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Offline kolbacict

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3510 on: November 15, 2021, 12:45:31 PM »
Why, when a hot and cold body (heater and refrigerator) is separated in space, the heat engine works. All cycles, from Carnot to Stirling.
And when they are spaced apart in time, it does not work? Cool down the body, after
for some time it heats up from the environment. Time is also called the fourth
measurement.   ;)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3511 on: November 17, 2021, 08:32:01 AM »
https://kiwibyrd.org/2017/08/11/178/
Is it true that it says that the microphone can hear sounds that the ear cannot hear?
Why can't I do it?

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3512 on: November 20, 2021, 02:14:47 AM »
Why, when a hot and cold body (heater and refrigerator) is separated in space, the heat engine works. All cycles, from Carnot to Stirling.
And when they are spaced apart in time, it does not work? Cool down the body, after
for some time it heats up from the environment. Time is also called the fourth
measurement.   ;)
According to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, heat will always flow spontaneously from hot to cold, and never the other way around.
A refrigerator causes heat to flow from cold to hot by inputting work, which cools the space inside the refrigerator.
that involves Time and controlled Space at the same  time.
Trying to separate it  is like separating  combustion engine from the fuel vapor in the process of igniting by the time of 1 spark.
Space is there but right  Time is not as at another  spark  the piston  is  in wrong position.
Wesley

 

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3513 on: November 20, 2021, 03:15:05 AM »
https://kiwibyrd.org/2017/08/11/178/
Is it true that it says that the microphone can hear sounds that the ear cannot hear?
Why can't I do it?



 technology BackDoor,
обычные микрофоны слышат хорошо
формируют частоту и фазу звуковых сигналов, которые воспроизводятся через ультразвуковые громкоговорители-спикеры.
«БэкДор» выдает на выходе два тона с частотами 40 кГц и 50 кГц.
усиливаются, , перемножаются – из-за фундаментальных нелинейностей в данной системе.
(f1 – f2) и (f1 + f2).
(f1 – f2) означает 10 килогерц,  лежит в рабочем диапазоне частот микрофона,
такой сигнал проходит без изменений через фильтр низких частот
как обычный «полезный» звук.
происходит порождение своеобразной низкочастотной «тени» в слышимом диапазоне.
в системе BackDoor имеется возможность и для передачи информации по этому каналу.
можно
иx модулировать
а затем демодулировать
с помощью неслышного ультразвука похищать информацию из изолированных систем, не имеющих сетевых средств коммуникаций


Ok. I went along  entire article.
It starts interesting,
After that drifts into parapsychology,  UFO,   Russian pride, and  all other  kind of nonsense.
The Technology Back Door can be characterized as utilization  of longitudinal sound wave in  the spectral range  from 20kHz Up and its nonlinearity
Human can  process  . ( 20Hz- 20kHz ) sound.
Possible applications is  ultrasound communication, automation, remote controll  and and  spying.
Authors proposed addition  and subtraction    of sub auditable sounds and  down converting  the difference into   auditable sounds.
All the rest of that Russian  text is  not important .. just B.S.
Ultrasonic transmitters and receivers are mechanical  devices.
and it is normal to them to  hear that what we cant  hear.
Good analog microphones works up to 100kHz.
Wesley
« Last Edit: November 20, 2021, 01:05:30 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3514 on: November 20, 2021, 08:34:36 AM »
I used two dynamic heads, type 6gdv.
The frequency was fed to one 20 kHz, to the second 21 kHz.
Sound was received by the device ВШВ003
For some reason, I did not hear a sound at 1 kHz.

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3515 on: November 20, 2021, 12:55:07 PM »
I used two dynamic heads, type 6gdv.
The frequency was fed to one 20 kHz, to the second 21 kHz.
Sound was received by the device ВШВ003
For some reason, I did not hear a sound at 1 kHz.
Dear   kolbacist.
For some reason you can't have 6 hands and 4 eyes. but some other living organisms  can.
and  bats operates and communicate at ultrasound frequencies.

Humans can hear from 20 Hz to 20 kHz.
Anything higher is called ultrasound or ultrasonic sound.
The reason that bats use ultrasound is because it has such a high frequency and it has a low diffraction or it bends less.
They use this sound to do a couple of things like to catch their prey and also just to get around.
https://hypertextbook.com/facts/1998/JuanCancel.shtml#:~:text=Humans

Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3516 on: November 20, 2021, 02:33:31 PM »
https://kiwibyrd.org/2017/08/11/178/
Is it true that it says that the microphone can hear sounds that the ear cannot hear?
Why can't I do it?

I'm focused on  particle physics and yesterday  with some American scientists
we were  looking at yet another electron microscope  of mine.

I got from my pocket,  lottery ticket.
" if I win I will buy you ( ( intention + obligation) the electron microscope of your choice." - I said
( they cost ~ quarter of million and up)
 
Words:
straight + reversal action = x ( equation)
if x = wining  lottery. (condition and outcome)
straight  = intention (component)
 reversal = obligation(component)

So let's say you won the lotto.
You may  simply forget about your intentions and obligations.
But if x the condition to win was the mandatory requirement  to be fulfilled by your intentions and obligations
than everybody will go for it to get x.

spending two dollars for a ticket  is not much  but it can make you  rich.
spending my time  to write is not much but it can make you rich
but expecting from you to buy me an electron microscope  in  your  own act of thankfulness is foolish  if I do it without formulating
my  conditions  in form of intentions and obligations.


I hope some of you  understood  what I wanted to say.
The difference between some of you and me is that
 I'm foolish .

And that is why I'm here.
And yes.. I can afford  the cost of computer, internet, energy and time spend on  writing here.
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The scientist said:
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identification and  presence of micro-plastic in environment as a pollution and its  properties , is not yet regulated by FDA  and US government.
they don't have method  yet.. they don't have rules, they don't have standards.

I responded:
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-John you  just made me to win the lotto, the big money ... so you  can take this winning back from me - is yours now.
where it is...  the money ... the winning.. where is it?   
he asked....
I responded:
in ultrasound  and resonance... of particles...exposed to  longitudinal sound wave

So why you don't do it yourself, take all pride, fame, money ... he asked.
I responded:
I'm minimalist in life and that is what these Russians didn't know and understand when they were poisoning me and Tariel Kapanadze
So my wining e.g  in  Dr Corum energy transfer and my own  energy extraction from Schumann waveguide  may be their loss.
 the bigger is their loss the more  I may feel satisfied with winning.

The summary : 
one word can make you rich . wealthy ... ugly wealthy..
this word  = idea, and you process it based on your knowledge=x and x is money

The scientist didn't know that he is giving me the idea .
When I'm writing to you I don't know  if  or when I'm giving you the idea.
 but  if you know what I  meant about  micro plastic  and its problems than you are the winner.



Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3517 on: November 20, 2021, 04:35:45 PM »
I used two dynamic heads, type 6gdv.
The frequency was fed to one 20 kHz, to the second 21 kHz.
Sound was received by the device ВШВ003
For some reason, I did not hear a sound at 1 kHz.
Of course  you can't hear it.
the difference between 20kHz and 21kHz is 1kHz but  frequency  of this 1kHz is still  in bandwidth your hearing  is not.
You may  down-convert it  to  any range between 20Hz to 20kHz or subtract in the mixer these two frequencies ,
this is how superheterodine works in radio
and than you'll hear it. But you can see this 1kHz at your
oscilloscope connected to your microphone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superheterodyne_receiver

Hint:
1. think how particle in air( micro-plastic) can hear  and react with  a particular frequency of sound wave= longitudinal  mechanical  wave in resonance.
2. think how size , weight,  and  density of particle is differentiated  when exposed  to longitudinal  mechanical  wave in resonance.
- process it  in your brain and you are the winner.
-look in my previous  post what I meant by word winner.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3518 on: November 20, 2021, 05:14:05 PM »
To jak masz dwa mikroskopy elektronowe to jednym możesz produkować układy scalone metodą litografii bez-maskowej (maskless lithography) a dokładniej "Electron-beam lithography".

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3519 on: November 20, 2021, 07:19:03 PM »
 What(Who) is it ?
a drunkard lie under your table? :)
The second picture is already gone ...

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Of course  you can't hear it.
the difference between 20kHz and 21kHz is 1kHz but  frequency  of this 1kHz is still  in bandwidth your hearing  is not.
And why are there no beats in the air in the room between these frequencies?
With a difference frequency of 1 kHz?
Why, in an electrical circuit, this happens when two electrical signals are mixed, but not in the case of acoustic waves?

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To jak masz dwa mikroskopy elektronowe to jednym możesz produkować układy scalone metodą litografii bez-maskowej (maskless lithography) a dokładniej "Electron-beam lithography".
You can do both at once. ;)

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3520 on: November 20, 2021, 10:22:04 PM »
What(Who) is it ?
a drunkard lie under your table? :)
The second picture is already gone ...
humoristic: use of two words that when spoken sounds the same but    when written the are different.
difference-between-lay-and-lie https://askanydifference.com/difference-between-lay-and-lie/

I'm not sure what you are alluding to? :)
are you questioning that we have not  one but two LEO 435VP?
We have  two units of  LEO 435 VP and in addition to it  we actually have the third one too, but is not working at the moment. :)

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One uses Liquid  nitrogen and the other is not.
the two pictures from the comment on the top that shows the same very microscope in the same very room.
One of the pictures shows slightly  separated main unit from its electronics and my jacket on the floor.
so I can lie down while checking connections. :)pictures: LEO 435 VP and  LEO 435 VE shows the same unit.
and nothing is gone.
https://overunity.com/17735/wesleys-kapanadze-and-other-fe-discussion-forum/msg561594/#msg561594
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so where is the lie? :) lye ? :)

Below this comment  you have set of  two pictures of  my two different working units.
The  LEO 435VP  on the second picture  named  LEO 435 unit# 2 is in different room and it has  Liquid nitrogen dewar on it.

Scanning electron microscope (SEM)
Resolution: 4 nm
Computer controlled stage: 5-Axis
Specimen chamber.
EDXRF or EDS  Energy Dispersive X-ray  Spectroscopy.
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Energy dispersive X-ray spectroscopy (EDS or EDX) is a chemical microanalysis technique used in conjunction with SEM.
The EDS technique detects X-rays emitted from the sample during bombardment by an electron beam to characterize the
elemental composition of the analyzed volume. Features or phases as small as 1 µm or less can be analyzed.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/energy-dispersive-x-ray-spectroscopy
some helpful videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdpXFcf_La0&t=926s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJGZJa3cZg&t=164s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlXEP5yONA0&t=20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBu9Xzc1TgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOPS2AAUwOU





I used it also to analyze ferrite composition from Russian  TV Rubin used in number of  FE experiments.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3521 on: November 20, 2021, 10:55:36 PM »
And why are there no beats in the air in the room between these frequencies?
With a difference frequency of 1 kHz?
Why, in an electrical circuit, this happens when two electrical signals are mixed, but not in the case of acoustic waves?
You can do both at once. ;)
There will be none.Every microphone has different  frequency range and different sensitivity
The two longitudinal waves must have the same frequency and be opposite in face and equal in amplitude( magnitude) at that given point  you are at, to cancel
itself, but the effect will be valid only for  the particular point  the observer is at.
When you or your microphone  moves  left right you and your microphone will not hear cancellation .

If you have two different frequencies of longitudinal wave  you'll not  be able to  mix them together  unless you receive the tones and in form of electrical signal
 mix them in  mixer.
You can't base on  article in Russian  language  as it was written by an analphebet (illiterate.) person in physics.
The Russian made his own comments to  this  article:
 BackDoor: Making Microphones Hear Inaudible Sounds Nirupam Roy, Haitham Hassanieh, Romit Roy Choudhury University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
https://nsr.cse.buffalo.edu/mobisys_2017/papers/pdfs/mobisys17-paper01.pdf
and everything is explained in it:
I'm reading it now . If I  find anything wrong in it I'll definitely note it here.


Wesley
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« Reply #3522 on: November 21, 2021, 02:04:12 AM »
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my notes to the article :
BackDoor: Making Microphones Hear Inaudible Sounds Nirupam Roy, Haitham Hassanieh, Romit Roy Choudhury University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
https://nsr.cse.buffalo.edu/mobisys_2017/papers/pdfs/mobisys17-paper01.pdf

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The diaphragm of the microphone should exhibit some sensitivity
at the high-end frequencies (> 30kHz). If the diaphragm
does not vibrate at such frequencies, there is no opportunity for non-linear mixing of signals.
(3.1 Measurements and Validation page#4)
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The second order coefficient A2 needs to be adequately high to achieve a
meaningful signal-to-noise ratio
(3.1 Measurements and Validation page#4)
A1 or A2..3..4 is a complex gain that can change the phase and/or
amplitude of the input frequencies,
(Linear and Non-linear Behavior page#4)
Note: You may need to connect microphone to your spectrum analyzer using separating capacitor for DC Power supply  elimination.
if you  put DC  to input of spectrum analyzer than your instrument  gets damaged.
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Note: 1st order, 2nd order,3rd order are the harmonics.
(Figure 5: (a)The intermodulation distortion of signal (b) Harmonic distortion. page 5)
Note:
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Thus far, the shadow signal is a trivial tone carrying one-bit of information (presence of absence).
(4.1 Communication page 5)
Conclusion :So they are talking  about a "shadow" seen at digital output.-  not in physical XYZ space.
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our actual goal is to modulate the
high frequency signals at the speaker and demodulate the
shadow at the microphone to achieve meaningful data rates
(4.1 Communication page 5)

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any modulation that generates waveforms
with non-constant envelopes [45] is likely to suffer this problem.
Note: AM modulation is not applicable due to severe problems.
(Failure of Amplitude Modulation (AM) page 5, look also at Figure 7  )
Ok I'm giving up for today - the rest of the article is easy to understand.
Wesley

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3523 on: November 21, 2021, 06:57:49 AM »
I used two dynamic heads, type 6gdv.
The frequency was fed to one 20 kHz, to the second 21 kHz.
Sound was received by the device ВШВ003
For some reason, I did not hear a sound at 1 kHz.
Технические характеристики ВШВ-003-М2:

Частототный диапазон, Гц 2 – 18000 = 18kHz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Динамический диапазон, дБ 22 – 140
Частотные корректоры A, B, C, Lin
Временные характеристики Slow, Fast, 10c
Класс точности 1,0  class 1
Октавные фильтры со среднегеометрическими частотами, Гц 1 – 8000
Питание сетевое и автономноеМасса, кг 5,5.
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Few Questions:
How come you made measurement  with the device that goes max to 18kHz?
How did you fed  2 signals at the same time  with two
 two dynamic heads, type 6gdv. into instrument that has only  one  probe input?
http://www.tehno.com/product.phtml?uid=B00120039561
objections and problems:
-20 kHz and
21 kHz is out of range of this instrument.



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Sound was received by the device ВШВ003
again this device when belongs to group of  class 0 or class 1 has limit of frequency  maximum to 18kHz.
https://www.prostanki.com/board/item/73931
Технические характеристики ВШВ-003-М3:
Частототный диапазон, Гц 2 – 18000kHz
Динамический диапазон, дБ 22 – 140
Частотные корректоры A, B, C, Lin
Временные характеристики Slow, Fast, 10c
Класс точности 1,0
Октавные фильтры со среднегеометрическими частотами, Гц 1 – 8000
Питание сетевое и автономноеМасса, кг 5,5.


objections and problems:
-20 kHz and
21 kHz is out of range of this instrument.
Wesley
« Last Edit: November 21, 2021, 01:09:51 PM by stivep »

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Re: Wesley's Kapanadze and other FE discussion forum
« Reply #3524 on: November 21, 2021, 08:25:14 AM »
No, no lie, it was a joke. :D
I thought an alcoholic was resting under your table ...
I am a man with humor, without which it is unbearable to live in this country. ;D

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Частототный диапазон, Гц 2 – 18000 = 18kHz !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes you are right. I studied the documentation poorly.
I have had it for ten years, and have not really studied it.
ok, we will continue to work. :)
True, I lowered the frequency to 16 kHz later(I don't hear that either), but the difference frequency beats were not apeared as well.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2021, 11:51:00 AM by kolbacict »