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d3x0r:
Hi :)
I know this is a little out of your wheelhouse - so to speak... but was wondering what you thought of this idea...
(PDF attached of patent, next message has links to patents on web)
https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/msg521687/#msg521687


Unfortunately the original videos are no longer available.... The difference between patent and Pierre's device is DZ Generator uses manual switching instead of external phases...



stivep:

--- Quote ---0006. In present electric generators a small amount of energy normally less than 1% of the outgoing power in big generators is used to excite the mechanically rotated electromagnetic poles that will induce voltages and currents in conductors having a relative speed of movement between them and polar masses.

Quotes:  from Patent application:
0007. The rest of the energy used in the process of obtaining electricity is needed to move the masses and to overcome the losses of the system: mechanical losses, friction losses, airgap losses, hysteresis losses, all of which in conjunction, are responsible for the excess in power input (mechanical power) required to generate always smaller amount of electrical power.

0009. In the continues electrical generator there is no mechanical losses friction losses brushes losses windinage losses: Armature reaction losses, or air gap losses, because there is not any movement of any kind. There are:
synchronous reactance losses, eddy current losses, and hysteresis losses, which are inherent to the design, construction and the materials of the generator, but in the same extend us in common generators
--- End quote ---
So here we have few quotes from PDF patent application as of September 11, 2003 publication number US2003/0168921 A1 by Molina Martinez.
In other words we dealing with stationary arrangement of physical motion and no rotation.


--- Quote ---0010
1% or less of total energy produced by present electric generators, goes to create their own magnetic field, a mechanical energy that exceeds the total output of present generators is used to make them rotate into process of extracting electrical currents from them.
In the continuous electrical generator there is no need for movement since, the field is in fact already rotating electromagnetically, so all of that mechanical energy will not be needed, under similar conditions of exciting currents, core mass, and windings design,
the continues electrical generator, is significantly more efficient than present generators, which also means that it can produce significantly more than the energy it needs to operate. The continues electrical generator can feedback the system, the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely
--- End quote ---

So even seen here that main reason why the application was rejected was that statement
"the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely"
in this application sounds like contradicting with laws of reciprocity,
By that that application was a sign to perpetual motion group of machines by patent office.

In 0011  we have interesting statement:

--- Quote ---quote:
"continuous electrical generator, may excite its own electromagnetic field with a minimum part of electrical energy produced'
--- End quote ---

this statement is an indication of concept used by Tariel Kapanadze . Where device produce enough of electrical energy to run itself and by means of self looping deliver part of that energy back to power the same device by itself.
And that of course is not acceptable by means of United States patent office. It is also contradicting the general thinking of most of physicists if not all of them.

But interesting point I could make here:
not always all of the factors are immediately visible.
My friend is science Dr. Roy likes to say.
"Only the magician knows his tricks."
that does not mean that automatically all tricks are not scientifically valid.
====================================================
by means of science:
energy delivered as well as energy used for conversion, must be bigger than energy left over after conversion is done, or after energy is consumed

So in this topic I specifically pointed at phenomena that could only be explained
 if we have two sources of energy:
1 – energy useful conversion. This energy can be:  Telluric Current
2 – energy that takes this  Telluric Current and pump it into your device connected to the load for example lightbulb
but still will be able to reroute part of that energy back to the power terminals of your device and power it's electronic components.
And of course there is a need for our own initial energy just to be able to start the device and it is usually 12 V battery.

The general concept of any electrostatic concept device is to deliver some of our own energy at first
use this energy to power the device and then disconnected so that device then connected to the ground would be able to power itself and power the load connected to it.

And of course even if you make it work nobody would believe in it and everybody would think that this is just a magician trick.
Just because I happen to be able to witness by myself such devices and be sure that this is not a trick I am here with you and I'm sharing my knowledge.

Please understand that I'm on the ground of classical approach and I am in no way are going to be a rebelliant .
There is no free lunch and nobody is going to give anything for free.
Everything that sounds to be for free it is actually salesperson trick for you to be obligated to pay for it many times more than its original value.

But it is proven that we can use energy of sun, energy of wind, energy of river flow, energy or friction, thermal energy, and plenty of other forms of energy that doesn't have to be paid for.


This is all for now and this is not the end, this is just the beginning,

Wesley

d3x0r:

--- Quote from: stivep on May 27, 2018, 05:14:52 AM ---So even seen here that main reason why the application was rejected was that statement
"the temporary source may be disconnected and the generator will run indefinitely"
in this application sounds like contradicting with laws of reciprocity,
By that that application was a sign to perpetual motion group of machines by patent office.


--- End quote ---
Indeed; on the google site it had it classified perpetum mobile (something)
the uspto.gov website is kinda crap; and would only return the first page of the rejection letter.  I really wanted to see how they would word that in a rejection.  So 'Abandoned' is really rejected; although it looks like a failure to respond to office action is what caused rejection.


Edit;
an anology; if you have a rubber baloon filled with a pressure, and had a means to install a valve, and apply a pressue to the valve to cause it to open.... (you give it a 12V jolt) and then there's a release of usable pressure.  The valve could have a fan -generator attached....

stivep:

--- Quote from: d3x0r on May 27, 2018, 05:19:19 AM ---Indeed; on the google site it had it classified perpetum mobile (something)
the uspto.gov website is kinda crap; and would only return the first page of the rejection letter.  I really wanted to see how they would word that in a rejection.  So 'Abandoned' is really rejected; although it looks like a failure to respond to office action is what caused rejection.


Edit;
an anology; if you have a rubber baloon filled with a pressure, and had a means to install a valve, and apply a pressue to the valve to cause it to open.... (you give it a 12V jolt) and then there's a release of usable pressure.  The valve could have a fan -generator attached....

--- End quote ---
Yes that is true.
Wesley

stivep:
Molina-Martinez main text body
Wesley

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