowledge of Power is Power

https://www.egauge.net/blog/2015/09/30/knowledge-about-power/

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I  would need any member to advise me if the ions emitted by tesla coil is considered diamagnetic or paramagnetic.Any Tesla setup for specific ion output?

Kindly explain some details as mention above which will assist me to understand certain experiment which I have limited knowledge on what i am dealing with.


Then I can proceed to reveal some more findings  related to Akula Kapanadze coil. :o 
If I am satisfied with the explanation.

ramset

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« Reply #713 on: December 20, 2018, 07:57:50 PM »
sorry to interrupt Magpwr important question ,But I have been trying to get this Link to work ..The work of Andrey Melnichenko discussion and observations ,if tests show promise a topic will be started here.these claims have been made for many many years ...trying to see why its taking so long [if provable]

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3683.msg70540;topicseen#msg70540
 

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« Reply #714 on: December 21, 2018, 02:57:23 AM »
Hi magpwr,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuR3TPcf7f8
Might help a bit - paramagnetic Cu... 

https://chem.libretexts.org/LibreTexts/Mount_Royal_University/Chem_1201/Unit_2._Periodic_Properties_of_the_Elements/2.07%3A_Magnetic_Properties_of_Atoms_and_Ions 

http://periodictable.com/Properties/A/MagneticType.html

  Looks like Cu = paramagnetic  [copper metal] (somewhat affected by magnetic field)   
   and   Cu+ = diamagnetic   [copper ion] (not affected by magnetic field) {some theories}.

If the ion(1) is in "Air" (70% Nitrogen [paramagnetic] and 30% Oxygen [diamagnetic] 
or an electron particle {or energy wave} moving through the Air [?], or vacuum (CRT) [?].
(1) Ion is basically an atom or molecule where the number of electrons does not equal the total number of protrons, 
      yielding a positive or negative charge.

Example: Magnetic field (yoke) action on an electron beam (fast ion stream from hot cathode) directs the charged
electrons to a "pixel" location on a CRT's inner phosphor face. The released energy lights up the pixel.

Magnetic fields steer or deflect the electron beam but do not affect the electron speed, the HV [grid] does that.

[ ??? I could be wrong] It's a complex process at this detailed level and there are conflicting theories to pick from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENgdSF8ppA 

Lots of "stuff" to ponder and sort out!



 
« Last Edit: December 21, 2018, 07:08:16 AM by SolarLab »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #715 on: December 21, 2018, 01:21:06 PM »
sorry to interrupt Magpwr important question ,But I have been trying to get this Link to work ..The work of Andrey Melnichenko discussion and observations ,if tests show promise a topic will be started here.these claims have been made for many many years ...trying to see why its taking so long [if provable]

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3683.msg70540;topicseen#msg70540



hi ramset,


I have read the article in pdf.I realized that this experiment is somewhat similar to what Akula have shown in his channel some time ago with 2 bulbs.


For simplicity I have attached Akula and the Transgender circuit for everyone to see.


In Akula video what I can recall is the bulb located on the left side of the circuit would dim but the bulb to the right would be brighter.
I have actually tested(In virtual circuit) the interesting part of Akula circuit which the nanosecond pulse generator around 5ns was actually created by 2 transistor connected in series to the gate of IRF840.

This was found to be around 5ns in the virtual settings once it hit the breakdown voltage. This is nicely done with minimal trigger circuit.
This is activated by the sine or square wave fed to the transformer(top) input.In circuit is shown as not connected to anything.

I merely associate these 2 circuits which does the same thing with bulbs but design differently.In Akula circuit the bulb to the left side of the circuit if dim would represent as low current passing through.
I have not dug deeper into it maybe because of other project distraction.But it's definitely worth the time to experiment with one of the 2 mentioned circuit.

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« Reply #716 on: December 21, 2018, 01:32:41 PM »
All this talk about E field not being possible with the H field. So can I create a static electric field and then feed that into a capacitor and if I can't, what might be the reason?

What is stopping me using a Kelvin water dropper to charge a cap?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

tinman

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #717 on: December 21, 2018, 01:47:54 PM »
All this talk about E field not being possible with the H field. So can I create a static electric field and then feed that into a capacitor and if I can't, what might be the reason?

What is stopping me using a Kelvin water dropper to charge a cap?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

You can charge a cap with a static field,but as soon as the charges in that static field start to move into the cap,it is no longer a static field.
And when charges start to move or vary in time,a magnetic field then also exists.

Yes,you could charge a cap with a kelvin water dropper,and also with the likes of a peltier module.
But as a cap requires current flow to charge,a magnetic field is formed as soon as current starts to flow.

One question to ask would be this-- when you take a plastic comb,brush it through your hair,and then find that a small piece of paper is attracted to the comb,when the piece of paper was heading toward the comb,did any current flow?,and was a magnetic field also produced?.

The same can be asked when two opposite poles of two magnets are attracted to each other.
We know that a magnetic field already exists,but when the two unlike poles are pulled together,was there any flow of current,and did an electric field exist at that point in time?


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« Reply #718 on: December 21, 2018, 04:40:36 PM »
Hi magpwr,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuR3TPcf7f8
Might help a bit - paramagnetic Cu... 

https://chem.libretexts.org/LibreTexts/Mount_Royal_University/Chem_1201/Unit_2._Periodic_Properties_of_the_Elements/2.07%3A_Magnetic_Properties_of_Atoms_and_Ions 

http://periodictable.com/Properties/A/MagneticType.html

  Looks like Cu = paramagnetic  [copper metal] (somewhat affected by magnetic field)   
   and   Cu+ = diamagnetic   [copper ion] (not affected by magnetic field) {some theories}.

If the ion(1) is in "Air" (70% Nitrogen [paramagnetic] and 30% Oxygen [diamagnetic] 
or an electron particle {or energy wave} moving through the Air [?], or vacuum (CRT) [?].
(1) Ion is basically an atom or molecule where the number of electrons does not equal the total number of protrons, 
      yielding a positive or negative charge.

Example: Magnetic field (yoke) action on an electron beam (fast ion stream from hot cathode) directs the charged
electrons to a "pixel" location on a CRT's inner phosphor face. The released energy lights up the pixel.

Magnetic fields steer or deflect the electron beam but do not affect the electron speed, the HV [grid] does that.

[ ??? I could be wrong] It's a complex process at this detailed level and there are conflicting theories to pick from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENgdSF8ppA 

Lots of "stuff" to ponder and sort out!
hi SolarLab,
I appreciate the effort made for trying to explain ion to me.It is not a easy thing to fully understand. :)
Since you have brought up CRT which i had read sometime back but forgotten something valuable.
Related to display-HV in crt apart from charging the high voltage plates at the back of crt and accelerates Electron beam.


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Going back to nature-

In nature  "ionization" plays a crucial role in tropospheric "cloud formation"
No lightning(HV) can be produced without clouds


Ions->HV
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Related to bench experiment-
Need to do the reverse from nature.

Generate HV from tesla coil.

Using HV to generate ions (Likely paramagnetic ions.Wild guess for now) to alter the NMR of Cu.

HV->Ions

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« Reply #719 on: December 21, 2018, 04:41:14 PM »
Why bother with that snail form of charge, It's antique junk  ;D A plasma ball would be a much quicker if your really that desperate and you could try to cover the ball in a silver paper ;D to collect the ions but you might need some diodes and high voltage caps as well.

BUT BE AWARE CHARGING A CAP WITH STATIC IS NOT 'SCALAR' BUT IT CAN STILL KILL YOU AND IF YOU USE AN EARTH IT WILL BE MORE LETHAL.

Ps note some countries label mobile phones as GRADE 2 CARCINOGENIC  ;D ;D DUE TO THE MICROWAVE OUTPUT have you tried seeing if thats a form of  scalar?